Chick it's too warm to be christmas

[AVBG]

Wayne has 30,000 that he is giving away at the NOC, on a weekend where there is no IFBB show.

If the show happens, and he does give away that money, will you admit on Sept 16 that yes, bodybuilders made more money as a result of the PDI?

Makes sense to me.. I wonder why Bob refuses to understand it?

[240 is Back]

Makes sense to me.. I wonder why Bob refuses to understand it?

he takes shots at its long term viability, lack of quality, etc.  Things that none of us know because demilia has kept that info close, and because we won't be able to judge these until after the events happen.

IMO, if it puts $1 in a BBer's pocket, it's a good thing.
If it puts $30k into BBers' pockets, it's a great thing! 

And, since all the PDI shows are planned for non-IFBB event weekends, there should be no conflicts.  More money... I don't see the problem.

[gtbro1]

Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.

Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.

Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....

I was there,I saw it.He won.

[Disgusted]

Im sick of hearing about all this PDI talk

You could always kill yourself.

[Lift Studios]

If you were TRULY for the athletes' well being, you would be all over the PDI like flies on shit...asking the same questions you were grilling Shawn about his Colorado pro.

Yes 240 and onlyme - Why aren't you holding your beloved PDI and Wayne to the same standards you were trying to hold Shawn to? You busted our balls on the poster, the line up, the venue, etc. The PDI has no web site, runs shitty ads and has you two defending it. What about the two shows that we cancelled, you gloss right over that.

[kmhphoto]

What about the two shows that we cancelled, you gloss right over that.

It's more than 2 shows.
What about the agreement with the hospital that was a pack of lies?

[kmhphoto]

If the show happens,...............

Are you having doubts too?

[gordiano]

People have to work and raise a family so next time anyone here starts bitching about no one supporting the shows get back to reality. Not everyone can use their yearly vacation time and money to go see a pro show. Plane tickets, food, lodging and all the other costs add up to thousands.

HAHAHA, no shit.


"Honey, fuck Disneyworld. We're going to see the biggest chemical abusers in the world! Kids, you can have your picture taken with Lou Ferrigno, co-star of 70's tv show, the Incredible Hulk."   

[onlyme]

Yes 240 and onlyme - Why aren't you holding your beloved PDI and Wayne to the same standards you were trying to hold Shawn to? You busted our balls on the poster, the line up, the venue, etc. The PDI has no web site, runs shitty ads and has you two defending it. What about the two shows that we cancelled, you gloss right over that.

I loved your poster(s) all 10+ of them. It was neat how they change pictures so often.

It's more than 2 shows.
What about the agreement with the hospital that was a pack of lies?

Girls you two have to get together more often andget your stories straight.

Can you IFBB lovers tell me why the IFBB is what 50 years old and yet the PDI hasn't even run a show yet, but the prize money in the first is more than the majority of the IFBB shows.  You would think after 50 years of competitions they could maybe raise the prize money a little at least.

And both of you are probably hitting yourself in the head everytime you have to type that the IFBB isn't worried about the PDI and is not doing anything to hurt the PDI.  Even you two have to hate to lie all the time to try and make the IFBB look good.  Who do you think paid Vince Taylor to guest pose at Udit's show.  Odd isn't it.  Vince has no money and they knew he needed it badly so they pay him, what 2 months out from the show.  

Keith,
In the first post I said they are "hardly falling over themselves" and in the second I said "hardly any sponsors". I'm aware that he has some - like yourself - but the fact remains that the PDI is failing to find major sponsorship because those in the industry know that it's doomed.
No wonder the sponsors aren't interested if Muscle Mag and Muscle Media are the only magazines covering the single PDI show this year.
With so many tickets still available for the 2006 show, you're a little premature to call it a sell out? With so many of their shows being cancelled we may soon be discussing why this one went the same way.

Kevin, please don't tell us you are this stupid.  You have no idea who is behind the PDI.  As I can tell you have NO idea who will be showing up at the NOC.  Please go and then come back on here and tell us who you saw in the audience.  I really can't wait.  And FLex and M&F are run by the same pussys who run the Olympia (you did knowthat right).  The same people who can barely sleep cause they know the PDI is a huge threat.  Or why not take the advertising money from Wayne.  And it will be a sellout.  There are more people coming in from Europe than there was at the entire Colorado Pro show.  And thats just from Europe.  How about the IFBB shows being cancelled. What happened to the 40 year history of the IFBB.  Don't you think they would have it down by now.  First the Toronto, then the Hungarian (which was moved to Romania or somewhere like that)  ANd if you knew where you would laugh your brains out. Why isn't Flex Wheeler promoting the show anymore.  Is it Coleman who is guest posing in Romania.  I think it is but not sure.  If it is he won't be happy.  Please just come to the NOC take some pics of the people in the audience then comeback on here and start telling us what IFBB shows will be cancelled next year.  Please do this.  I can get you a free ticket.

[Hurricane Beef !]

There is a member of IronAge . . . Crownshep is his name ( he might have posted here in the past. ) He is an expert on NABBA contests and its history. He also has every mag known to man ( all the Brit titles etc.) I am going to ask him about this and we will get to the bottom of it once and for all.

I will ask him, what year did Jack win his title.

The Beef.

[jwb]

96

[kmhphoto]

Keith,
Nice to see that you continue to insult people rather than address the questions.
Rather than insult you, I'll try to answer some of your points..

1. It would be great if every show paid prize money of $1million but unfortunately it's not likely to happen because the general public is not interested in the sport, therefor the TV companies show no interest, therefor major sponors such as Nike show no interest.

2. I can't speak for Isaac, but I do not post about the PDI to make the IFBB look good. Since the PDI resurfaced I've questioned it's credibility because of it's past record of total failure. Remember when you called me a liar for saying that we've been here before in 2004?

3. I would hazard a guess that Gary Udit is paying Vince to pose but if you have other information please share it?

4. I can't comment on Vince's financial situation but I can only assume that he has decided he has more chance of making money in the IFBB as it has affiliates in over 170 countries where he could make guest appearances wherase the PDI has zero presence anywhere? He may also have considered that Wayne's comment about age could have an effect on his placing? What's wrong with Vince being paid 2 months in advance?

5. Of course I know whose behind the PDI, as does everyone else in the business. maybe that's why it's struggling to find support?

6. Odd that you claim such a huge amount of people are coming from Europe to attend the show, when not that many did when it meant something?

7. Promoters are finding it very difficult to find enough sponsors to make shows viable and unfortunately, the Toronto show was a victim of this problem. This is one area the PDI excells in, as they have cancelled more shows than anyone.

8. What's wrong with Romania? If it was the only show outside of the US it would still be one more than the PDI have.

9. I'll pass on the offer of a free ticket. If I have to I'll buy one from a tout for $2.00 like the other 20 people in the audience.

10. Do you know if the athletes wil be paid on the day of the show, or will it be like the old days when they had to wait weeks and sometimes months?

[TheGoldenPrince]

Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.

Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.

Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....

How 'bout this...

http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?c=North+American+Championships+-+NABBA&y=1996

[Mydavid]

How 'bout this...

http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?c=North+American+Championships+-+NABBA&y=1996

We already went through this on page 2...as far as i know his name and contest results on Musclememory just made it to the internet late Wednesday or early Thursday. Again, please don't get me wrong, i have nothing against Jack, i was just stating a point.

Lia

[onlyme]

Keith,
Nice to see that you continue to insult people rather than address the questions.
Rather than insult you, I'll try to answer some of your points..

1. It would be great if every show paid prize money of $1million but unfortunately it's not likely to happen because the general public is not interested in the sport, therefor the TV companies show no interest, therefor major sponors such as Nike show no interest.
You are right here.


2. I can't speak for Isaac, but I do not post about the PDI to make the IFBB look good. Since the PDI resurfaced I've questioned it's credibility because of it's past record of total failure. Remember when you called me a liar for saying that we've been here before in 2004?
I have no idea what happened in the past so I don't know.  All I know is what I am told from the horses mouth.  So far nothing he has told me has not happened.  Maybe that is why I knew nothing of the cancelled shows.  And the dates were moved.  Same boat as the Romania Show

3. I would hazard a guess that Gary Udit is paying Vince to pose but if you have other information please share it?
I can't say then I would not have a contact anymore.

4. I can't comment on Vince's financial situation but I can only assume that he has decided he has more chance of making money in the IFBB as it has affiliates in over 170 countries where he could make guest appearances wherase the PDI has zero presence anywhere? He may also have considered that Wayne's comment about age could have an effect on his placing? What's wrong with Vince being paid 2 months in advance?
170 countries?  There aren't even that many shows total in the IFBB. What do they do just grab a world globe and start writing countries down


5. Of course I know whose behind the PDI, as does everyone else in the business. maybe that's why it's struggling to find support?
Okay Okay, Wayne is the bad guy and Weiders are angels . Dude please people who know the Weiders and Manion know who the bad guys are.  ANyone who hides like they do and do none of the dirty work themselves are suspect

6. Odd that you claim such a huge amount of people are coming from Europe to attend the show, when not that many did when it meant something?
Yea very odd isn't it.  Maybe that should give you a hint about something.  You'll know after the show, then you can come on here and apologize to me publically.  And if it doesn't happen I will be more than happy to do the same.


7. Promoters are finding it very difficult to find enough sponsors to make shows viable and unfortunately, the Toronto show was a victim of this problem. This is one area the PDI excells in, as they have cancelled more shows than anyone.
Yes but it still happened and its not over.

8. What's wrong with Romania? If it was the only show outside of the US it would still be one more than the PDI have.
See now this is where AMI and whoever didn't do their homework.  Check into it and come back.


9. I'll pass on the offer of a free ticket. If I have to I'll buy one from a tout for $2.00 like the other 20 people in the audience.
I meant to the NOC not theOlympia.

10. Do you know if the athletes wil be paid on the day of the show, or will it be like the old days when they had to wait weeks and sometimes months?
I have no idea, I don't get into money conversations with him like that

Kevin I don't think I made any insults but if I did sorry. Anyway

[TheGoldenPrince]

We already went through this on page 2...as far as i know his name and contest results on Musclememory just made it to the internet late Wednesday or early Thursday. Again, please don't get me wrong, i have nothing against Jack, i was just stating a point.

Lia

LOL, I know, therefore the grin...

[Mydavid]

LOL, I know, therefore the grin...

 

Lisa

[kmhphoto]

Kevin I don't think I made any insults but if I did sorry. Anyway

 

[jwb]

So onlyme is hinting at a special guest at the NOC who will change everything (and also is bringing or attracting a big euro crowd)

anyone got any ideas?

[kmhphoto]

So onlyme is hinting at a special guest at the NOC who will change everything (and also is bringing or attracting a big euro crowd)
anyone got any ideas?

Elvis?

[jwb]

Elvis?

the beatles?

[djohnsen]

Seriously!

This argument between Bob and Jack is getting stupid.
Is it that hard to come forward with some kind of proof
for this victory?? Photo for the event, other people that
has attended the show(more than one), photo of the trophy,
some official note about it. According to the list there has
been quite a few people there. Let's end this now and go on.
Jack get some official proof, and end this!
Both of you are loosing this battle.

Let's discuss the Lee Priest issue instead, because that is
a very interesting case IMO

[Hedgehog]

Your priorities are with the IFBB guys.
The PDI isn't a threat.
You aren't worried at all.



Yet you talk about them for hours a day.

C'mon 240.

It was DeMilia who was trying to prevent Pro BB's from speaking their mind.

One of the reasons I really dislike him.

You on the other hand, seem to appreciate when these pro BB's speak their mind.

Why not this time?

Remember Voltaire, bro.

"I might disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"...


Even if it is the opinion of shithead Manion.

YIP
Zack

[sgt. d]

You could always kill yourself.

Have I ever said anything mean to you? Or typed to you before? No thanks to your comment though

[Hedgehog]

So onlyme is hinting at a special guest at the NOC who will change everything (and also is bringing or attracting a big euro crowd)

anyone got any ideas?

Benfatto?

YIP
Zack