Strength Without Results

[The True Adonis]

why would you even start this again?  First if someone is training in a true DC manner and has any common sense they would realize if they were strictly gaining fat, it's not that hard to see.  Second you discount so many aspect of the system in your argurements it's not even funny.  If you would like to have an intellegent conversation as to why I don't believe you will be gaining strictly fat on this program I'll be glad to but there's more to it than you make it out to be and you know it.  DC recommends doing cardio for fat control, if your getting fat doing what your doing you can control it by a number of ways.  If your a sloth and don't bother to do what is recommended then you will add fat but I bet your gonna add a ton of muscle too.

I was being faceitious.

[The True Adonis]

It's called the square-cube law, and it was first noticed by Galileo. To sum up...

If I doubled in size, my absolute strength would increase by a factor of 4 (not 2) but my volume would increase by a factor of 8. Thus, I would be 4 times stronger, but only half as strong as I was before, relative to my weight (it was one to one before but now it is four to eight). This is why an elephant can't carry another elephant on its back, but you could carry your girlfriend on your back, and an ant could carry 50 of his pals on his back.

Likewise, if you shrink something, it becomes weaker and weaker absolutely, but stronger and stronger relative to its own size. This is why ants and other insects and little powerlifters are so strong, for their size. It's also why you can drop a toy truck from 100 feet and nothing happens to it, but a real truck would get destroyed. It's also what limits the size of living things, from cells to bluewhales to dinosaurs.

In fact, a human the size of an ant would be about 3 times stronger than an ant, assuming it could survive at that size (it can't, too many physiological reasons to list, but tiny and large animals have extremely different biologies for a reason).

Yes!

Animals biologies are Strictly a result of evolution.

I always wondered what would happen to a human population in space over time if continually bred in a Zero-G enviroment.

The lifespan would certainly decrease at first, as limbs would become useless,causing poor blood flow leading to hosts of other problems.   Eventually, Humans would not have limbs.

[rccs]

Actually my optium weight is 225 at 10% or below but in strenght wise that extra size is not all fat but added muscle, when i train natural i bulk to the point of setting a good foudation of strength for when i turn to the darkside.
Can you deadlift 600 at your current bodyweight
It pisses me off this little gym rat does 4 plates per side for reps benchpress.i Have asked him if he was juicing he just laughed and said no.
I am fucking perplexed,There must be some physiological explanation?Tendon strength.
This gym rat keeps me up at night with his lifts that i can only exceed with the darkside of the force.

By the size you are telling, your "strong" friend must be master YODA!!!! "The dark side leave you must. With mr train you should"! Some day he will tell you that, don't worry!!!

[The True Adonis]

Evolution my friends is the most amazing thing.

[mrsirjojo]

Exactly why I am stronger now, than When I was eating Chicken Breast and Oats at 70 lbs overweight.

You could also cut off your legs and have a better bench, pound for pound. That isn't what the square-cube law explains though.

[mrsirjojo]

When humans get technology advanced enough to breed in a Zero-G environment (unless they make a spacestation which emulates gravity through some kind of centrifugal movement perhaps) they would probably also be able to do some genetical manipulation of themselves to adapt to the new environment

There are still a number of things to work out first. Bone density diminishes quickly in space. Gravity could be simulated though, by spinning the craft, as in 2001.

[The True Adonis]

There are still a number of things to work out first. Bone density diminishes quickly in space. Gravity could be simulated though, by spinning the craft, as in 2001.

Yes.Spinning would increase the G-pull.

2001 is one hell of a movie.

[The True Adonis]

Yep, spinning the craft = centrifugal mechanism.

Not only bone density, but also the stuff that produces red bloodcells also diminishes from what I've heard.(damn, can't remember the english word for it   )

Something that I have been wanting to try is to build a weight suit that covers the entire body with weight, In fact, mimicking the effect of an increased gravity.  Muscles and tendons would be forced to adapt.  Making it ambulatory and feasible with a given adjustable increasing resistance is difficult though.

[The True Adonis]

If you really did that, it would be a great experiment. The question is if the human genetical programming has limits regarding adaption to extraordinarily high G forces. You might adapt, or you'll just become fatigued.

What about designing it with some sort of micro hydrolic devices with adjustable strength, or changeable rubberbands? Both could yield increased resistance, although it would be one hell of an engineering feat to pull it off

Yes!

I have thouught about this as well with my muscle suit.

The real issue would be joint wear. 

[The True Adonis]

hahhahhha I can picture it now.

Me eating Ice Cream and Pizza all day wearing my muscle suit posting on here about how gym memberships are pointless.

hahhahah

[The True Adonis]

HAHAHAHA 

Keep us updated on the Gravity suit project, whatever the result will be, it's interesting, challenging and intellectually stimulating. Engineering type academics can sometimes seem abstract, but when one start using it to create something, it's fun as hell!

I have actually come up with a way to mimicking the gravity suit using gym equipment!!!!!

It just occurred to me while sitting here thinking.

I am going to try my hypothesize........Time to try another fun method!

This is going to be interesting.

[HUGEPECS]

 
http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/2880

holy shit, that's fcuking impressive to say the least.

[HUGEPECS]

No it s defitely not your typical gym.  But either are the 24 Hour Fitness's here.  Allot of strong guys train at them here.  As I have said all along, I have maybe trained in 200+ gyms since 1973, and nowhere have I found more strong guys in oneplace than here in Hawaii. I can bet the Gold's here on Oahu or even Kona has more 400+ benchers than any other gym in country.  I bet we have at this small gym here at least 30 guys who can bench 400+.

What's your best lift on the bench Onlyme?

[Xecutioner]

This has been one of the more interesting threads in a while. Thanks guys.

[The True Adonis]

This has been one of the more interesting threads in a while. Thanks guys.

I can continue if you would like.

Perhaps it will make a lot of people realize that it is completely fine that they don`t bench or squat a certain weight.

[Xecutioner]

By all means, continue.

[mrsirjojo]

Something that I have been wanting to try is to build a weight suit that covers the entire body with weight, In fact, mimicking the effect of an increased gravity.  Muscles and tendons would be forced to adapt.  Making it ambulatory and feasible with a given adjustable increasing resistance is difficult though.

This already exists. It's called Fat. Just gain a ton of weight and wear a football helmet. It's why fat people are strong at static lifts like the bench but suck at anything that also requires them to move their lardasses at the same time, like a vertical jump.

[The True Adonis]

This already exists. It's called Fat. Just gain a ton of weight and wear a football helmet. It's why fat people are strong at static lifts like the bench but suck at anything that also requires them to move their lardasses at the same time, like a vertical jump.

Thats not enough weight and it is not applied adequately in the right places.

Plus fat takes a while to strip off, whereas a Muscle suit you could take on and off in an instant.

[Woten]

TA, may I congratulate you on your nonchalant sidestepping of Natural Als hamfisted attempt to spike you

Deft, most deft

[mrsirjojo]

Thats not enough weight and it is not applied adequately in the right places.

Plus fat takes a while to strip off, whereas a Muscle suit you could take on and off in an instant.

THey do make weght vests for athletes, but I wouldn't recommend them unless, ironically, you're already so fit you can barely benefit from one anyway, since you can kill your joints wearing them.

[The True Adonis]

THey do make weght vests for athletes, but I wouldn't recommend them unless, ironically, you're already so fit you can barely benefit from one anyway, since you can kill your joints wearing them.

The stress I think is due to the unequal placement which causes an imbalance of force upon the body.

The weight has to be equally distributed and correct points so that the chance of injury will be statistically lower.

I may never have to leave my computer chair for Mr. Getbig 2007.

[The True Adonis]

The stress I think is due to the unequal placement which causes an imbalance of force upon the body.

The weight has to be equally distributed and correct points so that the chance of injury will be statistically lower.

I may never have to leave my computer chair for Mr. Getbig 2007.

Let me add to that.

My workouts will be trips to the fridge.

[The True Adonis]

Terms of physics:

Gravity: is the natural force of attraction between any two objects. The force of attraction is constant at 9.8 m/s^2.

Work: is the transfer of energy by mechanical means. It can be calculated by multiplying the amount of force  applied to the object by the distance that the object moved.

Power: is the amount of work that is performed per unit time.

Friction: is the force the opposes the motion of an object. It acts against the movement of an object and is equal in strength to the force applied to the object. (Static friction is the force the opposes the initial movement of an object's resting position.)

Simple machine: is a simple device, such as a pulley or an inclined plane that changes the magnitude or  direction of the applied force. (A complex machine is a system made up of many simple machines.)

Mechanical Advantage: is the ratio of the force exerted by a machine to the force applied to the machine. Having more mechanical advantage on a machines, makes it seem like you are doing less work, but in reality you are not. A machine with a higher mechanical advantage supports the load better.

Potential Energy: is the amount of energy that an object has stored up an is equivalent to the product of the object's mass multiplied by the force of gravity multiplied by the object's distance from it's initial position.

Kinetic Energy: is the amount of energy that a moving object possesses. An object's kinetic energy is greatest when it is halfway between the two ends of its motion.

Mechanical Energy: is the sum of the potential and kinetic energies of an object at any given moment. In a closed system, mechanical energy remains unchanged. Although the amounts of energy can change back and forth between kinetic and potential.

Acceleration: is measured by dividing an object's velocity by a unit time. The gravitational acceleration constant is 9.8m/s^2. It is the rate at which an object's velocity changes.

Velocity: is equal to the distance that an object travels per unit time in a certain direction. It is a vector quantity, meaning it contains both speed and direction.

Mass: is unaffected by the location of the object. It can be calculated by dividing the amount of force acting on it by its acceleration.

Forces (Fa, Fn, Ff, and Fw): Force applied is the force in which the person applies to an object (person to barbell). Force friction is the force that the object exerts equal in magnitude but opposite in direction of the Force applied. Force weight is the force in which the object exerts in the negative direction (value is the object's weight multiplied by gravity in N.) Force normal is the force exerted by the floor or where the object is resting equal in magnitude but opposite in direction of the Force weight.

Newton's 1st law: states that a body will remain moving at a constant speed (which could be zero) and in the same direction until acted upon by an outside force.

Newton's 2nd law: states the measurement of the amount of force acting on an object is equal to the object's mass multiplied by it's acceleration.

Newton's 3rd law: states that for every force acting on an object, the object exerts an equal force back but opposite in direction.

[The True Adonis]

You might not realize it, but every time you weight lift you are actually performing work on the barbell.

    By definition Work is the "transfer of energy by mechanical means". Work can be calculated by multiplying the amount of force (N) applied to the object by the distance (m) that the object moved.

W = F x d

Where work is measured in the Joule(J), force in  Newtons(N), and distance in  meters(m)

    The unit of work is a Joule(J) which is named in honor of the physicist James Prescott Joule (1818 - 1889) who discovered that there was a link between heat and other forms of energy. One Joule is equal to one Newton-meter.

For example, if you are performing a hang clean, every time you push the bar upwards, it is accelerating against the force of gravity (Fg = 9.8m/s^2). Lets say that you started with the weight resting on the floor and raised it above your head to a final height of 6m above the ground - the distance the bar traveled is 6m up. If you pushed upwards on the weight with enough force to accelerate the bar 14.8m/s^2 upwards, the total acceleration of the bar would be (14.8m/s^2 up - 9.8m/s^2 down) 5m/s^2 in the upwards direction. If the bar had a mass of 10kg then the total amount of force that you applied to the bar would be 50N (Force is measured by the unit Newton(N), 1N = 1kg m/s^2). Now you can substitute those values into the equation W = F x d. Your final answer should be W = 300J (W = 50N x 6m).

    In order to calculate the work that has gone into lifting your weights, you must first know how to calculate force. The force applied to an object is equal to the mass of the object times the objects acceleration.

Fa = m x  a

   

    You might be thinking 'well that sounds simple, all I do to calculate work is multiply the distance I lifted the weight by the force that I had to apply to it'. There is however one very important condition.

 For work to be done on an object, the force has to be in the same direction as the object's movement!   

    Weights are not always lifted in perpendicular or parallel lines to the floor, sometimes weightlifting involves tricky things called angles. If your weightlifting exercise involves angles, such as the 45 degree leg press, in order to properly calculate the amount of work you do on the weight, you have to visualize a triangle and split up the distance into both vertical and horizontal parts by using the following set of equations:

Tan (angle theta) = opposite/adjacent

Cos (angle theta) = adjacent/hypotenuse

Sin (angle theta) = opposite/hypotenuse

    If you were lying on your back and raised a 45 pound weight (20.45 kg) 1 meter at a 45 degree angle how much work would you have performed?

 

    In order to calculate the above problem you have to remember that to calculate work the force applied to the object has to be in the same direction as the distance the object is moved. Although you are pushing the weight over and up a total of 1 meter you are only raising the weight .707m (Sin45 = y/1m   y = .707m vertically). Now that you have the distance the object is moved you have to calculate the amount of force acting on the object. Since F = ma the total force acting on the weight is 200.41N (F = 20.45 x 9.8m/s^2). You now have all of the necessary components to calculate work. W = (200.41)(.707m) = 141.69J

   

[The True Adonis]

By definition, Power is the amount of work that is performed in a certain amount of time.

P = W / t

    Since work is measured in the unit of Joules, and time is measured in seconds, Power is measured in Joules/Second, or watts. Most often though, watts are to small of a measurement, therefore we use the measurement of kilowatts (1000 watts.) Machines tend to use horsepower rather than watts. One horsepower is equal to 750 watts.

    While a bulky weightlifting may look as if he is more powerful than woman lifting lighter weight, the woman may have more power. If each weightlifter was doing the same amount of work, but in shorter amounts of time, they would have different amounts of power.

Scenario 1:

A man is bench presses 225 lbs (102.27 kg), 10 times in 1 minute in a distance of 0.5 m Another man bench presses 225 lbs, but 10 times in 10 seconds also in a distance of 0.5 m Who has more power?

Answer:

    Both men do the same amount of work but in different times. They each do1002.27 J of work. W=(102.27*9.8m/s^2)(0.5m). Man one does 16.75 watts of power. (1002.27 J / 60 seconds.) Man two does 100.23 watts of power. (1002.27 / 10 seconds.) Because Power = work/time, the second man has more power because he does the same amount of work in less time.