"Adonis has almost pro-size mass"

[Jezebelle]

Ironage...a dying breed...it's too bad because that's when bodybuilding was more of an art.

[Maldoror]

Is the potential there to be big?  Probably but the structure is way to screwed up to me. 

Okay. Now, I have one question for you: What is 'structure'? Is it not simply a catch-all term for 'frame and insertion-points/muscle length'? His frame is fine -- it looks like it can hold a lot of muscle, and is therefore very good for lifting and bodybuilding. His muscle insertion points are also fine, for the most part... His forearms kinda remind me of Beckles' -- who, BTW, was an Olympia runner-up -- but everything else is 'long' and therefore favorable for bodybuilding. Adonis's only real problem is that certain muscles have grown out-of-proportion with the rest of his physique... Human nature being what it is, instead of seeing those bodyparts as strengths, we see everything else as weaknesses... But those 'weaknesses' can be corrected. With enough force of will, it can be done.

I lose bodyfat VERY quickly with no cardio at all.  I force myself to gain weight and actually am kind of sick of doing that because there comes a point when the weight is just pure fat.  You really cannot rush a growing muscle. 

What is your opinion on a bulk phase for 4 weeks followed by a cut phase and so on in the offseason?

I'll reply to this at-length tomorrow. I'm running late for an important engagement I've had planned. If I could stay on this forum and chat, I would. Believe me.

No more posts today. Bye, fellas.

[natural al]

Okay. Now, I have one question for you: What is 'structure'? Is it not simply a catch-all term for 'frame and insertion-points/muscle length'? His frame is fine -- it looks like it can hold a lot of muscle, and is therefore very good for lifting and bodybuilding. His muscle insertion points are also fine, for the most part... His forearms kinda remind me of Beckles' -- who, BTW, was an Olympia runner-up -- but everything else is 'long' and therefore favorable for bodybuilding. Adonis's only real problem is that certain muscles have grown out-of-proportion with the rest of his physique... Human nature being what it is, instead of seeing those bodyparts as strengths, we see everything else as weaknesses... But those 'weaknesses' can be corrected. With enough force of will, it can be done.

I'll reply to this at-length tomorrow. I'm running late for an important engagement I've had planned. If I could stay on this forum and chat, I would. Believe me.

No more posts today. Bye, fellas.

when I speak about structure I'm talking about mostly shoulder to waist ratio.  To me he look pretty much straight up and down, no real "flair" to the shoulders and no width to the lats.  Being tall is a advantage but not the give all end all.  I'd have to see other pics to evaluate muscle insertion points.  he probably has some thick bones so he can have the "illusion" of carrying a ton of mass.  Lets take the bi's, they are good, highly peaked but I don't remember thinking they were very long.   Really that's all I can evaluate right now, I don't have the pics in front of me nor do I have anything else to go off of, just memory. 

[Jezebelle]

Okay. Now, I have one question for you: What is 'structure'? Is it not simply a catch-all term for 'frame and insertion-points/muscle length'? His frame is fine -- it looks like it can hold a lot of muscle, and is therefore very good for lifting and bodybuilding.

I agree.  Adonis has a wide frame, large ribcage, and tiny waist.  He is built to support alot of muscle, as evidenced by the amount of muscle in his back.  He's extremely thick and strong.  His bones are narrow though - as seen in his wrists, which is good, because it reiterates the large size of his muscles.    

[Jezebelle]

he probably has some thick bones so he can have the "illusion" of carrying a ton of mass. 

It's the opposite - long narrow bones.  He has small wrists, ankles...

[natural al]

I agree.  Adonis has a wide frame, large ribcage, and tiny waist.  He is built to support alot of muscle, as evidenced by the amount of muscle in his back.  He's extremely thick and strong.  His bones are narrow though - as seen in his wrists, which is good, because it reiterates the large size of his muscles.    

I agree.  Adonis has a wide frame, large ribcage, and tiny waist.  He is built to support alot of muscle, as evidenced by the amount of muscle in his back.  He's extremely thick and strong.  His bones are narrow though - as seen in his wrists, which is good, because it reiterates the large size of his muscles.    

post a pic showing the depth of his ribcage, it does not look to have much depth in the pics I've seen but I'm going off of memeory.

It's the opposite - long narrow bones.  He has small wrists, ankles...

I said probably,maybe I'm wrong....is he an ecto? 

[mesmorph78]

Flex WAS NOT sub 250!!!!!

You are clueless as well.

Flex august 2006 issue page 148
article on ronnie colemans first... win in 1998
and i quote
"When the free for all all segment of the posedown sparked into like, ronnie, knowing he had to win this round, went straight after flex and deposited his 249lb frame next to his quarrys 230.

[I ETA PI]

Flex august 2006 issue page 148
article on ronnie colemans first... win in 1998
and i quote
"When the free for all all segment of the posedown sparked into like, ronnie, knowing he had to win this round, went straight after flex and deposited his 249lb frame next to his quarrys 230.

It's hopeless.  Much like the miniature wiener dog, who refuses to believe he is anything less than a rottweiler, Adonis will go on believing what he wants. 

[gracie bjj]

i guess if your happy with your build and your training thats all that matters,i just thank god i can go to the gym everymorning and enjoy a good hard workout

[I ETA PI]

i guess if your happy with your build and your training thats all that matters,i just thank god i can go to the gym everymorning and enjoy a good hard workout

Did you just watch that credit card commercial with "100 years," by five for fighting playing in the background?

[danielson]

i guess if your happy with your build and your training thats all that matters,i just thank god i can go to the gym everymorning and enjoy a good hard workout

you seem like a well grounded dude. Nice to see people on here who are happy with their lives.

[gracie bjj]

you seem like a well grounded dude. Nice to see people on here who are happy with their lives.

thanks man,its just that im 41 years old and my outlook might be alittle different then someone thats 20 or so,when you hit my age and go through all the injuries and crap you really appreciate being able to pump iron,yous younger bucks will understand in years down the line when your body aches just to get out of bed in the morning

[Oliver Klaushof]

thanks man,its just that im 41 years old and my outlook might be alittle different then someone thats 20 or so,when you hit my age and go through all the injuries and crap you really appreciate being able to pump iron,yous younger bucks will understand in years down the line when your body aches just to get out of bed in the morning

at 40 

[I ETA PI]

at 40 

40 is the new 90. 

[WOOO]

both bast and adonis like the goat pipe

[mesmorph78]

bast has good physique...
better than adonis imo..

[ReEvolution]

thanks man,its just that im 41 years old and my outlook might be alittle different then someone thats 20 or so,when you hit my age and go through all the injuries and crap you really appreciate being able to pump iron,yous younger bucks will understand in years down the line when your body aches just to get out of bed in the morning

no shit.  i can remember 10 years ago lifting hard and heavy like a madman.  never got hurt and used to love being sore all the time.  trained very intense for 15 years.   now i've had to scale off due to shoulder pain, knee pain, back pain, etc, etc.  still pack good size and strength but must use caution everytime in the gym. 

[Oliver Klaushof]

Ronnie Coleman is like 42 and still trains more intense than anyone 

[The True Adonis]

Okay. Now, I have one question for you: What is 'structure'? Is it not simply a catch-all term for 'frame and insertion-points/muscle length'? His frame is fine -- it looks like it can hold a lot of muscle, and is therefore very good for lifting and bodybuilding. His muscle insertion points are also fine, for the most part... His forearms kinda remind me of Beckles' -- who, BTW, was an Olympia runner-up -- but everything else is 'long' and therefore favorable for bodybuilding. Adonis's only real problem is that certain muscles have grown out-of-proportion with the rest of his physique... Human nature being what it is, instead of seeing those bodyparts as strengths, we see everything else as weaknesses... But those 'weaknesses' can be corrected. With enough force of will, it can be done.

I'll reply to this at-length tomorrow. I'm running late for an important engagement I've had planned. If I could stay on this forum and chat, I would. Believe me.

No more posts today. Bye, fellas.

Bump for Malordor.

[Maldoror]

I lose bodyfat VERY quickly with no cardio at all.  I force myself to gain weight and actually am kind of sick of doing that because there comes a point when the weight is just pure fat.  You really cannot rush a growing muscle. 

What is your opinion on a bulk phase for 4 weeks followed by a cut phase and so on in the offseason?

I've given this some thought. (I've had to... It's been a while since the days I trained 'natural', and most of the guys I give advice to are no strangers to the juice.) I think that the best way to go about achieving your post-contest goals would be to go on a rather mild, yet prolonged 'bulking' phase. The objective here would be to pack on lean mass over the course of several months -- even up to a year, if you see fit.
Actually, if you train hard and eat right, it may be a while before you have to diet... If I were you, my 'goal' would be to gain a pound of muscle a week. (An almost impossible task for most naturals... This would be 55 pounds in a year!) It's a very lofty goal -- probably impossible -- and if not impossible, certainly unsustainable. But I need to make an important point, to gain one pound of muscle per week, you only need to consume about 100 calories over maintainence per day. 5000-6000 calorie diets are flat-out counterproductive for healthy (read: 'not dangerously underweight') natural bodybuilders; they're only of real use to 110-pound hardgainers looking for fast mass, football linebackers, and steroid users with superhuman protein synthesis rates...
There is a certain level of calories that are required to maintain a person's bodyweight. To gain muscle with minimal fat, assuming your training is in order, you simply need to consume slightly more calories than your maintenance level. To lose weight, slightly less. Hormones, hypo/hyper-thyroidism, and extremely high-intensity/high-volume training can skew the equasion a bit, but that shouldn't be an issue for you.

Bulking the way most novice bodybuilders bulk is, in my opinion, a less-than-optimal way to go about gaining muscle. Eat clean, don't eat too much, and you'll make steady lean gains over time...

[The True Adonis]

I've given this some thought. (I've had to... It's been a while since the days I trained 'natural', and most of the guys I give advice to are no strangers to the juice.) I think that the best way to go about achieving your post-contest goals would be to go on a rather mild, yet prolonged 'bulking' phase. The objective here would be to pack on lean mass over the course of several months -- even up to a year, if you see fit.
Actually, if you train hard and eat right, it may be a while before you have to diet... If I were you, my 'goal' would be to gain a pound of muscle a week. (An almost impossible task for most naturals... This would be 55 pounds in a year!) It's a very lofty goal -- probably impossible -- and if not impossible, certainly unsustainable. But I need to make an important point, to gain one pound of muscle per week, you only need to consume about 100 calories over maintainence per day. 5000-6000 calorie diets are flat-out counterproductive for healthy (read: 'not dangerously underweight') natural bodybuilders; they're only of real use to 110-pound hardgainers looking for fast mass, football linebackers, and steroid users with superhuman protein synthesis rates...
There is a certain level of calories that are required to maintain a person's bodyweight. To gain muscle with minimal fat, assuming your training is in order, you simply need to consume slightly more calories than your maintenance level. To lose weight, slightly less. Hormones, hypo/hyper-thyroidism, and extremely high-intensity/high-volume training can skew the equasion a bit, but that shouldn't be an issue for you.

Bulking the way most novice bodybuilders bulk is, in my opinion, a less-than-optimal way to go about gaining muscle. Eat clean, don't eat too much, and you'll make steady lean gains over time...

VERY SOUND ADVICE. 

Thank you!
What were your gains natural compared to non-natural and did you reach a "limit" naturally where you felt progression was at a standstill?

[Bluto]

very sound advice for people that started bodybuilding last week

[Maldoror]

VERY SOUND ADVICE. 

Thank you!
What were your gains natural compared to non-natural and did you reach a "limit" naturally where you felt progression was at a standstill?

When I started bodybuilding I was an underweight 16 year old kid... But I took it pretty damn seriously, and was about 200 pounds at 6'1" by the time I graduated from high school. I eventually 'plateaued' at a very lean 215 pounds, which is when I started juicing. (Yeah, I know: "Monster genetics." )When I say 'plateau', I only mean that it became much, much harder to make gains. I had to train with extreme intensity to force my body into growth -- which in itself was little problem, but it all became difficult due to injuries sustained. In retrospect, I could have probably busted that plateau naturally... but hindsight is always 20/20, eh? I gained over 30 pounds off my first cycle -- which was 16 weeks of moderately-dosed test cyp + deca -- and kept just over 20 after PCT. I kept cycling, and the gains kept coming. I never looked back...

[The True Adonis]

When I started bodybuilding I was an underweight 16 year old kid... But I took it pretty damn seriously, and was about 200 pounds at 6'1" by the time I graduated from high school. I eventually 'plateaued' at a very lean 215 pounds, which is when I started juicing. (Yeah, I know: "Monster genetics." )When I say 'plateau', I only mean that it became much, much harder to make gains. I had to train with extreme intensity to force my body into growth -- which in itself was little problem, but it all became difficult due to injuries sustained. In retrospect, I could have probably busted that plateau naturally... but hindsight is always 20/20, eh? I gained over 30 pounds off my first cycle -- which was 16 weeks of moderately-dosed test cyp + deca -- and kept just over 20 after PCT. I kept cycling, and the gains kept coming. I never looked back...

Closing in on PRO status?

[Maldoror]

Closing in on PRO status?

Hahahah... Not yet, bro. I work a steady job, have to travel a lot, and I'm still rather young compared to most of today's pros. Maybe in a few years. Really, I've got my work cut out for me... It's one thing to be big, and quite another to stand on a pro stage. Those guys really are the best in the world -- and, as much as they're slammed here (sometimes deservedly), the effort they put in is astounding, and they all have my respect. Yes, even Kamali.