Spot on my foot.
I say it was a work.
Dan could have smashed his face with his fist anytime he wanted to...
The same way Ken Shamrock smashed Gracie's face.
The Gracies were running the show, using it as a vehicle to market their particular brand of Jiu Jitsu.
I'm taking BJJ right now, but the fact is, it's no different from Japanese styles.
"He is terrible at transitions, and set ups for the exact same technique."
You proved my point.
The techniques are the same. In fact, some jiu jitsu styles go so far as to teach weapons...
That particular guy you trained with probably just wasn't as naturally skilled as you are. Like I said though, there's nothing taught in BJJ that isn't taught in many styles of Japanese Jiu Jitsu. The main difference is the greater time spent practicing ground technique, exluding standing locks that aren't frequently used. The actually techniques are the same though.
I know you are smarter than this, perhaps I am gullible to fall for a troll attempt.
1. Severn was attempting to punch Royce, he knew naught how to navigate a good guard, and used hammer fists.
2. Shamrock hit Royce with a straight right, which caused the mouse, not within Royce's guard. So see number 1, and see your explanation of Shamrock smashing Royce's face.
3. Who are you taking BJJ from. There are a lot of drills within BJJ (depending upon the method) that will teach you better positioning, pressures to set up your subs. I KNOW that traditional Japanese Jiujitsu's NEWAZA is extremely limited. They attempt to cover all bases and aren't specific in any one range. Like you said, they have weapons and weapons defense.
As far as the SEG/WOW connection, Rorion sold their share after UFC 5. But prior to this Carlos and Relio were fighting Vale Tudo to prove the effectiveness of their art versus other styles. The UFC was simply an extension of this philosophy. I saw Gracies in Action 1 and 2 way before the UFC. I experienced a Kwoon storming as well. The fighters may have been hand picked, but there were certainly no works.
As far as Matt Hughes goes, he was the better athlete when he fought Royce who made Royce fight his game, and used BJJ against Royce. All things being equal, the better athlete wins. We saw the same thing in the GSP/Hughes fight. GSP disrupted Hughes "Riddum" (coudln't resist) and beat him to the punch pummeled out of the bodylock, prevented a takedown with great Greco, and consistently set the pace and set up the high kick that ended the fight.
To further illustrate my point, a third degree Judoka showed up at our school yesterday. Did a Rampage slam out of a triangle. Ron, the guy he slammed, swept him and inverted heal hooked him. Same techniques, but a BJJ purple cathes and easily submits a third degree black who outweighed him by 65 lbs. So although it is the same, BJJ has proven to be the superior vehicle to translate ground fighting over Japanese Jiujitsu. (and it's sportified version, Judo)
Judo is much better at grip fighting, sweeps, takedowns, throws etc....
