Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian's arms were not that great- pre tear. Post tear, they were some of the worst ever for a Mr. O.

the problem over on the truce thread is that the dorian fans (all three of them LOL) are so fucking stupid they have tried to argue in the past that they are actually BETTER than a peak ronnie' coleman's arms....


this is the kind of stupidity that the ronnie side is dealing with over there.

We are the voice of sanity, bodybuilding knowledge, and fairness.

they are the voice of shear stupidity, cheating (they voted 1000 times in a dorian vs ronnie poll in one night lol) and avoidance of reality...

Wow you couldn't be any more wrong ( as usual ) Dorian's forearms are better than peak Ronnie , Ronnie has bowling pin forearms and Dorian's are full and insert near the wrist and Dorian has better ( i.e. read moron NOT BIGGER ) triceps and Dorian's arms at their best have a better balance between the bicep/tricep/forearm get the facts straight 

and you don't know who voted on that dumb poll so don't blame anyone until you do

[NarcissisticDeity]

for the last fucking time, it is NOT an ad populum argument. STOP SAYING IT IS.

it is based on EVIDENCE. NOT NUMBERS.

just because YOU are applying criteria INCORRECTLY DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS..
 

You are hopeless  98% of people agree that Ronnie is better than Dorian is a textbook ad populum argument and ontop of it being one its faulty logic 

[WOOO]

i miss dorian

[NeoSeminole]

You didn't prove shit, Sir NeoSeminole. You drew a line on Ronnie's wrist and another on Dorian's mid hand and that is supposed to prove what Furthermore, you keep ignoring that the scale of the picture is a factor of 20 or 30. Even a  difference in forearms lengh of a measly one centimeter translates into the figure of 10" that I was talking about. So you have nothing!

I already blew your argument out of the water. Nice try kiddo, but regurgitating the same bullshit won't help you.

[pumpster]

Wow you couldn't be any more wrong ( as usual ) Dorian's forearms are better than peak Ronnie , Ronnie has bowling pin forearms and Dorian's are full and insert near the wrist and Dorian has better ( i.e. read moron NOT BIGGER ) triceps and Dorian's arms at their best have a better balance between the bicep/tricep/forearm get the facts straight 

and you don't know who voted on that dumb poll so don't blame anyone until you do

Superb job of ND as always, typing with one hand.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Superb job of ND as always typing with one hand.

pumpster add to the thread or don't post 

[pumpster]

pumpster add to the thread or don't post 

A pic's worth 1,000 meaningless meandering ND words.

[NarcissisticDeity]

A pic's worth 1,000 meaningless meandering ND words.

keep exposing yourself as biased and stupid thats not Dorian at his best now is it? but you fear posting pics of him at his best for a reason , go back and play mod bow-flex-boy 

[NeoSeminole]

its all a matter of semantics , larger , same size either way its bull shit , I hate to break it to you son Ronnie's calves aren't the same width , size or anything compared to Dorian , period . I don't care if Ronnie is 296 or 287 in your fantasy world with a heavily slanted comparison their calves may be comparable but in reality its no contest

I really don't give a shit whether you care or not. Unlike you, I accept reality when it's starring me in the face - in this case, the evidence shows 03 Ronnie's calves were almost the same width as Dorian's. I'm not arguing that Ronnie's calves were the same size in circumference; I'm simply stating they were, in all likelihood, close to the same width. The reason they look small is b/c they are underneath possibly the largest quads ever.

and the fact you now say your comparison is quite accurate contradicts your claim of it not being perfect and if you claim you never said it was perfect but accurate it shows you're just playing with words , which is a diversionary tactic , in your accurate comparison Dorian's waist is narrower than Ronnie , more fantasy

"quite accurate" and "not perfect" are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, it's not my problem you struggle with reading comprehension. I've always maintained my comparisons are close to accurate. Nowhere did I ever say they are perfect.

I don't know what more sad , the comparison or the fact you think the comparison is accurate , and oh did you factor in these quotes? ( rhetorical )

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

a 317 pound Lou Ferrigno and a 275 pound Paul Dillett couldn't make Yates look small but a 287 pound Ronnie would

the judge was referring to Dorian's aura of invincibility. It's obvious looking at pics of Dorian standing next to Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno.





Learn the difference between literal and figurative language. It will save you from looking like a dumbass in the future. I have a quote from an Olympia judge saying 03 Ronnie had muscles that have never been discovered before. Do you honestly think he was being serious?

[Hulkster]

You are hopeless  98% of people agree that Ronnie is better than Dorian is a textbook ad populum argument and ontop of it being one its faulty logic 

this is straight from a description of the ad populum argument from a philosophy website.

note the bold emphasis (mine) that is EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING YOU STUPID PHILOSOPHY-CHALLENGED IDIOT:

The main problem with this fallacy is the fact that many people agree on something does not imply that what they agree on  is true; nevertheless, the fact that many people agree, can be relevant evidence for the truth in some instances.  The trick is to understand the nature of the relevance of the premisses to the conclusion.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG:

 the premises of the conclusion that ronnie is better relies on the EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF COLD HARD COMPARISONS.

ND (the philosophy retard) OWNED.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html

[Necrosis]

keep exposing yourself as biased and stupid thats not Dorian at his best now is it? but you fear posting pics of him at his best for a reason , go back and play mod bow-flex-boy 

id hate to break it to you ND but in that black and white pic, dorians arms are horrible. if you chopped the pic and asked people to judge, id bet they would say it was two different bodybuilders .

the biceps connect different, one tri is bigger and the forearms couldnt look more different.

horrible symmetry, dorians arms look like he trained each one on a seperate day.

[Hulkster]

and you don't know who voted on that dumb poll so don't blame anyone until you do

are you claiming that the regulars on all those sites just decided to resurrect months old dormant polls and vote 1000 times for dorian so that he could being winning against ronnie in one night?

 

you are far more stupid than even I previously thought..

[NeoSeminole]

id hate to break it to you ND but in that black and white pic, dorians arms are horrible. if you chopped the pic and asked people to judge, id bet they would say it was two different bodybuilders

aww shit, what's up bro? I'm glad to see you posting in the gossip section. How's school going?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I really don't give a shit whether you care or not. Unlike you, I accept reality when it's starring me in the face - in this case, the evidence shows 03 Ronnie's calves were almost the same width as Dorian's. I'm not arguing that Ronnie's calves were the same size in circumference; I'm simply stating they were, in all likelihood, close to the same width. The reason they look small is b/c they are underneath possibly the largest quads ever.

"quite accurate" and "not perfect" are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, it's not my problem you struggle with reading comprehension. I've always maintained my comparisons are close to accurate. Nowhere did I ever say they are perfect.

the judge was referring to Dorian's aura of invincibility. It's obvious looking at pics of Dorian standing next to Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno.


Learn the difference between literal and figurative language. It will save you from looking like a dumbass in the future. I have a quote from an Olympia judge saying 03 Ronnie had muscles that have never been discovered before. Do you honestly think he was being serious?

I really don't give a shit whether you care or not. Unlike you, I accept reality when it's starring me in the face - in this case, the evidence shows 03 Ronnie's calves were almost the same width as Dorian's. I'm not arguing that Ronnie's calves were the same size in circumference; I'm simply stating they were, in all likelihood, close to the same width. The reason they look small is b/c they are underneath possibly the largest quads ever.

You just typed that your homemade comparison based on two separate photos is ' reality ' I rest my case on that alone

"quite accurate" and "not perfect" are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, it's not my problem you struggle with reading comprehension. I've always maintained my comparisons are close to accurate. Nowhere did I ever say they are perfect.

as I expected you're playing with words , so predictable and they are NOT close to accurate because neither is based on reality , oh wait according to you they are lol

the judge was referring to Dorian's aura of invincibility. It's obvious looking at pics of Dorian standing next to Paul Dillet and Lou Ferrigno.

Its wrong of you to presume to speak for someone else and its wrong because he SPECIFICALLY MENTIONS they both weigh more than Dorian , so nice try an interpretation  and nice example of what you were trying to prove a picture of Dorian all the way to the side and back LMMFAO ( no wonder why your comparisons suck ) and lets see should I take the word of a judge who was live and in person or some biased , ignorant moron Hmmmmm...............let me think about that one

Learn the difference between literal and figurative language. It will save you from looking like a dumbass in the future. I have a quote from an Olympia judge saying 03 Ronnie had muscles that have never been discovered before. Do you honestly think he was being serious?

If it was figurative he would have NEVER mentioned they both weigh more than Dorian , there goes your theory  and the judge concerning Ronnie was obviously being figurative

So don't break your arm patting yourself on the back because you've accomplished dick 

[Hulkster]

id hate to break it to you ND but in that black and white pic, dorians arms are horrible. if you chopped the pic and asked people to judge, id bet they would say it was two different bodybuilders .

the biceps connect different, one tri is bigger and the forearms couldnt look more different.

horrible symmetry, dorians arms look like he trained each one on a seperate day.

agreed.

compared to someone with great arms, they are more than horrible.

[NarcissisticDeity]

this is straight from a description of the ad populum argument from a philosophy website.

note the bold emphasis (mine) that is EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING YOU STUPID PHILOSOPHY-CHALLENGED IDIOT:

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG:

 the premises of the conclusion that ronnie is better relies on the EVIDENCE IN THE FORM OF COLD HARD COMPARISONS.

ND (the philosophy retard) OWNED.

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html

You're still stuck on stupid you are MISTAKING popular opinion as evidence so there fore you are once again WRONG period , and you're wrong because

A) you're biased
B) because you're ignorant of competitive bodybuilding and how its judged
C) because you failed to acknowledge this FACT based on multiple qualified sources i.e. eye witnesses

Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).


Just based on this McGough quote alone your evidence is incomplete and inaccurate so therefore entertaining your WRONG claim of this not being an argument ad populum ( a gift from me to you  ) you're still wrong because you can't base your evidence on comparison that are inaccurate and incomplete , so either way sport you're fucked and I own you ( checkmate ) 

[NarcissisticDeity]

id hate to break it to you ND but in that black and white pic, dorians arms are horrible. if you chopped the pic and asked people to judge, id bet they would say it was two different bodybuilders .

the biceps connect different, one tri is bigger and the forearms couldnt look more different.

horrible symmetry, dorians arms look like he trained each one on a seperate day.

lmfao horrible I let that statement stand on its own two legs ( or lack there of )

[NarcissisticDeity]

are you claiming that the regulars on all those sites just decided to resurrect months old dormant polls and vote 1000 times for dorian so that he could being winning against ronnie in one night?

 

you are far more stupid than even I previously thought..

Again you don't know so stop blaming people ! especially me I don't cling to numbers

[Hulkster]

LOL ND is shown to be completely ignorant of the very philosphical argument he was claiming I was making and all he can do to retort is break out the quotes (to once again try and discredit all hard evidence ) and say everyone is biased..

face it ND: you were owned and owned badly.

Perhaps you should enroll in some remedial philosophy classes at your local community college.. that is if you get in...LOL

 

[Hulkster]

Again you don't know so stop blaming people ! especially me I don't cling to numbers

you did not answer my question .

[Hulkster]

I find it really sad that your entire argument for dorian seems to boil down to this one quote:

Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).

lol
 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Add these quote to your faulty evidence based on comparisons of slanted and biased comparisons

Bob Chick GetBig Jan 15 , 2007

The judges made their decision based on what they saw live and in person. Pictures mean nothing as they can be deceiving...

Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates

" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.

light years !! ahead , no ...........no the home made comparisons are evidence lol cold hard facts lmfao

MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia


" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.


TEN-TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage VS pictures ( what you have ) and videos lol so much for your evidence based on comparisons

You have nothing for me , you thought you made it someone but you got knocked back down by me 

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL ND is shown to be completely ignorant of the very philosphical argument he was claiming I was making and all he can do to retort is break out the quotes (to once again try and discredit all hard evidence ) and say everyone is biased..

face it ND: you were owned and owned badly.

Perhaps you should enroll in some remedial philosophy classes at your local community college.. that is if you get in...LOL

 

Again you can counter my argument so keep chasing your tail in circles these quotes absolutely crush your claim period end of sentence ! lmfao you're fucked these quotes are from eye witnesses not some biased morons . and you are biased at least have the balls to admit to that , its blatant lol recall your loose skin thread where you tried to recruit allies and got owned for it? lol and anyone who says and I quote " Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all times " is biased Oh and you said " Dorian 1993 should have lost to Flex " lmfao thats the epitome of bias and its okay but lets not pretend you're fair & balanced NONE of you are

[Hulkster]

show me some concrete evidence ND.

that is the weakest evidence yet for the fact that dorian is better.

I find it so unbelievably ironic that you had the audacity to say that my argument was 'weak' when your argument has no substance what so ever.

you don't even compare them anymore..

[Hulkster]

" Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all times " is biased

no, in his post tear form, it is right on target: