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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2006, 05:12:20 PM »
It's good to see people are taking this thread so seriously, because it was meant to be a serious thread, if it's alright for guys like the picture below to represent the industry, it just tells me that no one, the IFBB officials and the "athletes rep" included gives a shit.............




Uh, this is bbing. NOBODY takes this seriously.
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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2006, 05:18:34 PM »
Uh, this is bbing. NOBODY takes this seriously.

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2006, 05:37:55 PM »
It's good to see people are taking this thread so seriously, because it was meant to be a serious thread, if it's alright for guys like the picture below to represent the industry, it just tells me that no one, the IFBB officials and the "athletes rep" included gives a shit.............




Doesn't that photo just scream "dignity"?... ;D
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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2006, 06:44:57 PM »
I'm not legal consul for IFBB pro's...they are free to use their rights to do whatever they wish...suing included.

If King wishes to bring a libel/slander suit against Rob...thats his choice. The minute Rob decided he wanted to be a "public figure" like the rest of us pro's on here who post under our real names...he forfeited the right to remain anonymous....He's in the same boat we are as far as I'm concerned.

Now he can be held accountable for his actions...He better hope King doesn't have a summons slapped on him, as he would have to hire a lawyer, etc.....King has a unlimited resource to bring an action...I know Rob doesn't. With a business that pays him minimum wage, and a baby on the way...I'm not so sure Rob can afford to defend himself and spend thousands of dollars on a defense. King can..

Oh well....be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.



I love this. So King would waste significant money/time/effort to sue Rob who has little to no money? Ok so say even if King is successful, which is unlikely, the court would give nominal damages. Or in the event they don't King would be unlikely to see any money anyway. You can't sue a straw person

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2006, 06:47:15 PM »
I love this. So King would waste significant money/time/effort to sue Rob who has little to no money? Ok so say even if King is successful, which is unlikely, the court would give nominal damages. Or in the event they don't King would be unlikely to see any money anyway. You can't sue a straw person

I'd bury my $ in the garden, declare bankruptcy and send a nice check to CHOC in King's name :)


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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2006, 07:10:01 PM »
King is an idiot. It is extremely difficult to sue someone for libel. Pretty much everything 240 has said on this board would be protected by the First Amendment. People make malicious and defamatory statements all the time without having to worry about being sued for libel.
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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2006, 07:23:12 PM »
I'd bury my $ in the garden, declare bankruptcy and send a nice check to CHOC in King's name :)



I have no idea about the US, but here I hold all my real estate and other assets in a trust. Just in case some moron croaks under the squat rack at my gym I can't have my entire net worth ripped out from me.

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2006, 09:59:21 PM »
I'm not legal consul for IFBB pro's...they are free to use their rights to do whatever they wish...suing included.

If King wishes to bring a libel/slander suit against Rob...thats his choice. The minute Rob decided he wanted to be a "public figure" like the rest of us pro's on here who post under our real names...he forfeited the right to remain anonymous....He's in the same boat we are as far as I'm concerned.

Now he can be held accountable for his actions...He better hope King doesn't have a summons slapped on him, as he would have to hire a lawyer, etc.....King has a unlimited resource to bring an action...I know Rob doesn't. With a business that pays him minimum wage, and a baby on the way...I'm not so sure Rob can afford to defend himself and spend thousands of dollars on a defense. King can..

Oh well....be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.



Rob isn't a public figure and never will be.  He's a loser that makes ugly websites and punks guys who shouldn't give a flippin S about a word he says but yet you fall for his antics time and time again.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

If Klown whatever even filed a frivoulous claim against Rob, he & his attorney would be sanctioned to no end and it wouldn't matter what Rob spent because the court would get it back to him and then some.  If the frivoulous plaintiff couldn't come up with the cash then the defendant, 240, would be able to put a lien on his home to secure the court's order.  Cool huh?  That's how bogus lawsuits work in America... how dare you.

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2006, 10:05:00 PM »
Rob isn't a public figure and never will be.  He's a loser that makes ugly websites and punks guys who shouldn't give a flippin S about a word he says but yet you fall for his antics time and time again.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

If Klown whatever even filed a frivoulous claim against Rob, he & his attorney would be sanctioned to no end and it wouldn't matter what Rob spent because the court would get it back to him and then some.  If the frivoulous plaintiff couldn't come up with the cash then the defendant, 240, would be able to put a lien on his home to secure the court's order.  Cool huh?  That's how bogus lawsuits work in America... how dare you.


LOL...sanctioned by who...the IFBB??

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2006, 10:07:14 PM »
LOL...sanctioned by who...the IFBB??

Oh my friggin god. 

Sanctioned by the Court, the Judge... means whip out your checkbook.

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2006, 10:11:23 PM »
Oh my friggin god. 

Sanctioned by the Court, the Judge... means whip out your checkbook.

He should be sanctioned by the IFBB as well...seriously!

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Re: Athletes Rep
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2006, 10:12:35 PM »
He should be sanctioned by the IFBB as well...seriously!

Yeah I hear ya on that one but Muscletech will probably give him a raise and hire the bozo giving legal critique in this thread.  Must've learned a lot about the law transfering prisoners from cell to cell and telling drunks it was time to go home now..

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2006, 10:20:05 PM »
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THE "ATHLETE" for his or her actions that would be detrimental to the organization itself.  Bottom line......there needs to be some sort of a high moral industry (no threats, no riskay photoshoots, no calling out a judge, etc,etc you get the point) standard and fines to be set.


Well - hence the situation. Kamali and other bodybuilders can do whatever they want, and have fun on the boards, in magazine articles, at the expo. So can others.  But the sport is like the WWE, like many other sports in which you can yell and scream and complaing or like your favorite player in the sport, and have fan pages on them, or fan pages against them.

Now, as for photoshoots, calling out a judge, etc, these are a little different. If someone can get a lot of money for photoshoots (whether they are gay or not), then it happens. We may not like it, but there is money to be made. The same goes for porn shoots. People do not like it, but it is a 10 billion dollar industry. Same with nudity.

Can you imagine the uproar with Hollywood's actresses actually made movies that showed nudity in it. Wow - there would be an uproar. Wait a minute, doesnt that happen like in almost every R-rated movie. Get over that.

Now calling out a judge is different. You want to ask why you didnt place well, no problem. You want to yell, scream, and hit a judge - you are gone

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IFBB Rulebook Q
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2006, 10:20:30 PM »
Bob made the IFBB's position very clear about what will happen to Lee & Vince when they do the NOC.  They are breaking an IFBB rule, and he assured us that there are NO EXCEPTIONS made for athletes who break the IFBB's rules. Fair enough.

My Q is, what does the IFBB rulebook say about professional conduct?  I know there are several top IFBB ladies who do pornographic movies, as well as other IFBB guys who do carry themselves in society in a less than professional manner.

Bob, will the IFBB only be selectively enforcing the rulebook this fall? 

And to the legal minds around here- does lee have a case?  Pretend Lee sues the IFBB for banning him from the O.  He says that X does porn or Y threatened someone with assault.  Both violations of the same rulebook punishing lee.  Can a nonprofit org selectievly enforce its rules?  I'm serious here, I don't know.

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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2006, 10:23:45 PM »
thats about the damn truth this kind of thing is why the PDI came about anyway








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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2006, 10:28:38 PM »
I even said this to Lee himself.

With his record of being the most fined athlete with the IFBB he would be the ideal candidate for the IFBB to discipline and show the others that even one of the top guys are not exempt from the rules.  It would be easy to claim after all his fines and warnings this was the next logical step.  Then they can issue a few statements or notes of disciplinary action to others whom the feel need to "toe the line" a little more ie Denise Masino.  But in their graciousness they could easily give the athletes time to discuss revisions to the rules to be more fair and help the athletes make a better living for themselves.  If they so desired the IFBB could use the few who do step on the PDI stage as scapegoats and make themselves look better in court.

I wouldn't put it past them and I support the IFBB.

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Re: IFBB Rulebook Q
« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2006, 10:31:34 PM »
Guys are still going to be in great shape come O time.  They all qualified for a reason ;)

They're going to stand at the side of the stage and ask why they can't compete.

They'll be informed that they broke IFBB rules.  They will look around and see 40 other athletes who also broke IFBB rules. 

The fans will wonder why they can't see a fan favorite from the 90s (vince) and today (lee).

We'll wonder too.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2006, 10:37:04 PM »
Simple - some rules are more relevant than others. Like here on Getbig. I take racism, malicious bashing, and other issue more than some others. Same with the IFBB. Jumping and competing in another federation is the number one violation. What you do on your own time is something different. You either promote the IFBB or not. Whether you and I like that issue is mute, you don't need to join the IFBB, it is on a yearly basis whether you renew it or not.


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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2006, 10:37:39 PM »


 

Now, as for photoshoots, calling out a judge, etc, these are a little different. If someone can get a lot of money for photoshoots (whether they are gay or not), then it happens. We may not like it, but there is money to be made. The same goes for porn shoots. People do not like it, but it is a 10 billion dollar industry. Same with nudity.




Keep the porn in the porn industry and the bodybuilding in the bodybuilding industry...simple as that. If a pro is caught doing porn or posing in provocative positions fine and suspend them, clean up the industry and make it more appealing and legit. As for actors and actresses, you cannot compare that to the bodybuilding industry and believe it or not SAG and AFTRA also have an guidelines that the actors have to follow. If your going to call bodybuilding a "sport" then treat it as such.......HOLD THE "ATHLETES" ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS!

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2006, 10:40:54 PM »
Are Titus & Ryan suspended from the IFBB?


Cause if not, that would mean that standing on DeMilia's stage is, in their book, worse than burning your own car with a torture victim inside then bragging about it to your friends. Allegedly.  Oh, and MSNBC won't be covering the 'Priest Saga'.

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2006, 11:07:33 PM »
What about holding promoters accountable for their poor taste in productions - ala 2004 NOC?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/strip.htm
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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2006, 11:16:39 PM »
What about holding promoters accountable for their poor taste in productions - ala 2004 NOC?

Some would say it's better to hold a show that lacks style than say, a show that lack sponsors.  *cough*Winston*

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2006, 11:27:12 PM »
What about holding promoters accountable for their poor taste in productions - ala 2004 NOC?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/strip.htm

Or how about shows that obviously lost money due to poor attendance and lack of sponsorship money yet the promoters tell everyone how successful it was and that everyone was happy and they've signed two more years to give the illusion it will 100% happen in the next two years. 

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2006, 11:31:05 PM »
What about holding promoters accountable for their poor taste in productions - ala 2004 NOC?

http://www.getbig.com/pics/noc/2004/strip.htm

I just looked at those pics.  I thought you were making fun.  That was great.  The NOC is always entertaining.  But this year it will take entertainment in BB to a whole new level. 

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Re: Athletes Rep - hold athletes accountable
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2006, 11:32:45 PM »
Or how about shows that obviously lost money due to poor attendance and lack of sponsorship money yet the promoters tell everyone how successful it was and that everyone was happy and they've signed two more years to give the illusion it will 100% happen in the next two years. 
Ah Keith, I know I can always count on you with a good Shawn Ray jab.

If a show used a facility that only held 1,500, the promoters could have said it sold out too, as we all know you will chime in and say this about the NOC after the show.

You should be more concerned about what you've attached your name to and help it get sponsors vs worrying about a show that already took place.  :o
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