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Title: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: tatoo on August 02, 2021, 05:57:56 AM
what do you fellas use?  i cant seem to diet without one... using some ephedra based shit now.. i dont think its like ma huang back in the day,, but it curbs it... is the prescription stuff worth it?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 02, 2021, 06:05:35 AM
what do you fellas use?  i cant seem to diet without one... using some ephedra based shit now.. i dont think its like ma huang back in the day,, but it curbs it... is the prescription stuff worth it?

Just eat 2x a day, and drink black coffee in the morning until you first eat.

It takes a bit of a mental hurdle at first, then becomes routine.

It's simple.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Body-Buildah on August 02, 2021, 06:06:00 AM
I notice when I take a bit of Ephedra, it makes me not want to eat.

I do not like stims normally, but if feeling beat from not sleeping properly, Ill cut one of these into quarters and just take a 1/4 tab. (Hi-Tech Lipodrene).
It kills my already shrinking appetite. (Maybe age related (mid 50's).

--

Serving Size: 1 Tablet

Servings Per Container: 100

Proprietary Blend: 557.5mg with Thermo-RX and Extend-RX: 560mg

Eph Extract 25mg (leaves)
Senegalia Beriandieri Extract (leaves) Yielding 225mg Phenylethylamine Alkaloids. These include Phenylethylamine, Methylsynephrine, N-Methyl-B-Phenylethlamine and N,N-Dimethylphenylethylamine.
Synephrine HCI
Theobromine
Green Tea Extract (45mg EGCG)
Theophylline
Hoodia Extract (cactus)
Cassia Nomame Extract (plant)
Naringen (fruit)
6,7 Dihydroxyberganiotin (fruit)
5-Methyltryptamine HCI
L-5-Hydroxytryptophan
Yohimbe HCI
Caffeine (Anhydrous) 100mg
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 06:23:09 AM
How overweight are you that you think you need an appetite suppressant? You make your food choices in the grocery store not the kitchen. Just dont buy junk then fill up on veggies
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IroNat on August 02, 2021, 07:01:26 AM
No drugs or suppressants necessary.

Eat very low carb, high fat, moderate protein.

Don't eat sugar, flour products or other high carb foods which spike your blood sugar and insulin and make you hungry a short while later.

What foods to eat:
Meat, eggs, fish
Non-starch vegetables (green)
Beans, lentils (but not a lot)
Cheese, cream
Nuts, seeds
Butter, oils
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 07:04:30 AM
People asking for advice without pics are not helping themselves. How can anyone give anyone good advice without knowing where the person is actually at to start. No one wants to hear your estimate of your stats show a fucking pic and give stats and current training regime if you want real applicable advice
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Dave D on August 02, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
People asking for advice without pics are not helping themselves. How can anyone give anyone good advice without knowing where the person is actually at to start. No one wants to hear your estimate of your stats show a fucking pic and give stats and current training regime if you want real applicable advice

What advice have you taken from here ?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 02, 2021, 07:43:44 AM
People asking for advice without pics are not helping themselves. How can anyone give anyone good advice without knowing where the person is actually at to start. No one wants to hear your estimate of your stats show a fucking pic and give stats and current training regime if you want real applicable advice
Not everyone post pics every 10 seconds like you do.

Some people like to remain anonymous and not be attention whores.

HTH
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 07:46:14 AM
Not everyone post pics every 10 seconds like you do.

Some people like to remain anonymous and not be attention whores.

HTH

You can not give someone good honest advice if you don't know what kind of condition they are in to start nothign to do with attention but a fact is a fact no idea if this dude is 300lbs and 30% or 200 and 10% and know enough to know taking his word means nothign need to see a pic to giev real advice.

I have had morbidly obese people ask me about weight gainer bulking shakes. You need to see what they look like to give real advice otherwise its all bullshit
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 07:46:57 AM
What advice have you taken from here ?

By all means post a current today pic showing me you are 250lbs and shredded then give some advice to me otherwise just more bullshit
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 02, 2021, 07:48:05 AM
I always fill up on rice cakes with water or air-popped popcorn with water............gives you a sense of being full as the water is absorbed by both foods.....and is low in cals.

Use I cant beleive it` not butter spray on the popcorn but make sure it` air popped.

Also eat salads between meals ....veggies, and drink shitloads of water and coffee if you`re a coffee drinker.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 02, 2021, 07:48:46 AM
By all means post a current today pic showing me you are 250lbs and shredded then give some advice to me otherwise just more bullshit
Please shut the fuck up you idiot.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Body-Buildah on August 02, 2021, 07:49:54 AM
Please shut the fuck up you idiot.

LOL

Wes even said "Please".  :D
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 07:51:16 AM
Also we are talking about weight loss and he is asking about prescriptions. That can mean things like thyroid hormones hell he could be considering a thermogenic like DNP.  No idea what we are talking about or what level of action is needed if we have no idea what kind of shape he is in to start. He might also be drinking  case of beer every weekend in which case adjusting his diet isn't going to do shit and pharmecueticals may kill him. He may be running 20 miles a day or sitting on the couch all day without more info we can't give any legit advice. Is his bmi 35 or 22 we have no idea

Everyones training and diet threads are all worthless without actual pics
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Dave D on August 02, 2021, 07:54:01 AM
By all means post a current today pic showing me you are 250lbs and shredded then give some advice to me otherwise just more bullshit

Why would I need to weigh 250?  I don’t want to weigh that much. What advice have I offered you?

You post the same BP photos, weigh ins where there is no difference from your day 1 pic, etc.. all asking if something is strange with whatever you post.

Why are you constantly asking men to post photos to prove how they look? Why are you treating Getbig like it’s you instagram account?

If you want to meet people this is the wrong place for you.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 07:55:41 AM
Why would I need to weigh 250?  I don’t want to weigh that much. What advice have I offered you?

You post the same BP photos, weigh ins where there is no difference from your day 1 pic, etc.. all asking if something is strange with whatever you post.

Why are you constantly asking men to post photos to prove how they look? Why are you treating Getbig like it’s you instagram account?

If you want to meet people this is the wrong place for you.

Because you can't give or take any legit training exercise or nutritional advice to anyone or from anyone without them. Yet you all want to spend all day debating these things


If someone is out of shape they don't know what the fuck they are talking about period end of story

You also can't just tell everyone to do the same thing you need to know where they are at. I had a 300lb fat kid asking me if I thought his bulk 8k weight gainer was the right supplement for him in college. He can't just train and eat the same way I did he needed to do somethign different. Yet everyone just gives cookie cutter advice without even asking where the person is starting from which is just nonsense
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 02, 2021, 07:58:33 AM
LOL

Wes even said "Please".  :D
I`m in a good mood !!  ;D
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Dave D on August 02, 2021, 08:02:06 AM
Because you can't give or take any legit training exercise or nutritional advice to anyone or from anyone without them. Yet you all want to spend all day debating these things


If someone is out of shape they don't know what the fuck they are talking about period end of story

You also can't just tell everyone to do the same thing you need to know where they are at. I had a 300lb kid asking me if I thought his bulk 8k was the right supplement for him in college. He can't just train and eat the same way I did he needed to do somethign different. Yet everyone just gives cookie cutter advice without even asking where the person is starting from which is just nonsense
?

Bro you didn't answer a single question I asked.....
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 02, 2021, 08:06:17 AM
Also eat salads between meals ....veggies, and drink shitloads of water and coffee if you`re a coffee drinker.

Or man up and eat nothing between meals.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 08:07:21 AM
?

Bro you didn't answer a single question I asked.....

I am answering your question without pics every word you or anyone else says about nutrition and training and supplements is just pure bullshit. I have made mad gains in the last few months and was in mad shape to start anyway.

No one wants to meet your dumbass but if anyone wants actual legit advice they need to post pics because where you are at changes the godamn advice drastically also your condition is your resume. No one knows who is telling the truth and who is talking out of their ass about training diet and nutrition without actual pics.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 02, 2021, 08:08:00 AM
Or man up and eat nothing between meals.
That too.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Flexacon on August 02, 2021, 08:09:29 AM
No drugs or suppressants necessary.

Eat very low carb, high fat, moderate protein.

Don't eat sugar, flour products or other high carb foods which spike your blood sugar and insulin and make you hungry a short while later.


Mostly this. Avoid processed foods and dieting isn't that hard
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 08:10:13 AM
This guy may have bigger issues than appetite suppression which again is why we need more info before just advising him how to starve himself. He could be 120lb bulimic with an eating disorder for all we know. He may be drinking. He may not be training. He might be 400lbs we have no idea
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 02, 2021, 08:11:53 AM
That too.

Do you remember the poster Swedish Viking?  That dude had a great build and ate once a day, and ate foods based on smell.

He was about 10 years ahead of everyone else on nutrition.

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Was also great on Game of Thrones.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Dave D on August 02, 2021, 08:13:46 AM
I am answering your question without pics every word you or anyone else says about nutrition and training and supplements is just pure bullshit. I have made mad gains in the last few months and was in mad shape to start anyway.

No one wants to meet your dumbass but if anyone wants actual legit advice they need to post pics because where you are at changes the godamn advice drastically also your condition is your resume. No one knows who is telling the truth and who is talking out of their ass about training diet and nutrition without actual pics.

I’ll let all of Hany Rimrod’s and Charles Glasses clients know they’re getting bad advice because those guys look like crap.

Also the topic was what do you do for appetite suppression. No training or questions on how to lean out.

This guy may have bigger issues than appetite suppression which again is why we need more info before just advising him how to starve himself. He could be 120lb bulimic with an eating disorder for all we know

In that case why would he be on Getbig ? Are you saying he sees something different in the mirror than you what everyone else sees? Is that why you think you could offer solid advice on this type of issue?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Dave D on August 02, 2021, 08:22:46 AM
Bhank why don't you offer any helpful advice in the stock market discussion?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: tatoo on August 02, 2021, 08:26:31 AM
People asking for advice without pics are not helping themselves. How can anyone give anyone good advice without knowing where the person is actually at to start. No one wants to hear your estimate of your stats show a fucking pic and give stats and current training regime if you want real applicable advice


youre shot lmao.... i was asking about appetite suppression not how to eat and diet fuckface.... let me guess, you can tell if a person is hungry by looking at them? nice... i myself cant,,, but if i looked at one your pics id say you looked like you ate kale and almonds all day everyday.... and id be wrong too... wouldnt i?  Jethrow.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: GymnJuice on August 02, 2021, 08:29:53 AM
No drugs or suppressants necessary.

Eat very low carb, high fat, moderate protein.

Don't eat sugar, flour products or other high carb foods which spike your blood sugar and insulin and make you hungry a short while later.

What foods to eat:
Meat, eggs, fish
Non-starch vegetables (green)
Beans, lentils (but not a lot)
Cheese, cream
Nuts, seeds
Butter, oils

This
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 02, 2021, 08:30:29 AM
Shizzo didn't deserve to be thrown under the bus like that.
;D :D
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 02, 2021, 09:04:10 AM
Do you remember the poster Swedish Viking?  That dude had a great build and ate once a day, and ate foods based on smell.

He was about 10 years ahead of everyone else on nutrition.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getbig.com%2Fboards%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D57467.0%3Battach%3D162913%3Bimage&f=1&nofb=1)

Was also great on Game of Thrones.
I don`t recall him but Clarence Bass and a ton of old school guys ate only once or twice a day and looked the picture of health with decent muscle size.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 02, 2021, 09:19:26 AM
I don`t recall him but Clarence Bass and a ton of old school guys ate only once or twice a day and looked the picture of health with decent muscle size.

There's a lot of stuff the body does when it's not constantly digesting.  Digestion takes energy and focus for the body, and fucks with insulin apparently.

That's the main argument for those against frequent feeding.

I think it's mostly subjective though - different things work for different people.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Henda on August 02, 2021, 09:24:51 AM
Holding off eating as long as possible each day

Eating bland shit that doesn't make crave any more food
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 02, 2021, 09:26:05 AM
Holding off eating as long as possible each day


That's only because you're ripping them out 24/7 to JPJ pics.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: JustPlaneJane on August 02, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
I`m in a good mood !!  ;D

Hi Wes 🙋‍♀️

Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 02, 2021, 10:40:38 AM
Just eat 2x a day, and drink black coffee in the morning until you first eat.

It takes a bit of a mental hurdle at first, then becomes routine.

It's simple.
This^  Eating a high fat breakfast helps as well.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Henda on August 02, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
That's only because you're ripping them out 24/7 to JPJ pics.

Haha this I don’t deny
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 11:40:02 AM

youre shot lmao.... i was asking about appetite suppression not how to eat and diet fuckface.... let me guess, you can tell if a person is hungry by looking at them? nice... i myself cant,,, but if i looked at one your pics id say you looked like you ate kale and almonds all day everyday.... and id be wrong too... wouldnt i?  Jethrow.

The point is I am not going to tell a guy who may be 100lbs for all I know how to suppress his appetite how to do it again depends on what the fuck size you are now
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Dave D on August 02, 2021, 11:46:15 AM
The point is I am not going to tell a guy who may be 100lbs for all I know how to suppress his appetite how to do it again depends on what the fuck size you are now

Hes 287 at 5% bf. 5'9. Currently eating 8500 calories a day, broken down into approximately 65% protein 30% carbs 5% healthy fats.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 02, 2021, 12:07:25 PM
I notice when I take a bit of Ephedra, it makes me not want to eat.

I do not like stims normally, but if feeling beat from not sleeping properly, Ill cut one of these into quarters and just take a 1/4 tab. (Hi-Tech Lipodrene).
It kills my already shrinking appetite. (Maybe age related (mid 50's).

--

Serving Size: 1 Tablet

Servings Per Container: 100

Proprietary Blend: 557.5mg with Thermo-RX and Extend-RX: 560mg

Eph Extract 25mg (leaves)


I've written about this scam many times before. This product contains NO ephedrine. The leaves contain no ephedrine. It's a scam because it's designed to fool the customer.

what do you fellas use?  i cant seem to diet without one... using some ephedra based shit now.. i dont think its like ma huang back in the day,, but it curbs it... is the prescription stuff worth it?

You have the same scam shit  :-\

What prescription stuff are you talking about? There's only Vyvanse, which is time released amphetamine. Hard to get but wonderful. Hard to even drink after taking it.

There used to be phentermine but I think it has been taken off the market.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 02, 2021, 12:14:00 PM
I've written about this scam many times before. This product contains NO ephedrine. The leaves contain no ephedrine. It's a scam because it's designed to fool the customer.

You have the same scam shit  :-\

Van - you have any thoughts on Tongkat Ali & Fadogia Agretis?

Reputable sources say they can legit increase Test levels.

Looks like getting real Tongkat is a bitch.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Van_Bilderass on August 02, 2021, 12:20:54 PM
Van - you have any thoughts on Tongkat Ali & Fadogia Agretis?

Reputable sources say they can legit increase Test levels.

Looks like getting real Tongkat is a bitch.

I don't know anything about it but I doubt it's worth it. Maybe for libido.

https://examine.com/supplements/eurycoma
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: deadz on August 02, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Self Control
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: JustPlaneJane on August 02, 2021, 03:01:41 PM
Haha this I don’t deny
.

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Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: falco on August 02, 2021, 03:21:05 PM
Willpower.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IroNat on August 02, 2021, 03:50:32 PM
Calorie restrictive, high carb diets have a very high rate of failure.  Willpower is not enough.

Yes, you can suffer through it for a month or two or three.

Eventually you tire of being always hungry.  Are you going to starve yourself for the rest of your life?

So what to do?

Low carb, high fat, moderate protein.  Eat this way and you will lose weight, mantain muscle, and most importantly, not be hungry.  It is sustainable.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: SCV8 on August 02, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
What are your favorite sources of fat?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IroNat on August 02, 2021, 03:58:04 PM
What are your favorite sources of fat?

Don't eat sugar, flour products or other high carb foods which spike your blood sugar and insulin and make you hungry a short while later.

What foods to eat:
Meat, whole eggs, fish
Non-starch vegetables (green)
Beans, lentils (but not a lot)
Cheese, cream
Nuts, seeds
Butter, oils
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: BlackMetallic on August 02, 2021, 04:27:52 PM
I've written about this scam many times before. This product contains NO ephedrine. The leaves contain no ephedrine. It's a scam because it's designed to fool the customer.

You have the same scam shit  :-\

What prescription stuff are you talking about? There's only Vyvanse, which is time released amphetamine. Hard to get but wonderful. Hard to even drink after taking it.

There used to be phentermine but I think it has been taken off the market.

You can still get Phentermine as a script

It is no longer combined with Fen-phen
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 02, 2021, 04:39:36 PM
How to actually be sustainably lean and a fullgrown man

Your body wants to weigh whatever it weighs turn it into muscle and maintain your weight you will get leaner lifting and eating in the long run than dieting as your metabolism will eventually outpace the cookies
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IRON CROSS on August 02, 2021, 05:22:40 PM

WARRIOR DIET By Ori Hofmekler was publish in 2003 !.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: pamith on August 02, 2021, 06:00:23 PM
Some supplements increase your appetite, helping you eat more
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: CalvinH on August 02, 2021, 07:13:33 PM
bhanks posts make me throw up so that helps a lot.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 03, 2021, 02:46:59 AM
WARRIOR DIET By Ori Hofmekler was publish in 2003 !.
Great book.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 03, 2021, 03:16:20 AM
Hi Wes 🙋‍♀️


What`s up hun...............keep working hard on those cleans.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: MAXX on August 03, 2021, 03:25:57 AM
yeah just coffee and fewer meals

and above all staying busy with something i.e. Doing work. Sitting in front of youtube, messageboards or whatever isn't...
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 03, 2021, 03:45:44 AM
If you have to suppress your appetite you are doing this shit WRONG

If you were training hard you would be asking what to take to stimulate your appetite most guys take ghrelin releasers not appetite suppressants
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: tatoo on August 03, 2021, 05:55:19 AM
If you have to suppress your appetite you are doing this shit WRONG

If you were training hard you would be asking what to take to stimulate your appetite most guys take ghrelin releasers not appetite suppressants


so.. being hungry during a diet is all wrong.... id eat a ton if i could without any appetite stimulant....come on now, go somewhere with your bs.., quit typing and let your tendonitis rest.. thats the dumbest shit ive heard in a while... ive eaten 5k calories a day and still been hungry... fat as fuck, gained 35lbs....i was still in the gym training hard....and that was coming from a pretty lean 187lbs.... so when i cut calories to lose bf, i shouldnt be hungry along the way? 
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 03, 2021, 06:05:37 AM

so.. being hungry during a diet is all wrong.... id eat a ton if i could without any appetite stimulant....come on now, go somewhere with your bs.., quit typing and let your tendonitis rest.. thats the dumbest shit ive heard in a while... ive eaten 5k calories a day and still been hungry... fat as fuck, gained 35lbs....i was still in the gym training hard....and that was coming from a pretty lean 187lbs.... so when i cut calories to lose bf, i shouldnt be hungry along the way?

Cutting calories is not how you long term lose bodyfat you lose bodyfat and make it less of your % by adding muscle to your frame that will burn more calories at your resting metabolic rate. This is why pics matter. How tall are you? If you were 187lbs and lean don't pretend you gained 35lbs of fat training hard and eating because that is bullshit. We need to see how tall and how heavy you are and what age and how long you have been X weight to determine what weight your body wants to be.

If your body wants to weigh 210lbs then you have to make 210lbs your lean bodyweight by adding muscle. Dieting down to a lean 180lbs wont last as your body will just rebound to 210lbs again and again with less muscle each time as you lose it dieting. 

Eat and train for strength and you will eventually get much leaner and more maintainable than you can through starvation "dieting" I eat more than 5k calories daily
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 03, 2021, 06:15:04 AM

so.. being hungry during a diet is all wrong.... id eat a ton if i could without any appetite stimulant....come on now, go somewhere with your bs.., quit typing and let your tendonitis rest.. thats the dumbest shit ive heard in a while... ive eaten 5k calories a day and still been hungry... fat as fuck, gained 35lbs....i was still in the gym training hard....and that was coming from a pretty lean 187lbs.... so when i cut calories to lose bf, i shouldnt be hungry along the way?

He's not entirely wrong.

You shouldn't be on a "diet".  You should find a style of eating that lets you accomplish your goals, while eating foods you like.

Think of it another way - by looking for a suppressant, you're basically saying you can't lose weight without one, and you will have to use it forever to stay where you want.  That isn't sustainable.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: loco on August 03, 2021, 06:18:33 AM
what do you fellas use?  i cant seem to diet without one... using some ephedra based shit now.. i dont think its like ma huang back in the day,, but it curbs it... is the prescription stuff worth it?

Eating a low carb, high fat, high protein, mostly animal based diet.  I don't get hungry for 12 to 24 hours.  I eat only when I'm hungry, and I eat until I'm full.  I don't eat anything I don't enjoy.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 03, 2021, 06:27:31 AM
Eating a low carb, high fat, high protein, mostly animal based diet.  I don't get hungry for 12 to 24 hours.  I eat only when I'm hungry, and I eat until I'm full.  I don't eat anything I don't enjoy.

That's pretty much it.

Cycle carbs around exercise if you must.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 03, 2021, 06:27:49 AM
Eating a low carb, high fat, high protein, mostly animal based diet.  I don't get hungry for 12 to 24 hours.  I eat only when I'm hungry, and I eat until I'm full.  I don't eat anything I don't enjoy.

^^^This^^^
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 03, 2021, 06:30:50 AM
He's not entirely wrong.

You shouldn't be on a "diet".  You should find a style of eating that lets you accomplish your goals, while eating foods you like.

Think of it another way - by looking for a suppressant, you're basically saying you can't lose weight without one, and you will have to use it forever to stay where you want.  That isn't sustainable.

Exactly dude is like what is a good appetite suppressant to get and stay lean meth motherfucking meth but is that really the plan????? Eat and train and you will be lean at a heavier weight
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IroNat on August 03, 2021, 07:13:43 AM
I'd adjust that to "low carb, high fat, moderate protein".

Too much protein just gets converted to glucose which stimulates insulin release which stores fat.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: loco on August 03, 2021, 07:30:49 AM
I'd adjust that to "low carb, high fat, moderate protein".

Too much protein just gets converted to glucose which stimulates insulin release which stores fat.

True.  For me personally what works best is low carb, high fat, moderate protein to maintain desired body weight and low carb, high/moderate fat, high protein to lose unwanted body weight...works for me probably because of the reduced calories due to reduced dietary fat.

I don't really keep up with macros or measure anything.  I just go for the fattiest cuts of meat and cook in extra butter or bacon grease to maintain desired body weight.  And I go for the leaner cuts of meat and cut back on butter and bacon grease when I want to lose unwanted body fat.

Low carb, high fat, moderate protein works well too to prevent, manage or reverse neurological and mental issues such as depression, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, dementia, etc.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826507/

Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 03, 2021, 07:39:29 AM
True.  For me personally what works best is low carb, high fat, moderate protein to maintain desired body weight and low carb, high/moderate fat, high protein to lose unwanted body weight...works for me probably because of the reduced calories due to reduced dietary fat.

I don't really keep up with macros or measure anything.  I just go for the fattiest cuts of meat and cook in extra butter or bacon grease to maintain desired body weight.  And I go for the leaner cuts of meat and cut back on butter and bacon grease when I want to lose unwanted body fat.

Low carb, high fat, moderate protein works well too to prevent, manage or reverse neurological and mental issues such as depression, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, dementia, etc.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3826507/


What do you do about cholesterol?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 03, 2021, 07:56:32 AM
What do you do about cholesterol?

There's been a ton of studies debunking the link between sat fat and heart disease, as well as the importance of cholesterol in the body.

YMMV of course, but it's worth researching.

Also, lots of stuff against using statins to lower cholesterol.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: loco on August 03, 2021, 08:13:43 AM
What do you do about cholesterol?

On a very low carb, high fat diet, triglycerides drop significantly and quickly.  That's very good.

HDL increases.  That's very good too.

LDL ("bad cholesterol") increases.  Is this bad?  It is harmless and it may actually be very good, but only for people on a very low carb, high fat diet:

1. LDL is not a good marker for heart health and mortality.  A much better marker is Triglyceride/HDL ratio.  Just divide your Triglyceride number by your HDL number.  You want it to be below 2.  The lower the better.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664115/

2. LDL is bad if your LDL particles are small and more dense, even if your total LDL number is low.  This is how people with low LDL still have heart attacks.  A high carb diet will make your LDL particles smaller and more dense.  A low carb, high fat diet makes your LDL particles large and less dense.


3. LDL is bad if your LDL particles get oxidized.  High glucose, from eating lots of carbs, oxidizes LDL particles.  Statins are bad.


4. On a low carb, high fat diet, high LDL can actually be protective and increase your life span.  Statins are bad.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 03, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Eating a low carb, high fat, high protein, mostly animal based diet.  I don't get hungry for 12 to 24 hours.  I eat only when I'm hungry, and I eat until I'm full.  I don't eat anything I don't enjoy.

This right here.

If you really want to add something to "suppress the appetite", then try provigil.  It is a stimulant, but taken in small doses - 1/4th to 1/2 tab, it will take the edge off any cravings you have.  You don't want to really suppress your appetite, you just want to make sure that what you eat is going to be what you need for the best results and not empty calories.   Garbage In = Garbage Out.  Eliminate the junk in the diet and use "good" junk food to fool yourself into thinking you are eating sweets.  Get the Triple 0 yogurt from the grocery and add a scoop of Beverly International protein powder to it for a cheat snack.  Or sugar free Jello and add BCAA powder to the mixture before letting it set completely.  One thing I do is make my own MuscleEgg type product.  Buy liquid egg whites and Fairfield (or whatever it is called) Reduced Fat chocolate milk at the grocery.  1 cup of liquid egg whites and 1/4 cup of the chocolate milk mixed is great right before bed.  And since there is no taste to egg whites, your brain thinks you are drinking a full glass of chocolate milk.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 03, 2021, 08:44:27 AM
The only legit long term effective appetite suppressant is food
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: loco on August 03, 2021, 08:46:52 AM
The only legit long term effective appetite suppressant is food

Agreed.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: JustPlaneJane on August 03, 2021, 10:46:27 AM
What`s up hun...............keep working hard on those cleans.

I am not focusing on cleans this week, I’m working on abs and lunges.

What did you think of my back pose ? I’m down to 133 lbs and do you think my back is better than bhbank’s ?

I’m also still working on bench pressing with my wrist wraps. Don’t worry Tommy, your 551 record is still safe for now. I’m not sure where to put my feet when I’m benching ?
🙋‍♀️
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: bhank on August 03, 2021, 10:49:11 AM
I am not focusing on cleans this week, I’m working on abs and lunges.

What did you think of my back pose ? I’m down to 133 lbs and do you think my back is better than bhbank’s ?

I’m also still working on bench pressing with my wrist wraps. Don’t worry Tommy, your 551 record is still safe for now. I’m not sure where to put my feet when I’m benching ?
🙋‍♀️

133lb Tranny just stop it women don't post the nasty shit you post
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: JustPlaneJane on August 03, 2021, 11:07:30 AM
133lb Tranny just stop it women don't post the nasty shit you post

When you were a child the little girls made you feel inadequate.
When you went to school your female classmates made you feel inadequate.
In high school all the girls made you feel inadequate and hate yourself.
As an adult your wife, mother, and mother in law made you feel inadequate.

So in between all that self-hatred you physically assaulted your wife to make yourself feel better about being an ugly, stupid loser.

My success and the attention I receive here must really make you absolutely want to kill yourself.

Proceed…you won’t be missed.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 03, 2021, 11:27:33 AM
There's been a ton of studies debunking the link between sat fat and heart disease, as well as the importance of cholesterol in the body.

YMMV of course, but it's worth researching.

Also, lots of stuff against using statins to lower cholesterol.
I hope this is right.  I have had borderline cholesterol for a while and refuse statins.  I take plant sterols right now.  Tried red yeast rice but was farting constantly.  I love the high fat diet but just want to cover my bases.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 03, 2021, 11:40:27 AM
I hope this is right.  I have had borderline cholesterol for a while and refuse statins.  I take plant sterols right now.  Tried red yeast rice but was farting constantly.  I love the high fat diet but just want to cover my bases.

I am on statins but supplement CQ10, and am going to work with doc to stop.

However, even while taking statins,my bad cholesterol didn't budge, until I started running training for a Tough Mudder years ago, and then it doubled.

Changed my views on fitness.

Have to move, fuck the bodybuilding shit.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 03, 2021, 12:11:28 PM
I am on statins but supplement CQ10, and am going to work with doc to stop.

However, even while taking statins,my bad cholesterol didn't budge, until I started running training for a Tough Mudder years ago, and then it doubled.

Changed my views on fitness.

Have to move, fuck the bodybuilding shit.
I take CoQ10 as well.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 03, 2021, 12:40:35 PM
I hope this is right.  I have had borderline cholesterol for a while and refuse statins.  I take plant sterols right now.  Tried red yeast rice but was farting constantly.  I love the high fat diet but just want to cover my bases.

I've heard that what is on the market now is not that effective as the gov't went after it a while back because it was cutting into an actual Rx statin profits.  (I forgot the name).  I believe most of what is on the US market is Red Yeast Rice EXTRACT.  Which is not that effective.  Have you monitored your labs to see if it was actually working?  I know you can find real red yeast rice overseas as some people here ask me to bring it back anytime I go travel for a gig.

Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 03, 2021, 12:42:22 PM
I've heard that what is on the market now is not that effective as the gov't went after it a while back because it was cutting into an actual Rx statin profits.  (I forgot the name).  I believe most of what is on the US market is Red Yeast Rice EXTRACT.  Which is not that effective.  Have you monitored your labs to see if it was actually working?  I know you can find real red yeast rice overseas as some people here ask me to bring it back anytime I go travel for a gig.

Heard this too.

Also heard the original statin formula had CoQ10 in it, but they took it out for cost purposes.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 03, 2021, 12:44:54 PM
I am on statins but supplement CQ10, and am going to work with doc to stop.

However, even while taking statins,my bad cholesterol didn't budge, until I started running training for a Tough Mudder years ago, and then it doubled.

Changed my views on fitness.

Have to move, fuck the bodybuilding shit.

Which one are you on?  Many of the sport docs in our network are overwhelming going with Crestor (taken at night) as an active lifestyle statin.  They also encourage CQ10 as well, but they suggest taking the entire daily dose (whatever you make be taking) all at once rather than split apart.  If you take one 300mg capsule take it all at once, if you take two 300mg capsules for a total of 600mg, take it all at once don't do another dose in 24 hours.

I've heard people complain of aches and pains in the legs from statins.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 03, 2021, 12:51:36 PM
Heard this too.

Also heard the original statin formula had CoQ10 in it, but they took it out for cost purposes.

It was the same as when the gov't went after yohimbine because it was a cheaper ED alternative.  Now you can only get the crappy yohimbe bark (or extract) kind. 
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Soul Crusher on August 03, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
I take a protein drink of Thorne Whey with, CoQ10, Vitamin D, multi V, 5 g of creatine, and this sleep supp from amazon and never wake up hungry at night any more.   

This works great FYI

https://thegeniusbrand.com/products/genius-sleep-aid
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: loco on August 03, 2021, 01:40:30 PM
I get my CoQ10 naturally by eating meat everyday.

Statins have been found to reduce the amount of naturally occurring CoQ10 in the body.  Stay far away from statins.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Grape Ape on August 03, 2021, 01:44:04 PM
Which one are you on?  Many of the sport docs in our network are overwhelming going with Crestor (taken at night) as an active lifestyle statin.  They also encourage CQ10 as well, but they suggest taking the entire daily dose (whatever you make be taking) all at once rather than split apart.  If you take one 300mg capsule take it all at once, if you take two 300mg capsules for a total of 600mg, take it all at once don't do another dose in 24 hours.

I've heard people complain of aches and pains in the legs from statins.

Simvastatin (Zocor) 40mg @ night.

300mg of CQ10 in the am, with Vit D / B / Quercetin

Magnesium Citrate / Zinc / C at night.

That's pretty much it.

I don't swear by any of this stuff, but it's cheap enough and likely not harmful, so might as well.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: tatoo on August 03, 2021, 02:43:22 PM
This right here.

If you really want to add something to "suppress the appetite", then try provigil.  It is a stimulant, but taken in small doses - 1/4th to 1/2 tab, it will take the edge off any cravings you have.  You don't want to really suppress your appetite, you just want to make sure that what you eat is going to be what you need for the best results and not empty calories.   Garbage In = Garbage Out.  Eliminate the junk in the diet and use "good" junk food to fool yourself into thinking you are eating sweets.  Get the Triple 0 yogurt from the grocery and add a scoop of Beverly International protein powder to it for a cheat snack.  Or sugar free Jello and add BCAA powder to the mixture before letting it set completely.  One thing I do is make my own MuscleEgg type product.  Buy liquid egg whites and Fairfield (or whatever it is called) Reduced Fat chocolate milk at the grocery.  1 cup of liquid egg whites and 1/4 cup of the chocolate milk mixed is great right before bed.  And since there is no taste to egg whites, your brain thinks you are drinking a full glass of chocolate milk.

exactly what im talking about... thank you... is provigil available online? i know alpha pharma had it for a whlle.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 03, 2021, 02:47:40 PM
I am not focusing on cleans this week, I’m working on abs and lunges.

What did you think of my back pose ? I’m down to 133 lbs and do you think my back is better than bhbank’s ?

I’m also still working on bench pressing with my wrist wraps. Don’t worry Tommy, your 551 record is still safe for now. I’m not sure where to put my feet when I’m benching ?
🙋‍♀️
I didn`t see your back pose ???
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: joswift on August 03, 2021, 02:48:46 PM
looking at photos of bhanks...
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 03, 2021, 02:49:57 PM
Cutting calories is not how you long term lose bodyfat you lose bodyfat and make it less of your % by adding muscle to your frame that will burn more calories at your resting metabolic rate. This is why pics matter. How tall are you? If you were 187lbs and lean don't pretend you gained 35lbs of fat training hard and eating because that is bullshit. We need to see how tall and how heavy you are and what age and how long you have been X weight to determine what weight your body wants to be.

If your body wants to weigh 210lbs then you have to make 210lbs your lean bodyweight by adding muscle. Dieting down to a lean 180lbs wont last as your body will just rebound to 210lbs again and again with less muscle each time as you lose it dieting. 

Eat and train for strength and you will eventually get much leaner and more maintainable than you can through starvation "dieting" I eat more than 5k calories daily
He gained 35 pounds of fat !!

Do you realize how long it would take him to change his body composition using your methods?

YOU IDIOT !!
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: JustPlaneJane on August 03, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
I didn`t see your back pose ???

In your email.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IroNat on August 03, 2021, 03:26:09 PM
He gained 35 pounds of fat !!

Do you realize how long it would take him to change his body composition using your methods?

YOU IDIOT !!

The laws of physics do not apply to Bhank.

He is a mutant.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 03, 2021, 06:51:03 PM
In your email.
Cool, I`ll check it out.

Been gone all day visiting my dying mother in law.........haven`t had a chance to do anything.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: wes on August 03, 2021, 06:52:34 PM
The laws of physics do not apply to Bhank.

He is a mutant.
He`s a fucking egotistical nitwit.

NITWIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111 1
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 04, 2021, 03:14:05 AM
I've heard that what is on the market now is not that effective as the gov't went after it a while back because it was cutting into an actual Rx statin profits.  (I forgot the name).  I believe most of what is on the US market is Red Yeast Rice EXTRACT.  Which is not that effective.  Have you monitored your labs to see if it was actually working?  I know you can find real red yeast rice overseas as some people here ask me to bring it back anytime I go travel for a gig.
I only used the red yeast rice for a week before moving to plant sterols and CoQ10.  I have not gotten follow up blood work yet but will later this year.  Cholesterol was 220 last time.  20 years ago it was 205.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on August 04, 2021, 07:12:04 AM
I only used the red yeast rice for a week before moving to plant sterols and CoQ10.  I have not gotten follow up blood work yet but will later this year.  Cholesterol was 220 last time.  20 years ago it was 205.

I have noticed a trend docs aren't overly concerned with what the #s are nowdays as it is primarily genetic, instead they are more worried about the size of it.   Have you had it measured by VAP / LDL-P?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Howard on August 04, 2021, 08:27:25 AM
what do you fellas use?  i cant seem to diet without one... using some ephedra based shit now.. i dont think its like ma huang back in the day,, but it curbs it... is the prescription stuff worth it?

I usually eat a large pizza or doz donuts and it quickly curbs my "hunger pangs".

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on August 04, 2021, 09:11:52 AM
I have noticed a trend docs aren't overly concerned with what the #s are nowdays as it is primarily genetic, instead they are more worried about the size of it.   Have you had it measured by VAP / LDL-P?
No, maybe next time I'll bring that up.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Hypertrophy on August 04, 2021, 10:15:16 AM
Calorie restrictive, high carb diets have a very high rate of failure.  Willpower is not enough.

Yes, you can suffer through it for a month or two or three.

Eventually you tire of being always hungry.  Are you going to starve yourself for the rest of your life?

So what to do?

Low carb, high fat, moderate protein.  Eat this way and you will lose weight, mantain muscle, and most importantly, not be hungry.  It is sustainable.


I guess it all depends on your body type and your exercise regimen.


Yesterday I took in 2300 calories  made up of 230 g carbs, 122 gms fat and 75 grams protein. This is typical- I range daily from 2000-2300 while dieting. I don't feel hungry and actually yesterday i kind of felt stuffed.


I have done the low carb deal and it is useless. I drag ass all day and I feel terrible. I even get kidney stones. The longest I ever did low carb was for 1 year- and it doesn't get better.  I bicycle a lot and can definitely see a performance drop on low carb. I measure my performance in watts and it is easy to see a 30% drop on low carb. Why would anyone willingly do that?


I currently weigh 203 pounds at 5'9" and am shooting to get down to about 190, if that. I notice that on a high carb  but calorie limited diet  I actually get leaner and yet maintain muscle mass and strength. On low carb I lose muscle like crazy and look stringy.


The single biggest thing I have discovered about diet is that overtraining - going too hard for too long or too often- causes a huge jump in hunger and yet I get weaker. I am sure this is related to cortisol levels. I purposely keep those levels down by concentrating on heart rate training.


I track my blood pressure daily (usually 120/80), resting pulse on waking (55+/-5 bpm) and Sp02 96-99%


My goals next year are the Master National Cycling Championships in the criterium (high speed, flat races) and I need a fast sprint and a very high average wattage for an hour. This diet lets me do that while slowly leaning out.
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: Hypertrophy on August 04, 2021, 10:21:47 AM
133lb Tranny just stop it women don't post the nasty shit you post


Looking at the legs in JPJ's avatar, I'd say she is pretty damn hot. And I've seen her back pic that popped up here once before. She looks great. Why the hate?
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: joswift on August 04, 2021, 10:44:16 AM
When you were a child the little girls made you feel inadequate.
When you went to school your female classmates made you feel inadequate.
In high school all the girls made you feel inadequate and hate yourself.
As an adult your wife, mother, and mother in law made you feel inadequate.

So in between all that self-hatred you physically assaulted your wife to make yourself feel better about being an ugly, stupid loser.

My success and the attention I receive here must really make you absolutely want to kill yourself.

Proceed…you won’t be missed.

Brutal breakdown of bhanks personal life
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: IroNat on August 04, 2021, 12:33:07 PM

I guess it all depends on your body type and your exercise regimen.


Yesterday I took in 2300 calories  made up of 230 g carbs, 122 gms fat and 75 grams protein. This is typical- I range daily from 2000-2300 while dieting. I don't feel hungry and actually yesterday i kind of felt stuffed.


I have done the low carb deal and it is useless. I drag ass all day and I feel terrible. I even get kidney stones. The longest I ever did low carb was for 1 year- and it doesn't get better.  I bicycle a lot and can definitely see a performance drop on low carb. I measure my performance in watts and it is easy to see a 30% drop on low carb. Why would anyone willingly do that?


I currently weigh 203 pounds at 5'9" and am shooting to get down to about 190, if that. I notice that on a high carb  but calorie limited diet  I actually get leaner and yet maintain muscle mass and strength. On low carb I lose muscle like crazy and look stringy.


The single biggest thing I have discovered about diet is that overtraining - going too hard for too long or too often- causes a huge jump in hunger and yet I get weaker. I am sure this is related to cortisol levels. I purposely keep those levels down by concentrating on heart rate training.


I track my blood pressure daily (usually 120/80), resting pulse on waking (55+/-5 bpm) and Sp02 96-99%


My goals next year are the Master National Cycling Championships in the criterium (high speed, flat races) and I need a fast sprint and a very high average wattage for an hour. This diet lets me do that while slowly leaning out.

You have learned what works for you.  That is best.

Eating a lot of carbs does cause your pancreas to work hard to balance your blood glucose which can lead to Type 2 diabetes.

Usually the cause for fatigue on a low carb diet is not eating enough fat.  Not getting enough fat calories results in weight loss.  Your body still needs fuel.

Macros for 2000 calories would be...

10% carbs = 50 grams
20% protein = 100 grams
70% fat = 156 grams

2300 would be...

10% carbs = 58 grams
20% protein = 115 grams
70% fat = 179 grams

I don't count calories or macros. 
Title: Re: appetite suppression... what helps you?
Post by: loco on August 05, 2021, 03:52:02 AM
Eating a lot of carbs does cause your pancreas to work hard to balance your blood glucose which can lead to Type 2 diabetes.

Not to mention fatty liver, fatty pancreas, pancreatic cancer, high triglycerides, acid reflux, insulin resistance, skin tags, leaky gut, autoimmune disorders, anxiety, depression, obesity, erectile dysfunction, constant hunger and carvings, dementia and much more.

Years of frequent or constant, high blood glucose levels is a poison to the body.

Usually the cause for fatigue on a low carb diet is not eating enough fat.  Not getting enough fat calories results in weight loss.  Your body still needs fuel.

I don't count calories or macros.

Exactly.