It’s Conspiracy Time: “The Dock Workers Strike”

[funk51]

The strike is over.  There's nothing to worry about. Everyone go home and take care of your families.

   

   

[GymnJuice]

Half the jobs are going to be gone. Society better figure this out quick.

I think it will be like when people lost jobs in the horse and buggy industry or any other old industries that got phased out. I assume people will migrate to other trades. Adapt or perish.

I think giving in to Union demands to slow down automation just makes our society less efficient. We fall further behind other countries when we build in inefficiencies.

[Humble Narcissist]

I think it will be like when people lost jobs in the horse and buggy industry or any other old industries that got phased out. I assume people will migrate to other trades. Adapt or perish.

I think giving in to Union demands to slow down automation just makes our society less efficient. We fall further behind other countries when we build in inefficiencies.

The horse and buggy industry was one industry. AI and automation will effect many many industries.

[ProudVirgin69]

I think it will be like when people lost jobs in the horse and buggy industry or any other old industries that got phased out. I assume people will migrate to other trades. Adapt or perish.

I think giving in to Union demands to slow down automation just makes our society less efficient. We fall further behind other countries when we build in inefficiencies.

What would automated dockworkers mean for society, aside from tens of thousands of Americans out of good jobs?  Dont think for a second prices would come down, any money saved would just be more profits in the hands of the corporations.

All I hear is how technological advances will save us time, money, and labor.  And yet when I look around, average Americans have less time, less money, and work more hours than ever before.

[ProudVirgin69]

The strike is over.  There's nothing to worry about. Everyone go home and take care of your families.

The three month pause in negotiations seems like a trap.  Gives the democrats an opportunity to pay lip service to the idea of being pro-labor without having to deal with the consequences of a strike.

[Beefjake]

The three month pause in negotiations seems like a trap.  Gives the democrats an opportunity to pay lip service to the idea of being pro-labor without having to deal with the consequences of a strike.

Three month pause?
It was reported that they reached agreement with 62% for 6 years?

[ProudVirgin69]

Three month pause?
It was reported that they reached agreement with 62% for 6 years?

That’s for compensation.  They have not yet reached an agreement on benefits and automation.

[Beefjake]

That’s for compensation.  They have not yet reached an agreement on benefits and automation.

Yes, I found and read the whole article.
Wonder why they do that. Original counter offer from employers side was 50% raise and automation texts remain the same.
Wage part is what the press, and public, in unterested in. The text is as important, if not more, to the workers.
With this they could very well have another strike on their hands. Employers can now say that they gave up on wages, not its time for union to give up on texts.

[GymnJuice]

What would automated dockworkers mean for society, aside from tens of thousands of Americans out of good jobs?  Dont think for a second prices would come down, any money saved would just be more profits in the hands of the corporations.

All I hear is how technological advances will save us time, money, and labor.  And yet when I look around, average Americans have less time, less money, and work more hours than ever before.

I disagree with you on this. I do think the prices would come down eventually. I think other countries docks will be automated, and we will be at a competitive disadvantage.

I agree that Americans work longer hours than many other nations. But I don't think the way to fix this is to prevent technological advances.

[IroNat]

Three month pause?
It was reported that they reached agreement with 62% for 6 years?

Just a tentative agreement.

[Humble Narcissist]

The three month pause in negotiations seems like a trap.  Gives the democrats an opportunity to pay lip service to the idea of being pro-labor without having to deal with the consequences of a strike.

Yeah, cover their ass before the election.

[ProudVirgin69]

I disagree with you on this. I do think the prices would come down eventually. I think other countries docks will be automated, and we will be at a competitive disadvantage.

I agree that Americans work longer hours than many other nations. But I don't think the way to fix this is to prevent technological advances.

Why would prices come down?  Consumers are used to paying the current prices, there is no need for the shipping companies to come down on prices.  They would just pocket the extra profit.

Can you point to a single example where a company cut costs by outsourcing/automating (ie: hardworking Americans losing their jobs), and the money saved resulted in lower prices for the consumer?  In every case I can think of, prices stayed the same and the money saved went to the corporation and its shareholders.

Yes, I found and read the whole article.
Wonder why they do that. Original counter offer from employers side was 50% raise and automation texts remain the same.
Wage part is what the press, and public, in unterested in. The text is as important, if not more, to the workers.
With this they could very well have another strike on their hands. Employers can now say that they gave up on wages, not its time for union to give up on texts.

I’d imagine there were some behind the scenes dealings, possibly from the White House.  “Hey, come to an agreement on wages to end the strike and Joe Biden/Kamala Harris will strongly endorse your position in the subsequent negotiations”.  The timing is just so convenient that I can’t imagine there wasn’t any external influence from Washington

Yeah, cover their ass before the election.

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