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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2024, 09:09:59 AM »
Both sides of the media definitely have their share of misinformation. The first reports I saw on CNN claimed there was no significant damage and no casualties, but those stories have since disappeared. No retraction, just poof, they're gone.

I did come across an Israeli explanation stating that even after missiles are intercepted, you might still see them falling. That makes sense to me, though I’m no expert. Plus, if 80% of the 200 or 500 missiles, as reported by foreign media, actually got through, wouldn’t we be seeing reports of massive casualties?

I believe Israel wanted to preserve the perception of having an impenetrable defense system and tried to manage the media to support that narrative. Then they realized they couldn’t fully control the situation. While I do think more Iranian missiles got through than they’re willing to admit, I don’t believe it was as high as 80%.

Even if the missiles are intercepted and shot down there will probably still be some falling debris.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2024, 09:14:24 AM »
Iran was broke under Trump. He cut them off from the banks and severely limited oil sales. The Democrats gave them access to banking and let them sell oil at will making them filthy rich. What did they do? They financed terrorism against Israel. 

Time for Israel to take out their oil wells.  Some say China will attack Israel then.  None of this would have happened under Trump.


Nope. China hasn't started a war in over 50 years. The USA on the other hand...

Vietnam
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Cambodia
Cuba
Lebanon
Grenada
Libya
Iraq (multiple times)
Syria
Yemen
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US is by far the worst warmonger, not China.



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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2024, 11:42:17 AM »
Even if the missiles are intercepted and shot down there will probably still be some falling debris.
Iran claims 80-90% of the missiles got through. I looked at a view videos and it seems believable to me.

Here's a set of missiles reaching the ground.


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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2024, 11:43:04 AM »

Nope. China hasn't started a war in over 50 years. The USA on the other hand...

Vietnam
Laos
Cambodia
Cuba
Lebanon
Grenada
Libya
Iraq (multiple times)
Syria
Yemen
Panama
Somalia
Bosnia
Croatia
Serbia
Afghanistan


US is by far the worst warmonger, not China.
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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2024, 11:44:36 AM »
Both sides of the media definitely have their share of misinformation. The first reports I saw on CNN claimed there was no significant damage and no casualties, but those stories have since disappeared. No retraction, just poof, they're gone.

I did come across an Israeli explanation stating that even after missiles are intercepted, you might still see them falling. That makes sense to me, though I’m no expert. Plus, if 80% of the 200 or 500 missiles, as reported by foreign media, actually got through, wouldn’t we be seeing reports of massive casualties?

I believe Israel wanted to preserve the perception of having an impenetrable defense system and tried to manage the media to support that narrative. Then they realized they couldn’t fully control the situation. While I do think more Iranian missiles got through than they’re willing to admit, I don’t believe it was as high as 80%.
80-90%. Some of the missiles were hypersonic.

Israel hit by hypersonic missiles – Iran
The Revolutionary Guard claims to have used cutting-edge Fattah-2 rockets to bypass Israeli air defenses

Iran used hypersonic missiles for the first time during its strikes on Israel on Tuesday, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has announced.

Iran launched several salvos of missiles in what the IRGC called a response to the recent Israeli killings of the heads of Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as an Iranian general who was in Lebanon.

Fattah-2 hypersonic missiles were used in the attack to bypass Israeli radars, Iranian media reported on Tuesday evening, citing the IRGC.

The Guard claimed that 80-90% of the missiles used in ‘Operation Honest Promise 2’ struck their targets, among which were the Tel Nof air base near Tel Aviv and the Netsarim area near Gaza, where they said “a large number of Israeli tanks” were destroyed.

Iran also claimed to have destroyed a number of Israeli F-35 fighters at the Nevatim air base, located halfway between Beersheba and the Dead Sea.

https://www.rt.com/news/605075-iran-israel-hypersonic-missiles/

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2024, 11:47:26 AM »
80-90%. Some of the missiles were hypersonic.

If I'm not mistaken still only targeting military sites, to warn of their capability.
Everyone is sweating I bet, all sides.

Israel is forcing the US into a regional war.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2024, 11:56:24 AM »
Iran claims 80-90% of the missiles got through. I looked at a view videos and it seems believable to me.

Here's a set of missiles reaching the ground.




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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2024, 12:02:25 PM »
If I'm not mistaken still only targeting military sites, to warn of their capability.
Everyone is sweating I bet, all sides.

Israel is forcing the US into a regional war.
If the US and Israel attacks Iran I suspect they might send hypersonics to try and sink the aircraft carriers. Russia and China will be sitting on the sidelines with keen interest to see how easily they can be taken out. Taking out the carriers would create problems for Israel.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2024, 12:49:38 PM »
RIP Sky News reporter. LMFAO! OWNED!


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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2024, 02:01:43 PM »
At least Iran had the decency to fire on military bases. This is a bit scary though, as the more emboldened they become, the better the chances US gets dragged full blown into an Iran Israeli conflict.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #60 on: October 02, 2024, 02:46:16 PM »
RIP Sky News reporter. LMFAO! OWNED!



Jesus 😂

The reporter shouldn’t have come out attacking in his opening question. He never recovered after that.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #61 on: October 02, 2024, 03:12:15 PM »
80-90%. Some of the missiles were hypersonic.

Israel hit by hypersonic missiles – Iran
The Revolutionary Guard claims to have used cutting-edge Fattah-2 rockets to bypass Israeli air defenses

Iran used hypersonic missiles for the first time during its strikes on Israel on Tuesday, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has announced.

Iran launched several salvos of missiles in what the IRGC called a response to the recent Israeli killings of the heads of Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as an Iranian general who was in Lebanon.

Fattah-2 hypersonic missiles were used in the attack to bypass Israeli radars, Iranian media reported on Tuesday evening, citing the IRGC.

The Guard claimed that 80-90% of the missiles used in ‘Operation Honest Promise 2’ struck their targets, among which were the Tel Nof air base near Tel Aviv and the Netsarim area near Gaza, where they said “a large number of Israeli tanks” were destroyed.

Iran also claimed to have destroyed a number of Israeli F-35 fighters at the Nevatim air base, located halfway between Beersheba and the Dead Sea.

https://www.rt.com/news/605075-iran-israel-hypersonic-missiles/

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not sure how to evaluate these things myself and have suspicions as to how 80% could be true. I've seen videos that show missiles hitting areas in Israel, but I can't tell if they're hitting bases, how many missiles there are, or if some are intercepted and falling without causing a big explosion. If 80% of 200 missiles actually hit, wouldn't we hear about a lot of civilian casualties or see significant damage to military bases and airports?

If the 80% estimate is true I think it changes the balance of power in the middle east and Israel will have to be more restrained in their response. And if the US gets dragged into a middle eastern war the covid inflation will pale in comparison to what is to come.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2024, 06:43:51 PM »
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not sure how to evaluate these things myself and have suspicions as to how 80% could be true. I've seen videos that show missiles hitting areas in Israel, but I can't tell if they're hitting bases, how many missiles there are, or if some are intercepted and falling without causing a big explosion. If 80% of 200 missiles actually hit, wouldn't we hear about a lot of civilian casualties or see significant damage to military bases and airports?

If the 80% estimate is true I think it changes the balance of power in the middle east and Israel will have to be more restrained in their response. And if the US gets dragged into a middle eastern war the covid inflation will pale in comparison to what is to come.
I suspected significant casualties but Scott Ritter explained why not. Iran targeted Israeli military sites with precision and Israel probably evacuated military personnel and aircraft prior to the strikes. Scott thinks claims about F35s destroyed are exaggerated and they were likely all airborne before the missiles impacted.

The West wants to project Israel as invulnerable so they probably won't show all the damage caused to the military sites.

Iran's approach is similar to Russia. They want to minimize civilian casualties and hit military targets with precision - if they can. Israel and Ukraine don't seem to care about civilian casualties and will even use the excuse that targets were hiding behind human shields. Israel and Ukraine appear to be ruled by individuals with Asperger syndrome.


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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #63 on: October 03, 2024, 12:35:02 AM »
Iran claims 80-90% of the missiles got through. I looked at a view videos and it seems believable to me.

Here's a set of missiles reaching the ground.


Well then, Iran deserves everything it gets.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #64 on: October 03, 2024, 12:37:03 AM »
I suspected significant casualties but Scott Ritter explained why not. Iran targeted Israeli military sites with precision and Israel probably evacuated military personnel and aircraft prior to the strikes. Scott thinks claims about F35s destroyed are exaggerated and they were likely all airborne before the missiles impacted.

The West wants to project Israel as invulnerable so they probably won't show all the damage caused to the military sites.

Iran's approach is similar to Russia. They want to minimize civilian casualties and hit military targets with precision - if they can. Israel and Ukraine don't seem to care about civilian casualties and will even use the excuse that targets were hiding behind human shields. Israel and Ukraine appear to be ruled by individuals with Asperger syndrome.



You're joking right.

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« Reply #65 on: October 03, 2024, 06:24:33 AM »
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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #66 on: October 03, 2024, 11:20:38 AM »
You're joking right.

Almost all analysts agree, Iran are hitting military sites because they are aren't actually interested in escalation. But they are forced to respond in some way, the public demands it, the arab states and the Hezbollah demand it. But they are probably coming to the realisation Israel will bomb them whether they respond or not. They are not bombing civilians because of concern for Jews, it's just that they are close to being wrecked.

The mentioned Scott Ritter might turned out to be completely wrong, he's too optimistic.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #67 on: October 03, 2024, 11:23:18 AM »
Well then, Iran deserves everything it gets.

So does Israel & Palestine

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2024, 02:47:02 PM »
You're joking right.

He is a paid troll.

Google "Internet Research Agency"

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2024, 06:42:08 PM »
The mentioned Scott Ritter might turned out to be completely wrong.

Loved him in Three’s Company.

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« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2024, 08:57:22 PM »
Loved him in Three’s Company.

 :D

I gravitate to certain material, like the "antiwar" dissident experts on Judge Napolitano.



I try to watch some of the pro-Ukraine commentators too.

Ritter and Co. are constantly warning about how Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran have a lot of capability but seems to me especially Hezbollah can't do much, complete disarray. I just hope the Israelis don't just drop a nuke on Iran. Those warmongers like Lindsey Graham make me sick! They aren't volunteering for the frontlines  ;D Graham said if the Iranian oil fields are bombed the hostages will be released  ::)

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2024, 09:20:13 PM »
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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #72 on: October 03, 2024, 11:03:14 PM »
The Iron Dome was overwhelmed and missed most of the targets.


It was a symbolic attack by Iran. A real all out attack is too dangerous for them. So to save face and make all their dumbass muslim supporters happy, they had to do something. Especially after the humiliating destruction of the hizbollah terror leadership.

If the Iron dome software calculates a incoming missile will land in an agricultural area, or in the Med, no anti missile missiles are fired. Israel only has a limited number of air defence weapons. They can't afford to waste them.

The War Zone has excellent coverage of many things military:

https://www.twz.com/news-features/iranian-ballistic-missiles-rain-down-on-israel






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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #73 on: October 04, 2024, 02:57:47 PM »

It was a symbolic attack by Iran. A real all out attack is too dangerous for them. So to save face and make all their dumbass muslim supporters happy, they had to do something. Especially after the humiliating destruction of the hizbollah terror leadership.

If the Iron dome software calculates a incoming missile will land in an agricultural area, or in the Med, no anti missile missiles are fired. Israel only has a limited number of air defence weapons. They can't afford to waste them.

The War Zone has excellent coverage of many things military:

https://www.twz.com/news-features/iranian-ballistic-missiles-rain-down-on-israel


The Iron Dome was not designed for ballistic missiles. For that Israel has David Sling and Arrow. Even then, 80-90% of the missiles hit their targets. And they were not agricultural areas. The missiles hit military targets.

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Re: Iran has launched missiles at Israel – IDF
« Reply #74 on: October 04, 2024, 03:09:38 PM »
:D

I gravitate to certain material, like the "antiwar" dissident experts on Judge Napolitano.



I try to watch some of the pro-Ukraine commentators too.

Ritter and Co. are constantly warning about how Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran have a lot of capability but seems to me especially Hezbollah can't do much, complete disarray. I just hope the Israelis don't just drop a nuke on Iran. Those warmongers like Lindsey Graham make me sick! They aren't volunteering for the frontlines  ;D Graham said if the Iranian oil fields are bombed the hostages will be released  ::)
If Israel drops a nuke on Iran it will be destroyed. It's not a large land area. Iran could launch hundreds of thousands of missiles at Israel along with Hezbollah and many other enemies.

So far only the US has used nuclear weapons against another nation. Two in Japan. That would make Israel, an US ally, #3. That would free up Russia to use Nukes and the US would not be able to object since they allowed Israel to do it.

Some people claimed a mini-nuke was used in Yemen in 2015. Others claim it was the Rod from God.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cFJUd7oRpfKA