yeah miggs i was looking at those and wondered if the neoprene would be any kinda problem but apparenlty not...
180"?! THAT'S what i need to find..none of the sports stores around here have them..so i'm thinking i'm gonna hafta go off the net to get'em. and last night i made a mistake..my back foot is planted..it's my lead foot that clears the grounds about and inch or so into the hook...and instead of ending up infront of my opponent now that i think about it i was always on his right or left side when the shot finished.
i was told that i was "working the angles" when i didn't have a clue wth i was doing...

is that a no no? my trainer liked it...said even if i don't connect it moves him away or knocks the living shit out of the side of his face and head. not that that could be very effective other than pissing them off or just become irritating...
You can find 180's at everlast and sometimes on ebay. I love them. Sometimes if i am gonna go heavy ont he bag work i can layer it up some more and amake a pad over my knuckles. Working the angles is effective, look at pernell whitaker and bernard hopkins, both do it very well. They don't soley rely n it,but they incorporate it into their style.