Taurine

[Rambone]

What’s the deeeeal with taurine?

[The Scott]

What’s the deeeeal with taurine?

Depending up spelling (Taurine, Tayrine, TaTaarine, Toyrinia, Toeringe, etc.)  I think it's the top name so far this year for black babies.

[Rambone]

Depending up spelling (Taurine, Tayrine, TaTaarine, Toyrinia, Toeringe, etc.)  I think it's the top name so far this year for black babies.

We had a black kid at my high school named Taurean. He loved the white wimmens. True story!

[wes]

Depending up spelling (Taurine, Tayrine, TaTaarine, Toyrinia, Toeringe, etc.)  I think it's the top name so far this year for black babies.

Dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111  LOL 

[Dave D]

No taurine is very abundant in the body.

As always, examine has all the facts.

https://examine.com/supplements/taurine/

I've had heart failure when I had covid so it *might* be especially good for me, along with d-ribose, which is also "fuel" for the heart.

I don't know what data those Red Bull formulators went by back then, some thought it was weird that they put that in there, a sort of nervous system depressant, but all the energy drinks have, although it's hard to determine if it's doing much at those dosages. When energy drinks became more popular here the authorities and docs suspected taurine was causing heart problems in users as they were showing up in hospitals complaining of various symptoms. But it was just caffeine overdoses, or Vodka/Redbull overdoses. It hasn't been banned because there's no data showing damage.

Van you just blew my mind. For the better part of the last 20 years I’ve thought taurine was an animal waste byproduct…..

[Dalnet]

Try magnesium glycinate at night for stress relief and deep sleep. Amazed at how well it works.

Noted. Perked up reading that since I'll try anything for good sleep. Thx.

[Van_Bilderass]

Van you just blew my mind. For the better part of the last 20 years I’ve thought taurine was an animal waste byproduct…..

Yeah I think it's essential for cats as it's in all cat food lol. I think it's essential for humans too, only humans bodies can manufacture it, so not classed as essential (to get from the outside). But that Arnold fella said some researchers have called for reclassification. And of course some nutrients are called "conditionally" essential, there may be instances where you need more than the body is capable of producing. It's supposed to be so good for so many things, even as a kidney protectant, so I just throw it in there from time to time since it's so cheap.

For juicers there are some natural supps that can be very beneficial in my opinion. Like Astragalus for the kidneys (number one worry for bodybuilders, not the liver, kidneys), nattokinase for potential blood clotting issues worsened by anabolics, milk thistle and tauroursodesoxycholic acid for the liver, NAC, acetyl-l-glutathione for improved levels of the "master antioxidant" of the body (anabolics can damage the kidneys and other parts, like brain, through excessive redox) and on and on. I know we joke about pro bbers taking their kidneys and heart and liver supps but they will not hurt at least.

[Van_Bilderass]

Noted. Perked up reading that since I'll try anything for good sleep. Thx.

Number one sleeping drug currently in Sweden is mirtazapine. I have an Rx. I sometimes took a mirta with my Vyvance amphetamine in the morning and was falling asleep on the bus, you know that painful type of sleepiness that hurts lol. Mirta isn't a sleeping pill per se, it's an antidepressant, but docs really push this one now for sleep. Great for appetite and for reducing nausea as well, many hate it because they put on so much weight on it.
It's most likely much healthier than Xanax. You just need like 7.5-15mg - I have 45mg tablets but I break them up.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4a4ImmCRVi/?igsh=MWFya3U5bmtweWd0dg==

Best sleep stack for me lol

Mirtazapine, Anadrol plus carb "backloading." Take those with say 100 grams of maltodextrin an hour or more before sleep.

[Humble Narcissist]

We had a black kid at my high school named Taurean. He loved the white wimmens. True story!

Did they love him?

[Dalnet]

Number one sleeping drug currently in Sweden is mirtazapine. I have an Rx. I sometimes took a mirta with my Vyvance amphetamine in the morning and was falling asleep on the bus, you know that painful type of sleepiness that hurts lol. Mirta isn't a sleeping pill per se, it's an antidepressant, but docs really push this one now for sleep. Great for appetite and for reducing nausea as well, many hate it because they put on so much weight on it.
It's most likely much healthier than Xanax. You just need like 7.5-15mg - I have 45mg tablets but I break them up.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4a4ImmCRVi/?igsh=MWFya3U5bmtweWd0dg==

Best sleep stack for me lol

Mirtazapine, Anadrol plus carb "backloading." Take those with say 100 grams of maltodextrin an hour or more before sleep.

I have thousands of mirtazapines, quetiapine, zopiclones, phenegrams, but alternate them with natural sleep as not to build up tolerance to any one product. I have to say, when I drop a 25mg short acting quetiapine, rather than the 100mg or 300mg versions, I conk out and it's lights out for a good 8 hours on that stuff. Hard to find something that takes me from 7/10 alertness to 0 and needing to wrap the blanket over me before I pass out. Quetiapine is great for that but it's only as good as a 3 or 4 night take before your body gets used to it. Had a problem with zopiclones years ago and learned the hard way what it's like coming off z drugs. Like your own personal hell.

You mentioned benzos, but I never really got the appeal. Used to have diazepam prescribed when I was working hardcore but didn't really enjoy or find they made a difference. 

Mirtazies are way too drowsy the next day for my liking, but maybe that's just me and it works for you easier. You seem to know your stuff. BTW, there's a whole plethora of hardcore psychiatric level sleeping tablets out there that are rarely on the black market. Do they still even get prescribed for "normies" or are they limited to psych hospitals? Getting hold of them either due to low demand or whatever reason seems to be difficult

[Raymondo]

Number one sleeping drug currently in Sweden is mirtazapine. I have an Rx. I sometimes took a mirta with my Vyvance amphetamine in the morning and was falling asleep on the bus, you know that painful type of sleepiness that hurts lol. Mirta isn't a sleeping pill per se, it's an antidepressant, but docs really push this one now for sleep. Great for appetite and for reducing nausea as well, many hate it because they put on so much weight on it.
It's most likely much healthier than Xanax. You just need like 7.5-15mg - I have 45mg tablets but I break them up.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4a4ImmCRVi/?igsh=MWFya3U5bmtweWd0dg==

Best sleep stack for me lol

Mirtazapine, Anadrol plus carb "backloading." Take those with say 100 grams of maltodextrin an hour or more before sleep.

How groggy does it make one in the morning?

[Dalnet]

How groggy does it make one in the morning?

This is precisely why I don't take them often. They're not my thing for the morning. For all its tolerance problems, zopiclone was ideal for a good rise the next morning. A great refreshing wakeup. Whereas mirtazapine felt like a dirty unstable walk to the bathroom and even a coffee hit did little to override it. 25mg quetiapine was also perfect for a nice wakeup but not the long acting 100mg or 300mg. Only the 25s seemed to work for a quick wakeup.

Your body may react differently but I definitely had a woozy morning on mirtazapine

[Van_Bilderass]

How groggy does it make one in the morning?

It can be a problem. Maybe many take too much as well. It was said, at least in the past, a low dose made you tired whereas a high dose made you energetic as then other neuotransmitters like adrenaline became involved. Early today I took a whole 45mg tab because I couldn't dleep at night and was planning on training but woke up at 21.30 PM and felt like I could have slept til morning. Only way to know is by trying, like I said even 7.5mg can work though the lowest dose tablet here is a 15mg unscored one. You might also take it several hours before sleep so it hopefully washes out more by morning. It's good because it's not addictive per se and not dangerous, might perk up your mood and every doc will write an Rx for it, unlike the z-drugs or benzos.

Regarding the quatipine that dalnet mentioned, I had it once maybe 25 years ago and can't remember how it worked. There were some serious potential sides plus my impression has been that people on these dopamine blockers/antipsychotics turn into fat zombies. For situational use I doubt this is a worry though.

Z-drugs can be great for falling asleep, but they leave so fast it might wake you up due to mini-withdrawals lol. The short action is why they aren't AS addictive as long acting benzos but may again worsen your mood during the day as you go through that mini-withdrawal and sympathetic rebound. So for me, if I had a very debilitating situation where I absolutely needed to sleep I would take a Valium, mirtazapine a couple of hours before sleep and then a z-drug at bedtime. The z-drugs start working within minutes, in fact it's recommended they be taken when you are already in bed and turned off your phone and laptop, otherwise you might perk up and enjoy the high while sending stupid texts to friends, or even decide to go for take-out food with your car, as happened to me lol. Woke up and had unopened food boxes on my kitchen table and no memory of having done so lol.