Strawman

[IroNat]

Ha! Good ideas Funk.

[Thin Lizzy]

What’s the deal w the filthy lawn people are saying he has ?

It’s Trump’s fault.

[Van_Bilderass]

I have a question for Coach and everyone else who thinks the election was stolen, whatever form that steal took.

If they were able to steal this election, what hope is there that conservatives will ever win again? Realistically.
What is the game plan Coach? Things like "Latinos for Trump?" Really? Those tens of millions of illegals who will now be made citizens, will they tend to vote conservative or democrat? What kind of politics does Latin America have?

Is this smart conservative strategy?

[LurkerNoMore]

I have a question for Coach and everyone else who thinks the election was stolen, whatever form that steal took.

If they were able to steal this election, what hope is there that conservatives will ever win again? Realistically.
What is the game plan Coach? Things like "Latinos for Trump?" Really? Those tens of millions of illegals who will now be made citizens, will they tend to vote conservative or democrat? What kind of politics does Latin America have?

Is this smart conservative strategy?

A better question is why did the Republican election officials, court appointed lower judges, SC majority, VP and AG actually allow that steal to happen?  If it was so blatantly stolen, why did their own party participate in the theft?

[Van_Bilderass]

A better question is why did the Republican election officials, court appointed lower judges, SC majority, VP and AG actually allow that steal to happen?  If it was so blatantly stolen, why did their own party participate in the theft?

Yes.

If Coach is correct, that Biden got AT LEAST 40 million fake votes then conseratives will NEVER win again. All these efforts to change opinions can never compensate for 40 million fake votes. All of Coach's volunteering is useless, especially since his own party participated in the steal. You would have to replace 99% of Republican politicians AND find new politicians who aren't the same old type. Good luck.

Of course no one serious believes in 40 million fake votes except Coach and crazy Sydney. Not even Trump.

Is there anyone else here who thinks at least 50% of Biden votes were fake?

[King Shizzo]

Yes.

If Coach is correct, that Biden got AT LEAST 40 million fake votes then conseratives will NEVER win again. All these efforts to change opinions can never compensate for 40 million fake votes. All of Coach's volunteering is useless, especially since his own party participated in the steal. You would have to replace 99% of Republican politicians AND find new politicians who aren't the same old type. Good luck.

Of course no one serious believes in 40 million fake votes except Coach and crazy Sydney. Not even Trump.

Is there anyone else here who thinks at least 50% of Biden votes were fake?

Maybe having a King wasn't so bad after all.

Remember, America has only been around a few hundred years.

Pearl Harbour happened.

America, is just as vulnerable today.

But I believe, we may be as blind as they were then.

[The Scott]

If enough people are capable of believing the absurd, in this case that Joe Biden was elected rather than (s)elected, then it is also possible that these same people are weak enough to believe that being white is a crime against humanity.  That being wealthy is a crime against humanity.  That being simply a man or woman and not something "fluid" is a crime against humanity.  That being a pedophile is just another variation on the theme of what is sexually possible, natural, desirable and even worse, "acceptable".   That "cancel culture" is about being "inclusive" rather than abusive.

The zeitgeist of anything goes needs to go.

[Tapeworm]

I have a question for Coach and everyone else who thinks the election was stolen, whatever form that steal took.

If they were able to steal this election, what hope is there that conservatives will ever win again? Realistically.
What is the game plan Coach? Things like "Latinos for Trump?" Really? Those tens of millions of illegals who will now be made citizens, will they tend to vote conservative or democrat? What kind of politics does Latin America have?

Is this smart conservative strategy?

I'd call it a soft steal. There was a concerted, 4 year propaganda campaign against Trump. Anything bad got megaphoned, while anything good got ignored. It was more than just partisan or unfair. They bludgeoned us daily. Pravda has nothing on the US press. I've never seen bias like that. The script writing was blatant and has left me without any faith in the information I receive.

Then add to that Old Joe being basically led by the hand into the Oval Office by a media that gushed endlessly about how wonderful this Great Oz (whom we never see) and his Veep (who got no love in her primaries) are going to save us all... somehow uniting...even tho actual policies rarely got mentioned. I understand Coach's incredulity. I agree. There's no way with this guy. But it happened. He got installed.


My own view, that Trump is an idiot, I formed from watching him flounder at the podium, but I'd take his policies over Biden's any day. I differ with Coach that it was a 'hard steal' in the sense that Trump actually won on votes. Trump has had plenty of time to present evidence straight to the public. They said repeatedly that they have it and it just never materializes. By materialize, I mean Donald Trump, at a podium with charts built from verifiable data, saying "Here it is." They promised nothing less. If he had it, that is exactly what he'd be doing every day.

Fwiw I don't believe it's as simple as "The Socialist Commies want to take over." Yes, they exist and they want to but then Bernie is the guy, right? He got shoved out twice. Probably because he's actually a socialist who would try to use government power to steer corporate power, which is backwards. And I liked what Tulsi had to say but somebody sure didn't. All that crazy talk about no more American soldiers dying in pointless wars

Who wants business as usual? Who wants endless wars and a court rubber-stamped surveillance state?  Who demands a nice marionette President and Presidentette instead of this jackass who people follow instead of following directions? Yeah, I think there are entrenched interests and they mean business about staying in power. They would have Kennedyed him if he wasn't more useful as a heel.

That's what I saw happen. A freak out. People didn't follow directions in 2016 and this egomaniacal wild man got in. Then we got to see the carrot and stick machine kick into high gear. Divide and corral. Deify and vilify. Churn out the consent of the governed to get things "back on track." Bet your ass there are contingencies to make sure this sort of thing never ever happens again.

The guy was right. It's a swamp. But it'll never let you drain it. The world got stolen out from under us before any of us were even born. Life is good but let's not kid ourselves that there's democracy. You might get a Republican again, and they'll do the 'ol Grant Your Little Wish thing so you'll agree they're in charge but you'll never get someone who isn't a puppet. I don't think Donald was one. Anyone who isn't going to play ball, you have their entire political career to see them coming but Trump managed to fly in on a perfect storm of Hillary's complete lack of charisma, Wikileaks, celebrity worship, soundbyte culture, and working class angst. It scared the bejesus out of them.

TLDR
Did Trump win? No.
Would he have won? Yes.

[Coach is Back!]

I have a question for Coach and everyone else who thinks the election was stolen, whatever form that steal took.

If they were able to steal this election, what hope is there that conservatives will ever win again? Realistically.
What is the game plan Coach? Things like "Latinos for Trump?" Really? Those tens of millions of illegals who will now be made citizens, will they tend to vote conservative or democrat? What kind of politics does Latin America have?

Is this smart conservative strategy?

BINGO....like communist and socialist countries, rig the elections systems so the opposition can never win again. When Trump ran his promise was to “drain the swamp” and go after China. You go after China you disrupt the swamp. The “Swamp” didn’t want the status quo for decades disrupted and along comes an outsider, a non politician. Almost since the day his campaign started they knew he would trouble for the establishment and for four years while they made up conspiracy theories of all sorts while the MSM went along with it. The political left got ZERO done in those four except to look ahead 2020. Everything they threw at his was debunked right down to the fake impeachment’s and even today they’re still afraid of him which is he’s still in the headlines today. 

As for the courts? The “60” losses were not Trump lawyers but other attorneys/firms working pro Bono. Trump’s actual hired attorneys weren’t in court nearly that much.

BUT, most of the courts where those attorneys appeared were in front of Obama appointed attorneys and attorneys where Soros bought off the courts. Even in the local elections where I’m at, Soros money was involved funding the left.

[LurkerNoMore]

Trump lost.   Get over it.  Either the Dems got more votes or the Repubs kicked him to the curb.  Either way, it was decided he had to go. 

[King Shizzo]

BINGO....like communist and socialist countries, rig the elections systems so the opposition can never win again. When Trump ran his promise was to “drain the swamp” and go after China. You go after China you disrupt the swamp. The “Swamp” didn’t want the status quo for decades disrupted and along comes an outsider, a non politician. Almost since the day his campaign started they knew he would trouble for the establishment and for four years while they made up conspiracy theories of all sorts while the MSM went along with it. The political left got ZERO done in those four except to look ahead 2020. Everything they threw at his was debunked right down to the fake impeachment’s and even today they’re still afraid of him which is he’s still in the headlines today. 

As for the courts? The “60” losses were not Trump lawyers but other attorneys/firms working pro Bono. Trump’s actual hired attorneys weren’t in court nearly that much.

BUT, most of the courts where those attorneys appeared were in front of Obama appointed attorneys and attorneys where Soros bought off the courts. Even in the local elections where I’m at, Soros money was involved funding the left.

Coach,

Coach.....I can't even broach this subject as a normal Getibigger.

Dude, are you ok?

[LurkerNoMore]

Drain the swamp?   Hahahaha.  The only swamp draining that got done was when his cronies were indicted. 

He’s in the headlines post election because he keeps crying about losing, having his foundation investigated, stealing from his campaign donors, having his tax records seized, his lying associates hit with billion dollar lawsuits, being blamed for a pitiful ass insurrection attempts (or just kissing and hugging the cops as he claims), and being ridiculed in his ongoing misery. 

[Coach is Back!]

Drain the swamp?   Hahahaha.  The only swamp draining that got done was when his cronies were indicted.

Calm down Alice, your revered leftists have been outed. Troll. Fucking bring something to the table, pussy

[Coach is Back!]

Trump lost.   Get over it.  Either the Dems got more votes or the Repubs kicked him to the curb.  Either way, it was decided he had to go.

And doesn’t matter how he “lost” as long as long he lost...right, commie?

[Grape Ape]

I'd call it a soft steal. There was a concerted, 4 year propaganda campaign against Trump. Anything bad got megaphoned, while anything good got ignored. It was more than just partisan or unfair. They bludgeoned us daily. Pravda has nothing on the US press. I've never seen bias like that. The script writing was blatant and has left me without any faith in the information I receive.

Then add to that Old Joe being basically led by the hand into the Oval Office by a media that gushed endlessly about how wonderful this Great Oz (whom we never see) and his Veep (who got no love in her primaries) are going to save us all... somehow uniting...even tho actual policies rarely got mentioned. I understand Coach's incredulity. I agree. There's no way with this guy. But it happened. He got installed.


My own view, that Trump is an idiot, I formed from watching him flounder at the podium, but I'd take his policies over Biden's any day. I differ with Coach that it was a 'hard steal' in the sense that Trump actually won on votes. Trump has had plenty of time to present evidence straight to the public. They said repeatedly that they have it and it just never materializes. By materialize, I mean Donald Trump, at a podium with charts built from verifiable data, saying "Here it is." They promised nothing less. If he had it, that is exactly what he'd be doing every day.

Fwiw I don't believe it's as simple as "The Socialist Commies want to take over." Yes, they exist and they want to but then Bernie is the guy, right? He got shoved out twice. Probably because he's actually a socialist who would try to use government power to steer corporate power, which is backwards. And I liked what Tulsi had to say but somebody sure didn't. All that crazy talk about no more American soldiers dying in pointless wars

Who wants business as usual? Who wants endless wars and a court rubber-stamped surveillance state?  Who demands a nice marionette President and Presidentette instead of this jackass who people follow instead of following directions? Yeah, I think there are entrenched interests and they mean business about staying in power. They would have Kennedyed him if he wasn't more useful as a heel.

That's what I saw happen. A freak out. People didn't follow directions in 2016 and this egomaniacal wild man got in. Then we got to see the carrot and stick machine kick into high gear. Divide and corral. Deify and vilify. Churn out the consent of the governed to get things "back on track." Bet your ass there are contingencies to make sure this sort of thing never ever happens again.

The guy was right. It's a swamp. But it'll never let you drain it. The world got stolen out from under us before any of us were even born. Life is good but let's not kid ourselves that there's democracy. You might get a Republican again, and they'll do the 'ol Grant Your Little Wish thing so you'll agree they're in charge but you'll never get someone who isn't a puppet. I don't think Donald was one. Anyone who isn't going to play ball, you have their entire political career to see them coming but Trump managed to fly in on a perfect storm of Hillary's complete lack of charisma, Wikileaks, celebrity worship, soundbyte culture, and working class angst. It scared the bejesus out of them.

TLDR
Did Trump win? No.
Would he have won? Yes.

Great writeup, and the first two paragraphs are gold.

One nuance, Bernie wasn't pushed out becuase he's a socialist/communist, he was pushed out because he couldn't win a national election.

[LurkerNoMore]

And doesn’t matter how he “lost” as long as long he lost...right, commie?

He lost by the voters
He lost by the recount
He lost by the lower courts
He lost by the electoral college
He lost by the Supreme Court
He lost by the VP and AG. 

Take your pick   He lost.   

[King Shizzo]

Drain the swamp?   Hahahaha.  The only swamp draining that got done was when his cronies were indicted.

Hey asshole, you are an equal part of todays problem.

Two sides of a coin. Three sides to a story....

Get my drift yet? Red/Blue doesn't work.

Isn't this a forum? I have a strange feeling that some powerful people, peruse this wonderful website.

I want some smart people to come to a simple solution.

Complicated by greed and primal urges.

[Tapeworm]

On second thought, never say never. All those Trump voters who were fed up with establishment politicians are still out there.

It doesn't get more puppet than Biden. Only 5 million would have to switch. Between the border and bombing Syria, 5 million might switch right now. Anything could happen in '24.

Trump won't be back but he opened the door to people the system didn't promote up.

[Coach is Back!]

He lost by the voters
He lost by the recount
He lost by the lower courts
He lost by the electoral college
He lost by the Supreme Court
He lost by the VP and AG. 

Take your pick   He lost.

You can’t read much less comprehend, can you? Yep, he lost and Biden and his administration are MUCH worse than anticipated which is why you can’t defend any of the executive orders or policies that’s trying to be put through

[LurkerNoMore]

Hey asshole, you are an equal part of todays problem.

Two sides of a coin. Three sides to a story....

Get my drift yet? Red/Blue doesn't work.

Isn't this a forum? I have a strange feeling that some powerful people, peruse this wonderful website.

I want some smart people to come to a simple solution.

Complicated by greed and primal urges.

You admittedly don’t even vote, loser.   

[Coach is Back!]

On second thought, never say never. All those Trump voters who were fed up with establishment politicians are still out there.

It doesn't get more puppet than Biden. Only 5 million would have to switch. Between the border and bombing Syria, 5 million might switch right now. Anything could happen in '24.

Trump won't be back but he opened the door to people the system didn't promote up.

I personally don’t want him to run again

[Grape Ape]

On second thought, never say never. All those Trump voters who were fed up with establishment politicians are still out there.

It doesn't get more puppet than Biden. Only 5 million would have to switch. Between the border and bombing Syria, 5 million might switch right now. Anything could happen in '24.

Trump won't be back but he opened the door to people the system didn't promote up.

I have seen two polls that state that 35-40% of Biden voters were unaware of the allegations against his on prior to the election (fits perfect with your soft steal narrative).

Of those surveyed, 9% would have changed their votes.  That's 3 million right there.

Generally, with these surveys I find the source and did into the data they provide....admittedly haven't done that yet...but did see this poll quoted in the Post this weekend.

But he hopefully won't run again...I doubt he will.

[LurkerNoMore]

You can’t read much less comprehend, can you? Yep, he lost and Biden and his administration are MUCH worse than anticipated which is why you can’t defend any of the executive orders or policies that’s trying to be put through

I don’t have to defend anything.  It’s not my place to cater to your whining and delusions. 

[LurkerNoMore]

For all the Trumpturds crying about the election being stolen.

[King Shizzo]

You admittedly don’t even vote, loser.

That's why my opinion has weight.

I never subscribed to the circus.

It literally is a circus at this point.