Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

but what you guys never pick up on is that there is a HUGE difference between 1994 and 2001.

in 1994, Dorian didn't even have his ace in the hole (his back) because that night at least, both Kevin AND Shawn had better back double bi shots than dorian did that night. You can see it in the video and in the pics. Dorian was the widest, but his back double bi in 94 was pretty awful compared to his 93 best. Even Musclemag specifically commented on how good shawn's back double bi shot was compared to Dorian's that night. In fact, they commented that other than the thickness in the middle back, Shawn owned dorian in every other area. LOL

in 2001, Jay was dominated from the back. Watch the video. It was not even close from the back. Hell, there is a thread posted here a week or two ago and most people felt that after watching the video that it was JAY not Ronnie who got the Gift...

LOL can't wait to here the excuses for these ones..

so what if dorian's back wasnt as good as before.  he was still just as hard and dryer than shawn, not to mention 50 lbs. bigger.

meanwhile, jay and ronnie were virtually the same size/weight.

more delusions from the worst guy ever.

and everyone thought glenrrr was bad.

[NarcissisticDeity]

but what you guys never pick up on is that there is a HUGE difference between 1994 and 2001.

in 1994, Dorian didn't even have his ace in the hole (his back) because that night at least, both Kevin AND Shawn had better back double bi shots than dorian did that night. You can see it in the video and in the pics. Dorian was the widest, but his back double bi in 94 was pretty awful compared to his 93 best. Even Musclemag specifically commented on how good shawn's back double bi shot was compared to Dorian's that night. In fact, they commented that other than the thickness in the middle back, Shawn owned dorian in every other area. LOL

in 2001, Jay was dominated from the back. Watch the video. It was not even close from the back. Hell, there is a thread posted here a week or two ago and most people felt that after watching the video that it was JAY not Ronnie who got the Gift...

LOL can't wait to here the excuses for these ones..

Seriously when you type I just can't believe the words I am seeing , no honestly I don't mean this this as a joke I seriously couldn't believe you typed he didn't have his ace-in-the-hole he most certainly did , his back was insane as usual and you came to this conclusion because YOU think Kevin & Shawn had a better back double biceps shot lmfao Shawn & Kevin don't compare to Dorian in the back department ( then again who does? ) Shawn owned Dorian with the exception of middle thickness , just from a back standpoint Shawn lacks width , thickness on par with Yates , density and depth he matches Yates on detail and crisp muscularity but as a whole Shawn's back double biceps lagged behind Yates in terms of muscular bulk Dorian was 262 pounds and Shawn 205 thats an almost 60 pound size advantage for Dorian thats a massive  ( no pun ) deficit to overcome right off  off the bat , couple that with Dorian's density and greater width and its laughable , from an aesthetics standpoint Shawn man have looked better but from a criterion standpoint the judges picked who satisfied the criteria better


2001 Mr Olympia Ronnie most certainly DID NOT dominate Jay from the back this is a delusion that is easily corrected by the judges scorecards Jay actually DOMINATED Ronnie from the back , from the sides , from the front as well , Jay won BOTH the symmetry & muscularity rounds , how does one ' dominate ' from the back while losing both rounds ( see oxymoron ) structurally and aesthetically Ronnie may have looked better in the back shots compared to Jay but he wasn't from a from a conditioned size prospective

Whats the sense in have a better taper ( which you think is a trump card ) and a better structure if your conditioning sucks? Jay " beat " Ronnie in that contest because A) Ronnie was off and B) Jay was nearly the same size with slightly better conditioning ! 9 times out of 10 Ronnie is better than Jay this time he wasn't the judges can only judge what shows up on the day of the show and Ronnie showed up looking way off and paid for it almost by losing the title

1994 was NO contest Shawn himself said the say of the contest " I feel I got the place I deserved " years later he recanted ( see bitterness ) whats was Shawn's complaints about Dorian's physique? a torn bicep , a bloated gut and his color was off LMFAO no where did he say Dorian was out of shape , or he was down in size or he lacked density , but make NO mistake Dorian was off especially compared to 1993

Dorian said he was fighting a stomach bug hence why the gut was bloated at the prejudging , I tend to get weary of this excuse but he tightened things up at the night show so this may be true , Dorian's color was off , I read it was because he still had visible bruising and the try to cover it up and it didn't work out the way the planed , another problem rectified ( some what ) at the night show , and his bicep was torn true to quote a judge in attendance " Dorian had a small injury that as far as I'm concerned my NO difference what so ever "

See unlike Ronnie Dorian didn't injur his best muscle ( back and arm ) he injured a muscle that wasn't his strongest anyway so the impact was little , the bicep only effected one shot and thats the front double biceps shot and thats it , 1994 was NO contest 2001 was Dorian was still huge , dry and dense and Shawn was to small and sharp as hell , he was lucky to get second because there was a fierce battle for second & third and Shawn just barely beat Kevin for it and these are facts my friend not fantasy

[NarcissisticDeity]

the problem with your retarded analogy is that the majority of the bodybuilding community are just as qualified and knowledgable in assessing phyiques as the judges are.

there nothing special about the judging panel. They don't have a third eye or a 6th sense or anything..

they just happen to sit on a panel.

you or I could do it just as well.

everyone knows this and has been saying this since, what about 1980 when Arnold won in highly contraversial fashion?

Wow just when I really , really don't think you could type anything more fucking stupid lol you post away and I always have the same recaction , laughter lol this statement is truly indicative of your monumental ignorance of how things work lol the fact that you think its so simple is mindblowing and the fact that you think you're just as good as they are , how can this be? you don't even know the process , you didn't and still don't know the criteria , you didn't know that don't even get paid , or how contests are broken down

the fact you've said that Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder ever or he should have lost to Flex in 1993 and Ronnie has better balance & proportion clearly shows you are fucking-hopeless in terms of physique analysis

let me teach you ( once again ) about judging , judges aren't some guy they pick off the street , especially Olympia level judges , judges on the Olympia level are all judges who have been judging for years and have been chosen for their consistency and fairness and proven track record , a judge must first start out on the Amateur level a lot of them are former competitors and know exactly what the competitors are going through , after they've proven themselves on the NPC circuit they are recruited for smaller Professional shows and after years of this they are moved to the Olympia level , judges are chosen for consistency if a majority of the judges score a contest a certain way and one consistently doesn't he's removed from judging because he's judging based on his personal preferences and bias compared to the others who have satisfied the criteria , and the judges are trained as well they have judging seminars every so often , and NO they are NO paid by Uncle Joe as you claimed

It takes years of training to learn how to critique the competitive bodybuilder's physique , I've told this story before about how after the 1993 Mr Olympia I couldn't believe that Flex Wheeler lost , I was basing this on ignorance and personal preference I simply thought Flex is what  a Mr Olympia should look like , and I couldn't believe he was praising Dorian on top of it !! I researched and read many books about bodybuilding and I learned that Flex off condition wise and he was simply the victim of to many spring shows and had to peak over and over and while his conditioning was still excellent not on par with Dorian's and then it made sense I learn to separate my personal preference from what the judges look for and the criteria , something you can't do obviously

I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about physique analysis , and even as arrogant as I am I would never think I'm on par with a judge who had paid his dues for years as years , one thing is perfectly clear I know a hell of a LOT more than you , pumpster , iceman and Neoseminole thats a fact !!

[Hulkster]

lol and I suppose you think you are more knowledgable than the 95% of the bodybuilding community who feel that Ronnie at his best is far better than dorian too?

give me a break.

still waiting for those posts..

what a coward..

[Hulkster]

I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about physique analysis

too bad no one else on the internet does..lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol and I suppose you think you are more knowledgable than the 95% of the bodybuilding community who feel that Ronnie at his best is far better than dorian too?

give me a break.

still waiting for those posts..

what a coward..

Oh now it's 95%? lmfao still way to optimistic and I may not be more knowledgeable compare to most of the bodybuilding community one thing is crystal clear I'm a hell of lot more knowledgeable than you people

coward ? wow trying to back me into fighting the same battle on another front? lol you realize you're getting your fucking ass handed to you on a daily basis and can't counter my critiques on your own and you want like minded people to do your fighting for you , now who is the coward? 


I bet you're so angry I returned home lol because its been dark days ever since lol

Hulkster's gems of the week , I'm just as knowledgeable as a IFBB judge that gets paid by Uncle Joe lmmfao and Ronnie dominated from the back ...........despite losing both physique rounds lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

too bad no one else on the internet does..lol

See argument ad populum 

[Hulkster]

What I find really funny, is that you and Suckmyasshole are probably the ONLY bodybuilding fans who put the judges up on some pedestal and take every score and deciscion they make as being fully 100% accurate and fair.

thank god the rest of us are not all that stupid...

[Hulkster]

See argument ad populum 

see well supported and validated argument.

[IceCold]

lol and I suppose you think you are more knowledgable than the 95% of the bodybuilding community who feel that Ronnie at his best is far better than dorian too?

give me a break.

still waiting for those posts..

what a coward..

you still dont get it.

the internet is not the source of validation, esp. on a message board.  

like someone like yourself, refusing to believe credible sources, but instead chooses internet polls that favor your opinion.

like i mentioned earlier, you've ignored the polls i posted that were from 99-01.

to prove your bullshit theory about internet sources, pumpster is a mod in the training forum.  the clown does not even go to a a gym, what business does he have giving out training advice?

[IceCold]

What I find really funny, is that you and Suckmyasshole are probably the ONLY bodybuilding fans who put the judges up on some pedestal and take every score and deciscion they make as being fully 100% accurate and fair.

thank god the rest of us are not all that stupid...

but yet, you dont count the gifts that ronnie got.

it seems that judges dont know what their doing only when it doesnt agree with your decision.

how pathetic and your life must suck.


ps, it'll get even worse come olympia time.

[NarcissisticDeity]

What I find really funny, is that you and Suckmyasshole are probably the ONLY bodybuilding fans who put the judges up on some pedestal and take every score and deciscion they make as being fully 100% accurate and fair.

thank god the rest of us are not all that stupid...

you're hypocritical because you are ONLY against the judges concerning Dorian yet Ronnie has had more close  calls than anyone and you're quite fine with the exact same judges lol you'd never make a good judge you're to biased and inconsistent on top of ignorant and simple lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

see well supported and validated argument.

faulty and intellectually bankrupt argument , the argument from stupidity lol go run along and learn


Oh FYI the IFBB judges don't take a paycheck for their duty 

[Hulkster]

lol here is a newsflash:

ANY poll comparing 99 ronnie to 93 dorian is going to favor my opinion very heavily.

thats because most people out there are knowledgable and will favor Ronnie.

just because you guys have no clue what you are doing and are one of few delusional ones does not mean that the rest of the world is wrong.

it means that you guys are.

you are like the proverbial 10th dentist lol

[IceCold]

perfect example of hulkster and dumpsters's hypocrisy.

at first, mcgough was laughed at bc it was known about his friendship with dorian.  everything he was quoted saying was ignored claiming bias.

yet, when he PM says something positive about ronnie, iceman and neo post his quotes at least once a day.  so, now, PM is a credible source.


 

[IceCold]

lol here is a newsflash:

ANY poll comparing 99 ronnie to 93 dorian is going to favor my opinion very heavily.

thats because most people out there are knowledgable and will favor Ronnie.

just because you guys have no clue what you are doing and are one of few delusional ones does not mean that the rest of the world is wrong.

it means that you guys are.

you are like the proverbial 10th dentist lol

you still have not addressed the fact of the polls i posted from 99-01 where ronnie lost to dorian.

you continue to only bring up whatever sources support your view and you're wrong as always.


just like how ronnie has better legs than platz.


 

[Hulkster]

still waiting for you guys to go on the polls directly comparing 99/03 ronnie and  93/95 yates on all those boards and tell people how "intellectually faulty" their arguments are..

you guys are the biggest cowards on the whole fucking internet..

[IceCold]

lol here is a newsflash:

thats because most people out there are knowledgable and will favor Ronnie.

considering that pumpster is a mod on a training form, despite never going to a gym and using a bowflex, i'll pass on "most being knowledgable".

you would think that a training mod would know about training, but this isnt a bowflex infomericial.

pumpster has single handly ruined your pathetic attempts to convince us that internet polls matter as much as you think.  

[Hulkster]

you still have not addressed the fact of the polls i posted from 99-01 where ronnie lost to dorian.

you continue to only bring up whatever sources support your view and you're wrong as always.


just like how ronnie has better legs than platz.


 

hey retard? did those polls have the excellent comparisons showing both 99 ronnie and 93 yates?

no, they didn't.

 

hell, half the fans today have no idea what 99 ronnie even looked like.

if you show them great shots of 93 Yates and 99 Ronnie, its game over for yates.

every time.

deal with it, cowards.

[NarcissisticDeity]

lol here is a newsflash:

ANY poll comparing 99 ronnie to 93 dorian is going to favor my opinion very heavily.

thats because most people out there are knowledgable and will favor Ronnie.

just because you guys have no clue what you are doing and are one of few delusional ones does not mean that the rest of the world is wrong.

it means that you guys are.

you are like the proverbial 10th dentist lol

I wouldn't doubt some knowledgeable people feel Ronnie 99 is better and would win but they didn't reach that opinion following your line of logic lmfao you're ignorant and think Ronnie 99 is the greatest not because he satisfied the IFBB criteria better than Dorian , because he just does lol he has really big biceps and a better taper LMMFO and better sweep to his quads

I along with other have constantly exposed your ignorance and retard-logic you're claims of victory are hollow and your reasoning is severely lacking and your ignorance is overwhelming , the fact you still post after the bullshit you posted speaks volumes lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

perfect example of hulkster and dumpsters's hypocrisy.

at first, mcgough was laughed at bc it was known about his friendship with dorian.  everything he was quoted saying was ignored claiming bias.

yet, when he PM says something positive about ronnie, iceman and neo post his quotes at least once a day.  so, now, PM is a credible source.


 

Typical-Hypocritical Coleman fans lol I've posted that word many times it shows how simple they are. great point by the way.

[IceCold]

still waiting for you guys to go on the polls directly comparing 99/03 ronnie and  93/95 yates on all those boards and tell people how "intellectually faulty" their arguments are..

you guys are the biggest cowards on the whole fucking internet..

i wouldnt call them intellecutally faulty, but voice my opinion with credible sources.

post the links and i will do it.  

and if they have any issues on it, they can come to this thread and see how outnumbered you are - with your two other clowns - iceman and dumpster.

i'm sure they would like to know that dumpster does not even go to a gym, but uses a bowflex and is giving out his opinion for training advice on the training forum.

and no, i will not use ken b as a credible source like you did.

lmao.  

[IceCold]

hey retard? did those polls have the excellent comparisons showing both 99 ronnie and 93 yates?

no, they didn't.

 

hell, half the fans today have no idea what 99 ronnie even looked like.

if you show them great shots of 93 Yates and 99 Ronnie, its game over for yates.

every time.

deal with it, cowards.

you cant be that fucking stupid.

the polls i listed were from 99-01 AFTER RONNIE'S BEST YEARS.

explain your rationale for your retarted comment.

they had no idea what ronnie looked like?

these polls were months after the 99 olympia, when images of ronnie were fresh with everyone.

certainly more fresh that 6 or 4 years earlier from dorian - and ronnie still lost.

not 8 fucking years later. 

pathetic dumbass. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

still waiting for you guys to go on the polls directly comparing 99/03 ronnie and  93/95 yates on all those boards and tell people how "intellectually faulty" their arguments are..

you guys are the biggest cowards on the whole fucking internet..

You're the most ignorant person on the whole internet ( concerning bodybuilding ) and again you're so starving for retaliation you want it by proxy , you want others to fight your battle for you thats cowardice plain & simple , hence why you seek comfort in numbers , see argument ad populum .

[IceCold]

the fact that hulkster and icmean think ronnie has the best of everything shows their biased ignorance.

hulkster has been ridiculed countless times for his nuthugging and i even started several best of bodypart threads to prove them wrong.

the entire board laughed their asses off when these clowns came on professing ronnie had the best of everything - especially delts and legs.

(i guess having gyno doesnt affect ronnie's chest, but everyone else).