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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: WalterWhite on March 04, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
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Drug talk is around 13:40
Any thoughts on this?
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Drug talk is around 13:40
Any thoughts on this?
He seems genuine enough - If he’s got good quality PEDs then his amounts are believable
& Sufficient - I’d rather listen to him than some of the Idiotic Shotgun dosages spouted by many.
Many many fools think More is Better.
Just as an aside I know 2 Lads On Supposedly Tren 600mg 3x a week + whatever else.
Very clearly there 600mg Tren is Crap.
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His liver hasn't made a comment thus far.
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He seems genuine enough - If he’s got good quality PEDs then his amounts are believable
& Sufficient - I’d rather listen to him than some of the Idiotic Shotgun dosages spouted by many.
Many many fools think More is Better.
Just as an aside I know 2 Lads On Supposedly Tren 600mg 3x a week + whatever else.
Very clearly there 600mg Tren is Crap.
He must really have a tough time with weight if he's running zero test. Most of the pro's I've heard on podcasts/yt willing to discuss gear keep it fairly sensible all things considered. Standard test seems to run from 1k to 1.5 and pharm gh 4 to 8.
That tren must be under dosed.
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He must really have a tough time with weight if he's running zero test. Most of the pro's I've heard on podcasts/yt willing to discuss gear keep it fairly sensible all things considered. Standard test seems to run from 1k to 1.5 and pharm gh 4 to 8.
That tren must be under dosed.
Yeah the no Test was the only part I fount a bit odd.
Maybe he’s having a break.
I’d agree with a gram of test if it’s proper good quality that should be ample
Though these 270lb + monsters may well be upping that.
As for those I know taking 1800mg of Tren ace a week 🙄 - I don’t bother trying to speak to
Them about what their taking etc. It’s not worth the effort.
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Yeah the no Test was the only part I fount a bit odd.
Maybe he’s having a break.
I’d agree with a gram of test if it’s proper good quality that should be ample
Though these 270lb + monsters may well be upping that.
As for those I know taking 1800mg of Tren ace a week 🙄 - I don’t bother trying to speak to
Them about what their taking etc. It’s not worth the effort.
I just wonder what motivates people to take these crazy amounts. ???
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I just wonder what motivates people to take these crazy amounts. ???
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I just wonder what motivates people to take these crazy amounts. ???
Stupidity I put it down to & The More is Better Principle
Plus Bunk gear.
2 of the Idiots I’m aware of - 1 is quite tall 6ft & lean and always on about getting huge - Yet hasn’t changed In over 2yrs. Not particularly Bright.
The other is 45+ & trains chest / shoulders / Arms & around 160lb & not as Bright as the other one. !!
They sometimes train together, if it can be called that. They hoist things should I say.
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He must really have a tough time with weight if he's running zero test. Most of the pro's I've heard on podcasts/yt willing to discuss gear keep it fairly sensible all things considered. Standard test seems to run from 1k to 1.5 and pharm gh 4 to 8.
That tren must be under dosed.
Matt porter (rip) and that Canadian pro Fouid or whoever you spell his name said test tops off at around 1 gram to 1.25 grams per week and I've heard other pros on YouTube say the same
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Matt porter (rip) and that Canadian pro Fouid or whoever you spell his name said test tops off at around 1 gram to 1.25 grams per week and I've heard other pros on YouTube say the same
What you mean by "tops off"?
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What you mean by "tops off"?
Basically that a higher dose gives much less benefits, and 1 to 1.25 grams is the sweet spot for gains and they didn't see much more gains at higher doses
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Ah I understand and agree. Thank you
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Matt porter (rip) and that Canadian pro Fouid or whoever you spell his name said test tops off at around 1 gram to 1.25 grams per week and I've heard other pros on YouTube say the same
45:45 He discussed test only and a relatively "safe cycle." I think he discussed higher test dosing on on of his podcasts with Luke.
Stupidity I put it down to & The More is Better Principle
Plus Bunk gear.
2 of the Idiots I’m aware of - 1 is quite tall 6ft & lean and always on about getting huge - Yet hasn’t changed In over 2yrs. Not particularly Bright.
The other is 45+ & trains chest / shoulders / Arms & around 160lb & not as Bright as the other one. !!
They sometimes train together, if it can be called that. They hoist things should I say.
Ha we could have a whole thread on this. :D There is this one guy that goes to one of the gyms I belong to who reminds of those guys. He is an older guy with the high hematocrit beat red face. He is lean/vascular but with a weird gut, and has a thinning marine haircut with way over done black Just For Men color covering the thin top. Not sure what he's on but need to tone it down. ???
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45:45 He discussed test only and a relatively "safe cycle." I think he discussed higher test dosing on on of his podcasts with Luke.
Ha we could have a whole thread on this. :D There is this one guy that goes to one of the gyms I belong to who reminds of those guys. He is an older guy with the high hematocrit beat red face. He is lean/vascular but with a weird gut, and has a thinning marine haircut with way over done black Just For Men color covering the thin top. Not sure what he's on but need to tone it down. ???
Thanks for that vid highlight that's straight to the point brosef
I'm only on 350 mgs prop right now but I thought about blasting it to 700-1 gram or just to keep it at 350 mgs prop and add in either primo or var, so his answer to that q has helped me out so thanks again my man
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Gear talk begins at 1:20. Interesting back and forth.
Luke's off season is 500mg test and maybe 300 primo. Say's he no longer has to push it because he has the size he needs.
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Gear talk begins at 1:20. Interesting back and forth.
Luke's off season is 500mg test and maybe 300 primo. Say's he no longer has to push it because he has the size he needs.
There is a reason he is a Pro and we all know part of that is response to anabolics, so he may be honest here.
I train with a guy thats 280 and his so-called "off-season cruise" is 800mg/Week. He is a genetic freak!! So this could be very true.
Food is the most important and we all know he eats like a bear.
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test dose is true. even the original (and in my opinion the best) steroid guru Dan Duchaine had said that test works great but the cutoff seems to be around 2000 mgs a week as far as results vs side effects. BUT he said the real gains come with 5000 mgs a week.
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test dose is true. even the original (and in my opinion the best) steroid guru Dan Duchaine had said that test works great but the cutoff seems to be around 2000 mgs a week as far as results vs side effects. BUT he said the real gains come with 5000 mgs a week.
I believe he meant 5grams total of gear... not 5grams of test a week... not 100% sure though.
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I believe he meant 5grams total of gear... not 5grams of test a week... not 100% sure though.
Most pros say 1000-1200 mgs is top end dose of test
Even in this recent vid that Mr. White just posted the short guy (forgot his name) said he saw no further benefit from going past 1200 mgs of test size wise (he did say increased mood/aggression but no extra size/mass benefits were obtained)
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I just wonder what motivates people to take these crazy amounts. ???
Ramy took 3 gr Tren per week :o
And 5 gr Test
And much more...
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How much test did guys from the early to mid 90s run?
Pretty sure most were under 1 gram
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Ramy took 3 gr Tren per week :o
And 5 gr Test
And much more...
Where did you hear this?
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Where did you hear this?
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And you Believe That ?
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And you Believe That ?
Why not?
I know guys who are doing their first beginners contest and they take:
1000 Test
600 gr Tren
600 Mast
100 Anadrol per day
6 HGH
Can you imagine Big Ramy
https://www.evolutionary.org/big-ramy-steroids
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Why not?
I know guys who are doing their first beginners contest and they take:
1000 Test
600 gr Tren
600 Mast
100 Anadrol per day
6 HGH
Can you imagine Big Ramy
https://www.evolutionary.org/big-ramy-steroids
More fool you & Those 1st Timers.
Carry on.
Oh & I’ve a really nice Bridge to Sell You.
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More fool you & Those 1st Timers.
Carry on.
Oh & I’ve a really nice Bridge to Sell You.
Why fool?
It is the hard true
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Why fool?
It is the hard true
What is “the hard true” ? Mean ?
So they’re using higher amounts than Dorian as Mr Olympia
Yep they’ve clearly got the right perspective.
Though I do take into account most of the Gear out there is sub standard
In quality & dosage.
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What is “the hard true” ? Mean ?
So they’re using higher amounts than Dorian as Mr Olympia
Yep they’ve clearly got the right perspective.
Though I do take into account most of the Gear out there is sub standard
In quality & dosage.
I think you have never seen the real AAS cycle of Yates....
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I think you have never seen the real AAS cycle of Yates....
You didn’t explain what “the hard True” meant ?
And what on Earth makes you come to that conclusion that I don’t know what pretty much
What Dorian was using. - Please explain ??
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You didn’t explain what “the hard True” meant ?
And what on Earth makes you come to that conclusion that I don’t know what pretty much
What Dorian was using. - Please explain ??
Those with sub par genetics believe that you need to blast grams and grams of gear to be big 200+ @ 5-6% when in reality they just have sub-par genetics and could never get that big in that condition no matter how much they took (some are just genetically blessed in this regard and no I'm not one of them)
So basically they think that since they can't get to a big conditioned size on a reasonable dose of gear they could do so if they were just willing to blast tons of gear and yet they would never be able to do so due to thier sub-par genetics
And no its not due to a lack of a proper diet or proper training either, they basically just don't have the genes for it, end of story
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You didn’t explain what “the hard True” meant ?
And what on Earth makes you come to that conclusion that I don’t know what pretty much
What Dorian was using. - Please explain ??
The hard true is that a lot of gymrats are using lot of anabolics nowadays. :-\
You're note about Dorian didn't make sense. Do you really believe Dorian took only moderest amounts of AAS? ??? ::) ::)
You believe in fairytales.
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Those with sub par genetics believe that you need to blast grams and grams of gear to be big 200+ @ 5-6% when in reality they just have sub-par genetics and could never get that big in that condition no matter how much they took (some are just genetically blessed in this regard and no I'm not one of them)
So basically they think that since they can't get to a big conditioned size on a reasonable dose of gear they could do so if they were just willing to blast tons of gear and yet they would never be able to do so due to thier sub-par genetics
And no its not due to a lack of a proper diet or proper training either, they basically just don't have the genes for it, end of story
Partly true.
At a certain level, every contender has good genetics, so the difference is who can handle the most AAS and other substances.(chemical warfare)
Or do you believe the olympia contenders for example Roelly Winklaar are using only moderest amounts of AAS/Slin etc?
Keep on dreaming.
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Those with sub par genetics believe that you need to blast grams and grams of gear to be big 200+ @ 5-6% when in reality they just have sub-par genetics and could never get that big in that condition no matter how much they took (some are just genetically blessed in this regard and no I'm not one of them)
So basically they think that since they can't get to a big conditioned size on a reasonable dose of gear they could do so if they were just willing to blast tons of gear and yet they would never be able to do so due to thier sub-par genetics
And no its not due to a lack of a proper diet or proper training either, they basically just don't have the genes for it, end of story
Straight from Chad Nichols to a top Mr Olympia competitor for his offseason
- wake up and take 100mcg t4, 25mcg t3, 6iu serostim subq
- 30mins after gh shot, take 10iu humalog IM and eat breakfast (2 cups oats, 2 cups egg whites, 1-2 bananas, avoid fats!)
- 2 hours later, pre workout meal: same as breakfast plus 2 tablespoons of peanut butter to keep carbs in system longer
- 20 mins pre workout take 15iu humulin-r IM
- while working out sip on 150g dextrose, 2 scoops BCAA's and 2 scoops of creatine
- immediately post workout drink 100g whey protein
- 20-30 mins later take 6iu serostim IV
- 20-30 mins after the gh eat a meal high in protein and high in carbs but low in fat (12-16oz chicken breast, 2 sweet potatoes, etc)
- 2 hours later take 10iu humalog IM and eat another meal high in protein and carbs but low in fat
- rest of the meals you can start to eat some red meat, add some fats, etc
3,000mg testosterone any ester
1,200mg deca
1,200mg eq
30 days on/30 days off anadrol 100-150mg
12iu serostim taken in 2 shots as directed
100mcg t4 every morning
25mcg t3 every morning
humulin-r and humalog taken as directed
Frank Mcgrath is probably one of the biggest bodybuilders out there, he has some freaky size and great symmetry. His shredded lower back is almost like none other. Albeit, he has suffered some set backs in his career. In 2008, he tore his tricep in training, and was away from professional bodybuilding for sometime. Thereafter, in 2010, he had a serious card accident and had his spleen removed. The man is a machine! After having his spleen removed, he came back to bodybuilding!!! That’s admirable in one way, but very scary in another. These guys use a lot of drugs to stay on top, and it’s scary to think how these injuries are going to impact his health.
A lot of guys have contacted me lately, asking what kind of steroids cycle Frank Mcgrath is doing, and what steroids does he run during his season (on and off). I’m going to throw up a general steroid cycle that Frank Mcgrath is doing, like all the other pros. Keep in mind, I’m going to put out JUST his steroid use NOT his insulin, HGH, DNP etc. use. That’s a completely different ballgame.
Frank Mcgrath Steroids Cycle
Week Testosterone
Cypionate
Sustanon Anadrol Cardarine
GW-
501516
Ostarine
MK-
2866
Trenbolone
Acetate
Aromasin
1 1000mgs/
monday
1000mgs/
wed+fri
100mgs/
ED 30mgs/
ED
25mgs
/ED
200mgs/
ED
50mgs/
ED
2 1000mgs/
monday
1000mgs/
wed+fri
100mgs/
ED 30mgs/
ED
25mgs/
ED
200mgs/
ED
50mgs/
ED
3 same same same same 25mgs/ED 200mgs/
ED
50mgs/
ED
4 same same same same 25mgs/ED same same
5 same same same same 25mgs/ED same same
6 same same same same 25mgs/ED same same
7 same same same same same same same
8 same same same same same same same
9 same same same same same same same
10 same same same same same same same
11 same same OFF same same same same
12 same same OFF same same same same
13 same same OFF same same same same
14 same same OFF same same same same
15 same same OFF same same same same
16 same same 100mgs/
ED same same same same
17 same same 100mgs/
ED same same same same
18 same same 100mgs/
ED same same same same
19 same same 100mgs/
ED same same same same
20 same same 100mgs/
ED same same same same
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You didn’t explain what “the hard True” meant ?
And what on Earth makes you come to that conclusion that I don’t know what pretty much
What Dorian was using. - Please explain ??
dorian yates:week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 2 ----3000mg test cyp---200mg dbol/a day
week 3-----4000mg test cyp---300mg dbol/day
week 4 -----5000mg test cyp---no dbol
week 5------3000mg test susp---200mg anadrol
week 6------4000mg test susp---300mg anadrol
week 7-------4000mg test susp---400mg anadrol
week 9-------10,000 iu hcg--800mg clomid
week10-------20,000iu hcg--1000mg clomid
week 11------4000mg test prop---100mg halotestin
week 12------4000mg test prop----200mg hal0
weel 13-------5000mg test prop----300mg halo
week 14-------3000mg test sus-----300mg halo----1000mg masterone
week 15-------4000mg test sus-----400mg halo----1000mg masterone
weekl 16-------10,000iu hcg---1000mg clomid
week 17--------20,000iu hcg---2000mg clomid
week 18--------30 ,000iu hcg---3000mg clomid
week 20---------2500mg test susp---1000mg of fina---
weel 21----------3500mg test susp--1500mg of fina
week 22----------4500mg test susp--20oomg of fina
week 23 ----------5000mg test susp---2500mg of fina
week 24 ----------1500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 25-----------2500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 26 -----------3500 mg test prop----300mg anadrol---1000mg masterone/day
week 27------------1500mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200mg winng/day
week 29------------1500 mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200 mg winny/day
week 30 ------------1500mg test susp------100mg anadrol---300mg
---------- Toegevoegd om 23:24 ---------- De post hierboven werd geplaatst om 23:19 ----------
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dorian yates:week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 1----2000mg test cyp---150mg dbol/a day
week 2 ----3000mg test cyp---200mg dbol/a day
week 3-----4000mg test cyp---300mg dbol/day
week 4 -----5000mg test cyp---no dbol
week 5------3000mg test susp---200mg anadrol
week 6------4000mg test susp---300mg anadrol
week 7-------4000mg test susp---400mg anadrol
week 9-------10,000 iu hcg--800mg clomid
week10-------20,000iu hcg--1000mg clomid
week 11------4000mg test prop---100mg halotestin
week 12------4000mg test prop----200mg hal0
weel 13-------5000mg test prop----300mg halo
week 14-------3000mg test sus-----300mg halo----1000mg masterone
week 15-------4000mg test sus-----400mg halo----1000mg masterone
weekl 16-------10,000iu hcg---1000mg clomid
week 17--------20,000iu hcg---2000mg clomid
week 18--------30 ,000iu hcg---3000mg clomid
week 20---------2500mg test susp---1000mg of fina---
weel 21----------3500mg test susp--1500mg of fina
week 22----------4500mg test susp--20oomg of fina
week 23 ----------5000mg test susp---2500mg of fina
week 24 ----------1500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 25-----------2500mg test prop-----500mg anadrol
week 26 -----------3500 mg test prop----300mg anadrol---1000mg masterone/day
week 27------------1500mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200mg winng/day
week 29------------1500 mg test susp-----200mg anadrol---200 mg winny/day
week 30 ------------1500mg test susp------100mg anadrol---300mg
---------- Toegevoegd om 23:24 ---------- De post hierboven werd geplaatst om 23:19 ----------
Are you Stupid or just being obtuse ?
You’re completely unable to answer simple straight forward questions
Either Answer or Fuck off with your stupidity.
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Guess what year this photo was taken?
1975
And that's a pretty well developed fella there without huge gear doses and before slin and gh were even around/available
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Are you Stupid or just being obtuse ?
You’re completely unable to answer simple straight forward questions
Either Answer or Fuck off with your stupidity.
You believe in fairytales.
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You believe in fairytales.
Very Clearly you are devoid of any intelligent ability
You’re incapable of answering simple questions, They’re to difficult for you.
Carry on in your fantasy land
Now Fuck Off Gimmick
Now Fuck Off Gimmick
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At around 11:30 the drug talk begins. Some would consider Chris's off season test dose "trt" :D. Also he has never used GH or slin.
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At around 11:30 the drug talk begins. Some would consider Chris's off season test dose "trt" :D. Also he has never used GH or slin.
Not more than 500 mgs test off season and test only for cbum
Like I said before genetics rule
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Guess what year this photo was taken?
1975
And that's a pretty well developed fella there without huge gear doses and before slin and gh were even around/available
That's subject to your definition of "huge" but yes, certainly not the insanity of today.
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That's subject to your definition of "huge" but yes, certainly not the insanity of today.
From what I read back in 70s the drugs used were dbol, deca, primo, winny and anavar and the powerlifters used test more than BB
A common bulk stack back then was 400 mgs deca and 20-25 mgs dbol
Cutting was 200 mgs primo and 30 mgs var or winny
Just listened to Milos and he said he never ran more than 750 mgs of test a week in the 90s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JRQH8Q4Lks
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This photo is from 1967
Wonder what he was running?
Highly doubt it was grams of even 1 gram of gear, also no slin and gh around back then
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i dont know why people still try to convince each other about pro dosages.
You retards who think pro's get to 270 single digit on same doses we cant reach 190 in singles. like what the fuck do you think these guys are made of? some superhuman genetic? and if theyre so fuking swole on 500mg test, and their entire life and existence and purpose is to get jacked and win olympia. but nahhhh they wanna be safe running their 500mg test coz theyre happy with their size LOL, you guys keep doing your thing.
Christo, you are 100% right, but give up trying to convince others of your point of view, its liberating to let them believe whatever they like, let them idlose and put these drug abusers at god status for no reason as if they are special.
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From what I read back in 70s the drugs used were dbol, deca, primo, winny and anavar and the powerlifters used test more than BB
A common bulk stack back then was 400 mgs deca and 20-25 mgs dbol
Cutting was 200 mgs primo and 30 mgs var or winny
Just listened to Milos and he said he never ran more than 750 mgs of test a week in the 90s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JRQH8Q4Lks
biggest piece of shit liar as if he is telling the truth. he was smallest pro out there and syntholed the life out of his biceps, but yes only used 750 test makes sense, yet loaded his arms full of oil, cant you guys see wtf. why would they admit to using the actual dosages when there are retards like all of you who obsess over these meatheads and put them to god status, someone as insecure as a BB is really gonna say, "Nah bud come on im same as you buddy, i just abuse life out of test and tren and gh and slin and npp and eq...." then next time he sees you and you are also 250 8% and no respect left for him, hes not so special anymore. This is why BB is fucked, Usain Bolt can say yes i do this, and u try it and cant run as fast. Bodybuild if you take what they take you will have the size!!! Now the beauty and symmetry, thats diff. also health, will you get sick and BP through roof? but the next guy is tolerating it and no sides? THATS genetics, not reaching 300lb on 300mg, fuck
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This photo is from 1967
Wonder what he was running?
Highly doubt it was grams of even 1 gram of gear, also no slin and gh around back then
i dont know height but he was probably sub 200, of course he wasnt running grams and grams of test and gh, but if u think he was running less than a gram of gear, somewhere between 1-2g u should know beter especially how long u been around.. But he will look better than you at 190, but using same cycle u will likely be give or take same weight, he will get u on quality and symmetry and illusioon of being much bigger. Those guys of old era were where they are because they looked 220 at 190, etc. Nowdays they look 250 and claiming 280, get it? thats why select few did it in 80s 70s and now every retard can become a BB with enough aas gh and slin, look at regan grimes, look at his neck, its off a 150lb twink coz he had no fondation before blwoing himself up like a rubber doll.
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I just wonder what motivates people to take these crazy amounts. ???
its the fact that most of today's men 18-30 age range have been brought up with a sense of entitlement and that breeds laziness!
Instead of eating a ton and training like today is your last day on earth and doing that every day, day in and day out, which is just way too difficult for them, they pound gear like its candy.
So, they use lots of UGL gear and expect to be Mr Olympia. When they dont get the results they want, they dont rethink their training, their diet, and the limitations of their genetics.... they just add more drugs.
The cycle repeats and what you have is idiots taking huge amounts of all types of gear, not just Tren.
What happens to these types is very predictable - they end up burnt out, look like shit, and have all the sides to show for it ... or they end up in the worst place possible - 6 feet under ground!
There are so many dumb asses pushing huge doses of Tren into their bodies and they have no clue how evil that compound is!
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Frank Mcgrath is probably one of the biggest bodybuilders out there, he has some freaky size and great symmetry. His shredded lower back is almost like none other. Albeit, he has suffered some set backs in his career. In 2008, he tore his tricep in training, and was away from professional bodybuilding for sometime. Thereafter, in 2010, he had a serious card accident and had his spleen removed. The man is a machine! After having his spleen removed, he came back to bodybuilding!!! That’s admirable in one way, but very scary in another. These guys use a lot of drugs to stay on top, and it’s scary to think how these injuries are going to impact his health. A lot of guys have contacted me lately, asking what kind of steroids cycle Frank Mcgrath is doing, and what steroids does he run during his season (on and off). I’m going to throw up a general steroid cycle that Frank Mcgrath is doing, like all the other pros. Keep in mind, I’m going to put out JUST his steroid use NOT his insulin, HGH, DNP etc. use. That’s a completely different ballgame.
Of course, I have no doubt that people were shocked and impressed by his muscles, that's why they simply wanted to know information about steroids. Talking of that, I can share with you this great website called Steroidninja (https://steroidninja.com/) because it has plenty of positive reviews and recommendations. I also purchased steroids from it, four times already and they delivered them in the shortest terms.
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thats rick wayne in that pic. he was a decent bodybuilder but very very racist. ( like all blacks) well actually rick is from the caribbean or something. not a native to the usa. rick was about 5ft 8 or 9 i think under 200 lbs. i think competed about 185 or so. anyways the guys back in the day all built a good foundation before using roids. so when they say its only the finishing touch or it helps 5 percent or whatever then for them they are not lying. because they went as far as they could BEFORE using roids. and their doses were in fact low ( compared to nowdays) and it was deca dball primo winstrol and sometimes parabolin . very few used test. notice they all looked different no one had really bad skin or lost their hair etc. now days guys start using gear as soon as they start lifting. everyone want a shortcut. and yes the pros use alot . ALOT . and notice tose guys from yesteryear are living long lives. they used for 8 weeks or so went off 8weeks or so then repeated. arnold would deflate after the olympia and then be big for the next mr olympia. these guys now days dont come off. they switch compounds but stay on. plus all the slin hgh rec drugs thyroid dnp etc etc. its chemical warfare NOT bodybuilding. bring back real bodybuilding, big, muscular ,proportionate symmetrical and can actually pose.
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thats rick wayne in that pic. he was a decent bodybuilder but very very racist. ( like all blacks) well actually rick is from the caribbean or something. not a native to the usa. rick was about 5ft 8 or 9 i think under 200 lbs. i think competed about 185 or so. anyways the guys back in the day all built a good foundation before using roids. so when they say its only the finishing touch or it helps 5 percent or whatever then for them they are not lying. because they went as far as they could BEFORE using roids. and their doses were in fact low ( compared to nowdays) and it was deca dball primo winstrol and sometimes parabolin . very few used test. notice they all looked different no one had really bad skin or lost their hair etc. now days guys start using gear as soon as they start lifting. everyone want a shortcut. and yes the pros use alot . ALOT . and notice tose guys from yesteryear are living long lives. they used for 8 weeks or so went off 8weeks or so then repeated. arnold would deflate after the olympia and then be big for the next mr olympia. these guys now days dont come off. they switch compounds but stay on. plus all the slin hgh rec drugs thyroid dnp etc etc. its chemical warfare NOT bodybuilding. bring back real bodybuilding, big, muscular ,proportionate symmetrical and can actually pose.
Rick Wayne was a great writer with a really good physique. I would be interested to know why you say he was racist. Is there anything he wrote or did that showed this?
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Those with sub par genetics believe that you need to blast grams and grams of gear to be big 200+ @ 5-6% when in reality they just have sub-par genetics and could never get that big in that condition no matter how much they took (some are just genetically blessed in this regard and no I'm not one of them)
So basically they think that since they can't get to a big conditioned size on a reasonable dose of gear they could do so if they were just willing to blast tons of gear and yet they would never be able to do so due to thier sub-par genetics
And no its not due to a lack of a proper diet or proper training either, they basically just don't have the genes for it, end of story
Have you competed ? Has anyone here ?
When I started out I believed that nonsense
If you have to take over a gram a week total if injectable you’re not cut out for it
After years of training very hard starting at middleweight sbd moving up to light heavy and eventually winning a overall state level show In my last run after a 5 year break
Last show I tried something different as I was older 38 and wanted my goal over with
3 grams plus the tren at 200 a day got the glutes and everything else to have the huge 3 d look
I never used gh
I dieted very hard Abd trained heavily with lots of volume 40 sets on leg day
But the lies that if it takes more than a gram
Is passed on by the guys who don’t want you looking better than they do pretending they are blessed
But had I not fell for that lie I may have had health problems early on
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Have you competed ? Has anyone here ?
When I started out I believed that nonsense
If you have to take over a gram a week total if injectable you’re not cut out for it
After years of training very hard starting at middleweight sbd moving up to light heavy and eventually winning a overall state level show In my last run after a 5 year break
Last show I tried something different as I was older 38 and wanted my goal over with
3 grams plus the tren at 200 a day got the glutes and everything else to have the huge 3 d look
I never used gh
I dieted very hard Abd trained heavily with lots of volume 40 sets on leg day
But the lies that if it takes more than a gram
Is passed on by the guys who don’t want you looking better than they do pretending they are blessed
But had I not fell for that lie I may have had health problems early on
Just because you trained 40 sets on leg day doesn't mean that is optimal for training legs.
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Have you competed ? Has anyone here ?
When I started out I believed that nonsense
If you have to take over a gram a week total if injectable you’re not cut out for it
After years of training very hard starting at middleweight sbd moving up to light heavy and eventually winning a overall state level show In my last run after a 5 year break
Last show I tried something different as I was older 38 and wanted my goal over with
3 grams plus the tren at 200 a day got the glutes and everything else to have the huge 3 d look
I never used gh
I dieted very hard Abd trained heavily with lots of volume 40 sets on leg day
But the lies that if it takes more than a gram
Is passed on by the guys who don’t want you looking better than they do pretending they are blessed
But had I not fell for that lie I may have had health problems early on
I agree with you, genetics are not the biggest determining factor, it's the amount of drugs you can take. Once you reach a certain point your genetics do very little to help you. I've known dozens of high level NPC competitors over the past 20 years and they all take grams of gear. There is a threshold you reach on small doses; your genetics dictate how you look and your overall flow, but you don't get to be 220 on stage unless you are taking a shit ton of steroids.
I've never met a person who just turned into a monster taking 500mg of Deca and a few Dbol. Most people who have actually been in this game for 10-20 years know that's a joke.
Look at all the health issues in bodybuilding, it's pretty obvious these guys are walking pharmacy's.
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I agree with you, genetics are not the biggest determining factor, it's the amount of drugs you can take. Once you reach a certain point your genetics do very little to help you. I've known dozens of high level NPC competitors over the past 20 years and they all take grams of gear. There is a threshold you reach on small doses; your genetics dictate how you look and your overall flow, but you don't get to be 220 on stage unless you are taking a shit ton of steroids.
I've never met a person who just turned into a monster taking 500mg of Deca and a few Dbol. Most people who have actually been in this game for 10-20 years know that's a joke.
Look at all the health issues in bodybuilding, it's pretty obvious these guys are walking pharmacy's.
Isn't O'Hearn natural? ;D
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Isn't O'Hearn natural? ;D
;D
Not a chance, he's juiced to the gills and has had a ton of plastic surgery. I find it amazing people believe he's natural, it must be his genetics. ::)
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People like humble bumble get told the truth sbd still don’t believe it
Nothing can help them
If mike were natural with 260 lbs shredded body
All he would have to do is add a decent cycle and he could be Mr O At about 290
You think with his ego he would pass that up ?
Use your brain
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Just because you trained 40 sets on leg day doesn't mean that is optimal for training legs.
thanks for your advice,
how many shows have you won?
are you known for your leg development?
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thanks for your advice,
how many shows have you won?
are you known for your leg development?
So are you saying 40 sets is optimal for training legs?
I've never performed surgery either but I know sanitizing the scalpel in dirt isn't the best way to go about prepping for surgery.
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How many shows you won?
How big are your legs ?
Over 30 inches lean ?
Enlighten us
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How many shows you won?
How big are your legs ?
Over 30 inches lean ?
Enlighten us
All of that is irrelevant to the question. I ask again....do you think 40 sets a workout is optimal for training legs?
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All of that is irrelevant to the question. I ask again....do you think 40 sets a workout is optimal for training legs?
I’d say 39sets & 3reps exactly for optimal muscular growth stimulation 👍🏻
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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What is “the hard true” ? Mean ?
So they’re using higher amounts than Dorian as Mr Olympia
Yep they’ve clearly got the right perspective.
Though I do take into account most of the Gear out there is sub standard
In quality & dosage.
Keep in mind when Dorian gave a breakdown of what he used off season (1500mgs test 1000mgs deca 100mgs dbol 4 or 8 ius gh i believe) he did not say what year that might have been his doses and he did not say that those were the highest amounts he ever used.
I firmly believe in 93 sometime Dorian did a blast under Paul Borreson and that is why he suddenly made a leap forward in mass which he never did again. As far as I can tell no one has been able to duplicate it and with Borreson now in the grave (RIP PB) no one but Yates knows and he aint sharing.
Nonetheless the posted cycle of Ramy sounds believable to a degree. I have heard a few times Nasser was the first mega doser running a gram of test every day and tren and gh. No clue on the other dosages. Dallas supposedly was taking 10g of test per week. Im assuming once you get past the amount your body can use it simply gets more and more efficient at getting rid of it. Either that or possibly the erasterase enzyme gets suppressed or myoststin goes sky high who knows. But i honestly honestly would be shocked if a big bodybuilder could actually show some proof that he needs 10g of test to get the size he has, like 9g just wasnt cutting the mustard so he upper to 10 out of necessity.
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Keep in mind when Dorian gave a breakdown of what he used off season (1500mgs test 1000mgs deca 100mgs dbol 4 or 8 ius gh i believe) he did not say what year that might have been his doses and he did not say that those were the highest amounts he ever used.
I firmly believe in 93 sometime Dorian did a blast under Paul Borreson and that is why he suddenly made a leap forward in mass which he never did again. As far as I can tell no one has been able to duplicate it and with Borreson now in the grave (RIP PB) no one but Yates knows and he aint sharing.
Nonetheless the posted cycle of Ramy sounds believable to a degree. I have heard a few times Nasser was the first mega doser running a gram of test every day and tren and gh. No clue on the other dosages. Dallas supposedly was taking 10g of test per week. Im assuming once you get past the amount your body can use it simply gets more and more efficient at getting rid of it. Either that or possibly the erasterase enzyme gets suppressed or myoststin goes sky high who knows. But i honestly honestly would be shocked if a big bodybuilder could actually show some proof that he needs 10g of test to get the size he has, like 9g just wasnt cutting the mustard so he upper to 10 out of necessity.
I am in the U.K. and was around & competing back then.
Paul worked for Kerry Kayes at chemical warfare as it was back then
Dorian didn’t have much if any involvement with Paul, as Paul was a Conman & a Fraud
He took other people’s ideas & either slightly changed them or claimed they were his.
Why did Paul have a Broken Back ? Why did he live in a shuttered safe house ?
Why did he rip so many off ? I could continue, Paul was fairly good at promoting himself
To those that wanted to believe his crap, as a bodybuilder / drugs expert he wasn’t any Good.
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Keep in mind when Dorian gave a breakdown of what he used off season (1500mgs test 1000mgs deca 100mgs dbol 4 or 8 ius gh i believe) he did not say what year that might have been his doses and he did not say that those were the highest amounts he ever used.
I firmly believe in 93 sometime Dorian did a blast under Paul Borreson and that is why he suddenly made a leap forward in mass which he never did again. As far as I can tell no one has been able to duplicate it and with Borreson now in the grave (RIP PB) no one but Yates knows and he aint sharing.
Nonetheless the posted cycle of Ramy sounds believable to a degree. I have heard a few times Nasser was the first mega doser running a gram of test every day and tren and gh. No clue on the other dosages. Dallas supposedly was taking 10g of test per week. Im assuming once you get past the amount your body can use it simply gets more and more efficient at getting rid of it. Either that or possibly the erasterase enzyme gets suppressed or myoststin goes sky high who knows. But i honestly honestly would be shocked if a big bodybuilder could actually show some proof that he needs 10g of test to get the size he has, like 9g just wasnt cutting the mustard so he upper to 10 out of necessity.
ah yes, the drug addict home health care aid that gets paid to live in someones house
he didnt diet off his muscle that year
there was no big gain
it was about not dieting off the gains
dummy
just shut up ok? you are nothing, never been anything, and never will be
just shut up
you wont ever be anything
you are nothing, and your speculation is even worse than nothing
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ah yes, the drug addict home health care aid that gets paid to live in someones house
he didnt diet off his muscle that year
there was no big gain
it was about not dieting off the gains
dummy
just shut up ok? you are nothing, never been anything, and never will be
just shut up
you wont ever be anything
you are nothing, and your speculation is even worse than nothing
I doubt he’s ever met Dorian let alone associated or trained in his gym or knew the same circle
of Dorian Friends - Yet He Knows Exactly who told Dorian what & How much Dorian was using. 🙄
And even if he does know those things how on Earth do they have any bearing on him & his physique & Him Competing at any level let alone Mr Olympia.
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Another open discussion about the effects on PED use and how they effects specific blood markers. Also what the most important blood tests are for a person using gear.
Big takeaway - kidneys cannot repair themselves like the liver.
Why a high protein diet, along with gear can contribute to kidney issues/failure.
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That's why we have 2 kidneys and 1 liver.
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That's why we have 2 kidneys and 1 liver.
🤓 Excellent point.
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This is just my theory about the pros and their drug use and results. Some is based off the great dan duchaine(rip). Dan had said that steroids work their best when used in an "overtrained" athlete. He made reference to the fact most were designed for muscle wasting diseases and burn victims etc . So if you look back at the pros from the 60s 70s and 80s even they trained "alot". And notice how well developed they were and all looked different but great too. So yes i believe they were NOT using much to achieve those results because they were busting their ass and the drugs did what they were supposed to due to (for lack of a better term) overtraining. every body part 2 or 3 times a week 2 hour sessions etc
Now todays and from the mid 90s on up bodybuilders became very lazy ( please dont post videos of them fake training how they are not lazy but you will anyway) They dont train much they take alot of drugs because they think more is better and they all look like complete crap. Again the late great dan duchaine said from 2000 mg ( 2 grams) up to 5000 mgs( 5 grams) you dont really see much difference in gains. BUT he said that things really get interesting after hitting the 5 grams mark. So my belief id they are taking these large amounts of everything they can because they yare just to lazy to train like they should to get the best results off of the least amounts. So since they are not in an "overtrained" state the drugs dont work as effectively so they have to take alot more. ( plus gh insulin and whatever else) again just my theory based off a few ideas from dan. And no the bodies are not better at all. there is no symmetry or proportion no posing no nothing just a big bunch of bloated black fucktards on the stage and the judges( schmoes) keep rewarding them. only thing actually bigger on pros nowdays is their gut. big deal they weigh 300lbs . they have 75 lbs of gut.
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ah yes, the drug addict home health care aid that gets paid to live in someones house
he didnt diet off his muscle that year
there was no big gain
it was about not dieting off the gains
dummy
just shut up ok? you are nothing, never been anything, and never will be
just shut up
you wont ever be anything
you are nothing, and your speculation is even worse than nothing
Very solid counter points. Thanks for sharing!
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I hope he does a follow up on his results
His PCT made little sense with prop added. Bro science at it's best and protein in urine elevated.
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Wonders why he quickly lost 5lbs. 🤪
For an NPC show.🤷🏼
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Clen, T3, T4, GH, injectable L-Carnitineetc. etc.
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;D
Not a chance, he's juiced to the gills and has had a ton of plastic surgery. I find it amazing people believe he's natural, it must be his genetics. ::)
What? NOOOOoooooo!
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So are you saying 40 sets is optimal for training legs?
I've never performed surgery either but I know sanitizing the scalpel in dirt isn't the best way to go about prepping for surgery.
Good to know.
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What about eggs?
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Wonders why he quickly lost 5lbs. 🤪
For an NPC show.🤷🏼
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Clen, T3, T4, GH, injectable L-Carnitineetc. etc.
I've never used L-Carn, but i can tell you that some T3/4, GH and Clen will melt fat off you like nothing. You don't even have to do cardio, it's insane. However, Clen makes me feel like shit, so i haven't used it in a long time.
My favorite is 100mcg T3 and 4-5iu of GH per day, with a little cardio and low carb diet, you get ripped fast. I lost 15-20 pounds in 1 month last time i used it and i was eating plenty of food. I only use T3 for 6-8 weeks max.
I don't use GH anymore due to cost, but it is a game changer. 4 years ago i went from 235 pounds to 195 pounds in 3 months. Just using GH, T3 and low carb diet. I looked incredible. No cardio and was eating 2k calories a day, not all of it was clean food, i was eating a little of everything. That was the leanest i have been in 10 years.
All drugs. ;D
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I've never used L-Carn, but i can tell you that some T3/4, GH and Clen will melt fat off you like nothing. You don't even have to do cardio, it's insane. However, Clen makes me feel like shit, so i haven't used it in a long time.
My favorite is 100mcg T3 and 4-5iu of GH per day, with a little cardio and low carb diet, you get ripped fast. I lost 15-20 pounds in 1 month last time i used it and i was eating plenty of food. I only use T3 for 6-8 weeks max.
I don't use GH anymore due to cost, but it is a game changer. 4 years ago i went from 235 pounds to 195 pounds in 3 months. Just using GH, T3 and low carb diet. I looked incredible. No cardio and was eating 2k calories a day, not all of it was clean food, i was eating a little of everything. That was the leanest i have been in 10 years.
All drugs. ;D
I never competed in bodybuilding but back in the day no-one even had access to GH (pharm grade is like a miracle drug when over 50).
T4 alone can cause extreme weight loss never mind t3 and the rest. I would not be surprised if he is sweating through the mattress at night with that combo.😅 Thanks for sharing your experience. As I've aged my thyroid has become more and more hyper so I just keep getting leaner and leaner.
If I took clen or T3 I would become a skeleton.💀
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Because it would be 7cc of oil a day
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When I lived in Los Angeles, one of the guys I worked with was former Mr. USA Chris Duffy. The guy had brain issues but he told me cycles of Dorian Yates and other bbers.
He used to piss me off saying I was too small at 232 lbs. at 6'2" but eventually i was 295 at 5.8 bf. Bigger freak bber than him thanks to a sponsor who actually knew about bbing.
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When I lived in Los Angeles, one of the guys I worked with was former Mr. USA Chris Duffy. The guy had brain issues but he told me cycles of Dorian Yates and other bbers.
He used to piss me off saying I was too small at 232 lbs. at 6'2" but eventually i was 295 at 5.8 bf. Bigger freak bber than him thanks to a sponsor who actually knew about bbing.
So what was Dorian’s cycle?
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When I lived in Los Angeles, one of the guys I worked with was former Mr. USA Chris Duffy. The guy had brain issues but he told me cycles of Dorian Yates and other bbers.
He used to piss me off saying I was too small at 232 lbs. at 6'2" but eventually i was 295 at 5.8 bf. Bigger freak bber than him thanks to a sponsor who actually knew about bbing.
Mr. Duffy was great with a ball bat. :-[
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2-5g of Test alone. On blast.
Precontest many drop test totally because by contest time, at such high dosages
they will still have test in their system for function.
So in OP video they say they are week 4 no Test... meaning they dropped it 4 weeks prior.
Example: 4g Test Cyp at day 32 still have around 250mg theoretically speaking given
8 day half life.
Now the same response your going to give this post, is why most aren't honest.
They will be called liars and ridiculed, told they are gonna die any second, they are irresponsible for telling the true dosages, and it's impossible.
Therefore only a handful tell.
Regan Grimes left Kuwait Oxygen Gym because they inject their athletes and don't tell
them how much they are running to keep protocols secret. Too risky.
Currently, as an example, and to see the comments and effects of being honest:
Go visit Chase Irons youtube and recent videos.
He has been in forums like Professional Muscle and Meso... and the comments
alone, along with drama are why they don't tell the truth.