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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
From what I've heard him say, he credits a lot of his early success to taking advice from former Mr. Universe, John Brown. I'm sure he gave him some dietary tips to get him started. Then, Ray figured things out, via trial and error, from there.
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My favorite bodybuilder of all time. Not afraid to give his true opinions, just like a Getbigger.
Should have at least one Sandow, probably more.
Definition of consistency and longevity.
Do they have an IFBB Hall of Fame? If so, he is a lock.
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From what I've heard him say, he credits a lot of his early success to taking advice from former Mr. Universe, John Brown. I'm sure he gave him some dietary tips to get him started. Then, Ray figured things out, via trial and error, from there.
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My favorite bodybuilder of all time. Not afraid to give his true opinions, just like a Getbigger.
Should have at least one Sandow, probably more.
Definition of consistency and longevity.
Do they have an IFBB Hall of Fame? If so, he is a lock.
He should have won in '94 and '96.
To me, he had the best abdominal wall in the history of bodybuilding. Rectus abdominis, serratus anterior and external obliques. Best ever. Also, one of if not the prettiest front double biceps pose ever. Everything just tied in perfectly on his physique.
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He should have won in '94 and '96.
;D
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
Saw him in seminar in early 89
He said the reason for his poor showing at the 88 Olympia was because now he was a pro he had to start using drugs and used a bit of Avavar which screwed him up
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Shawn right after the 1994 Mr Olympia
Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray
Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.
( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "
Shawn knew his place , so should you
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Because most bodybuilders are as thick as pigshit
Dieting isnt hard to learn, its hard to do right
Most people can look at a plate and know what they should be eating, unfortunatly most people have no self control
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What is this fuzzy still photo supposed to prove? Enlighten me please.
Let's keep things in perspective...
Dorian's atrophied arms, mangled left bicep, bloated ab wall and spilled over obliques make him unworthy of the win. He won only because of conditioning and a big back and calves not because he was a better bodybuilder. Nasser should have placed above him as well. Chew on that.
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We are in the age where height and mass don't guarantee a victory. It's about the total package.
That's the way it always should have been.
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What is this fuzzy still photo supposed to prove? Enlighten me please.
Let's keep things in perspective...
Dorian's atrophied arms, mangled left bicep, bloated ab wall and spilled over obliques make him unworthy of the win. He won only because of conditioning and a big back and calves not because he was a better bodybuilder. Nasser should have placed above him as well. Chew on that.
Shawn excellent bodybuilder NOT Mr Olympia caliber maybe back in the early 80s but that ship sailed last Mr Olympia around 200lbs was Samir in 1983 he was simply born in the wrong era , Same with Labrada
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Shawn excellent bodybuilder NOT Mr Olympia caliber maybe back in the early 80s but that ship sailed last Mr Olympia around (http://200lbs was Samir in 1983) he was simply born in the wrong era , Same with Labrada
he was 186lbs
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What is this fuzzy still photo supposed to prove? Enlighten me please.
Let's keep things in perspective...
Dorian's atrophied arms, mangled left bicep, bloated ab wall and spilled over obliques make him unworthy of the win. He won only because of conditioning and a big back and calves not because he was a better bodybuilder. Nasser should have placed above him as well. Chew on that.
That's a good video, never saw it, thanks for sharing.
I was at that show live.
Nasser totally challenged from the front, but from the back, it was so lopsided people were laughing in the audience.
Dorian won that show easy.
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he was 186lbs
188lbs but you get the point Haney won at 230lbs retired at 249lbs , Yates won at 242lbs , Ronnie 249lbs , the trend was going up.
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Shawn right after the 1994 Mr Olympia
Flex magazine January 1995 Shawn Ray
Dorian was a bigger version of what he's been. I'm not a fan in the sense that his physique is something I aspire to attain. Dorian is in his own class and in his own little world. For that reason, there's nobody they can compare like-to-like with Dorian. They can only bring forward a different package.
( 1994 Mr Olympia ) Tonight I feel that I got what I deserved. With a beaming smile , Shawn concluded: " This is the first time in three years I haven't ' retired ' the night of the show and got drunk. "
Shawn knew his place , so should you
Yeah, Shawn knew his place...1st place...start at 2:30 :-*
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Yeah, Shawn knew his place...1st place...start at 2:30 :-*
Old news, He's living in the past. History is done. He lost and honestly lucky to beat Kevin that year. Facts are facts weather or not you or Shawn can accept them. Shawn lost life moves on , for most of us ;D
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188lbs but you get the point Haney won at 230lbs retired at 249lbs , Yates won at 242lbs , Ronnie 249lbs , the trend was going up.
Haney was in the 250s in 91 and when I provided you proof in his own voice, you said he changed it. ::)
Dorian outside 92 and 93 was overrated asf. He coasted on conditioning and an incredible back.
Below average biceps
Great triceps
Average chest
Average quads
Incredible calves
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Haney was in the 250s in 91 and when I provided you proof in his own voice, you said he changed it. ::)
Dorian outside 92 and 93 was overrated asf. He coasted on conditioning and an incredible back.
Below average biceps
Great triceps
Average chest
Average quads
Incredible calves
Again he revised his opinion which he's entitled to do. He's living in the past he should let it go he knew he wasn't in Dorian's league and he was bitter the rules didn't bend to him or cater to his type of physique , perhaps they should've , perhaps it would've been better for the sport , what happened, happened, Dorian was an excuse for Shawn failure , So was Ronnie in 1998 . Shawn was rid of the Dorian problem and guess what? He still couldn't make it happen against Ronnie. Shawn had a fantastic physique being Mr Olympia wasn't in the cards for him. ever.
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Love him or hate him,Shawn Ray was one of the best ever IMO.
The three or four times I talked to him he was really cool,not like some stories you`ve heard about him.
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That's a good video, never saw it, thanks for sharing.
I was at that show live.
Nasser totally challenged from the front, but from the back, it was so lopsided people were laughing in the audience.
Dorian won that show easy.
Nasser said in a video he’d train back two times a week. Yikes.
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genetics > everything else
lesson over
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From what I've heard him say, he credits a lot of his early success to taking advice from former Mr. Universe, John Brown. I'm sure he gave him some dietary tips to get him started. Then, Ray figured things out, via trial and error, from there.
still at it, trained two sons for the NFL
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woooooooshhhhhhhh
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woooooooshhhhhhhh
If only people would listen
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Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
as opposed to 6 bowls of minced gruel that they sit hunched over spooning in that seems to be popular today
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as opposed to 6 bowls of minced gruel that they sit hunched over spooning in that seems to be popular today
or do what hunter labrada does and blend protein bars up with protein powder
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This video shows how Yates looked at the 1994 Olympia, from the audience perspective
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
He was actually top 5 in 12 of the 13 O’s
Complete bber imo also, had everything, you can say narrow, small but he had a complete physique including calves
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or do what hunter labrada does and blend protein bars up with protein powder
It's actually not that bad if done in moderation. Oat/peanut based protein bars and whey powder. Goes down pretty easy and hits macros.
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It's actually not that bad if done in moderation. Oat/peanut based protein bars and whey powder. Goes down pretty easy and hits macros.
I think at one point he was doing 4-5 of those a day
I mean I use to do oats/PB/vitargo/ and protein as a make shift MRP
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Gal Listernino went after Shawn at this years Arnold.
Shawn was sitting having breakfast, Gal showed up w/ his Posse, chest out, threatening when someone is most vulnerable.
Shawn talked bad about his "dead friend" (Rodan) ::)
Gal Listerino ::) ::)
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
No pre/intra/post workout supplements,
No EAA'S/BCAA'S,
No protein powders
(all loaded with artificial flavoring, food dyes, filters, heavy metals which all fuck up your gut biome and digestion).
No cookies/muffins pre-workout
No cereal post workout
No Five Guys cheats
Then you wonder why Pros look like shit, blown out midsections, always complaining about bloating and digestive issues. Shawn Ray always had a absolutely chiseled midsection, always in condition. Look at that diet, all real food, technically dude was eating paleo. Never injured, always looked healthy. Even though he may be a dick, he was a great bodybuilder, had an amazing physique.
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Not only was he one of the best bodybuilders in the world, but he is still heathy and have a good family.
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Not only was he one of the best bodybuilders in the world, but he is still heathy and have a good family.
This is questionable,
There have been tons of stories about him cheating.
I think the last time Dexter went off on him abt it
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This video shows how Yates looked at the 1994 Olympia, from the audience perspective
Shawn wasn't beating that. He knew it.
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Not only was he one of the best bodybuilders in the world, but he is still heathy and have a good family.
is he still exploiting his young daughter?
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Didn't he only win one contest his entire career?
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Didn't he only win one contest his entire career?
He won the 1990 and 1991 Arnold Classic. 1990 Pro Ironman
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Didn't he only win one contest his entire career?
3 , stripped of one of them
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Didn't he only win one contest his entire career?
Two of them: 1990 IronMan; and 1991 ASC.
You have to remember that in the 80s and early 90s, placing top 10 at the Olympia was more prestigious than winning shows. So, a lot of bodybuilders who cracked the top 10 didn't bother competing anywhere else (especially since placing that high qualified you for the following year's Olympia).
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(https://musclememory.com/images/current/RayShawn.jpg)
Shawn Ray
Height 5'7"
Weight 205
Born September 9, 1965
1984
Mr Los Angeles - AAU, Teen, 1st
1985
Teen Nationals - NPC, Overall Winner
1986
Junior Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 2nd
1987
California Championships - NPC, Overall Winner
California Championships - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
Nationals - NPC, Overall Winner
Nationals - NPC, Light-HeavyWeight, 1st
1988
Night of Champions - IFBB, 4th
Olympia - IFBB, 13th
1990
Arnold Classic - IFBB, Disqualified
Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1991
Arnold Classic - IFBB, Winner
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1992
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1993
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1994
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
1995
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
1996
Arnold Classic - IFBB, 5th
Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB, 3rd
Olympia - IFBB, 2nd
1997
Olympia - IFBB, 3rd
1998
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
1999
Olympia - IFBB, 5th
2000
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
2001
Olympia - IFBB, 4th
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Two of them: 1990 IronMan; and 1991 ASC.
You have to remember that in the 80s and early 90s, placing top 10 at the Olympia was more prestigious than winning shows. So, a lot of bodybuilders who cracked the top 10 didn't bother competing anywhere else (especially since placing that high qualified you for the following year's Olympia).
Getting a pro card back then would be more prestigious than winning most pro shows now.
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Gal Listernino went after Shawn at this years Arnold.
Shawn was sitting having breakfast, Gal showed up w/ his Posse, chest out, threatening when someone is most vulnerable.
Shawn talked bad about his "dead friend" (Rodan) ::)
Gal Listerino ::) ::)
Shawn got punked. Once he wasn't safe behind a computer or a microphone he had nothing outlandish to say.
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Getting a pro card back then would be more prestigious than winning most pro shows now.
Absolutely. Remember the killers in the NPC back then. Cormier, Newman, Hernon, Don Long, Titus. Only 2 could turn pro. Only a couple could turn pro. The rest had to wait until next year
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is he still exploiting his young daughter?
She's been pretty successful. Even had her own reality TV show. They half decent laws in place to protect the earnings of child stars so no luck there for Shawn.
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What is this fuzzy still photo supposed to prove? Enlighten me please.
Let's keep things in perspective...
Dorian's atrophied arms, mangled left bicep, bloated ab wall and spilled over obliques make him unworthy of the win. He won only because of conditioning and a big back and calves not because he was a better bodybuilder. Nasser should have placed above him as well. Chew on that.
I'm no bodybuilding judge but if anything this video proves Dorian won fairly. Nasser looks really good, great shape, size, symmetry but the conditioning does make a huge difference. Dorian looks like he's carved out of granite, Nasser looks like he's pumped full of air.
Ray gets too much flack for being opinionated. Most of the interviews I've heard of Ray he's telling it like he sees it. Most of what he says is true. Some people don't want to hear it.
Don't know him well enough to say what kind of person he is. He may be a scumbag for all I know but I have no problem with his opinion. People are to sensitive. And that cisterno is the worst attention whore. Is there no death that he won't try make about himself and his contrived anguish? Yeah these guys passing away is such a painful memory . ..except for the fact that you can't stop bringing it up on social media.
Great bodybuilder for sure. All the more impressive that he did it on his own.
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Didn't he only win one contest his entire career?
Careful.
One more than me (actually it was several he won). Seriously, after he took 4th in his first pro show, the 1989 Night of the Champions (behind Phil Hill-1st, Robby Robinson-2nd and Bob Paris-3rd), he was nice enough to accept a random walk up in the restaurant invitation from complete strangers to eat with us at Beefsteak Charlie's in New York City. We were just some young knucklehead fans, and he and his brother knew us from Adam but they came and sat down and ate with us after what must have been a crushing loss (but deserved) after just having won the 1987 Nationals the year before (and looking like a god). For that I give him all the way good dude.
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Careful.
One more than me (actually it was several he won). Seriously, after he took 4th in his first pro show, the 1989 Night of the Champions (behind Phil Hill-1st, Robby Robinson-2nd and Bob Paris-3rd), he was nice enough to accept a random walk up in the restaurant invitation from complete strangers to eat with us at Beefsteak Charlie's in New York City. We were just some young knucklehead fans, and he and his brother knew us from Adam but they came and sat down and ate with us after what must have been a crushing loss (but deserved) after just having won the 1987 Nationals the year before (and looking like a god). For that I give him all the way good dude.
Hell yeah. That's badass
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From what I've heard him say, he credits a lot of his early success to taking advice from former Mr. Universe, John Brown. I'm sure he gave him some dietary tips to get him started. Then, Ray figured things out, via trial and error, from there.
Shawn talked about this with John Brown in this seminar they gave this year at the LA Fit Expo:
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This video shows how Yates looked at the 1994 Olympia, from the audience perspective
Thanks for posting! (I got to see Yates a few times. …… was always blown away!/ people could not fathom how Yates looked “ live in the flesh!” 🤘
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Careful.
One more than me (actually it was several he won). Seriously, after he took 4th in his first pro show, the 1989 Night of the Champions (behind Phil Hill-1st, Robby Robinson-2nd and Bob Paris-3rd), he was nice enough to accept a random walk up in the restaurant invitation from complete strangers to eat with us at Beefsteak Charlie's in New York City. We were just some young knucklehead fans, and he and his brother knew us from Adam but they came and sat down and ate with us after what must have been a crushing loss (but deserved) after just having won the 1987 Nationals the year before (and looking like a god). For that I give him all the way good dude.
Hate to break it to you, but Shawn is notorious for going out of his way to avoid paying for a meal. Sitting down to eat with random knuckleheads who pick up bill would be right up his street.
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
Having an IQ over 85
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
That's at a fancy restaurant. Under normal circumstances, his meals probably looked more like those of this man (though not quite the same volume).
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how did shawn do it??
drugs, good genetics, lifted weights
I thought this shit was understood here by now....but then again there are still asshats here who believe HIT was a real thing... so there it is I guess
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Hate to break it to you, but Shawn is notorious for going out of his way to avoid paying for a meal. Sitting down to eat with random knuckleheads who pick up bill would be right up his street.
Sure, I know that, but it wasn't just him, it was his older brother (a civilian) there also. And he was far from a dick or full of himself, he was very nice, the both of them, and he was just up onstage like an hour or so earlier. He literally won the overall at the Nationals the prior year and was in all the magazines. And he talked about stuff with us he certainly did not have to. The price of a meal was easily worth it, but it wasn't even my money, it was the money of these two New Jersey dudes we just met at the resturant also. They were themselves too intimidated to go up and ask Shawn to come over, and I said hell I'll do it.
I've seen standoffish, arrogant, self-centered high level bodybuilders plenty of times. Flex seemed like that, as did Gaspari (and why wouldn't they act like that, they are the elite of the elite).
That wasn't Shawn (or his brother), not that night.
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Sure, I know that, but it wasn't just him, it was his older brother (a civilian) there also. And he was far from a dick or full of himself, he was very nice, the both of them, and he was just up onstage like an hour or so earlier. He literally won the overall at the Nationals the prior year and was in all the magazines. And he talked about stuff with us he certainly did not have to. The price of a meal was easily worth it, but it wasn't even my money, it was the money of these two New Jersey dudes we just met at the resturant also. They were themselves too intimidated to go up and ask Shawn to come over, and I said hell I'll do it.
I've seen standoffish, arrogant, self-centered high level bodybuilders plenty of times. Flex seemed like that, as did Gaspari (and why wouldn't they act like that, they are the elite of the elite).
That wasn't Shawn (or his brother), not that night.
Shawn Ray gave me a free review copy of his Fitness After 40 DVD at the 2007 Arnold Classic expo. He was also cool to me.
But in the end, for as good as he looked, he Never1AnO.
He very well may have, had he been willing to push his physique 20-lb up with more drugs and calories. But Shawn didn't want to. He was like Bob Paris, in that he had a look that he preferred, even if it cost him slightly in the placings.
And I respect Shawn for that. Now at, what, almost 57, he's much healthier than other bodybuilders of his era. Heck - just being alive at all is proof of that.
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;D
Bro...
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woooooooshhhhhhhh
Why are we so obsessed with bodybuilding? Srs question
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Why are we so obsessed with bodybuilding? Srs question
It's because there is something magical about the human physique. Amazingly captivating on a biological level.
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Shawn got punked. Once he wasn't safe behind a computer or a microphone he had nothing outlandish to say.
He really didnt say anything "outlandish" about Rodan.
Plus, one cant talk w/ out a juicehead acting all school-yard, puffed chest, wanting to fight (like a 12 yr old)?
Very bizarre behavior on Gal Lisaternino ::)
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not a fan, very good but overrated
looks great in some poses like abs/thighs and back double bicep, looks small and narrow in every other pose
always thought he looked out of place in the final pose down, too small and stumpy next to those specimens
he thinks his mouth cost him the title, i think his mouth got him higher placings than he deserved
also not overly impressed by his olympia record when you consider he only competed at the olympia, while most of the others competed year round which made it easier for him to peak at the olympia
as for his personality, i like his honesty and blunt points when talking about the sport, but when 9 out of 10 people have nothing but bad things to say it probably means he's not a good guy
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Shawn was robbed in 1994.
No doubt about it.
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Shawn was robbed in 1994.
No doubt about it.
Do you realize that Shawn was BEHIND Kevin after the prejudging. He was actually lucky he placed second in this show. Because 99 times out of a 100 your placing after the prejudging was your placing period.
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I have that Muscle & Fitness.
Bob Wolff wrote the contest article.
He, like Peter McGough, often had his head three quarters up Dorian's butt.
Wolff was the one who wrote his book Blood and Guts for him.
And even he said that Shawn Ray, and I quote: "should have flown home with the Sandow."
And if you're close enough, you can pass someone in rounds three and four (individual pose and posedown).
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I have that Muscle & Fitness.
Bob Wolff wrote the contest article.
He, like Peter McGough, often had his head three quarters up Dorian's butt.
Wolff was the one who wrote his book Blood and Guts for him.
And even he said that Shawn Ray, and I quote: "should have flown home with the Sandow."
And if you're close enough, you can pass someone in rounds three and four (individual pose and posedown).
It was Flex Magazine and Shawn wasn't close to Dorian , He was close to Kevin. Shawn Promised to beat Haney , he couldn't , promised to beat Dorian , he couldn't thought he should've beat Ronnie in 1998 , He's fucking delusional. Look when competing you have to believe you can beat anyone but when you put things in prospective Shawn wasn't in their league. He rarely competed in smaller shows and when he did he didn't win them. Great physique , perhaps should've been Mr Olympia and his type of physique should be the ideal but he wasn't. His chance to be Mr Olympia was decades before him.
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not a fan, very good but overrated
looks great in some poses like abs/thighs and back double bicep, looks small and narrow in every other pose
always thought he looked out of place in the final pose down, too small and stumpy next to those specimens
he thinks his mouth cost him the title, i think his mouth got him higher placings than he deserved
also not overly impressed by his olympia record when you consider he only competed at the olympia, while most of the others competed year round which made it easier for him to peak at the olympia
as for his personality, i like his honesty and blunt points when talking about the sport, but when 9 out of 10 people have nothing but bad things to say it probably means he's not a good guy
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Some of the others had to compete year round to qualify. Plus, as stated earlier, a top-10 Olympia placing was more prestigious than winning smaller shows back in the 80s and early 90s.
When the Arnold Classic money was nearly as high as that of the Olympia, that drew more competitors to compete in the spring.
Ray won the IronMan and Arnold Classic, which were considered the next two most prestigious shows after the Olympia. Maybe, he thought all he needed was to focus on the big one.
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not a fan, very good but overrated
looks great in some poses like abs/thighs and back double bicep, looks small and narrow in every other pose
always thought he looked out of place in the final pose down, too small and stumpy next to those specimens
he thinks his mouth cost him the title, i think his mouth got him higher placings than he deserved
also not overly impressed by his olympia record when you consider he only competed at the olympia, while most of the others competed year round which made it easier for him to peak at the olympia
as for his personality, i like his honesty and blunt points when talking about the sport, but when 9 out of 10 people have nothing but bad things to say it probably means he's not a good guy
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Better guy than 99 percent of the schmoes and drug addicts in the industry, the guy is close to 60 and seems to be healthy still
Kevin and flex seem to be close friends with Shawn to this day
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It was Flex Magazine
No, it was M&F. Gary Strydom cover.
https://ibb.co/ZBDjy1z (https://ibb.co/ZBDjy1z)
and Shawn wasn't close to Dorian , He was close to Kevin. Shawn Promised to beat Haney , he couldn't , promised to beat Dorian , he couldn't thought he should've beat Ronnie in 1998 , He's fucking delusional. Look when competing you have to believe you can beat anyone but when you put things in prospective Shawn wasn't in their league. He rarely competed in smaller shows and when he did he didn't win them. Great physique , perhaps should've been Mr Olympia and his type of physique should be the ideal but he wasn't. His chance to be Mr Olympia was decades before him.
As to this, we must agree to disagree.
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Some of the others had to compete year round to qualify. Plus, as stated earlier, a top-10 Olympia placing was more prestigious than winning smaller shows back in the 80s and early 90s.
When the Arnold Classic money was nearly as high as that of the Olympia, that drew more competitors to compete in the spring.
Ray won the IronMan and Arnold Classic, which were considered the next two most prestigious shows after the Olympia. Maybe, he thought all he needed was to focus on the big one.
Probably should have tried to get Night of Champions in New York after loss to Phil Hill.
Maybe go after Toronto Pro.
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Some of the others had to compete year round to qualify. Plus, as stated earlier, a top-10 Olympia placing was more prestigious than winning smaller shows back in the 80s and early 90s.
When the Arnold Classic money was nearly as high as that of the Olympia, that drew more competitors to compete in the spring.
Ray won the IronMan and Arnold Classic, which were considered the next two most prestigious shows after the Olympia. Maybe, he thought all he needed was to focus on the big one.
flex, nasser, cormier, and Mr. Levrone regularly competed at the arnold and night of champions even though they qualified for the olympia
yes shawn only cared about the olympia
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No, it was M&F. Gary Strydom cover.
https://ibb.co/ZBDjy1z (https://ibb.co/ZBDjy1z)
As to this, we must agree to disagree.
I'm pretty sure I have that magazine. Now if I could only find it :D
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woooooooshhhhhhhh
Great video great advice
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
Hi Shawn
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Hi Shawn
Racist post reported
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Shawn was not afraid to diet down until he was super-cut. And he would would usually beat a couple of the top guys, who chased after size, and came in too heavy.
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Shawn could have easily added 20 lbs plus but he kept the symmetrical proportions and didn’t blow out his waist. A lot of guys were starting to emerge in the 90s.
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flex, nasser, cormier, and Mr. Levrone regularly competed at the arnold and night of champions even though they qualified for the olympia
yes shawn only cared about the olympia
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WTF Very cuckish
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Shawn was not afraid to diet down until he was super-cut. And he would would usually beat a couple of the top guys, who chased after size, and came in too heavy.
Wasn't Shawns whole thing that he didn't eat any different during prep and offseason. He got cut by training more and increasing intensity.
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Wasn't Shawns whole thing that he didn't eat any different during prep and offseason. He got cut by training more and increasing intensity.
Yes.
There were some pics towards the end of his career that showed that he bulked up a bit in the offseason. But earlier on, I believe that he tended to not bulk up, and remain with striking distance of any potential shows.
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It's because there is something magical about the human physique. Amazingly captivating on a biological level.
Bro...
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How was Shawn Ray able to do it?
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"Uncrowned Mr. Olympia"; robbed in 1994 & 1996:
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WTF Very cuckish
Lmfao
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Yes.
There were some pics towards the end of his career that showed that he bulked up a bit in the offseason. But earlier on, I believe that he tended to not bulk up, and remain with striking distance of any potential shows.
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"Uncrowned Mr. Olympia"; robbed in 1994 & 1996:
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A lot of haters in this thread, a whole lotta heat...
https://youtu.be/GyfBg-Wiyek?t=37 (https://youtu.be/GyfBg-Wiyek?t=37)
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"Uncrowned Mr. Olympia"; robbed in 1994 & 1996:
Dorian looked like absolute shit in 94 when relaxed.
1994 Mr. O was the first show that began to reward based on mass and conditioning and aesthetics took a back seat. This was the beginning of the end of bodybuilding aesthetics if you compete against Dorian. Absolutely terrible. The beginning of guts and spilled over obliques. He looks like a skinny guy in a barrel with twigs sticking out. Shawn Ray was damn near perfect.
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Ray 2nd Place VS Baker 12th Place
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Dorian looked like absolute shit in 94 when relaxed.
1994 Mr. O was the first show that began to reward based on mass and conditioning and aesthetics took a back seat. This was the beginning of the end of bodybuilding aesthetics if you compete against Dorian. Absolutely terrible. The beginning of guts and spilled over obliques. He looks like a skinny guy in a barrel with twigs sticking out. Shawn Ray was damn near perfect.
Dorian looked like shit in the standing relaxed from the front ( as well as the front double biceps ). Granted , however the contest is judged on a series of poses not just a couple. Dorian's standing relaxed from the back is unbeatable. You can make a case that Shawn should've been what the Mr Olympia ideal is supposed to imbody and aspire to but there is criteria and Shawn in every single pose is lacking in muscular bulk compared to his contemporaries even with that deficit he did very well for himself all things considered. This is a " sport " of genetic elites and Shawn while gifted wasn't in their league , Same with Lee Labrada. Shawn wasn't beating Haney , Yates or Coleman. 1998 Yates is gone , Shawn has NO excuses what happened? Outclassed by Ronnie & Flex. Actually had the audacity to say Ronnie in 1998 shouldn't have beaten him or Flex. It was NEVER in the cards for Shawn same with Labrada
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Ray 2nd Place VS Baker 12th Place
Baker was being taught a lesson for cashing out and going to the WBF
Shawn was a good boy for Uncle Joe
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Ray 2nd Place VS Baker 12th Place
Not a really great comparison bro because nobody got screwed over more than Aaron Baker did......he does look great there.
Baker was robbed a lot of times.
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is he still exploiting his young daughter?
She's exploiting herself now. :-\
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She's exploiting herself now. :-\
where on earth is that girls father?
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(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SuYn_bjYs8I/AAAAAAAABGs/NYoutWIVIYM/s400/Mr+Olympia+1995+%28MUSCLEBASE%29+18.JPG)
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Shawn was NOT beating this
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She's exploiting herself now. :-\
Y'all need to stop
Shawn could have easily added 20 lbs plus but he kept the symmetrical proportions and didn’t blow out his waist. A lot of guys were starting to emerge in the 90s.
I disagree. If I remember he came into a contest at 218-19 one year and was waterlogged and proceeded to go back to 212 or so.
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Y'all need to stop
I disagree. If I remember he came into a contest at 218-19 one year and was waterlogged and proceeded to go back to 212 or so.
He came in at 215lbs and his conditioning suffered for it then he dropped down to his 205lbs
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He came in at 215lbs and hid conditioning suffered for it then he dropped down to his 205lbs
Thanks for the weight corrections but I remember the conditioning issue when he tried to size up
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Thanks for the weight corrections but I remember the conditioning issue when he tried to size up
I think it was 96 Arnold where he placed 5th
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Dorian looked like absolute shit in 94 when relaxed.
1994 Mr. O was the first show that began to reward based on mass and conditioning and aesthetics took a back seat. This was the beginning of the end of bodybuilding aesthetics if you compete against Dorian. Absolutely terrible. The beginning of guts and spilled over obliques. He looks like a skinny guy in a barrel with twigs sticking out. Shawn Ray was damn near perfect.
wiggs the judges never cared how they looked relaxed, it's all about the mandatory poses
the winner has always been the freakiest guy on stage, aesthetics are subjective and irrelevant
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wiggs the judges never cared how they looked relaxed, it's all about the mandatory poses
the winner has always been the freakiest guy on stage, aesthetics are subjective and irrelevant
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Samir?
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My favorite bodybuilder of all time. Not afraid to give his true opinions, just like a Getbigger.
Should have at least one Sandow, probably more.
Definition of consistency and longevity.
Do they have an IFBB Hall of Fame? If so, he is a lock.
Was run out of Getbig. Great bodybuilder and really good commentator when he did bodybuilding shows for ESPN.
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Was run out of Getbig. Great bodybuilder and really good commentator when he did bodybuilding shows for ESPN.
Who got Ray to do the spoon pic? Was it getbig or bb.com misc?
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I gotta` dig up a few old pics I took of Shawn.
He was eating in the Sheraton Hotel lobby in Pittsburgh {host hotel} and I asked if he would mind if I took a few pics....he said "no problem".
Then he came backstage where all the contestants were and shot the shit with all of us for quite a while.....he was really cool not like some of the stuff you hear about him.
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I gotta` dig up a few old pics I took of Shawn.
He was eating in the Sheraton Hotel lobby in Pittsburgh {host hotel} and I asked if he would mind if I took a few pics....he said "no problem".
Then he came backstage where all the contestants were and shot the shit with all of us for quite a while.....he was really cool not like some of the stuff you hear about him.
Exactly. Shawn is a good dude. I don't get the hate.
Basically, don't have open/public strong opinions on anything if you don't want to get hate.
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Dorian looked like absolute shit in 94 when relaxed.
1994 Mr. O was the first show that began to reward based on mass and conditioning and aesthetics took a back seat. This was the beginning of the end of bodybuilding aesthetics if you compete against Dorian. Absolutely terrible. The beginning of guts and spilled over obliques. He looks like a skinny guy in a barrel with twigs sticking out. Shawn Ray was damn near perfect.
Dorian is dog shit, overrated, everyone says “you have to see him to believe it” give me a break. All politics. Only schmoes and confused individuals will find that sort of physique “amazing”
Bbing after all is subjective and those homos on the east coast (where Dorian would train before the olympia) bev Francis’s gym had a lot of pull on the judging
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I saw Yates in person in 1995. He was preparing for the Olympia. He said that he was 295. He was extremely impressive.
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How was Shawn able to "do it"? Simple. He took a bunch of PEDs. It's how they all "do it" so he wasn't doing anything that others were not doing.
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I saw Yates in person in 1995. He was preparing for the Olympia. He said that he was 295. He was extremely impressive.
Paul Dillett, Gunter, Nasser, Ruhl were all more impressive in person
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Paul Dillett, Gunter, Nasser, Ruhl were all more impressive in person
Most impressive I've ever seen and I've seen countless was offseason Ronnie in 03. Palumbo was impressive believe it or not. Huge and shredded even offseason.
I wasn't as impressed with Ramy as I thought I'd be
Kai was insane dense. His legs were out of this world.
Phil isn't narrow like you'd think he'd be. He's actually damn near flawless and his arms were Ronnieesque.
Jay Cutler, wide as hell.
Offseason Marcus Ruhl even wider.
Aaron Baker was absolutely phenomenal. Looked like a superhero.
Great calves especially for a brother.
Dennis Newman before he got leukemia looked like a real life Superman.
Gunther = Aryan ideal. Tall, good looking, well proportioned and German.
Paul Dillet = wide
Lee Priest was not impressed like I thought I'd be
Milos Sarcev looked like handsome Squidward perfect tan, hair, taller than I thought he'd be.
Chris Comier= saw him off season and he was much larger than I thought he'd be and carried it really well.
Shawn Ray = in 96 to me he was huge after I was used to being around pros he was tiny in the 00s.
So many others Im sure I missed, these are standouts. Wish I could have seen prime Dorian.
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Most impressive I've ever seen and I've seen countless was offseason Ronnie in 03. Palumbo was impressive believe it or not. Huge and shredded even offseason.
I wasn't as impressed with Ramy as I thought I'd be
Kai was insane dense. His legs were out of this world.
Phil isn't narrow like you'd think he'd be. He's actually damn near flawless and his arms were Ronnieesque.
Jay Cutler, wide as hell.
Offseason Marcus Ruhl even wider.
Aaron Baker was absolutely phenomenal. Looked like a superhero.
Great calves especially for a brother.
Dennis Newman before he got leukemia looked like a real life Superman.
Gunther = Aryan ideal. Tall, good looking, well proportioned and German.
Paul Dillet = wide
Lee Priest was not impressed like I thought I'd be
Milos Sarcev looked like handsome Squidward perfect tan, hair, taller than I thought he'd be.
Chris Comier= saw him off season and he was much larger than I thought he'd be and carried it really well.
Shawn Ray = in 96 to me he was huge after I was used to being around pros he was tiny in the 00s.
So many others Im sure I missed, these are standouts. Wish I could have seen prime Dorian.
Agree on all accounts, didn’t name Ronnie on there cause I thought that was the obvious ;D
I saw Ronnie a lot in 03 when he was prepping for the O, over 300 pounds and just crazy looking.
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Samir?
horrid competition and he was the most complete guy on stage
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Dorian is dog shit, overrated, everyone says “you have to see him to believe it” give me a break. All politics. Only schmoes and confused individuals will find that sort of physique “amazing”
Bbing after all is subjective and those homos on the east coast (where Dorian would train before the olympia) bev Francis’s gym had a lot of pull on the judging
Nothing overrated about Dorian, especially his early career.
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During the most competitive era of bodybuilding, at 5'7 (that's generous) between 205-212lbs on stage. No guru, no nutritionist, no counting calories, no posing coach, this man ended up having one of the best bodies of all time. Never touched slin (his words), I don't believe he ever touched GH either.
2nd place in Mr. O in 94 and 96. Top 6 in 12 of 13 years he competed.
Incredible when you look back and think about it. We can look back and assassinate his character as he gives us plenty of reasons to but when it comes to the business of bodybuilding there's few that can match or exceed him.
Gotta give respect where it's due. 8)
Btw, what a meal lineup! Look what these guys do today and are miserable.
Trial an error.
I remember him claiming that he made minor adjustments depending on how he looked in the mirror.
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Dorian is dog shit, overrated, everyone says “you have to see him to believe it” give me a break. All politics. Only schmoes and confused individuals will find that sort of physique “amazing”
Bbing after all is subjective and those homos on the east coast (where Dorian would train before the olympia) bev Francis’s gym had a lot of pull on the judging
You do realize that people he competed with have repeatedly said you had to see him in person. Not just star struck fanboys. And Steve Weinberger judged Dorian once and placed him second to Momo , so much for that excuse ::)
Just because he's not your cup of tea doesn't mean he wasn't that good. He never placed below second in any professional show and was only beaten twice. He was that good even if you don't get it.
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1994. This is where Shawn lost the show. Standing relaxed from the rear.
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1994. This is where Shawn lost the show. Standing relaxed from the rear.
Shawn lost the show because he was almost 60lbs lighter ( among other reasons ) Dorian was 262lbs and Shawn was 205lbs.
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1994. This is where Shawn lost the show. Standing relaxed from the rear.
the problem for shawn wasn't losing one pose, the problem was he lost every pose outside of front double bicep
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He had the genetics and discipline. Also, compared to Dillet he was a mental giant.
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You do realize that people he competed with have repeatedly said you had to see him in person. Not just star struck fanboys. And Steve Weinberger judged Dorian once and placed him second to Momo , so much for that excuse ::)
Just because he's not your cup of tea doesn't mean he wasn't that good. He never placed below second in any professional show and was only beaten twice. He was that good even if you don't get it.
Did you ever see him in person? Which show if the answer is yes