Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Consciously or not, you're not completing the thought. Fine, the judging looked suspect. Now, what possible reasons can you come up with as to why that outcome happened in the face of others who were clearly more deserving, on more than one occasion? Go through it with each one and come up with viable explanations, without which you're not making a convincing case. The evidence is already incriminating, it's for you to disprove it.

No nice back peddle I'm NOT and never have claimed a fixed contest , you have and now the burden of proof lies on you to prove what you're saying and you know you can't and you're bound by your silly statements that all the above were hand picked for commercial purposes . admit that you've reached your conclusion based in personal prefference and bias and that you have no proof or shut me up and provide concrete evidence to support your claims .

[suckmymuscle]

A bodybuilder doesn't necessarily have to look his all-time best to win. He just needs to look better than his competition. This is a concept you will never understand Suckmydick. In 2001, Cutler had more definition from the front but Ronnie had more size and better shape. Ronnie destroyed Cutler from the side and back. I feel Ronnie deserved to win.

  NeoSemen, you fucking animal, try to understand this: Ronnie, in 2001, wasnot better than his competition. He looked like shit! Barely good enough to even qualify for the NPC nationals, let alone remain the standard-bearer! He lost both the muscularity&symmetry rounds and still won. This has never happened in any competition, pro or amateur. He had flat muscles, was holding water and his muscularity was at it's lowest. And the truly pathetic thing is that, even though he was only around 240 lbs, he already had some gut distension. What a disgrace! He won just because reigning standard-bearers don't lose. Game over. Try to understand that, you fucking newbie piece of dog turd!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

The sad fact that your comparing multi coloyred trunks to a banned substance that enhances your appearance (unlike the trunks) smacks of clutching to straws.

Ronnie of 2001 > dorian 1997

Unfortunatly for dorian , the competition of 97 > the competition of 2001, making his victory all the more insulting chief.

Don't ever forget the travesty that was 97 when you start talking about undeserved victories of ronnie coleman.

Yates should be nearer the lower end of the top 6 that year.

Recognise.

No I'm not comparing multi-colored trunks and props to banned substances , I'm comparing rules , Cutler ' failed ' the diuretics test but the test wasn't done in an IOC lab so he threatened to sue and ' won ' but again why should the rules apply to Cutler and NOT Ronnie , the rules say diuretics are illegal and so are props and multi-colored trunks , so you can't have it both ways . either their both wrong or both right if you say Jay alone is wrong then you show your bias .

And again what part of I said Yates should have lost in 97 did you miss? lets entertain your theory that the judges gave this one to Yates as a going away present , why would they give him straight firsts ? if anything that would give him insentive to come back for more seeing how he can come in looking like garbage and still win !! if that was the case they could have given him a very narrow victory and clearly sent the message that hey this is the last time we can carry you .

recogniZe
 

[suckmymuscle]

So let me get this straight. Dorian shows up in 97 looking appalling, the epitome of everything wrong in this sport, looking facially 20 years older than he actually is, torn muscles everywhere, completely abhorrent, yet the judges score him straight firsts in every category and you don't think the scoring/judging system was wrong on this.

Moreover, by virtue of him scoring straight firsts, this qualifies him for looking better than ronnie in 2001?

97 easily surpasses 2001 for mockery. It was year when the worst looking physique this side of jp fux was awarded the title of Mr Olympia.

I suppose "dorians torn bicep, triceps and quads didnt detract anything from his awesome physique".

Pure codswallop.

Read between the lines: "Dorian you are mr olympia. (This is the last time we'll let you win this looking like you do. Now do the sport a favour and f**k off)"

A travesty.

2001 isnt even close, if you judge it by photos and videos instead of insisting on dredging up facts and figures rendered moot by the judging system that awarded them.

I couldnt give a rats ass if ronnie was trailing cutler and it was "unheard of in the sport". Cutler couldnt even pass the diuretic test so even if he'd won he would of lost.

  Wrong, moron. Dorian was at his worst at the 1997 Olympia, granted. But he was still so far ahead of everyone else when it came to fullness nd density that it was no contest. I would acept if Dorian lost that ontest, because a distended gut should not be acceptable in a Mr.Olympia. Yet, he still had a clearly visible six-pack, separated serratus and was as conditioned as ever. He won all, and I mean all the mandatories. And he got straight-firsts scores from all the judges! Ronnie in 2001 barely won; actully he won purely due to protocol. Dorian in 1997 was worse than Ronnie in 2001? Hell no!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[sculpture]

No I'm not comparing multi-colored trunks and props to banned substances , I'm comparing rules , Cutler ' failed ' the diuretics test but the test wasn't done in an IOC lab so he threatened to sue and ' won ' but again why should the rules apply to Cutler and NOT Ronnie , the rules say diuretics are illegal and so are props and multi-colored trunks , so you can't have it both ways . either their both wrong or both right if you say Jay alone is wrong then you show your bias .

And again what part of I said Yates should have lost in 97 did you miss? lets entertain your theory that the judges gave this one to Yates as a going away present , why would they give him straight firsts ? if anything that would give him insentive to come back for more seeing how he can come in looking like garbage and still win !! if that was the case they could have given him a very narrow victory and clearly sent the message that hey this is the last time we can carry you .

recogniZe
 

Hmmm. Yes just why would they award him straight firsts.

Oh i know, an utterly flawed system of judging that you feel free to use in your arguments when it suits you, yet as pumpsters states, you repeatedly ignore other challenges.

The judging clearly sucked in both 97 and 2001, but the point is in 97 it was even worse.

The difference is, despite ronnies poor condition relative to his competition he still deserved to win and was ultimately awarded victory. Dorian on the other hand did not by any stretch of the imagination (even yours nd).

The visual evidence is there for all to see.

In terms of undeserved victories, 97 rivals 1980 and 81, all black spots in the history of sport.

[sculpture]

 NeoSemen, you fucking animal, try to understand this: Ronnie, in 2001, wasnot better than his competition. He looked like shit! Barely good enough to even qualify for the NPC nationals, let alone remain the standard-bearer! He lost both the muscularity&symmetry rounds and still won. This has never happened in any competition, pro or amateur. He had flat muscles, was holding water and his muscularity was at it's lowest. And the truly pathetic thing is that, even though he was only around 240 lbs, he already had some gut distension. What a disgrace! He won just because reigning standard-bearers don't lose. Game over. Try to understand that, you fucking newbie piece of dog turd!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Tell me you don't truly believe the part in bold. Not even yo could be so stupid.

And quit posting pics where dorian looks average and ronnie good.

It undermines your entire argument

I believe it was you SUCKY, who claimed dorian retired in 97 as he realized he couldnt exceed the standard of excellance he'd established.

In case some people don' t  know, heres yates and his standard in 97
Incredible
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[NarcissisticDeity]

Hmmm. Yes just why would they award him straight firsts.

Oh i know, an utterly flawed system of judging that you feel free to use in your arguments when it suits you, yet as pumpsters states, you repeatedly ignore other challenges.

The judging clearly sucked in both 97 and 2001, but the point is in 97 it was even worse.

The difference is, despite ronnies poor condition relative to his competition he still deserved to win and was ultimately awarded victory. Dorian on the other hand did not by any stretch of the imagination (even yours nd).

The visual evidence is there for all to see.

In terms of undeserved victories, 97 rivals 1980 and 81, all black spots in the history of sport.

What kind of idiotic logic is that? okay we're going to send you a message that this is the last time we're carrying you, WITH STRAIGHT FIRSTS   please and realtive to the competition 2001 was the biggest joke since 1980 Jay outclassed Ronnie period end of sentence . 1997 Nasser didn't outclass Dorian he matched Yates from the front and couldn't touch him in the side or from the back , Dorian won in 97 because he was the current Mr Olympia , he has a MUCH superior back than Nasser and he simply looked better in most of the mandatory poses .

2001/02 was among the biggest jokes in the history of bodybuilding , NO Mr Olympia loses the prejudging and wins the posing rounds thats still to this day unheard of .

[suckmymuscle]

Tell me you don't truly believe the part in bold. Not even yo could be so stupid.

And quit posting pics where dorian looks average and ronnie good.

It undermines your entire argument

I believe it was you SUCKY, who claimed dorian retired in 97 as he realized he couldnt exceed the standard of excellance he'd established.

In case some people don' t  know, heres yates and his standard in 97
Incredible
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  Retard. I've just posted three pics, from the 1997 Olympia, where Dorian is simply destroying Ronnie. And you just choose to ignore them! And yes, Ronnie was so bad in 2001, but so disgustingly bad, that who wasn't even worthy of qualifying for the NPC Nationals or the U.S.A, let alone win the Sandow. What a disgrace to bodybuilding!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[sculpture]

 Retard. I've just posted three pics, from the 1997 Olympia, where Dorian is simply destroying Ronnie. And you just choose to ignore them! And yes, Ronnie was so bad in 2001, but so disgustingly bad, that who wasn't even worthy of qualifying for the NPC Nationals or the U.S.A, let alone win the Sandow. What a disgrace to bodybuilding!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yes dorian is really destroying ronnie isnt he? Different pose (actually ronnies not even posing), different lighting.

Great comparison sucky.

No really, you exceeded yourself here pal

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser was good but he wasn't 2001 Jay Cutler good . none of these guys could match Yates from the back in 97

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nasser ( like Shawn Ray ) was NEVER going to beat Yates because he couldn't match him from the back .

[sculpture]

Nasser ( like Shawn Ray ) was NEVER going to beat Yates because he couldn't match him from the back .

Yes but yates couldnt match any of them from the front so your back argument is rendered pointless.

Oh and you shouldnt of posted that last pic; yates looks garbage

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yes but yates couldnt match any of them from the front so your back argument is rendered pointless.

Oh and you shouldnt of posted that last pic; yates looks garbage

Yates could match Nasser in the front , Yates front latspread was better than anyone else -ab-thigh I'd give to Nasser in 97 even though thats usually one of Yates strongest poses Nasser had the smaller midsection and tighter waist , but Shawn Ray was lucky be to 2nd he was NEEVER ever going to be Mr Olympia , he was too short & and to light , last Mr Olympia 5'7" 200lbs Samir Bannout in 83 so it was just a case of bad timming for Ray .

And Yates does look like garbage in 97 compared to his best but he wasn't going to get beat by Nasser for the same reason why Dillett couldn't close the deal , conditioning & back .

[sculpture]

Apart from dillet, all the men in the top six are more complete than yates. Dillet (no back), yates (no arms, at all).

Height shouldnt have been an issue. Ray, levrone (who looks incredible in these black and whites) and nasser all soundly trounce yates i'm afraid.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Apart from dillet, all the men in the top six are more complete than yates. Dillet (no back), yates (no arms, at all).

Height shouldnt have been an issue. Ray, levrone (who looks incredible in these black and whites) and nasser all soundly trounce yates i'm afraid.

Height shouldn't play a role but it does , so we can bitch about that all we want its not going to change the fact that a big good man will always beat a good small man .

The top 6 were more complete? Nasser wasn't he was missing a complete back . Shawn was more complete but he was a tad to heavy and his conditioning wasn't on par with Dorian and he's not going to win being 65lbs lighter it was never going to happen . Levrone was to heavier and realtively soft , Dillett no back , Preist no back and too short and light. none of the top six was as dry as Yates he had advantages the others did NOT I personally think its a joke that the best built man on the planet as a gut and I feel that should be an automatic failure but he had the above mentioned advantages plus he was the regining Mr Olympia .

[NeoSeminole]

NeoSemen, you fucking animal, try to understand this: Ronnie, in 2001, wasnot better than his competition. He looked like shit! Barely good enough to even qualify for the NPC nationals, let alone remain the standard-bearer! He lost both the muscularity&symmetry rounds and still won. This has never happened in any competition, pro or amateur. He had flat muscles, was holding water and his muscularity was at it's lowest. And the truly pathetic thing is that, even though he was only around 240 lbs, he already had some gut distension. What a disgrace! He won just because reigning standard-bearers don't lose. Game over. Try to understand that, you fucking newbie piece of dog turd!

I seriously hope you are kidding and not that f*cking retarded. You claim Ronnie looked like shit at the 2001 Mr. Olympia yet he looked just as good, if not better, than 2nd place Jay Cutler.

[RUDE BUOY]

hulkster just take the dam turce

[Bear]

He just needs to look better than his competition? Hmmmmm Jay won both the muscularity & symmetry rounds so Ronnie according to the judges he didn't look better than his competition , like Shawn Ray said in his commentary NO Mr Olympia trailed by 6 points going into the nightshow and then won its unheard of. this was mentioned before and I'm not sure if its true thats Ronnie was allowed to pose for 10 minutes and Jay just 4 and Ronnie used a prop which is against I.F.B.B. rules .

ooh a prop, that must mean he wasn't bigger with better shape than Fridge Jawler?!?! lol, Jay is awesome but ronnie is awesomer. Look at the damn pics. Ronnie just has too much around the chest/shoulders and BACK for Jay. I know he's watery, but that's not an instant loss for coleman. Jay win relaxed and abs and thigh. That's it. Prop shmop. Jay apparently may have taken steroids for that show too, isn't that cheating?   

[Bear]

 Retard. I've just posted three pics, from the 1997 Olympia, where Dorian is simply destroying Ronnie. And you just choose to ignore them! And yes, Ronnie was so bad in 2001, but so disgustingly bad, that who wasn't even worthy of qualifying for the NPC Nationals or the U.S.A, let alone win the Sandow. What a disgrace to bodybuilding!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Haha, you're seriously undoing any credibility you have, were you drunk when you wrote this tripe?

[Hulkster]

I seriously hope you are kidding and not that f*cking retarded. You claim Ronnie looked like shit at the 2001 Mr. Olympia yet he looked just as good, if not better, than 2nd place Jay Cutler.

How ND can claim that Ronnie/Jay was a travesty and then at the same time say that 1994 was okay is unreal.

[NarcissisticDeity]

How ND can claim that Ronnie/Jay was a travesty and then at the same time say that 1994 was okay is unreal.

You know exactly why seeing I provided ample proof . look I'm not saying 2001 was fixed I don't believe that at all , but it's unheard of that a guy loses both the symmetry & muscularity rounds and wins the contest , Ronnie was an extremly lucky guy . and seriously even on the score cards 94 wasn't even close as this not by a long shot , I believe Dorian won both the symmetry & muscularity rounds with perfect scores and he didn't win the posing round with a perfect score but in all honesty it wasn't close Hulkster .

[Hulkster]

Haney lost the muscularity round to dorian in 1991.

if he had lost the symmetry round as well to dorian but still won, you would have had no problem.

you don't like Ronnie.

its that simple.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Haney lost the muscularity round to dorian in 1991.

if he had lost the symmetry round as well to dorian but still won, you would have had no problem.

you don't like Ronnie.

its that simple.

Haney lost the muscularity round yet won the symmetry round and both posing rounds big difference . Ronnie didn't deserve to beat Jay Cutler that night it has nothing to do with me disliking him . was Shawn the better overall package in 94? probably but the old adatage is you can't beat the champ on points you must knock him out , he was lucky if he was 205lbs in 94 no way on the planet he was going to beat Dorian who had a full 60 pounds on him . Shawn was born in the wrong era if he was in the late 70s he would have flurished he wasn't , I remember him claiming he was going to beat Haney , he was never going to beat a heavier/taller guy .

[alexxx]

One more post and I'll DELETE this thread!

[Shockwave]

Bump.