MD vs. Flex - Really Setting the Record Straight

[mrsirjojo]

I bought Flex for about a year. Then Peter McGough wrote an editorial discussing "once and for all" why Flex did not discuss steroids in their magazine. It was well written, but thumbing through a magazine that contained nothing, and I mean nothing but bodybuilders who took steroids, insulin, IGF-1, GH, Clen and DNP right after reading Peter's rationale was more hypocrisy than I could stand. It was like a a vegetarian making a mint off owning a steak and ribs joint.

This hypocrisy is, of course, compounded by the fact that the same poeple who own Flex run the IFBB and have the means to clean up the sport if they really wanted to. In that light, McGough and Flex's disdain for the abuse of drugs in their sport is nothing more than crocodile tears, shed by the publishers and editors alike, all the way to the bank.

[Manninen dude]

Then Peter McGough wrote an editorial discussing "once and for all" why Flex did not discuss steroids in their magazine.

His editorial was ridiculously hypocritical 

[Wombat]

why people who are worth more then 10 million dollars don't walk around 24/7 armed with pen sized audio recorders is beyond me?

[shiftedShapes]

why people who are worth more then 10 million dollars don't walk around 24/7 armed with pen sized audio recorders is beyond me?

Yeah If I had that much money I would always carry around one of those things so I could record any important events, or measurements for posterity.I wonder if Billy Smith recorded memorable events on a recorder like that.  If he did I bet his tapes from 93 would be worth a lot.

[Cara from MD]

Special 'One for the Money, Two for the Show' Ed is right...

 Matter o' fact...he should be writing for MD now as we speak. He should be up in that picture with Palumbo, Romano that Metrosexual and Flex.

Relax...Steve will be getting in touch with Special Ed soon.

--Cara

[Blockhead]

 No you settle down and mind your P's&Q's there, Cara from MD.

 You just gave me slight passive agressive undertone because I called Steve 'that metrosexual'.

 On Getbig...nobody is safe and nobody is IMMUNE to it...not even you Cara from MD.

[Cara from MD]

No you settle down and mind your P's&Q's there, Cara from MD.

 You just gave me slight passive agressive undertone because I called Steve 'that metrosexual'.

Is this your way of endearing yourself to me?

[YoMamaBeenLurking]

Is this your way of endearing yourself to me?

Of course it is Cara...The delusions of grandeur and self importance going on with the clowns here is enough to throw up from already.  









I should know, I'm pretty delusional myself 

Hey Steve, let me get a column too

[gordiano]

No you settle down and mind your P's&Q's there, Cara from MD.

 You just gave me slight passive agressive undertone because I called Steve 'that metrosexual'.

 

[TheGoldenPrince]

Who's da chick in da Pink tee?

[Blockhead]

Is this your way of endearing yourself to me?

Perhaps. Did it work, Cara from MD?

[Manninen dude]

Perhaps. Did it work, Cara from MD?

Hardly.

[Blockhead]

 Yea, I didn't think so...

 It's alright, it's okay cuz TheBlockHead has some more tricks up his sleeve.

 I'm gonna tap that shit watch...

[MCWAY]

Since when do bbers get paid anything for appearing in a Weider/AMI rag? 

Sure, he had a supps contarct but what was he making there, not much I'm sure, if someone like Shawn (first tier bber) didn't get 100K a year, how much does someone like Mazz make?

Are you going to tell me that Mad Mazz didn't help Weider sell his shit? Wether it be mags, supps, tickets, or equipment.......he helped build the Weider empire. Now his health isn't very good, you think it had something to do with bbing (you know what I'm talking about)? You'd think that someone with millions and millions to spare would help someone who helped them make their fortune, but hey, I guess only someone with a conscience would do something like that.

One more time: Matarazzo did a job and was compensated (i.e. PAID) for that job. Beyond that, Weider is of no obligation to Matarazzo for anything, especially with regards to any damage to him that may have been self-inflicted.


Next thing you know, you'll be demanding that Arnold Schwarzenegger pay Weider some of his royalties from his movies.

I know some folks here LOVE painting the Weiders as evil-incarnate, abusing poor wittle helpless bodybuilders; but, this is just plain silly.

[suckmymuscle]

I bought Flex for about a year. Then Peter McGough wrote an editorial discussing "once and for all" why Flex did not discuss steroids in their magazine. It was well written, but thumbing through a magazine that contained nothing, and I mean nothing but bodybuilders who took steroids, insulin, IGF-1, GH, Clen and DNP right after reading Peter's rationale was more hypocrisy than I could stand. It was like a a vegetarian making a mint off owning a steak and ribs joint.

This hypocrisy is, of course, compounded by the fact that the same poeple who own Flex run the IFBB and have the means to clean up the sport if they really wanted to. In that light, McGough and Flex's disdain for the abuse of drugs in their sport is nothing more than crocodile tears, shed by the publishers and editors alike, all the way to the bank.

  Agreed. The reason why FLEX decided not to discuss it is that androgens', GH's and insulin's effect on muscularity is so overwhelming that recognizing it would immediately discredit every training and nutrition advice given by the magazine. FLEX's position on what makes someone become a pro is true: you need to have been born with the skeletal structure and long muscle bellies to make it. Yet, when it comes to muscularity, the reason why pros look the way they do is due to ergogenic aids. If pros were drug-free, they'd look exactly like they do now...but only with 70 or 80 lbs of lean muscle less. FLEX can't get over this basic physiological/biochemical fact, so they preach ad nauseum that it's all about "genes and drive". Well, guess what? It isn't: no human being of average stature, regardless of genetics, can synthesize enough protein to weight close to 300 lbs with practically no fat in his body. And this, my friends, is the fact.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Wombat]

Yeah If I had that much money I would always carry around one of those things so I could record any important events, or measurements for posterity.I wonder if Billy Smith recorded memorable events on a recorder like that.  If he did I bet his tapes from 93 would be worth a lot.

for lawsuits bro...Do you realise their was a guy who was part winner of over a 300 million lottery...He said he gets over 5000 pieces of mail a day...And over 350 people have tried to sue him in one way or another...i would want to tape record every convo i had with someone i barely knew...

[MCWAY]

I bought Flex for about a year. Then Peter McGough wrote an editorial discussing "once and for all" why Flex did not discuss steroids in their magazine. It was well written, but thumbing through a magazine that contained nothing, and I mean nothing but bodybuilders who took steroids, insulin, IGF-1, GH, Clen and DNP right after reading Peter's rationale was more hypocrisy than I could stand. It was like a a vegetarian making a mint off owning a steak and ribs joint.

This hypocrisy is, of course, compounded by the fact that the same poeple who own Flex run the IFBB and have the means to clean up the sport if they really wanted to. In that light, McGough and Flex's disdain for the abuse of drugs in their sport is nothing more than crocodile tears, shed by the publishers and editors alike, all the way to the bank.

And how exactly does that occurs? What happens if the IFBB starts drug testing? The bodybuilders are going to break their necks, trying to beat the tests.

I refer you to the 1992 World Bodybuilding Federation Championship. Vince McMahon hired Dr. Mauro DiPasquale to run his drug-testing system. He tested those guys for everything but the kitchen sink. How many folks supported McMahon's efforts to "clean up" bodybuilding? How many people stuck by the WBF, knowing that the guys would look less-than-stellar minus the anabolics?

Not to mention the minor fact that Lou Ferrigno conveniently left the WBF, shortly after the testing was implemented.

What's the point of repeatedly discussing the IFBB pros' drug intake, especially since those doing all the complaining know so much about it? OOOOHHHH!! I forgot. It's to save those poor "newbies" from believing that you actually have to eat a quality diet and train hard and smart to get results (regardless of whether or not you use steroids).

[dearth]

What's the point of repeatedly discussing the IFBB pros' drug intake, especially since those doing all the complaining know so much about it? OOOOHHHH!! I forgot. It's to save those poor "newbies" from believing that you actually have to eat a quality diet and train hard and smart to get results (regardless of whether or not you use steroids).

mcway, if you already don't work for weider
you should consider it.
it appears you also beleive (or at least would like to convey to others) that ronnie coleman , jay cutler etc became big by reading flex using the weider principles and taking mega mass 4000.

[MCWAY]

mcway, if you already don't work for weider
you should consider it.
it appears you also beleive (or at least would like to convey to others) that ronnie coleman , jay cutler etc became big by reading flex using the weider principles and taking mega mass 4000.

And this is based on what, the simple fact that I don't need to be reminded every single issue about drug use among IFBB pros?

What I believe is what I mentioned several posts ago, that it takes a sound diet and hard, smart training to achieve success in bodybuilding.....WHETHER YOU USE STEROIDS OR NOT!!!!

Let's just say, for argument's sake that FLEX (or any other magazine, for that matter) prints the drug regime of certain IFBB pros. How does that help you? Do you plan to go the same syringe binge?

Case in point, when Andreas Munzer died 10 years ago, a German magazine printed his alleged drug regiment, which was something like this: Masterone, Stromba, Halotestin, GH, Insulin, IGF.

(This, by the way, came from the "Rage Page" of John Romano, from the Oct. 96 issue of Muscular Development-Fitness-Health. Of course, Romano, Blechman, Mentzer, et. al. were all in their anti-steroids, "IFBB should drug test" mode).

How many MD readers went "AHA!!!! So, that's how Munzer does it!!! Off to Tijuana I go. Get the syringes ready!!! Mr. Universe, here I come!!!"? How many of you had your backsides swabbed with alcohol, eagerly awaiting your anabolic witches' brew in quest of size, courtesy of the info from the good folks at MD/MDFH/ANMD/MD?



 

[mrsirjojo]

What I believe is what I mentioned several posts ago, that it takes a sound diet and hard, smart training to achieve success in bodybuilding build muscle

Two entirely different things, building muscle and being a bodybuilder.
 

[dearth]

And this is based on what, the simple fact that I don't need to be reminded every single issue about drug use among IFBB pros?

What I believe is what I mentioned several posts ago, that it takes a sound diet and hard, smart training to achieve success in bodybuilding.....WHETHER YOU USE STEROIDS OR NOT!!!!

Let's just say, for argument's sake that FLEX (or any other magazine, for that matter) prints the drug regime of certain IFBB pros. How does that help you? Do you plan to go the same syringe binge?

Case in point, when Andreas Munzer died 10 years ago, a German magazine printed his alleged drug regiment, which was something like this: Masterone, Stromba, Halotestin, GH, Insulin, IGF.

(This, by the way, came from the "Rage Page" of John Romano, from the Oct. 96 issue of Muscular Development-Fitness-Health. Of course, Romano, Blechman, Mentzer, et. al. were all in their anti-steroids, "IFBB should drug test" mode).

How many MD readers went "AHA!!!! So, that's how Munzer does it!!! Off to Tijuana I go. Get the syringes ready!!! Mr. Universe, here I come!!!"? How many of you had your backsides swabbed with alcohol, eagerly awaiting your anabolic witches' brew in quest of size, courtesy of the info from the good folks at MD/MDFH/ANMD/MD?
 

first of all, don't get so worked up - this is only the internet.
second of all, a lot of people were turned off of diuretics/gear from that interview (and several others).
this disclosure helped many young aspiring bodybuilders realize that what Munzer did
was not attainable without the use of a lot of drugs aka the truth - something flex doesn't like to acknowledge.

[MCWAY]

You can't have success in bodybuilding WITHOUT building muscle. The presence or absense of anabolics doesn't negate that priniciple. Therefore, my statement stands as is.

[MCWAY]

first of all, don't get so worked up - this is only the internet.
second of all, a lot of people were turned off of diuretics/gear from that interview (and several others).
this disclosure helped many young aspiring bodybuilders realize that what Munzer did
was not attainable without the use of a lot of drugs aka the truth - something flex doesn't like to acknowledge.

That's funny!! I could have sworn that FLEX had an article regarding Cytadren, the key agent blamed for the problems, resulting in Munzer's death.

Plus, it's rather ironic that the same magazine that, 10 years ago, blasted the IFBB for all the drug use in the pro ranks and demanded that the IFBB start doing seriouls testing, now prefers that the IFBB leaves the pros alone and let them inject their rumps with anabolics to their hearts content.

That also brings me back to what I said earlier, when another organization (WBF) was instituting strict testing, where was all the support? Did MD throw their lot in with the WBF to support its effort to make a level playing field? Or did the folks there (along with those from the other magazines) snicker and laugh at the 12 guys in that organization, many of whom looked rather awful (and the testing started a mere three months before the WBF Championship).

And, as stated several times earlier, how many times does FLEX (or any other magazine) have to "inform" people about drug use in bodybuilding? Does their memory get blanked every 30 days?

[bic_staedtler]

  Agreed. The reason why FLEX decided not to discuss it is that androgens', GH's and insulin's effect on muscularity is so overwhelming that recognizing it would immediately discredit every training and nutrition advice given by the magazine. FLEX's position on what makes someone become a pro is true: you need to have been born with the skeletal structure and long muscle bellies to make it. Yet, when it comes to muscularity, the reason why pros look the way they do is due to ergogenic aids. If pros were drug-free, they'd look exactly like they do now...but only with 70 or 80 lbs of lean muscle less. FLEX can't get over this basic physiological/biochemical fact, so they preach ad nauseum that it's all about "genes and drive". Well, guess what? It isn't: no human being of average stature, regardless of genetics, can synthesize enough protein to weight close to 300 lbs with practically no fat in his body. And this, my friends, is the fact.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

.....nicely put.

[dearth]

And, as stated several times earlier, how many times does FLEX (or any other magazine) have to "inform" people about drug use in bodybuilding? Does their memory get blanked every 30 days?

The same number of times they blantantly lie about what is acheivable in terms of muscular development.

you see Mcway, most intelligent readers do not particularly care for being fed sugar coated BS that is passed off as
the "voice of champions". (in other words, tell fat mac to stop lying)