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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2006, 11:20:56 AM »
The notion that "a calorie is a calorie" is utter nonsense:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2006, 01:08:59 PM »
The notion that "a calorie is a calorie" is utter nonsense:

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/3/1/9

First law of thermodynamics, about the conservation of energy
The increase in the energy of a closed system is equal to the amount of energy added to the system by heating, minus the amount lost in the form of work done by the system on its surroundings.

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2006, 01:15:30 PM »
Human fat tissue contains about 87% lipids, so that 1 kg of body-fat tissue has roughly the caloric energy of 870 g of pure fat, or 7800 kcal. Therefore one has to create a −7800 kcal deficit between energy intake and use to lose 1 kg of body-fat. (In U.S. customary units, that is about 3500 kcal per pound.)

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2006, 01:17:29 PM »
Human body is not a closed system. You have no clue what youre talking about.. :'(

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/Manninen-JISSN-1-2-21-26-05.pdf

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2006, 02:16:15 PM »
Human body is not a closed system. You have no clue what youre talking about.. :'(

http://www.sportsnutritionsociety.org/site/pdf/Manninen-JISSN-1-2-21-26-05.pdf

Your whole argument IS what I am advocating so it does not make a bit of sense to disagree with me.
A low-Carbohydrate Diet is just a simple reduction in energy.
The same reduction would be garnered in an Low Fat diet or Low Protein diet.

When in a caloric defecit all Calories ingested are used or expended. 

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2006, 03:16:27 PM »
It doesnt make sense to argue with a moron who knows nothing about physiology/biochemistry..  :'(


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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #107 on: September 11, 2006, 03:39:06 PM »
It doesnt make sense to argue with a moron who knows nothing about physiology/biochemistry..  :'(

Thats why I haven`t really given you many replies.

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #108 on: September 11, 2006, 04:04:13 PM »
How can you store fat if you are in a calorie deficit? If you burn more than you take in, what is your body using to make fat; does it just turn muscle into fat? Doesn't make sense to me.

"A calorie is a calorie"

The old school of nutrition, which often includes most nutritionists, is a calorie is a calorie when it comes to gaining or losing weight. That weight loss or weight gain is strictly a matter of "calories in, calories out." Translated, if you "burn" more calories than you take in, you will lose weight regardless of the calorie source and if you eat more calories than you burn off each day, you will gain weight, regardless of the calorie source.

This long held and accepted view of nutrition is based on the fact that protein and carbs contain approx 4 calories per gram and fat approximately 9 calories per gram and the source of those calories matters not. They base this on the many studies that finds if one reduces calories by X number each day, weight loss is the result and so it goes if you add X number of calories above what you use each day for gaining weight.

However, the "calories in calories out" mantra fails to take into account modern research that finds that fats, carbs, and proteins have very different effects on the metabolism via countless pathways, such as their effects on hormones (e.g., insulin, leptin, glucagon, etc), effects on hunger and appetite, thermic effects (heat production), effects on uncoupling proteins (UCPs), and 1000 other effects that could be mentioned.

Even worse, this school of thought fails to take into account the fact that even within a macro nutrient, they too can have different effects on metabolism. This school of thought ignores the ever mounting volume of studies that have found diets with different macro nutrient ratios with identical calorie intakes have different effects on body composition, cholesterol levels, oxidative stress, etc. Translated, not only is the mantra "a calorie us a calorie" proven to be false, "all fats are created equal" or "protein is protein" is also incorrect. For example, we now know different fats (e.g. fish oils vs. saturated fats) have vastly different effects on metabolism and health in general, as we now know different carbohydrates have their own effects (e.g. high GI vs. low GI), as we know different proteins can have unique effects.

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #109 on: September 11, 2006, 04:09:24 PM »
A good post jmt1 :)

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Re: Reasons Why Low Carb Is The Way TO GO...
« Reply #110 on: September 12, 2006, 01:38:06 AM »
"A calorie is a calorie"

The old school of nutrition, which often includes most nutritionists, is a calorie is a calorie when it comes to gaining or losing weight. That weight loss or weight gain is strictly a matter of "calories in, calories out." Translated, if you "burn" more calories than you take in, you will lose weight regardless of the calorie source and if you eat more calories than you burn off each day, you will gain weight, regardless of the calorie source.

This long held and accepted view of nutrition is based on the fact that protein and carbs contain approx 4 calories per gram and fat approximately 9 calories per gram and the source of those calories matters not. They base this on the many studies that finds if one reduces calories by X number each day, weight loss is the result and so it goes if you add X number of calories above what you use each day for gaining weight.

However, the "calories in calories out" mantra fails to take into account modern research that finds that fats, carbs, and proteins have very different effects on the metabolism via countless pathways, such as their effects on hormones (e.g., insulin, leptin, glucagon, etc), effects on hunger and appetite, thermic effects (heat production), effects on uncoupling proteins (UCPs), and 1000 other effects that could be mentioned.

Even worse, this school of thought fails to take into account the fact that even within a macro nutrient, they too can have different effects on metabolism. This school of thought ignores the ever mounting volume of studies that have found diets with different macro nutrient ratios with identical calorie intakes have different effects on body composition, cholesterol levels, oxidative stress, etc. Translated, not only is the mantra "a calorie us a calorie" proven to be false, "all fats are created equal" or "protein is protein" is also incorrect. For example, we now know different fats (e.g. fish oils vs. saturated fats) have vastly different effects on metabolism and health in general, as we now know different carbohydrates have their own effects (e.g. high GI vs. low GI), as we know different proteins can have unique effects.


Of course a calorie's a calorie but where these calories come from have a drastic effect on body composition...duh! Don't give me all this 1st Law of Thermodynamics bs....all these calorie counts come from calorimeters but how your body processes these foods can have a large variance. Don't forget all the vitamins and minerals all this refined fast food junk lacks...not to mention the absence of cancer-causing compounds that are the hallmrk of manmade foods, as well as between organic and non-organic. The body has understandable difficulty assimilating manmade crap and these toxins will end up sabotaging your muscle gains, fat loss, not to mention general health & wellbeing. As Jack LaLanne says, if man made it, don't eat it! The results speak for themselves...
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