Treason….

[Primemuscle]

Wait.  You are the same person who refused to meet with Coach when you were in the same city.  You friggin poser.  lol

Is this true? I cannot imagine why someone would refuse to meet with Coach or most other Getbig members unless there was a threat of physical harm. Coach and I almost never agree, particularly when it comes to politics, but why wouldn’t we be civil to each other if we met in person, we are both adults. I would likely avoid discussing politics with him though.

Coach lives in Huntington Beach, CA. I love the beach especially those in Southern California. This is something he and I have in common.

[Dos Equis]

Is this true? I cannot imagine why someone would refuse to meet with Coach or most other Getbig members unless there was a threat of physical harm. Coach and I almost never agree, particularly when it comes to politics, but why wouldn’t we be civil to each other if we met in person, we are both adults. I would likely avoid discussing politics with him though.

Coach lives in Huntington Beach, CA. I love the beach especially those in Southern California. This is something he and I have in common.

Yes it's true. 

[Primemuscle]

Yes it's true.

Obviously, I don't know all the circumstances in this case, but it is a shame when people cannot put their difference of opinions aside.

[Dos Equis]

Obviously, I don't know all the circumstances in this case, but it is a shame when people cannot put their difference of opinions aside.

They both posted about it on the board.  I don't think Agnostic wants to have a true dialogue.  He's a keyboard warrior.  He would never say the things he says on this board to Coach's face.

[Primemuscle]

They both posted about it on the board.  I don't think Agnostic wants to have a true dialogue.  He's a keyboard warrior.  He would never say the things he says on this board to Coach's face.

I would avoid conflict, swearing or name calling in person because it isn't in my nature to do this.

Coach keeps mentioning setting up a debate. This will never happen with me. My hearing is so poor even with state of the art hearing aids, there is no way I could intelligently engage in a debate with anyone. Imagine they state a point and my response is, could you repeat that please? I couldn't hear you, or better yet, could you write this down for me?  LOL.

[deadz]

They both posted about it on the board.  I don't think Agnostic wants to have a true dialogue.  He's a keyboard warrior.  He would never say the things he says on this board to Coach's face or mine!

I'm in S. Fla. he's in Tampa, anytime, any day!

[Dos Equis]

I would avoid conflict, swearing or name calling in person because it isn't in my nature to do this.

Coach keeps mentioning setting up a debate. This will never happen with me. My hearing is so poor even with state of the art hearing aids, there is no way I could intelligently engage in a debate with anyone. Imagine they state a point and my response is, could you repeat that please? I couldn't hear you, or better yet, could you write this down for me?  LOL.

So you're saying you would be like Joe Biden?   

[Primemuscle]

So you're saying you would be like Joe Biden?   

Hmmm, I wasn't sure whether you were referring to my civility or hearing issues. Does President Biden wear hearing aids or have difficulty hearing? I thought his poor debate performance was due to his being ill. As for his being civil, I've read he tends towards using profanities.

[Dos Equis]

Hmmm, I wasn't sure whether you were referring to my civility or hearing issues. Does President Biden wear hearing aids or have difficulty hearing? I thought his poor debate performance was due to his being ill. As for his being civil, I've read he tends towards using profanities.

His poor debate performance was due to him having oatmeal for brains. 

[Coach is Back!]

Wait.  You are the same person who refused to meet with Coach when you were in the same city.  You friggin poser.  lol

On that day and where I was in HB, he was literally less than 10 min away, 5 min at worst. I believe I’ve even asked him to come train in a shoot house and range with us with both OC and Riverside Sheriff’s and some military from Pendelton. Hell, I asked him to come out to Austin when I was there to train withTim Kennedy and his group at Sheepdog…..and he claimed to be with Austin PD. Dude is all full of excuses

[Gym Rat]

Hahahahaha.   

Since no one wants to provide a link to those stats  -->    <--     I will do so.   

Trumpy said.... Qoach posted....   two reasons alone that should have indicated reality was going to be quite different.   

Once again, Qoach gets his ass "handed to him".   

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Fact check: To attack Harris, Trump falsely describes new stats on immigrants and homicide

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=fact+check+to+attack+harris+trump+falsely+describes+new+stats+on+immigrants+and+homicide

Former President Donald Trump is wildly distorting new statistics on immigration and crime to attack Vice President Kamala Harris.

Trump falsely claimed Friday and Saturday that the statistics are specifically about criminal offenders who entered the US during the Biden-Harris administration; in reality, the figures are about offenders who entered the US over multiple decades, including during the Trump administration. And Trump falsely claimed that the statistics are specifically about people who are now living freely in the US; the figures actually include people who are currently in jails and prisons serving criminal sentences.

“Kamala should immediately cancel her News Conference because it was just revealed that 13,000 convicted murderers entered our Country during her three and a half year period as Border Czar,” Trump wrote in one post on Friday, the day Harris visited the southern border in Arizona. Harris “allowed almost 14,000 MURDERERS to freely and openly roam our Country,” Trump wrote in another Friday post. They “roam free to KILL AGAIN,” he wrote, escalating his rhetoric, on Saturday.

Facts First: Trump’s claims are false in two big ways. First, the statistics he was referring to are not specifically about people who entered the country during the Biden-Harris administration. Rather, those statistics are about noncitizens who entered the country under any administration, including Trump’s; were convicted of a crime at some point, usually in the US after their arrival; and are now living in the US while being listed on Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s “non-detained docket” — where some have been listed for years, including while Trump was president, because their country of citizenship won’t let the US deport them back there. Second, that ICE “non-detained” list includes people who are still serving jail and prison sentences for their crimes; they are on the list because they are not being held in immigration detention in particular.

The new statistics, released by ICE in a letter to a Republican congressman this week, said there were 425,431 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of July 21, 2024, including 13,099 people with homicide convictions.

The statistics have been deployed by Trump and various Republican lawmakers and right-wing commentators as alarming evidence of Harris’ supposed mismanagement of immigration policy. But in addition to exaggerating her role on the file — she was never actually “border czar” — much of the chatter has inaccurately described what the statistics show.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, said in a Saturday email: “The data in this letter is being misinterpreted. The data goes back decades; it includes individuals who entered the country over the past 40 years or more, the vast majority of whose custody determination was made long before this Administration. It also includes many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners.”

It’s not clear how many of the 13,099 people with homicide convictions on ICE’s non-detained docket as of July 21 are currently incarcerated in jails and prisons. Regardless, John Sandweg, an attorney who served as acting director of ICE during the Obama administration, said in a Saturday interview that it is “100% false” to say all the homicide offenders on the non-detained docket entered the US during Harris’ vice presidency. Sandweg added: “These are individuals who undoubtedly entered the United States over a long period of time. … A lot of them have probably been on the list for 20 years, where the US has just been unable to deport.”

We could not immediately find public statistics on how many people with criminal convictions were on the non-detained docket during Trump’s presidency. But there are public statistics from just before and just after his presidency — and those statistics, which we’ll discuss later in this article, make clear that Trump, too, presided over a non-detained docket that included hundreds of thousands of people with criminal convictions.

A Supreme Court decision requires ICE to release some offenders

Trump’s posts left open the impression that the homicide offenders on the non-detained docket had foreign homicide convictions but were nonetheless allowed to cross the US border and live freely in this country. In reality, public data makes it clear that the overwhelming majority of people with criminal convictions on the non-detained docket were convicted in the US, as Sandweg and Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, senior fellow at the American Immigration Council, which supports immigration, both told CNN.

Why aren’t these people in immigration detention if they have been convicted of a crime as serious as homicide? Under a 2001 Supreme Court decision, the US government is not allowed to indefinitely keep someone in immigration detention after they have been ordered removed from the country. So if someone has served their criminal sentence for homicide and then is ordered to be removed from the US, but their country is uncooperative with the US on immigration and won’t take them back, they must be released in the US — usually after no more than six months in immigration detention.

“Let’s say you have a Russian who was convicted of homicide. There’s nothing we can do there,” Sandweg said, given how Russia simply won’t accept the deportation. “There comes a point where you just have to release them.” He added that this doesn’t mean the person is “completely free” — people on the non-detained docket often have to check in with ICE or be monitored electronically — “but there’s just no more legal authority to continue the detention.”

Sandweg added: “ICE, of course, is not willy-nilly saying, ‘Okay, people convicted of murder, you’re not a priority.’ … We have a guy convicted of homicide, our strong preference is not to release them onto the streets.”

Reichlin-Melnick, who noted Saturday on social media that the non-detained docket includes people in jails and prisons, wrote on social media on Friday that “anyone on ICE’s non-detained docket with a homicide conviction has likely been in the country for decades, served a full criminal sentence, and can’t be removed because they’re from a country which restricts US deportations.”

Reichlin-Melnick continued: “There are others on ICE’s non-detained docket who have serious criminal records who, after serving their time, managed to win some form of protection and relief from removal. They are now here legally, but remain on the docket and are required to check in with ICE periodically.”

The list of convicted criminals on the non-detained docket includes both people who crossed the border illegally and people who came to the US legally, such as with a visa or green card, and then committed a crime and were placed in removal proceedings or were given a removal order.

What the numbers show

The non-detained docket is not a new creation of the Biden-Harris administration. In fact, there were hundreds of thousands of people with criminal convictions on the non-detained docket during the Trump presidency, too.

A reporter for Fox News, the right-wing outlet whose reporting on these statistics Trump repeatedly promoted on Friday, noted Friday evening on social media that “not all of these criminals entered during the Biden admin, as some are claiming” and that “some of these criminals go back many years across multiple administrations.”

A previous official federal report said there were 368,574 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of August 2016, under the Obama administration, about five months before Trump became president. And another federal document said there were 405,786 total convicted criminals on the non-detained docket as of early June 2021, less than five months into the Biden-Harris administration. Again, the July 2024 number was 425,431 total convicted criminals.

In other words, the list grew about 10% between August 2016 and June 2021 — a roughly five-year period that included the four-year Trump administration — and then grew about another roughly 5% in the three-plus years under the Biden-Harris administration between June 2021 and July 2024.

Because official information on people on the non-detained docket with criminal convictions has only been released sporadically, with dates that don’t line up with the start and end dates of presidential administrations, it’s not possible to say how much of the increase happened under the Trump administration versus how much happened during the final months of the Obama administration and the first months of the Biden-Harris administration.

Regardless, there’s no basis for saying, as Trump kept doing Friday, that all of the people on the docket with homicide convictions came in during the Biden-Harris administration — and the numbers show “the docket certainly grew under the Trump administration,” Sandweg said. (He added that, to be fair, Trump faced the same stubborn issues with uncooperative foreign countries as other presidents.)

The crimes committed by people on the non-detained docket in July 2024 ranged from the most serious offenses, like homicide and sexual assault, to “gambling,” “liquor,” and “obscenity” offenses. The conviction categories with the highest number of people on the non-detained docket were “traffic offenses” (77,074), “assault” (62,231), “dangerous drugs” (56,533) and “immigration” (51,933).

We could not immediately find public data on the number of people with homicide convictions specifically who were on the non-detained docket in past years, including during the Trump administration.

It is clear that the total number of people on the non-detained docket, including people without any criminal conviction, has spiked during the Biden-Harris administration. (There are numerous reasons that people can end up on the docket; we won’t get into those here.) ICE says the docket jumped from roughly 3.3 million in the 2020 fiscal year, the last full fiscal year under Trump, to roughly 6.2 million in the 2023 fiscal year.

Harris critics are entitled to cite this real increase. Her presidential opponent, though, is criticizing her dishonestly.
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Jesus you are as whacky as a fruit-fly, LOL... Epic meltdown, LOL. 

[Dos Equis]

On that day and where I was in HB, he was literally less than 10 min away, 5 min at worst. I believe I’ve even asked him to come train in a shoot house and range with us with both OC and Riverside Sheriff’s and some military from Pendelton. Hell, I asked him to come out to Austin when I was there to train withTim Kennedy and his group at Sheepdog…..and he claimed to be with Austin PD. Dude is all full of excuses

He's a very insecure man.  Sad. 

[Agnostic007]

Obviously, I don't know all the circumstances in this case, but it is a shame when people cannot put their difference of opinions aside.

It’s true. Coaches spin is I was somehow afraid.. the fact is. I was heading there to support a long time friends wife for a memorial for my friend. I made the gesture thinking I might have some down time. Turns out there was none in the time I was there. I would have had to break away from a family gathering during an emotional time and the opportunity did not present itself.
Leave it to Coach to forgo understanding and create a false narrative not unlike Gateway pundit

It wasn’t even about a debate, it was about meeting for a beer. However, over time, my impression of Coach as a genuine guy just misguided has changed. He actively avoids and ignores evidence he doesn’t agree with and lost any respect I had for him.

[illuminati]

It’s true. Coaches spin is I was somehow afraid.. the fact is. I was heading there to support a long time friends wife for a memorial for my friend. I made the gesture thinking I might have some down time. Turns out there was none in the time I was there. I would have had to break away from a family gathering during an emotional time and the opportunity did not present itself.
Leave it to Coach to forgo understanding and create a false narrative not unlike Gateway pundit

It wasn’t even about a debate, it was about meeting for a beer. However, over time, my impression of Coach as a genuine guy just misguided has changed. He actively avoids and ignores evidence he doesn’t agree with and lost any respect I had for him.

So you avoided him twice because you were to busy 
Plan your time better then.

2 - 0 to Coach.
Next time meet him & don't come up with feeble excuses.

[Gym Rat]

Coach easily makes the 3 Stooges melt down like candle wax, hilarious.
Prime Caulk Sukker (imagine being on par mentally w/ this retard (Fagnostic and JurkerSomeMore) LOL 

Joe makes a post and they furiously scour the internet looking for conflicting info, so they can say "I'll show them"!
LOL

spending their days here just trying to prove Joe wrong, LOL...  God this is hilarious...

[LurkerNoMore]

^^  insecure crybaby having a post midnight meltdown.

[Agnostic007]

So you avoided him twice because you were to busy 
Plan your time better then.

2 - 0 to Coach.
Next time meet him & don't come up with feeble excuses.

Once.. didn't avoid him. Didn't have time for him. He's not as important as an old friends widow. But expecting you to follow along... I understand how you got lost 

[Agnostic007]

Treason... Claiming falsely and demonstratable, that an election was stolen knowing your staunch followers were susceptible to your lies. building a fire under your rabid followers near the capitol on the day of confirmation. Getting them riled up and told them you would meet them down at the capitol (knowing you would not). Not saying a single word while you sat back and watched them overrun the capitol and call for your Vice Presidents head. If that ain't treason. Essentially, Trump tried and this is not even deniable, to overturn a free and clear election... is the ultimate Treason. But hey... If Trumpsters were smart, they wouldn't be Trumpsters. 

[Coach is Back!]

Once.. didn't avoid him. Didn't have time for him. He's not as important as an old friends widow. But expecting you to follow along... I understand how you got lost

You initiated the invite, Junior

[Agnostic007]

You initiated the invite, Junior

I thought I said that "Coach".. I did.. however, I also told you when I was there, things were pretty emotional and I didn't have the down time I thought I had. I am in San Antonio. If you ever come this way, let me know.

[illuminati]

I thought I said that "Coach".. I did.. however, I also told you when I was there, things were pretty emotional and I didn't have the down time I thought I had. I am in San Antonio. If you ever come this way, let me know.

Why you'll come up with some excuse to avoid meeting & answering
Any questions, simple ones or not so simple ones- Pathetic.

Seriously WTF has happened to you.

[Agnostic007]

Why you'll come up with some excuse to avoid meeting & answering
Any questions, simple ones or not so simple ones- Pathetic.

Seriously WTF has happened to you.

At one point I was under the impression Coach was a good old boy that might be fun to have a beer with. That view has changed so the incentive of going out of my way to meet up with him is gone. The questions you ask aren't worthy of answering. The answers are either readily available to you, or you will just ignore any answers that you don't like. Been there done that. Got old.

[illuminati]

At one point I was under the impression Coach was a good old boy that might be fun to have a beer with. That view has changed so the incentive of going out of my way to meet up with him is gone. The questions you ask aren't worthy of answering. The answers are either readily available to you, or you will just ignore any answers that you don't like. Been there done that. Got old.

You've done Fuck all.

You choose to decline to answer 3 simple questions - are you scared of the  answers
You'd have to give to be truthful?

And Bollocks to you saying the questions aren't worthy of you answering.
No wonder you run away from Coach .

[deadz]

At one point I was under the impression Coach was a good old boy that might be fun to have a beer with. That view has changed so the incentive of going out of my way to meet up with him is gone. The questions you ask aren't worthy of answering. The answers are either readily available to you, or you will just ignore any answers that you don't like. Been there done that. Got old.

Clown!

[Agnostic007]

Clown!

About every 2 weeks I revisit people I put on ignore. I want to be fair. You sir, hold the record for the most time on ignore. My criteria is simple " Adds to the discussion". You still have yet to add to any discussion I am aware of. You can take this as an insult and ignore it, or review your past responses and examine whether they are above the 3rd grade. Up to you