Author Topic: 2006 PDI / X-Treme challenge expo canceled (Read 24926 times)

Chick · « **Reply #75 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:27:13 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on June 16, 2006, 08:19:52 AM

IMO, when you told the athletes to "make lemonade" then posted many times defending the once-again failed promoter WInston, who for some reason wasn't required to put down the same deposit that Mike had to, for the Charlotte Pro...

That was the cheap shot.

Get it right...

I wasn't defending Winston, I was explaining why the show was cancled...Winston sucks as a promoter, as I stated many times in those posts.

The fans didn't support the show, the sponsors then pulled out...end of show.

The athletes had another show a week away...not the worst case senario.

I submitted previously to the IFBB, a mandate calling for reimbursement from the promoter and/ or the IFBB in just such a case that a show is canceled ....it was denied.

If the athletes cared about their sport and their money...they would show support for these items as they are presented....I'm merely the voice of these athletes...If they don't care, theres not a whole lot of power in my position.

As usual...don't comment on subjects you have no knowledge of.

240 is Back · « **Reply #76 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:32:12 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 16, 2006, 08:27:13 AM

As usual...don't comment on subjects you have no knowledge of.

Fair enough. Do you have any knowledge on why a guy like mike from Bulk Nutrition was required to prepay his 10k fee a full 6 months prior to the show, but Winston- who had failed the same show before- wasn't require to make that payment?

Tre · « **Reply #77 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:32:44 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 16, 2006, 08:19:59 AM

BTW...it's not just Darrem that is owed money...theres about $15-17K still outstanding to the top 5.

Completely unacceptable...it's been over 2 years since that show.

Big N · « **Reply #78 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:35:23 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 14, 2006, 09:05:43 PM

The EXPO was just canceled as of this morning, Einstein....

couldn't tell you jack squat about the re-scheduling of the "qualifier"...as I don't follow the "PDI" saga.

lol that was funny

Chick · « **Reply #79 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:40:19 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on June 16, 2006, 08:32:12 AM

Fair enough. Do you have any knowledge on why a guy like mike from Bulk Nutrition was required to prepay his 10k fee a full 6 months prior to the show, but Winston- who had failed the same show before- wasn't require to make that payment?

No, I don't have any first hand knowledge. If I were to take an educated guess...I would say that because Winston is an official, and has been in the IFBB since it's inception...he was granfathered in as the rule was changed in the last 2 years....If Mike was a first time IFBB promoter, then he would've been held to the new standard.

Personally speaking, I would've required Winston to pony up the money in advance despite the fact, and given the history of the toronto.

240 is Back · « **Reply #80 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:41:33 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 16, 2006, 08:40:19 AM

No, I don't have any first hand knowledge. If I were to take an educated guess...I would say that because Winston is an official, and has been in the IFBB since it's inception...he was granfathered in as the rule was changed in the last 2 years....If Mike was a first time IFBB promoter, then he would've been held to the new standard.

Personally speaking, I would've required Winston to pony up the money in advance despite the fact, and given the history of the toronto.

cool i respect that.

ieffinhatecardio · « **Reply #81 on:** June 16, 2006, 08:41:44 AM »

Quote from: Tre on June 16, 2006, 08:24:17 AM

A lot of people were unhappy - and rightfully so - when this guy's name appeared as the promoter of an NPC event when money was still owed to IFBB competitors. I don't know whether that show ever happened, but then when he showed up as a PDI promoter, too, the PDI's public image took a hit.

I understand it's a catch-22 for him, but as a bodybuilding fan, I would not give that promoter one dollar knowing that he still owed money to past prize winners.

I'd love to know the PDI's rationale on letting this guy promote another show while still have outstanding debts to contestants for other shows he promoted.

What a terrible message it sends.

I'm curious if there is a shortage of promoters willing to step up and take on a bodybuilding show now. From everything I've read none of the shows generate a profit. Why would anyone promote a show knowing they were going to lose money?

Tre · « **Reply #82 on:** June 16, 2006, 09:23:07 AM »

Quote from: ieffinhatecardio on June 16, 2006, 08:41:44 AM

I'd love to know the PDI's rationale on letting this guy promote another show while still have outstanding debts to contestants for other shows he promoted.

What a terrible message it sends.

I'm curious if there is a shortage of promoters willing to step up and take on a bodybuilding show now. From everything I've read none of the shows generate a profit. Why would anyone promote a show knowing they were going to lose money?

I can't believe Wayne was going to allow this guy to promote an event of his. I don't know whether they're still working together, but I would not offer the first iota of support to a promoter who we *know* has ripped off athletes in the past and not yet made good on his promise pay.

The 2nd- and 3rd-tier pro-only events are not profitable because of the fee structure put in place by the IFBB, but each new promoter to come along thinks he has the formula that's going to turn that around. Recent history has taught us that - if your name isn't Arnold or Olympia - you have to have an amateur event with your pro show if you hope to make any money (or even to approach the break-even point).

If Johnny Schmomoter wants to promote an IFBB pro men's event in Any City, USA, he is welcome to do so. But unless he includes an NPC show, I can almost guarantee that event will lose money.

dearth · « **Reply #83 on:** June 16, 2006, 09:48:15 AM »

Chick,
your refusal to address my questions leads me to beleive that you would not like the answers, assuming you'd be honest.

Quote from: dearth on June 15, 2006, 07:00:20 PM

Chick,

what do you think of a pro bodybuilder coming onto your prestigious show to do nothing more than threaten to an "internet nobody" as you so aptly put it? Doesn't your friend have more to worry about than a message board? If you were muscletech would you still sponser a fully grown adult who threatens to fly all over the USA to beat up getbig board members?

Hedgehog · « **Reply #84 on:** June 16, 2006, 10:00:17 AM »

The idea of holding the show in conjunction with other events, as a part of an expo, is a good idea though.

There are aspects on how to make BB contests generate money. I think the mindset should be slightly different, people in the business needs to look at what is making the Arnold drawing big crowds.

Could seminars on nutrition and training be held during the expo? Strongman contests? Powerlifting contests? Benchpress contests?

There is a need to develop the expo approach IMO.

Just doing the contests more exciting by including "interesting" guest posing by a Kai G, a Hot Rod and a Dayana Cadeau with a gigantic gut, ain't gonna cut it.

YIP
Zack

getfast81 · « **Reply #85 on:** June 16, 2006, 11:09:01 AM »

Quote from: Chick on June 16, 2006, 08:16:08 AM

Just reporting the news...as I did with the IFBB Toronto Pro.

Was that a cheap shot as well?

No, but I thought you were the IFBB rep though.

onlyme · « **Reply #86 on:** June 16, 2006, 12:55:30 PM »

From what I understand about this show and this guy is that Wayne is sanctioning his event in an attempt to provide this guy with the means to make the money he needs to pay off his debt to the guys he owes. All money from the ticket sales and entry fees will be used to pay off his debts to the competitors he owes. That is something Wayne has told the guy to do. I think Wayne understands that there is a bad feeling about this guy but also he wants to help the guy pay off his debts and get some kind of reputation back. So, having a show like this could very well generate plenty of money to pay back the IFBB guys he owes.

Now, in reference to the Winston thing and Mike thing. Chic said somethign about Winston being grandfathered in which is fine. But, why wasn't the Colorado Pro required to have the prize money in escrow or deposited into the IFBB account like Mike was. This was a first year show so no way any grandfathering would be instituted.

Tre · « **Reply #87 on:** June 16, 2006, 01:26:54 PM »

I still think it's fishy that the sponsors - not the promoters - were the ones writing the checks to the winners in Colorado. Is that a common practice now?? To my knowledge, the job of collecting from sponsors has always fallen on the promoters and then the promoters would be responsible for ensuring timely payments to all the prize winners.

But, I believe we're all in agreement that the most important thing is that all the Colorado prizes were paid within 15 days.

On to Orlando...

I won't pretend to know any details about Mr. Goad's business finances or his personal situation, but what I *do* know is that he owes about $17,000 to the men who competed in his show TWO YEARS AGO. If he's been incapacitated and unable to work to generate that money in the past two years, hey, I understand...things happen. But IF that is the case, then he has no business promoting another show. You know better than anyone that putting on an expo is not cheap...and from where I sit, if he's got the money to put on another show, then he damn sure has the money to pay what he owes.

He should be taking care of the talent first. Sanctions should not be awarded out of charity...that doesn't fly.

I didn't ask Wayne about this, but if Mr. Goad is still going to be the lead person on the Orlando event, then the question needs to be asked: "When can Darrem expect his check?"

MCWAY · « **Reply #88 on:** June 16, 2006, 01:52:29 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 16, 2006, 08:19:59 AM

I hear what your're saying...but we (NPC/IFBB) have no control of what he does outside of the organization...it's Wayne's call if he wants him on the PDI team.

BTW...it's not just Darrem that is owed money...theres about $15-17K still outstanding to the top 5.

Is that from the same "Xtreme" pro show that Darrem Charles won two years ago?

I got to attend that show, as I live in Florida. It was the first pro show I'd ever seen in person and only the second one I'd seen the day it actually happened (The first was the 1992 WBF Championship, which I saw and recorded on pay-per-view).

BTW, Mr. Chicherillo, didn't you catch one of Ken Jones' hats during his "posing routine"? I think he would have been booed off the stage, had the audience (myself included) not been so busy cracking up.

Tre · « **Reply #89 on:** June 16, 2006, 01:59:47 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 16, 2006, 01:52:29 PM

Is that from the same "Xtreme" pro show that Darrem Charles won two years ago?

That's the one.

MCWAY · « **Reply #90 on:** June 16, 2006, 02:13:54 PM »

Quote from: Tre on June 16, 2006, 01:59:47 PM

That's the one.

They could have paid him in installments and be done by now. OUCH!!!

But, the pressing question is.......Does the 2000 USA champion still have that hat?

Tre · « **Reply #91 on:** June 16, 2006, 03:00:41 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on June 16, 2006, 02:13:54 PM

They could have paid him in installments and be done by now. OUCH!!!

Precisely.

And he could've written off the loss on his taxes, since we're talking about prize money. That alone would been a $5000 savings on his income taxes, so in reality, he'd only have to come up with $12,000.

Pay Darrem his money!!

Chick · « **Reply #92 on:** June 16, 2006, 11:29:42 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on June 16, 2006, 12:55:30 PM

From what I understand about this show and this guy is that Wayne is sanctioning his event in an attempt to provide this guy with the means to make the money he needs to pay off his debt to the guys he owes. All money from the ticket sales and entry fees will be used to pay off his debts to the competitors he owes. That is something Wayne has told the guy to do. I think Wayne understands that there is a bad feeling about this guy but also he wants to help the guy pay off his debts and get some kind of reputation back. So, having a show like this could very well generate plenty of money to pay back the IFBB guys he owes.

Now, in reference to the Winston thing and Mike thing. Chic said somethign about Winston being grandfathered in which is fine. But, why wasn't the Colorado Pro required to have the prize money in escrow or deposited into the IFBB account like Mike was. This was a first year show so no way any grandfathering would be instituted.

The prize money was indeed, placed into a seperate account which was set up just for the show...it was the bank error that was the problem, not Vyotech...all was straightened out, explained by Phil himself, and everyone lived happily ever after.

chris_mason · « **Reply #93 on:** June 17, 2006, 08:41:14 AM »

I have only one thing to say on this matter. I have seen too many contests in both powerlifting and bodybuilding where promised monies were not paid. I have personally been involved in a contest where the money and products I sent were not given out as agreed. It is all bullshit and if a promoter promises money he darn well better pay it. People wonder why the sport is going to pot!

onlyme · « **Reply #94 on:** June 17, 2006, 10:44:07 AM »

I'm wondering about this money owed. Wasn't the money put into an account like other shows. And as the snactioning body of the event, didn't the IFBB make sure the money was there. And why hasn't the IFBB done anythign about this to date. Why don't they sue the promoter. Have they met with the promoter to work out some kind of payment plan. And since the IFBB sanctioned the event the athletes should rely on the IFBB to make they get paid. The IFBB got paid their sanction fee. Why doesn't the IFBB pay the atheltes and then go after the promoter in court. The athletes pay a fee to the IFBB and should rely on them for support when something like this happens. I would think the IFBB would support their members and either legally go after this guy since it is their event or pay the athletes themselves and then go after the promoter. I don't see any kind of support here from the IFBB in this matter. Have they done anything to date. Or are they happy they got their money and forget about their members and let them worry about it. As shitty and wrong it is that the promoter didn't pay, I still don't see why the IFBB hasn't done a thing to help. This would really be a nice gesture on the IFBB's part to show they care about their members.

Palpatine Q · « **Reply #95 on:** June 17, 2006, 10:50:28 AM »

HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!! You guys are pathetic!!!!

Summer is here, it's gorgeous outside. I pop my head in here once or twice a day and what I see is this shit being re-hashed for the billionth time.The fvcking show is history, heath got paid. Get a life,really.

Chick · « **Reply #96 on:** June 17, 2006, 02:18:59 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on June 17, 2006, 10:44:07 AM

I'm wondering about this money owed. Wasn't the money put into an account like other shows?
A. No, it was waived by wayne who was the Prez at the time...

And as the snactioning body of the event, didn't the IFBB make sure the money was there?
A. Same as above

And why hasn't the IFBB done anythign about this to date. Why don't they sue the promoter. Have they met with the promoter to work out some kind of payment plan. And since the IFBB sanctioned the event the athletes should rely on the IFBB to make they get paid.
A. Agreed
The IFBB got paid their sanction fee.
A. According to wayne, this too was waived and not enforced as per the rules...i.e.- the IFBB never got the sanction fee.

Why doesn't the IFBB pay the atheltes and then go after the promoter in court. The athletes pay a fee to the IFBB and should rely on them for support when something like this happens. I would think the IFBB would support their members and either legally go after this guy since it is their event or pay the athletes themselves and then go after the promoter. I don't see any kind of support here from the IFBB in this matter. Have they done anything to date. Or are they happy they got their money and forget about their members and let them worry about it. As shitty and wrong it is that the promoter didn't pay, I still don't see why the IFBB hasn't done a thing to help. This would really be a nice gesture on the IFBB's part to show they care about their members.

240 is Back · « **Reply #97 on:** June 17, 2006, 02:21:26 PM »

Chick, if you were driving down the street and wayne was stopped in the crosswalk tying his shoe, which pedal would you hit?

Chick · « **Reply #98 on:** June 17, 2006, 02:30:53 PM »

Whats your point?

The facts are the facts...

240 is Back · « **Reply #99 on:** June 17, 2006, 02:41:36 PM »

Quote from: Chick on June 17, 2006, 02:30:53 PM

Whats your point?

The facts are the facts...

I'm not saying your facts are wrong. I'm questioning your motives. Are you anti-PDI, pro-PDI, or neutral? because you've said you were in support of it before, but when you post things here which reflect negatively on wayne, it looks like you're trying to undermine his efforts. you're in a position of power, and your words hold more weight than those of the rest of us in the eyes of readers.