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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18900 on: January 03, 2007, 01:59:40 PM »
There is a difference between those pictures VS the screencaps but there is a difference between the screencaps you posted and the screencaps someone else posted , there is the problem.

I took my screencaps from page 479.

they are there for all to see.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18901 on: January 03, 2007, 02:08:02 PM »
I took my screencaps from page 479.

they are there for all to see.

I had the same ones and now they're not there any more the original link is dead  , but alas there is a noticeable difference in the two screencaps NOT screencaps vs pictures

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« Reply #18902 on: January 03, 2007, 02:11:03 PM »
yes but the difference is in colour ONLY.

not detail or apparent hardness.

for example, even though the pic is small, look at the rear lat spread.

it is exactly the same as this one:

only smaller
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« Reply #18903 on: January 03, 2007, 02:30:17 PM »
Again, terrible analogy. Most of the calves mass is visible from the back, while this is not true for the inner and medial triceps head. It's very simple, really.

my god, you are so f*cking dumb. Do you not remember your own argument? You asked me to give you one example of a bodybuilder with a worse back who beat another in a rear pose b/c of his triceps long heads, as if to suggest this is proof the triceps don't matter from the back. Here is your exact quote.

Ha ha ha ha ha... I'm still waiting for you to give me a single example of a bodybuilder who had a worst back, yet won the rear lat spread on virtue of having the better triceps.

According to YOUR logic, the calves don't matter either. Show me one bodybuilder who beat another that was better except for the calves. Afterall, they can be seen from every angle unlike the triceps which can only been seen in certain poses.

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But this is not relevant. Why? Because the issue here is not visibility of the muscle, but what is shown of it. The front double biceps shows the inner and medial triceps head and the biceps to full effect, while, in the rear lat spread, only the back part of the long head of the triceps is visible. Is this so hard for you to understand, retard? The poin here is that looking at the inner and meidal triceps head from the back is like looking at the biceps from the top: most of the mass is concealed.

oh it's plenty relevant b/c there's no sense arguing anatomy with you. It's obvious you don't know what the hell you are talking about.
 
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No, completely wrong. The issue here is not size, but angle. In the front double biceps, the biceps are visible to full effect, while this is not true when it comes to the triceps in the rear la spread. First of all, it's not true that the biceps and the triceps are of equal size: everyone knows that the triceps has more overral mass. Secondly, even if they had the same size, it would still be irrelevant, because looking at the triceps from the back is akin to looking at the biceps from the top.

The issue of size and angle are not mutually exclusive in this instance. Both poses display each muscle head better than any other pose, yet both heads are equivalent in terms of size. Furthermore, I never said the biceps are the same size as the triceps. If you bothered to read the rest of my comment rather than jump to conclusions, you would know I was talking about the triceps long head and biceps medial head.

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That's the key word: convincing. Your pics have been anything but convincing. You post pics of Ronnie when he's sucking his gut in and then claim he has no distension. You post pics of Ronnie doing the abdominals-and-thighs, where hois gut is visible even from the front, and you claim that his midsection is ggreat and "under control"(your words).

we've already discussed this before. No shit Ronnie sucks in his gut when he hits a pose. Almost every bodybuilder does, you moron. Even the great Dorian Yates pulled in his midsection right before he flexed.









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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...NeoSperm...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...ok. There isn't a single striation on any of the Ronnie pics you've posted, so you've made a fool out of yourself. Not only were Dorian's triceps more striated, but Dorian had a longer triceps head, with greater hardness. Ronnie could never match these.

I really hope you are joking b/c our discussion was about who's triceps were more striated - not who looked better in the side triceps. Dorian's triceps look smooth as a baby's ass in all those pics you posted. :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18904 on: January 03, 2007, 03:43:35 PM »
wtf, how were those comparisons slanted?

how am I backpeddling if I still stand by what I said earlier? Usually, the term "backpeddling" is applied when someone realizes they are wrong and tries to change their argument without being caught (e.g. Suckmyasshole).

The difference between 98 and 99 Ronnie was less than 10 lbs. Ronnie was bigger in 99, but he wasn't THAT much bigger. It's not like he was 30 or even 20 lbs heavier. I compared pics from 98 and 01 ASC to show that Ronnie was noticably bigger in 01. Hence, he was very close, if not the same size, as he was in 99. The difference in size would be negligable.

Your original claim was he was just as big in 01 as 99 and just as dry as 98 , now while he may have been just as hard as 98 he is NOT just as big as 99 thats nonsense he was 244 pounds in 01 and a very full 257 pounds in 99 thats a 13 pound weight difference thats not slight and lets go with he was 247 pounds in 01 thats still a very noticeable 10 pound weight difference either way you're wrong about him being bigger and even being close to 99 .

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« Reply #18905 on: January 03, 2007, 04:29:57 PM »
Your original claim was he was just as big in 01 as 99 and just as dry as 98 , now while he may have been just as hard as 98 he is NOT just as big as 99 thats nonsense he was 244 pounds in 01 and a very full 257 pounds in 99 thats a 13 pound weight difference thats not slight and lets go with he was 247 pounds in 01 thats still a very noticeable 10 pound weight difference either way you're wrong about him being bigger and even being close to 99 .

you can't rely on numbers because different sources give different figures.

for example, the ironman mag with the 2001 AC coverage lists Ronnie's weight at 250 even, even mentioning that he "trimmed 13 pounds from his olympia weight of 263 en route to this title".

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18906 on: January 03, 2007, 04:32:59 PM »
is it just me or does 01 ASC Ronnie look just as big as 99?












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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18907 on: January 03, 2007, 04:41:09 PM »
you can't rely on numbers because different sources give different figures.

for example, the ironman mag with the 2001 AC coverage lists Ronnie's weight at 250 even, even mentioning that he "trimmed 13 pounds from his olympia weight of 263 en route to this title".



Sure we can ONLY rely on the the numbers when they agree with your argument  ::) go away and come back with something of value

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18908 on: January 03, 2007, 04:45:11 PM »
Sure we can ONLY rely on the the numbers when they agree with your argument  ::) go away and come back with something of value

what argument?

I am not making an argument.

I am just stating the figure as listed. ::)

you place way to much emphasis on quotes and numbers and not enough on REALITY of onstage competition.

Does the 2001 AC Ronnie look small?

hell no:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18909 on: January 03, 2007, 04:45:33 PM »
is it just me or does 01 ASC Ronnie look just as big as 99?


No way Ronnie is a LOT bigger 99

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18910 on: January 03, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »
what argument?

I am not making an argument.

I am just stating the figure as listed. ::)

you place way to much emphasis on quotes and numbers and not enough on REALITY of onstage competition.

Does the 2001 AC Ronnie look small?

hell no:



Ronnie 2001 ASC does look small especially compared to 99 Olympia , and I take everything in to consideration , consider how Titus is NOT being dwarfed by Ronnie , notice how small Ronnie's quads are ? Titus is comparable and James' quads are bigger , Ronnie was small relatively speaking , hell Chris is bigger albiet softer but still bigger

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18911 on: January 03, 2007, 05:12:42 PM »
Ronnie was a LOT fucking bigger in 99

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18912 on: January 03, 2007, 05:30:22 PM »
More ownage by ND.

Ronnie cannot match any of these pictures of Yates.


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« Reply #18913 on: January 03, 2007, 05:42:14 PM »
Ronnie was a LOT fucking bigger in 99



yes, Ronnie looked "a LOT" bigger in 99. ::)


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« Reply #18914 on: January 03, 2007, 05:45:17 PM »
Ronnie cannot match any of these pictures of Yates.

maybe not the side triceps and abs-and-thighs, but Ronnie matches or exceeds Dorian in the front double biceps, front lat spread, side chest, rear double biceps, rear lat spread, and most muscular. ;)

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« Reply #18915 on: January 03, 2007, 05:45:47 PM »
yes, Ronnie looked "a LOT" bigger in 99. ::)



247 at the AC compared to 257 at the 99O. What are you trying to say?

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« Reply #18916 on: January 03, 2007, 05:49:17 PM »
check out how shredded and dry Ronnie was at the 01 ASC. Not only can you see the separation in his delts, but you can also see the individual muscle fibers.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18917 on: January 03, 2007, 05:50:08 PM »
maybe not the side triceps and abs-and-thighs, but Ronnie matches or exceeds Dorian in the front double biceps, front lat spread, side chest, rear double biceps, rear lat spread, and most muscular. ;)

Eh, I disagree.

Side triceps - Yates
Ab/Thigh - Yates
Front DBL - Coleman
Front Lat - Yates (best front lat of all-times IMO)
Side Chest - Coleman
Rear DBL - Yates (top to bottom balance, and hardness and separation coleman lacks)
Rear Lat - Again Yates by virtue of his superior latissimus, rear delts, calves, and posing
Most Muscular - Coleman

I have it 5 to 3 in favor of Yates, although I could understand if the judges went in favor of Coleman. It would not be a blowout on either side ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18918 on: January 03, 2007, 05:53:00 PM »
yes, Ronnie looked "a LOT" bigger in 99. ::)



Are you shitting me? are we looking at the same pics? Ronnie 99 was bigger period.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18919 on: January 03, 2007, 05:55:38 PM »
Eh, I disagree.

Side triceps - Yates
Ab/Thigh - Yates
Front DBL - Coleman
Front Lat - Yates (best front lat of all-times IMO)
Side Chest - Coleman
Rear DBL - Yates (top to bottom balance, and hardness and separation coleman lacks)
Rear Lat - Again Yates by virtue of his superior latissimus, rear delts, calves, and posing
Most Muscular - Coleman

I have it 5 to 3 in favor of Yates, although I could understand if the judges went in favor of Coleman. It would not be a blowout on either side ;)

Side chest Yates all the way without question , Ronnie's side chest is lacking in balance his rib cage isn't as deep as Dorian's and his front & side delts are so overdeveloped they obscure his pecs and his calves suck as well

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« Reply #18920 on: January 03, 2007, 05:57:32 PM »
here's how I see it.

front double biceps - Ronnie (better arms, quads, and taper)
front lat spread - Ronnie (better arms, pecs, and quads)
side chest - Ronnie (better delts, pecs, arms, and side leg)
rear double biceps - tie (personal preference)
rear lat spread - tie (personal preference)
side triceps - Dorian (Ronnie can't hit this pose worth a shit)
most muscular - Ronnie (better separations and striations from head to toe)
abs-and-thighs - Dorian (better midsection)

Ronnie wins 4 out of the 8 mandatories and ties in 2 of them. This leaves Dorian with only 2 out of the 8 mandatories.

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« Reply #18921 on: January 03, 2007, 06:02:20 PM »
here's how I see it.

front double biceps - Ronnie (better arms, quads, and taper)
front lat spread - Ronnie (better arms, pecs, and quads)
side chest - Ronnie (better delts, pecs, arms, and side leg)
rear double biceps - tie (personal prefernce)
rear lat spread - tie (personal preference)
side triceps - Dorian (Ronnie can't hit this pose worth a shit)
most muscular - Ronnie (better separations and striations from head to toe)
abs-and-thighs - Dorian (better midsection)

Ronnie wins 4 out of the 8 mandatories and ties in 2 of them. This leaves Dorian with only 2 out of the 8 mandatories.

You pic out parts and come to the conclusion these parts make a better whole? not quite , this is how it unfolds according to the Official IFBB judging criteria

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Ronnie can't hang with Dorian in ANY mandatory in terms of balanced development , bulk depending on the year is a push , density? Yates ! and definition is conditioning and Yates has an edge depending on the year if its Ronnie 98 push but Yates has the edge in bulk , density and balanced development , Ronnie 99 Yates has the edge in conditioning , density and balanced development , Ronnie 01 ASC , Yates has the edge in bulk , density and balanced development , push on conditioning

Yates simply meets the criteria better , you can pick apart bodyparts all you like Yates has a better whole.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18922 on: January 03, 2007, 06:04:22 PM »
You pic out parts and come to the conclusion these parts make a better whole? not quite , this is how it unfolds according to the Official IFBB judging criteria

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.


Ronnie can't hang with Dorian in ANY mandatory in terms of balanced development , bulk depending on the year is a push , density? Yates ! and definition is conditioning and Yates has an edge depending on the year if its Ronnie 98 push but Yates has the edge in bulk , density and balanced development , Ronnie 99 Yates has the edge in conditioning , density and balanced development , Ronnie 01 ASC , Yates has the edge in bulk , density and balanced development , push on conditioning

Yates simply meets the criteria better , you can pick apart bodyparts all you like Yates has a better whole.

great post !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18923 on: January 03, 2007, 06:05:01 PM »
Side chest Yates all the way without question , Ronnie's side chest is lacking in balance his rib cage isn't as deep as Dorian's and his front & side delts are so overdeveloped they obscure his pecs and his calves suck as well

why the f*ck are you comparing Ronnie from one of his worst contests to offseason Dorian?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #18924 on: January 03, 2007, 06:07:34 PM »
why the f*ck are you comparing Ronnie from one of his worst contests to offseason Dorian?

its done because I needed a great shot of Dorian's side chest and of Ronnies , I'm NOT comparing conditioning , just balance & proportion to pinpoint Ronnie's lack there of in this pose.