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« on: May 01, 2025, 12:45:29 PM »
WATCHING A netflix series on this.

interesting.


what areany of the US peoole on heres views of the vietnam war? genuinely interested.
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2025, 12:55:20 PM »
WATCHING A netflix series on this.

interesting.


what areany of the US peoole on heres views of the vietnam war? genuinely interested.


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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2025, 01:04:21 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2025, 01:16:50 PM »
apologies kwon


are any of the US people is how that it meant to read

you fucking gook

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2025, 01:26:06 PM »
I was a kid when the Nam was going on.

It was a crazy time.

The belief in the Domino Theory and the Cold War was strong.

I remember watching tv news footage all the time about action.

Always reports of how many enemy were killed (body counts) vs Americans killed.

I always thought "We are killing so many of them how come we aren't winning?"

The Vietnamese people had been fighting invaders for a thousand years.
We were just the latest.

As a kid my buddies and I always played "war" where we would pretend we were soldiers and take our toy guns and go on maneuvers in the woods, usually fighting Germans.  Great fun.



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« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2025, 03:29:37 PM »
I had a draft card.................... .luckily for me he stopped before m number came up.

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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2025, 04:33:38 PM »
I had a draft card.................... .luckily for me he stopped before m number came up.

hes asking about Vietnam not the Civil War

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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2025, 04:38:14 PM »
hes asking about Vietnam not the Civil War
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2025, 04:53:20 PM »

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Stopping the spread of communism was just a ruse. The whole purpose of the war in viet-fucking-nam was more about the dirty shit the insiders running the United States, the career politicians, the bankers, the owners of the major corporations all needed to secure their interests, which may have had *some* ancillary benefit to 'freedom' but was primarily to make the rich richer.

The military purpose behind the war wasn't realized until a full 2 decades after it ended which was essentially exhaust soviet military might through endless conflicts that culminated in the break up of tge soviet union and disaster in Afghanistan.  Other agendas may have possibly been better global strategic military positioning.

But whatever the case it had very little to do with anything other than money.

That is merely my opinion. I'm not a huge military history buff, at least not Vietnam war-era history. So as someone who's read a little about it, watched a little about it. Heard it discussed on the news as a child..   thats my uninformed,  totally subjective opinion on it.

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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2025, 05:13:37 PM »
I remember watching something about it, I really don’t know much about it. But, I thought it was interesting how it started almost immediately after World War Two with France trying to hold onto its colonial possessions. Then we finagled our way in and the rest is history.

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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2025, 05:20:13 PM »
I remember watching something about it, I really don’t know much about it. But, I thought it was interesting how it started almost immediately after World War Two with France trying to hold onto its colonial possessions. Then we finagled our way in and the rest is history.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2025, 06:00:16 PM »
I think it was just another unjust war we involved ourselves in. One that mainly benefited political insiders and the military industrial complex.

The same communist regime that thousands of Americans once died fighting is now considered a friend. Simply because we see China as a bigger threat.

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« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2025, 06:09:33 PM »
My uncle was a gunner on the back of a jeep.

Other than that, I don’t know much about the war.
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« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2025, 06:17:32 PM »
My friend John came back from ‘Nam and went back few years later to save some  POW.
Some people know him by last name Rambo.

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« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2025, 08:22:43 PM »
Jesse Ventura said it was child abuse sending young kids there, couldn't even buy a beer when back.

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2025, 08:36:29 PM »
WATCHING A netflix series on this.

interesting.


what areany of the US peoole on heres views of the vietnam war? genuinely interested.

Well - since the Gulf of Tonkin was a total fckn lie and NEVER HAPPENED… I am not a big fan of the war. Lost an uncle and my dad got pretty fckd up. I remember being a kid and seeing the choppers leaving and people struggling to try and escape with the Americans.

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« Reply #16 on: Today at 03:36:06 AM »
Why dont you Google before you post, save the embarrassment


Why don’t you reread my post and then digest it. I’m not talking about American involvement in the war, but that war itself started brewing there as a French Colony. Then we got dragged in later. 

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« Reply #17 on: Today at 03:57:52 AM »
In context of the time, it made sense to protect South Vietnam from falling to Communist invasion. It had been done successfully in Korea. Laos became communist, so did Cambodia, and Thailand fought communist rebels in the north for many years, so the Domino Theory did have merit.

However, a major difference with Korea were the borders, Korea only had China to the North, but South Vietnam had long borders with Laos and Cambodia stretching the entirety of the country, with which the communists could infiltrate the territory with their own people and weapons. So the war became a counter-insurgency within South Vietnam as well as an invasion from the North with conventional forces.

The only way to win would have been to bomb North Vietnam without limits WW2 style. The US did drop an immense amount of bombs, but they were still limited to specific targets and designated regions, not on the entire country.

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« Reply #18 on: Today at 06:16:46 AM »
In context of the time, it made sense to protect South Vietnam from falling to Communist invasion. It had been done successfully in Korea. Laos became communist, so did Cambodia, and Thailand fought communist rebels in the north for many years, so the Domino Theory did have merit.

However, a major difference with Korea were the borders, Korea only had China to the North, but South Vietnam had long borders with Laos and Cambodia stretching the entirety of the country, with which the communists could infiltrate the territory with their own people and weapons. So the war became a counter-insurgency within South Vietnam as well as an invasion from the North with conventional forces.

The only way to win would have been to bomb North Vietnam without limits WW2 style. The US did drop an immense amount of bombs, but they were still limited to specific targets and designated regions, not on the entire country.

"Over the course of the two decades the US military was in Vietnam, the US dropped an estimated 5 million tons of explosives. That’s twice as much as during the entirety of World War II, and it remains, to this day, the largest bombardment of any single country ever."

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Probably the only thing that could have stopped North Vietnam would have been a full out invasion of North Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. They couldn't have done that due to the (perceived?) threat of nuclear war with China.

The whole thing was a clusterfuck of epic proportions. The craziness never ended. You had

1) A president who had no idea or experience of foreign relations/geopolitics (Johnson)
2) An autistic genius with a love for statistics and "system analysis" who was the main drive behind bodycount (McNamara)
3) A general in charge widely believed to have been a moron or in any case unable to adapt to an insurgency style war (Westmoreland)

I read something that struck me on reddit once, that these were the idiots Von Clausewitz wrote about in "On War".

What else could it have been other than a clusterfuck?

Strategic Hamlet Program (essentially refugee/concentration camps)
M-16 rifle (so prone to jamming when it was introduced, it was more dangerous to US soldiers than the actual enemy)
18 year old kids sent into the jungle in full combat gear to search for an enemy who could hear them from a mile away.
Combat tours limited to one year (by the time the grunts knew what they were doing it was time to go)
Draft that affected only the poor (National Guard/university students and anyone with enough money to pay a doctor, like Donald Trump with his bone spurs, got a deferment)
Project 100,000 aka McNamara's folly (the lowering of standards, allowing 80 IQ Hankins-type soldiers to be recruited and sent to battle where they were turned into mincemeat)
Rainbow herbicides (5,000,000 Vietnamese exposed to Agent Orange, vast tracts of forest/jungle affected, ecological disaster)

Decades later McNamara (who before he was fired by Johnson, had secretly turned against the war and had a mental breakdown) admitted that "we were wrong, terribly wrong".

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« Reply #19 on: Today at 07:00:06 AM »

Why don’t you reread my post and then digest it. I’m not talking about American involvement in the war, but that war itself started brewing there as a French Colony. Then we got dragged in later.
Yes 1955, ten years after World War 2, hardly "almost immediately"

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« Reply #20 on: Today at 07:15:18 AM »
"Over the course of the two decades the US military was in Vietnam, the US dropped an estimated 5 million tons of explosives. That’s twice as much as during the entirety of World War II, and it remains, to this day, the largest bombardment of any single country ever."

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Probably the only thing that could have stopped North Vietnam would have been a full out invasion of North Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. They couldn't have done that due to the (perceived?) threat of nuclear war with China.

The whole thing was a clusterfuck of epic proportions. The craziness never ended. You had

1) A president who had no idea or experience of foreign relations/geopolitics (Johnson)
2) An autistic genius with a love for statistics and "system analysis" who was the main drive behind bodycount (McNamara)
3) A general in charge widely believed to have been a moron or in any case unable to adapt to an insurgency style war (Westmoreland)

I read something that struck me on reddit once, that these were the idiots Von Clausewitz wrote about in "On War".

What else could it have been other than a clusterfuck?

Strategic Hamlet Program (essentially refugee/concentration camps)
M-16 rifle (so prone to jamming when it was introduced, it was more dangerous to US soldiers than the actual enemy)
18 year old kids sent into the jungle in full combat gear to search for an enemy who could hear them from a mile away.
Combat tours limited to one year (by the time the grunts knew what they were doing it was time to go)
Draft that affected only the poor (National Guard/university students and anyone with enough money to pay a doctor, like Donald Trump with his bone spurs, got a deferment)
Project 100,000 aka McNamara's folly (the lowering of standards, allowing 80 IQ Hankins-type soldiers to be recruited and sent to battle where they were turned into mincemeat)
Rainbow herbicides (5,000,000 Vietnamese exposed to Agent Orange, vast tracts of forest/jungle affected, ecological disaster)

Decades later McNamara (who before he was fired by Johnson, had secretly turned against the war and had a mental breakdown) admitted that "we were wrong, terribly wrong".

I'm aware of the amount of bombs used, but the issue was the limited zones they were allowed to bomb and what they were allowed to in North Vietnam itself.

Cities were not allowed to be indiscriminately carpet bombed and wiped out as in WW2, nor their infrastructure later on.

Because of the limited areas, the NV would heavily concentrate their anti-aircraft defences in specific zones which US aircraft would go into using the same flight path.

If the same approach was used as in WW2, the North would have been wiped out with far more millions dead from firebombing and zero infrastucure or industries left.

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« Reply #21 on: Today at 07:21:37 AM »
My kitchen table and chairs bought 20+ years ago is made in Vietnam out of rubber tree.

Rubber tree is a hardwood.

https://www.thewoodworkplace.com/what-is-rubberwood/

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« Reply #22 on: Today at 07:31:03 AM »
hes asking about Vietnam not the Civil War
After all these years I still sometimes don`t realize how I am setting myself up!!   LOL  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: Today at 07:33:27 AM »
After all these years I still sometimes don`t realize how I am setting myself up!!   LOL  ;D

What was it like at Gettysburg, wes?

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« Reply #24 on: Today at 07:35:06 AM »
What was it like at Gettysburg, wes?
Stop it Nat!!   :D