Author Topic: Flex .vs. The Gift( Rookie Season) (Read 16089 times)

The True Adonis · « **Reply #75 on:** July 25, 2006, 01:22:41 PM »

Quote from: mrsirjojo on July 25, 2006, 11:38:12 AM

My feeling is this is exactly the opposite of what Adonis is saying. Adonis is saying that professional BBs are the guys who:

A) Work out out and respond well
B) Try drugs to break past natural limits and discover they are hyper-responders
C) Compete
D) Turn pro
E) Up the dosage

Somewhere between A and B is a line some people won't cross. Since (in my opinion) responding well to lifting and responding well to drugs is not exactly the same thing genetically, Adonis is saying that there's no way to know that someone like him is not as good as someone like Phil would be, without drugs. That is, there's no way to know unless the drug users supply a photo of themselves before they began their first cycle. So saying Ronnie would still be number one is only speculation at best - and that speculation is weakened by the fact that his torso has expanded as well as the rest of him - an indication that he has played the "upping the dosage" game himself.

Not a knock on Phil. He plays the game as well as can be within the non-enforced rules, so good for him. But guys on the sauce should be willing to prove they put in the time and looked good before making that switch. At least, they should be willing to prove it if they plan on calling anyone who is natural a lightweight. And yes, i know that Adonis started this one, not Phil.

I think Adonis' attack on Phil was more of an attack on the industry, and its new star, rather than Phil himself. Phil certainly has the right not to see the distinction, and I for one would not look for it either, if someone called me a discrace.

Pandora's box has been opened. We can't un-invent nukes or steroids...If the IFBB actually enforced drug testing, than casual bodybuilders on the sauce would actually be bigger than the pros. The IFBB would be broke in a matter of days. It would be the same reason no one goes to watch women play pro sports like basketball: the average fit guy is better than they are, so why bother?

Very
well written! My thoughts Exactly!

Bast000 · « **Reply #76 on:** July 25, 2006, 01:24:04 PM »

Quote from: shootfighter1 on July 25, 2006, 09:00:10 AM

Phil isn't doing anything the other pros aren't doing. If his body responds better to training and BBing foods & supps then he does belong among the top BBers in the world. If you took all supps away in the pros, it would be the same people winning shows. Plus, Phil is a very nice person and friendly to fans. Save the hate for the guys that deserve it. I'll take Phil over the current version of Ronnie any day.

1993 Flex was the best physique to hit the olympia stage, IMO.

I like how "experts" and pros use the words "supps" instead of drugs.

Bast000 · « **Reply #77 on:** July 25, 2006, 01:27:38 PM »

Phil didn't put a lot of time into his physique, with 3-4 years of training and using drugs he turned pro.

Phil didn't train naturally to get his gains. $:-\$

Regardless he looks great:

Bast000 · « **Reply #78 on:** July 25, 2006, 01:29:45 PM »

This pic is from 4 years ago or so:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=318024&d=1153138610

The True Adonis · « **Reply #79 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:06:50 PM »

HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH What great natural genetics!

Phil Heath is a joke and I hope everyone knows it.

DK II · « **Reply #80 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:12:00 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 25, 2006, 02:06:50 PM

HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH What great natural genetics!

Phil Heath is a joke and I hope everyone knows it.

Why, he was a basketball player then.
What do you expect him to look like?
Bashing him because he juiced himself to the top in 4 years is one thing, and it's sad that something like this happens in the industrym, but bashing him because he looked like a basketball player when he was a basketball player is dumb.

Lets hope Phil takes BB to an aethetic route again.

Stavios · « **Reply #81 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:14:39 PM »

I want to state a fact here.

99% of the bbers try to juice their way to the pros and none of them turn pro in 4 years.

the other 1 % may turn pro but never win a show

Phil won 2

Team Heat 2006

DK II · « **Reply #82 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:24:09 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on July 25, 2006, 02:14:39 PM

I want to state a fact here.

99% of the bbers try to juice their way to the pros and none of them turn pro in 4 years.

the other 1 % may turn pro but never win a show

Phil won 2

Team Heat 2006

That's what i say. Phil stays an extremly good BB. No matter what you might say otherwise.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #83 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:25:35 PM »

adonis why don't you post a pic of what a guy should look like BEFORE training and dieting

also when are you going to post that pic of you and Jezebelle holding up that sign

E

divcom · « **Reply #84 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:46:03 PM »

Quote from: Stavios on July 25, 2006, 02:14:39 PM

I want to state a fact here.

99% of the bbers try to juice their way to the pros and none of them turn pro in 4 years.

the other 1 % may turn pro but never win a show

Phil won 2

Team Heat 2006

Shawn Ray and Melvin Anthony via John Brown both did it in about 4yrs.

Stavios · « **Reply #85 on:** July 25, 2006, 02:54:59 PM »

Melvin only competed 4 years to gain pro status ?!?!

GN138 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 25, 2006, 03:11:34 PM »

This is hilarious...someone with a turkey neck like TA giving Phil a hard time...that's laughable. I have seen guys like TA clammer on and on about certain bodybuilders only to reveal in the near future that they are gay. Don't sweat it TA...so what? So you jack off to Phil's pics....no one is hating on you man. You go girl.

I have judged Phil on the NPC level and have seen him around at the shows and at my gym. Phil and I have talked a lot. I won't get into any info here but lets say he probably takes less "supps" than TA.

When Phil first decided to compete he knew nothing about competing in BBing. Phil, you dieted for liek 4 weeks or something for your first show, right? He was striated and pretty big...nothing close to what he is now but he made TA look like Sally Struthers in size and condition.

Give up TA...

New York · « **Reply #87 on:** July 25, 2006, 04:01:51 PM »

lol!

Jerryme7 · « **Reply #88 on:** July 25, 2006, 04:42:20 PM »

I have to say that Ive seen Phil Heath train at the World's here in Denver. The guy trains like a man possesed!

He bust his ass and puts forth so much effort and discipline.

No amount of "supplements" will make someone grow if that person isnt training right or eating right. Phil Heath is blessed with genetics and an impeccable work ethic. Thats whatgot him here today!

I look forward to seeing Phil competing in future events...God bless this man!

Rearden Metal · « **Reply #89 on:** July 25, 2006, 05:13:38 PM »

Quote from: The True Adonis on July 25, 2006, 02:06:50 PM

HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAH What great natural genetics!

Phil Heath is a joke and I hope everyone knows it.

Adam, you are the fucking joke. You wish you had 1/10 of what Phil has going for him.

Earl1972 · « **Reply #90 on:** July 25, 2006, 09:37:39 PM »

Quote from: GN138 on July 25, 2006, 03:11:34 PM

This is hilarious...someone with a turkey neck like TA giving Phil a hard time...that's laughable. I have seen guys like TA clammer on and on about certain bodybuilders only to reveal in the near future that they are gay. Don't sweat it TA...so what? So you jack off to Phil's pics....no one is hating on you man. You go girl.

I have judged Phil on the NPC level and have seen him around at the shows and at my gym. Phil and I have talked a lot. I won't get into any info here but lets say he probably takes less "supps" than TA.

When Phil first decided to compete he knew nothing about competing in BBing. Phil, you dieted for liek 4 weeks or something for your first show, right? He was striated and pretty big...nothing close to what he is now but he made TA look like Sally Struthers in size and condition.

Give up TA...

oh man hahhahaha

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The True Adonis · « **Reply #91 on:** July 25, 2006, 11:42:18 PM »

Quote from: GN138 on July 25, 2006, 03:11:34 PM

This is hilarious...someone with a turkey neck like TA giving Phil a hard time...that's laughable. I have seen guys like TA clammer on and on about certain bodybuilders only to reveal in the near future that they are gay. Don't sweat it TA...so what? So you jack off to Phil's pics....no one is hating on you man. You go girl.

I have judged Phil on the NPC level and have seen him around at the shows and at my gym. Phil and I have talked a lot. I won't get into any info here but lets say he probably takes less "supps" than TA.

When Phil first decided to compete he knew nothing about competing in BBing. Phil, you dieted for liek 4 weeks or something for your first show, right? He was striated and pretty big...nothing close to what he is now but he made TA look like Sally Struthers in size and condition.

Give up TA...

Bast000 · « **Reply #92 on:** July 25, 2006, 11:44:50 PM »

Do you guy realize there are 18 years olds who have trained longer than Phil Heath? lol

monster shortcuts to turn pro

JediKnight · « **Reply #93 on:** July 25, 2006, 11:46:08 PM »

He must have MONSTER eyebrows from so much juice.

Weez · « **Reply #94 on:** July 26, 2006, 02:32:52 AM »

With or without drugs, I think that it is amazing what Heath has done in such a short period of time. To be one of the top 6 or 7 guys in the world, after only a short period of time, is fantastic. Sure, the drugs work, and they help immensely, but he's not doing any thing that anybody else isn't doing. Adonis, these drugs have been, and will continue to be around for a long time. You never bash Arnold, or Sergio, or Franco, or Zane, or Larry Scott, or Boyer Coe, or Steve Reeves for that matter, and they all took anabolics. Maybe not in the dosages that we see today, and perhaps the afformentioned guys worked alot harder in the gym, but it seems that you are always "up in arms" about the drugs. I truly believe that no matter how many drugs that you took, you could never even remotely approach Phil Heath. Your "war" against the steriod users will never be won. These drugs are here to stay.........like it or not.....and they will forever be incorporated into bodybuilding............ Weez

sgt. d · « **Reply #95 on:** July 26, 2006, 05:23:18 AM »

Quote from: DonkeyKong on July 25, 2006, 12:23:58 PM

hahaa, i thought they had intelligence testing if you enter the military!

Try 'some' for a start.

like in 'some of the best'.

Sounds good?

THANK YOU, SIR! APPRECIATE IT, SIR!

I didnt spell it wrong you did donkey aka 240 or bust go back and read your post stupid bitch.

its 2 years now and your wife havent had a baby yet, something is wrong. maybe you dont have a wife? just

just a boyfriend. I guess that explains why you take naked pics of yourself and post it on your site for all

your gay band buddies to see.

sgt. d · « **Reply #96 on:** July 26, 2006, 05:24:07 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on July 23, 2006, 03:38:00 PM

heath probably has soem of the best genetics around, but at a lighter BW. Same way at 160, david henry looked unfookingbelievable.

BroadStreetBruiser · « **Reply #97 on:** July 26, 2006, 05:32:22 AM »

True Adonis is going to max out his genetic potential and get a job at 7-11 so he'll never have to worry about protein intake again

DK II · « **Reply #98 on:** July 26, 2006, 05:35:53 AM »

Quote from: sgt. d on July 26, 2006, 05:23:18 AM

I didnt spell it wrong you did donkey aka 240 or bust go back and read your post stupid bitch.

its 2 years now and your wife havent had a baby yet, something is wrong. maybe you dont have a wife? just

just a boyfriend. I guess that explains why you take naked pics of yourself and post it on your site for all

your gay band buddies to see.

You mistake me for someone else...

But you know what?

The True Adonis · « **Reply #99 on:** July 26, 2006, 06:27:12 AM »

Quote from: Weez on July 26, 2006, 02:32:52 AM

With or without drugs, I think that it is amazing what Heath has done in such a short period of time. To be one of the top 6 or 7 guys in the world, after only a short period of time, is fantastic. Sure, the drugs work, and they help immensely, but he's not doing any thing that anybody else isn't doing. Adonis, these drugs have been, and will continue to be around for a long time. You never bash Arnold, or Sergio, or Franco, or Zane, or Larry Scott, or Boyer Coe, or Steve Reeves for that matter, and they all took anabolics. Maybe not in the dosages that we see today, and perhaps the afformentioned guys worked alot harder in the gym, but it seems that you are always "up in arms" about the drugs. I truly believe that no matter how many drugs that you took, you could never even remotely approach Phil Heath. Your "war" against the steriod users will never be won. These drugs are here to stay.........like it or not.....and they will forever be incorporated into bodybuilding............ Weez

I like how you people try to sum up someones "genetics" pre gear when a lot of pros looked like Pip Squeaks and Twerps pre-gear. hahahahahah Delusional.