coleman may be one of the most overrated mr. olympia's of all time.
ronnie coleman's competition was a fucking joke. and he still didnt dominate in any way yates did vs the highest competition in the history of bodybuilding.
competition determines how great you truly are.
if jerry rice played in the CFL and set even more records than he did in the NFL, would he still be considered the greatest reciever of all time? of course not, look who he played against if he remained in the CFL.
same thing with division 2 and 3 players. they can set every NCAA record, but will still get taken behind a division 1 player in the draft despite lesser numbers. the reason? competition. its easier for them.
travis fulton has 172 career wins in his MMA career. chuck liddel only has 19. who's the better fighter?
all of chuck's wins are against the best fighters in the world, where as travis is probably fighting guys like pumpster.
despite many less wins, chuck is considered by far the better fighter, due TO HIS COMPETITION.
we all have our opinions on what physique's we like and dont like and why. that's why there are many opinions and interpretations are various pics and video clips. its subjective.
but one thing is clear regardless of whether you admire big freaky white guys or have some fetish with large black muscular men:
dorian yates dominated the most competitive era in professional bodybuilding history. he beat better guys than coleman in a more convincing fashion. coleman competed against bbers that would be lucky to finish in the top 10 if they competed in the 90's. (save cutler).
dorian got 5 perfect scores out of 6 Olympias against the highest level of competition in the history of bodybuilding.
ronnie got 4 perfect scores out of 8 Olympias against much lesser competition than anything close to dorian.
the only year dorian did not get a perfect score was in 94 when he tore his biceps 8 weeks before the show and his training was severly comprised.
what was coleman's excuse for only getting 4 perfect scores out of 8 tries? when he got injured, look at what happened this year.
dorian had no guru. look at coleman before he hooked up with chad. who knows what chad had him doing. what if dorian worked with a guru or chad or used plasma expanders.
dorian's main competition: kevin levrone, flex wheeler, nasser el sonbaty, shawn ray, paul dillet
ronnie's main competition: jay cutler
that pretty much sums it up. i believe this thread is over.
I've basically said everything you've said throughout this thread ! Ronnie only got perfect scores in
three out of his eight Mr Olympia wins 1999 . 2000 and 2003. There is this myth that Ronnie Coleman is untouchable and I guess most of these they bought into the hype from Muscular Development but the facts are Ronnie Coleman was a very beatable bodybuilder and a lucky one
1998 he won by just 3 points , 2001 he won by just 4 points , 2002 won by just 9 points , 2004 won by just 3 points these are among the closest Mr Olympia contests in the history of the sport , 3 very close contests in which Ronnie could have easily lost
2002 Show of Strenght the only guy to lose a show while Mr Olympia since Sergio to Arnold at the 1970 Mr World
2005 Mr Olympia loses the challenge round to Gustavo Badell , judged by past Mr Olympia winners
2006 Mr Olympia loses convincingly to Jay Cutler
2006 European Tour loses three shows in a row
Ronnie has entered 65 professional bodybuilding competitions and won 26 of them thats a win/lose percentage of just 40% not very dominanting
compare that to Dorian Yates who entered 17 contests and won 15 of them that an 88% win/lose percentage his only two loses were both second place in such a subjective sport as bodybuilding that record is INSANE
Almost every one of Dorian's Mr Olympia wins are with straight firsts in ALL ROUNDS with the exception of 1994 which I believe he he didn't have a perfect score in one of the posing rounds , Dorian
dominanted among the highest caliber of competition of all times
And Hulkster's response to these
facts & figures ( which he hates because he can't counter lol ) is thats is exactly the reason why Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time LMMFAO he is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time because he was so great and dominating , can you fucking-believe this logic?
Another insight into the warped logic of Hulkster is creating controversy where there was none , he actually claimed the 1994 Mr Olympia was one of the most controvercial since 1980 , despite the
facts despite it wasn't close on the judges scorecards , the second place winner Shawn Ray said " tonight I feel I got the place I deserved . " and Shawn who was lucky to place second in this contest because after the prejudging he was actually
trailing behind Kevin Levrone by
6 points and only squeeked out a very close second place to Levrone with the posing rounds , nevermind he was lucky to be second nevermind first
Hulkster also suggested that Dorian Yates should have lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex Wheeler !! this is the type of person we're dealing with lol Flex who was off due to peaking to many times in 1993 conceeded that he was lucky to place second above Shawn Ray , how long before Hulkster claims Dorian Shawn Ray should have won the 1993 Mr Olympia ? mind you 1993 was probably the most dominating display of a bodybuilder of any show , the judges didn't even need to include Dorian in the muscularity round and they only called him out with Flex and Shawn to please the crowd !! thats unheard of even to this day
You can claim 2003 was a very dominating win but who did he dominant? a flat Jay Cutler and a small Dexter Jackson? WoW
you take a look at the depth of the deild in 1993 and the quality
Hulkster and pumpster are both clueless they have extreme bias against Dorian this had become clearly evident over the course of the thread , neither now how bodybuilding contests are judged , they cling to their magical judging criteria such as ' x-frame ' and Ronnie would win because he has a better taper lol they've gone out of thier way to try ( keyword ) to reduce Dorian's greatness at all turns , reducing him down to a great lower back and calves and thats it
They just don't get it and never will , they can't look beyond their own personal preferrences , they don't understand how and why Dorian was so dominating and great , their conclusion comes to the point of madness when they claim Dorian was handpicked because he was white and didn't deserve to any of his Mr Olympia wins , this is what they're working with and this is part of the reason I don't post on this thread much anymore , I'm more than willing to listen to all side and opinions but when this is what you're working with its like ice skating up hill but thier nonsense doesn't diminish the
facts and the facts are Dorian Yates dominated the sport of professional bodybuilding in a way that still hasn't been duplicated to this day .
