Adonis I started juicing for 2 reasons.1 was around the years 98-2000 I won the Natural World, then did Msuclamnia pro and got 3rd, and I did TU.I went as far as I could naturally.Not to Bash but I know Muscle Mania is not a all natural show, they only tested 4 guys out of 200 with a urine test.The guys they tested were all novices, lol they didnt test any open or pro athletes, lol.Plus the guy who won the overall pro division Delino Dixon who lives in the same town as me, failed his pre emplyment drug test a week after he won the MuscleMania Pro.If you know about casinos, they test for steroids and recrational drugs.I have known Delino Dixon 15 years, and he was 200 lbs, then 2 years later he was 235 lbs on stage at Musclemania Pro.Also I did Tu and got 6th place, now that show is definatly not natural, lol.I talked to 4 guys doing the show, and they laughed , and said, this is not a natural show, your fooling yourself if you think it is.Backstage in the bathroom there were syringes, in the toilet area, I gues from lasix.All you have to do is look at the compeitors, Johnny Stewart, Robert Washington, Yonnie Shambourger, these guys are all pro bodybuilders now.Plus you got guys like James Bivens who weighed 265 lbs on stage, and he is natural, lol .Then you have Skip Lacour who came in at 232 lbs at 5 '10 with stridated glutes, lol. I know and like Skip but come on.The top 4 guys in the heavy weights weighed 232, 255, 265 and 245lbs, naturally, okay if you say so.The second reason I went to anabolics was I qualified for the USA by taking 2nd in the Heavyweights at the Mr California, the open show, not the natural one.I took second at the California, and 6th at Tean Universe the same year,lolYou think a open show would be tougher then a natural show but it wasnt, lol .Team Universe is not a true natural show thats why.So I figured I went as far as I could as a "real natural'. I didnt want to cheat to to win by doing natural shows.So I got on the juice and did the Mr USA.I think natural athletes are the true athletes, but I can honestly tell you the big natural shows like Musclmania and Team Universe are not 100 % natural shows.They attract alot of recognition and offer pro cards, and thats why guys cheat to win.