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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2025, 08:14:19 PM »
I have never been really religous and had a belief in a God as I was brought up Catholic and it didnt make sense to me from a scientic point (walking on water and feeding 5000 with a couple loaves and fish, also the virgin birth).

Lately I have beeen toying with the concept of a higher power or creator

This struck a cord for some reason

I wish this could have gone on longer but the asshole host probably wanted to know the girls bodycount



Are you trying to find an alternative to a deity as a source of morality?

I was always of the view that if the only thing holding back a person from committing immoral acts, by any reasonable definition of the word, is a man-made deity, that person is a piece of shit.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2025, 08:17:00 PM »
Why are you here… and why wouldn’t you be? There was a dust cloud in space a few billion years ago. Now you are sitting there typing on Getbig. Explain how the fuck that happened!

That doesn't imply there is a god, you retard. There is no god and never was.

And the Eastern Orthodox deity you and the rest of the abominable Russkiy-mir believe in is so infantile as to be laughable. A god by peasants for peasants.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2025, 10:38:29 PM »
One favorite writer of mine has this basic concept which many here have already mentioned.

Why The Concept Of ‘Evil’ Is A Bad Idea

By Jim Goad

*snippet*

"I strongly suspect that what any given group or individual defines as “good” is nothing more profound than something that ensures their survival. The flip side of that coin is that whatever threatens their survival is “evil” to them.

And that’s the only constant with this ubiquitous and simplistic notion of good and evil—it’s good if it keeps me alive, and it’s bad if it kills me. That’s why I suspect that in every war throughout history, every combatant on every side thought they were the good guy trying to kill all the bad guys.

And did you notice that since they’re killing the bad guys, it’s not murder—or at least it’s not really bad? No, it’s justified. In other words, it’s good.

Whenever they write history books, it’s a miraculous coincidence that the bad guys always wind up losing. And what’s ironic is that by definition, those who win wars are not those with the best morals or the loftiest ideology, but those who are the better killers."

"Throughout most cultures, there’s an idea that it’s wrong to murder another human being—the only variable is that no cultures seem to agree with one another on who exactly is a human being. Are they one of us? OK, then they’re human. Are they one of them? Then it’s not murder if you kill them."

https://thought.is/why-the-concept-of-evil-is-a-bad-idea/

One feature of the justice system is framing deeds as good or evil, that every decent person innately knows what's wrong and right, good and evil. We also have a strong need to be able blame someone, so we don't want to hear about genetic or environmental factors that may have shaped an individual to do "evil." What we want is Justice, but maybe what we really want is just Revenge? We want blood, we want suffering. But I don't know if the justice system could be created otherwise and still sate our needs. Just some thoughts, I don't have fully formed opinions on this... 8)

Since Amalekites were mentioned in the article. We see different conceptions of morality play out in the ME. The only problem might be the hipocrisy, they always taught us we have a common moral obligation, like never kill "innocents," or women and children. Of course what an "innocent" is is of course open to interpretation and pretty meaningless unless defined.


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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #53 on: August 10, 2025, 01:25:55 AM »
Why are you here… and why wouldn’t you be? There was a dust cloud in space a few billion years ago. Now you are sitting there typing on Getbig. Explain how the fuck that happened!
in the end what all creationists/god believers resort to...  god of the gaps fallacy...



that's why it's pointless to ever debate a creationist. Because the basis of their thought process(or lack of it) is simplistic and flawed fundamentally. Anything they don't understand and don't see a childlike clear path their answer will always be "then god did it, because you can't fully explain it"

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #54 on: August 10, 2025, 02:09:00 AM »
Are you trying to find an alternative to a deity as a source of morality?

I was always of the view that if the only thing holding back a person from committing immoral acts, by any reasonable definition of the word, is a man-made deity, that person is a piece of shit.

No, Im trying to find out if there is a source of morality or if its just learned behaviour.

What makes these people wrong is it that we have learned that its wrong or becaus they have learned it it makes it right to them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simbari_people

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Male rites of passage[edit]
Maku: This is the first rite of passage for the boys. They are separated from their mothers at this stage and participate in bloodletting (where long sticks are inserted up their nostrils to make them bleed), therefore ridding themselves of their mothers' presence in them. The Simbari people do not believe that males are born with semen and so, during Maku, the boys participate in fellatio. They are also required to undergo a strict diet during this time period, which is from age 7–10.

To me this is fucking disgusting and should be stamped out, but apart from Western society beleives or has learned its wrong what makes it wrong?



To them its perfectly normal.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2025, 02:10:31 AM »
in the end what all creationists/god believers resort to...  god of the gaps fallacy...



that's why it's pointless to ever debate a creationist. Because the basis of their thought process(or lack of it) is simplistic and flawed fundamentally. Anything they don't understand and don't see a childlike clear path their answer will always be "then god did it, because you can't fully explain it"


and if an evolutionist cant explain it they just say "we came from monkeys"

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2025, 02:51:58 AM »
thoughts?

ahahahhaahahahah my   godddd :D :D :D :D

the guy who thinks dirty about his own daughter and commented about it on getbig talking about " morals "

shut the fuck up you son of a bore ...no wonder  whorish american females breeds guy like josfilth

drug addicted pedo worshiper incest piece of shit  ;D ;D

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2025, 03:04:53 AM »
ahahahhaahahahah my   godddd :D :D :D :D

the guy who thinks dirty about his own daughter and commented about it on getbig talking about " morals "

shut the fuck up you son of a bore ...no wonder  whorish american females breeds guy like josfilth

drug addicted pedo worshiper incest piece of shit  ;D ;D

are your kids ugly?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2025, 03:07:36 AM »
and if an evolutionist cant explain it they just say "we came from monkeys"

by DNA sequencing we can today see how evolution was right and that we are closely related to apes. We are in fact just evolved apes

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2025, 03:23:56 AM »
by DNA sequencing we can today see how evolution was right and that we are closely related to apes. We are in fact just evolved apes

Our DNA is closer to a Salmon than a chimpanzee

we also share 90% with cats

did we come from cats as well?

You are blinkered and wont listen to any argument, we have already established that with your behaviour earlier in refusing to watch a 4 minute video

Imagine being so set in your ways that you refuse to listen to an alternative viewpoint than your own

You must have listened to someone else to hold the worldview you have now, why do you think you are right?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2025, 03:24:47 AM »
nowadays we use abortion clinics for that. 
Perhaps they should be kept alive and used a s bait support on this site ?
afte reading dj181s post I suspect that already happening

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2025, 03:37:47 AM »
Annoyingly, I think about this a lot, and it keeps me up at night. I've also been led down hazy deistic paths before. To attempt to sketch out my current thoughts, I'd begin with the acknowledgement that a theory of nature should have empirical observations. And so in looking at morality from a naturalistic perspective, I observe its rudiments in other species, e.g., our ape cousins displaying culture and an understanding of fairness, and elephants displaying empathy and even what looks like mourning, to give two examples.

This suggests to me that morality is an evolved process that enhances group survival and facilitates cooperation, which then promotes gene propagation. A moral faculty is part of our genetic endowment and it develops much in the same way that other aspects of our physiology develop, meaning that it is mediated heavily by environment. It is therefore not merely learned behavior. Infants are endowed with an intuitive sense of right and wrong, and many variables will affect how this faculty develops - perhaps similar to the way in which nutrition affects one's pre-determined height.
 
As to whether an evolutionary account of morality supports or undermines its objectivity and one can say that moral judgements are true, it's complicated. One can take the view that if other species and human cultures have different moral adaptations, then relativism wins and we cannot say what is right.

On this point, I don't think that it's correct to say that different species have different moral adaptations. Rather, moral thinking presents itself once a species reaches a certain level of intelligence and social complexity. The more advanced the brain, the more sophisticated the moral reasoning, so it is not that, say, insects have evolved a different adaptation; rather, they simply haven't evolved enough to have any moral faculty at all, and in fact elementary morality looks rather uniform across all intelligent species.

I don't accept the idea that morality is merely preference. It's not only a diminution of our most deeply held convictions, but I also recognize that my moral conclusions do not always align with my preferences or emotions. Personally, I rarely have much empathy for other men. I'd quite like to torture and kill many of them. However, I realize that this is wrong, and I would not want to live in a society where this is viewed as acceptable behavior.

There are clearly differences in our moral sensitivity due to different neurological tuning, but I hold that we can arrive at moral truth through our capacity to reason and our rational reflection on morally relevant traits. And on this point I also reject that idea that moral consideration should only be given to other rational agents: hence my annoying commitment to vegetarianism.

I'm not yet sure if all of this is consistent, and I may well change my mind, but one day when I've saved enough money and I can retire from my current job, I'd love to formally study ethics and develop my thoughts further - especially in regard to our treatment of other species.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2025, 03:47:00 AM »
Annoyingly, I think about this a lot, and it keeps me up at night. I've also been led down hazy deistic paths before. To attempt to sketch out my current thoughts, I'd begin with the acknowledgement that a theory of nature should have empirical observations. And so in looking at morality from a naturalistic perspective, I observe its rudiments in other species, e.g., our ape cousins displaying culture and an understanding of fairness, and elephants displaying empathy and even what looks like mourning, to give two examples.

This suggests to me that morality is an evolved process that enhances group survival and facilitates cooperation, which then promotes gene propagation. A moral faculty is part of our genetic endowment and it develops much in the same way that other aspects of our physiology develop, meaning that it is mediated heavily by environment. It is therefore not merely learned behavior. Infants are endowed with an intuitive sense of right and wrong, and many variables will affect how this faculty develops - perhaps similar to the way in which nutrition affects one's pre-determined height.
 
As to whether an evolutionary account of morality supports or undermines its objectivity and one can say that moral judgements are true, it's complicated. One can take the view that if other species and human cultures have different moral adaptations, then relativism wins and we cannot say what is right.

On this point, I don't think that it's correct to say that different species have different moral adaptations. Rather, moral thinking presents itself once a species reaches a certain level of intelligence and social complexity. The more advanced the brain, the more sophisticated the moral reasoning, so it is not that, say, insects have evolved a different adaptation; rather, they simply haven't evolved enough to have any moral faculty at all, and in fact elementary morality looks rather uniform across all intelligent species.

I don't accept the idea that morality is merely preference. It's not only a diminution of our most deeply held convictions, but I also recognize that my moral conclusions do not always align with my preferences or emotions. Personally, I rarely have much empathy for other men. I'd quite like to torture and kill many of them. However, I realize that this is wrong, and I would not want to live in a society where this is viewed as acceptable behavior.

There are clearly differences in our moral sensitivity due to different neurological tuning, but I hold that we can arrive at moral truth through our capacity to reason and our rational reflection on morally relevant traits. And on this point I also reject that idea that moral consideration should only be given to other rational agents: hence my annoying commitment to vegetarianism.

I'm not yet sure if all of this is consistent, and I may well change my mind, but one day when I've saved enough money and I can retire from my current job, I'd love to formally study ethics and develop my thoughts further - especially in regard to our treatment of other species.


Jesus Christ dude! English do you speak it? That whole passage just went right over my head😂😂😂

And to that shitheads blowshit claims I would ever ever harm a child is a complete and total fuckking lie

I would NEVER EVER EVER HARM A CHILD or touch them in a sexualized way as he constantly implies

Tell ya what I would do though if I ever crossed paths with him I would beat him so very badly that he would end up in a hospital or possibly just unalive him 😉

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2025, 03:51:09 AM »
Annoyingly, I think about this a lot, and it keeps me up at night. I've also been led down hazy deistic paths before. To attempt to sketch out my current thoughts, I'd begin with the acknowledgement that a theory of nature should have empirical observations. And so in looking at morality from a naturalistic perspective, I observe its rudiments in other species, e.g., our ape cousins displaying culture and an understanding of fairness, and elephants displaying empathy and even what looks like mourning, to give two examples.

This suggests to me that morality is an evolved process that enhances group survival and facilitates cooperation, which then promotes gene propagation. A moral faculty is part of our genetic endowment and it develops much in the same way that other aspects of our physiology develop, meaning that it is mediated heavily by environment. It is therefore not merely learned behavior. Infants are endowed with an intuitive sense of right and wrong, and many variables will affect how this faculty develops - perhaps similar to the way in which nutrition affects one's pre-determined height.
 
As to whether an evolutionary account of morality supports or undermines its objectivity and one can say that moral judgements are true, it's complicated. One can take the view that if other species and human cultures have different moral adaptations, then relativism wins and we cannot say what is right.

On this point, I don't think that it's correct to say that different species have different moral adaptations. Rather, moral thinking presents itself once a species reaches a certain level of intelligence and social complexity. The more advanced the brain, the more sophisticated the moral reasoning, so it is not that, say, insects have evolved a different adaptation; rather, they simply haven't evolved enough to have any moral faculty at all, and in fact elementary morality looks rather uniform across all intelligent species.

I don't accept the idea that morality is merely preference. It's not only a diminution of our most deeply held convictions, but I also recognize that my moral conclusions do not always align with my preferences or emotions. Personally, I rarely have much empathy for other men. I'd quite like to torture and kill many of them. However, I realize that this is wrong, and I would not want to live in a society where this is viewed as acceptable behavior.

There are clearly differences in our moral sensitivity due to different neurological tuning, but I hold that we can arrive at moral truth through our capacity to reason and our rational reflection on morally relevant traits. And on this point I also reject that idea that moral consideration should only be given to other rational agents: hence my annoying commitment to vegetarianism.

I'm not yet sure if all of this is consistent, and I may well change my mind, but one day when I've saved enough money and I can retire from my current job, I'd love to formally study ethics and develop my thoughts further - especially in regard to our treatment of other species.
Finally, a rational response

the bolded bit

We either base or morals on the current consensus or we are the arbitor of morals based on our personal preferences

I agree that murder is wrong morally but if society decides that its not, but I as an individual still do then my morals are simply my personal preferences.
Now what do I put the origins of my personal preferences down to?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2025, 03:52:10 AM »

Jesus Christ dude! English do you speak it? That whole passage just went right over my head😂😂😂

And to that shitheads blowshit claims I would ever ever harm a child is a complete and total fuckking lie

I would NEVER EVER EVER HARM A CHILD or touch them in a sexualized way as he constantly implies

Tell ya what I would do though if I ever crossed paths with him I would beat him so very badly that he would end up in a hospital or possibly just unalive him 😉

get out of this thread you fucking pedo, its not for you

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2025, 04:37:19 AM »
Our DNA is closer to a Salmon than a chimpanzee

that is just factually wrong you're a clown
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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2025, 04:52:57 AM »
I don't think morals are in our DNA. I think most people's morals will be formed by some combination of society, religion, and family.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2025, 04:59:03 AM »
Finally, a rational response

the bolded bit

We either base or morals on the current consensus or we are the arbitor of morals based on our personal preferences

I agree that murder is wrong morally but if society decides that its not, but I as an individual still do then my morals are simply my personal preferences.
Now what do I put the origins of my personal preferences down to?

I guess that what you're attempting to explore is the question of if you have arrived at a moral conclusion, e.g., murder is wrong, which seems to go against the prevailing wisdom of society, what is the ultimate source of that conclusion?  Is this a mere personal preference similar to the way in which you might state that you prefer coffee whereas others prefer tea, or have you arrived at a moral truth? If it is indeed a moral truth, is it true in the sense of it being simply what rational, impartial agents would agree to once unfettered from bias and environmental influence, or is it true in the sense of it really existing as part of the external universe and we discover it, similar to your point about mathematics, thereby implying a creator?

For me, it is such a horribly complex question, and as human beings we likely just aren't very well equipped to make sense of it all, but I don't currently think we need to view it as implying a creator in the sense you're arguing for. I think that's needlessly anthropomorphizing the metaphysical.

When I, let's say, pick up 1 stone then pick up another stone to have 2 stones, I'm observing a regularity of reality and I can use mathematical language to express that and to articulate patterns that I see. I may not ever comprehend fundamental reality, but I don't ask 'who is the God of math?' any more than I ask 'who is the God of gravity?' Personally, my current view is that math is what we do in response to observing patterns, but if it really is out there as a fundamental aspect of nature, I don't feel that I'd get any further to understanding it all by bringing in God.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2025, 05:25:26 AM »
Why are you here… and why wouldn’t you be? There was a dust cloud in space a few billion years ago. Now you are sitting there typing on Getbig. Explain how the fuck that happened!

Here is something to consider :   What if there really is a god?  Who created all this.  But it isn't YOUR god.  In fact, it isn't even a god that has ever existed in any culture at any time on planet Earth.  Now what?  Every religion in the world is now blasphemy.  Or is it?

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2025, 05:41:32 AM »
that is just factually wrong you're a clown
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Is salmon DNA close to human DNA?
What is Salmon DNA? As we age, the mechanisms of cell renewal and repair in our cells deteriorate, one of the most important reasons being the breakdown and insufficient functioning of our DNA repair system with age. Salmon DNA is the DNA most similar to human DNA found in nature.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2025, 05:44:45 AM »
are your kids ugly?

like i said only a pedophile like you will see a child as " ugly " or " beautiful "

just like pedophile trump who want to penitrate his  OWN daughter you also wanted to
penetrate your daughter and commented here your dirty thinking about her

so you  not only like  incest you are a pedophile too  ;D ;D

  pedophile incest loving american pill whore  :D




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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2025, 05:44:58 AM »
I guess that what you're attempting to explore is the question of if you have arrived at a moral conclusion, e.g., murder is wrong, which seems to go against the prevailing wisdom of society, what is the ultimate source of that conclusion?  Is this a mere personal preference similar to the way in which you might state that you prefer coffee whereas others prefer tea, or have you arrived at a moral truth? If it is indeed a moral truth, is it true in the sense of it being simply what rational, impartial agents would agree to once unfettered from bias and environmental influence, or is it true in the sense of it really existing as part of the external universe and we discover it, similar to your point about mathematics, thereby implying a creator?

For me, it is such a horribly complex question, and as human beings we likely just aren't very well equipped to make sense of it all, but I don't currently think we need to view it as implying a creator in the sense you're arguing for. I think that's needlessly anthropomorphizing the metaphysical.

When I, let's say, pick up 1 stone then pick up another stone to have 2 stones, I'm observing a regularity of reality and I can use mathematical language to express that and to articulate patterns that I see. I may not ever comprehend fundamental reality, but I don't ask 'who is the God of math?' any more than I ask 'who is the God of gravity?' Personally, my current view is that math is what we do in response to observing patterns, but if it really is out there as a fundamental aspect of nature, I don't feel that I'd get any further to understanding it all by bringing in God.

I think the curse of humans is that we have the capacity to contemplate the existance of a God/higher power but we are not blessed with the knowledge to ever establish it to be true or not.

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2025, 05:46:03 AM »
like i said only a pedophile like you will see a child as " ugly " or " beautiful "

just like pedophile trump who want to penitrate his  OWN daughter you also wanted to
penetrate your daughter and commented here your dirty thinking about her

so you  not only like  incest you are a pedophile too  ;D ;D

  pedophile incest loving american pill whore  :D

You dont know if your kids are ugly or not?

Amazing

Ask your wife if you cant work it out....

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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2025, 06:51:29 AM »
Annoyingly, I think about this a lot, and it keeps me up at night. I've also been led down hazy deistic paths before. To attempt to sketch out my current thoughts, I'd begin with the acknowledgement that a theory of nature should have empirical observations. And so in looking at morality from a naturalistic perspective, I observe its rudiments in other species, e.g., our ape cousins displaying culture and an understanding of fairness, and elephants displaying empathy and even what looks like mourning, to give two examples.

This suggests to me that morality is an evolved process that enhances group survival and facilitates cooperation, which then promotes gene propagation. A moral faculty is part of our genetic endowment and it develops much in the same way that other aspects of our physiology develop, meaning that it is mediated heavily by environment. It is therefore not merely learned behavior. Infants are endowed with an intuitive sense of right and wrong, and many variables will affect how this faculty develops - perhaps similar to the way in which nutrition affects one's pre-determined height.
 
As to whether an evolutionary account of morality supports or undermines its objectivity and one can say that moral judgements are true, it's complicated. One can take the view that if other species and human cultures have different moral adaptations, then relativism wins and we cannot say what is right.

On this point, I don't think that it's correct to say that different species have different moral adaptations. Rather, moral thinking presents itself once a species reaches a certain level of intelligence and social complexity. The more advanced the brain, the more sophisticated the moral reasoning, so it is not that, say, insects have evolved a different adaptation; rather, they simply haven't evolved enough to have any moral faculty at all, and in fact elementary morality looks rather uniform across all intelligent species.

I don't accept the idea that morality is merely preference. It's not only a diminution of our most deeply held convictions, but I also recognize that my moral conclusions do not always align with my preferences or emotions. Personally, I rarely have much empathy for other men. I'd quite like to torture and kill many of them. However, I realize that this is wrong, and I would not want to live in a society where this is viewed as acceptable behavior.

There are clearly differences in our moral sensitivity due to different neurological tuning, but I hold that we can arrive at moral truth through our capacity to reason and our rational reflection on morally relevant traits. And on this point I also reject that idea that moral consideration should only be given to other rational agents: hence my annoying commitment to vegetarianism.

I'm not yet sure if all of this is consistent, and I may well change my mind, but one day when I've saved enough money and I can retire from my current job, I'd love to formally study ethics and develop my thoughts further - especially in regard to our treatment of other species.

Great post Phantom, enjoyed it 

And yes your reasoning feels consistent to me, essentially based in the bolded bits which, to your subsequent post, does not necessarily require a higher power


Side note, going from this:

This suggests to me that morality is an evolved process that enhances group survival and facilitates cooperation, which then promotes gene propagation. A moral faculty is part of our genetic endowment and it develops much in the same way that other aspects of our physiology develop, meaning that it is mediated heavily by environment.

To this:

And to that shitheads blowshit claims I would ever ever harm a child is a complete and total fuckking lie

Was quite a jolt and encapsulated getbig in a nutshell  :D


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Re: Where does your moral compass come from?
« Reply #74 on: August 10, 2025, 07:12:21 AM »

reconsider your google ad sources  :-\

fish over the broad spectrum share 70% dna with humans.
Cows 80%
Cats 90%

Chimpanzee ~99%