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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #950 on: January 26, 2011, 10:15:57 AM »
Heading out but someone asked about Keith's financial condition ......

Keith was involved as a partner in two very worthwhile start-ups

The first involved Product Placement in top ten TV shows and major motion pictures.

The second was a Hawaii Coffee Company.

And all involved in both those businesses would say that he was damn good at doing what he did in each.

And he was in the process of making big bucks, but like most 'start-ups' the profits were just beginning to materialize and Keith was the kind of person who spread any dollar he ever got among his friends and those more unfortunate than he was and who needed it for more important purposes than Keith presently had.

Keith was receiving great checks but he was never one to save a buck or two. He only carried a heavy wallet for a few brief hours before its contents were in someone else's pockets.

In a word ..... Keith was a very generous guy when he had the money and thankful most of all when he didn't.

And regarding spending his cash in a casino!

I was always there when he gambled and only saw him live the life of a 'whale' (oh-oh! .... but that's just casino talk for "Big Spender at the tables") when he spent time with C.N. and an uncle who was actually was one of the biggest 'whales' of modern day Las Vegas.

Back then Keith's group would fly to LV in a private plane and fill up the entire floor of one of the local casinos and gather in the John Wayne Suite before attacking the downstairs tables.

That group of 'whales' was so important back then that the casino bosses would have meetings before they showed up to ensure that everyone was treated properly and they'd keep one of the craps tables private for their gambling 'pleasure'.

And that's when the $1,000 chips came out in abundance.

And the top restaurant in Las Vegas always had a private table ready for their possible arrival.

And when they did arrive .... everything was compt and since the meals were very fancy and somewhat small, the larger guys were always served on bigger plates with lots of extras.

But Keith (believe it or not) was always satisfied with the regular entree of the House Special - Filet of Sole (Dover Style). Even back then he never ate too much.

And I can't recall a time in LV when the fart machine didn't show up suddenly in the least expected places .... casinos, elevators, bathroom stalls, behind the Mayor's ass, behind a street walker's ass (which made the Mayor fall on his ass in hysterics),  and in fancy show-rooms among many other Las Vegas places.

I failed to read all of Keith's GetBig submissions but I bet he mentioned a lot of this much earlier.

Later whenever I went to a casino with Keith, I'd act as his 'unofficial banker' whose job it was ... was to walk by his position at the craps table about every 20 minutes and remove his winnings from the chip slot and cash them in before he had a chance to lose 'em.

That worked well each and every time but there were a few times when I'd fail to see any 'winnings' so I'd just oontinue on back to the blackjack table from whence I came.

By the end of Keith's session at the table, the Boss would comp dinner or lunch for two, so we always had a decent meal before heading on into the sunset with a bag of winnings which was sometimes empty.

Those were fun times. And even funner when I found his fart machine and hid it for a week or two. I hated that damn thing.

He thought the dog ate it and he hated that dog for eating it.

I was intending to find one of those things and have it buried with him but Keith was cremated so the opportunity never arose.

If I get a chance I hope to squeeze one into that little ceramic jar I should be seeing at his memorial in Hawthorn. I only pray that it won't be a windy day!

Bye, Keith! Thanks for all them good times!

Even most of the arguments were enjoyable from this perspective.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #952 on: January 26, 2011, 11:06:08 AM »
I've been away and just found out. RIP, dude. My condolences to your family.
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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #953 on: January 26, 2011, 11:08:40 AM »
I've been away and just found out. RIP, dude. My condolences to your family.

good to see ya back

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #954 on: January 26, 2011, 03:14:54 PM »
are you now happy goodrum?


Please leave my name out of this.  Being happy about someone dying is pretty shitty, even if it was someone who I didn't like.  So stop acting like I'm having a party or something.  The only thing I did was pour some Crown Royal out on the ground and that was pretty much it.


Keith's gone and there's no honor in arguing about someone who no longer can. 


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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #955 on: January 26, 2011, 05:09:54 PM »

Please leave my name out of this.  Being happy about someone dying is pretty shitty, even if it was someone who I didn't like.  So stop acting like I'm having a party or something.  The only thing I did was pour some Crown Royal out on the ground and that was pretty much it.


Keith's gone and there's no honor in arguing about someone who no longer can. 




Crown Royal huh? Awe, you must have had a soft spot for him... if you really didn't like him, you would have poured Old English out. lol

I didn't know Keith as well as a lot of you on here, but I can tell you he'd rather us continue to joke around, then to sit here and cry about his passing... that I know for sure. All in all, he was a good guy and could dish out the shit talk with the best of them and its a shame he was taken early.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #956 on: January 26, 2011, 05:58:12 PM »
I appreciate stuntmovie posting about Keith. His comments are what others should accept and not the theories and hunches of others including myself. Stuntmovie shared a residence with Keith and kept an eye out for him to make sure he was okay. Between what Keith posts and stuntmovie posts you can see the truth. It was interesting to know that stuntmovie extended this care to the casino. Now, that is a friend!

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« Reply #957 on: January 26, 2011, 06:02:51 PM »
really hurts to see people disrespecting keith so badly

makes me wonder how many of the physical symptoms were from depression

Keith wasn't a kid and he knew as well as any of us what Getbig was all about. Most of the time it can be fun but not so much when one is the target of anonymous tools. Keith often spent too much time debating with his detractors. Eventually he saw that this is mostly a waste of time and it is better to be selective about who to reply to. We all know Keith's drift. No matter what anyone said about him he could always say he had a better life than the baggers had or would have. That is probably true.

I think a lot of people unloaded on each other to make themselves feel better and Keith was one of these people.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #958 on: January 26, 2011, 07:13:59 PM »
Crown Royal huh? Awe, you must have had a soft spot for him... if you really didn't like him, you would have poured Old English out. lol

I didn't know Keith as well as a lot of you on here, but I can tell you he'd rather us continue to joke around, then to sit here and cry about his passing... that I know for sure. All in all, he was a good guy and could dish out the shit talk with the best of them and its a shame he was taken early.


Not really but a lot of people would be surprised to know that we were not always at each other's throats.  Things got sour with me and Keith when the PDI began in 05 or 06 and it just got really bad from there.  I think the one thing that set him over the edge was when some of his old business partners contacted me with all of his personal and business information so that I would go after him so they wouldn't have to get their hands dirty as well as for payback due to his opposition to the IFBB and NPC. 
I think the real hatred of me was focused more on me being a defender of the IFBB and NPC than being black or gay.  But I guess I'll never know.  However, these arguments should be buried along with Keith, there's no use in dragging up the past.  I think it actually diminishes anything he has done.  I sure hope that when I die, no one remembers me for arguments that I had.   Hopefully, they'll get a laugh out of my burial arrangements of being cremated and the ashes put in a Chinese Take Out Box.  That and my relatives spending all the money from my life insurance policy
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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #959 on: January 26, 2011, 08:09:28 PM »
Melvin, we are partly who we associate with and vice versa. Yes, Keith was a spokesperson for the PDI and when that fell on its face Keith had egg on his face. Not his fault. I believe Keith saw clearly what was wrong with bodybuilding so wasn't as supportive of the IFBB as you and others are.

You leaped at the chance to get even with Keith. No doubt about it at all. The main reason he bagged you wasn't because you differed in bodybuilding politics. He was amused then annoyed by your claims about so many things that he dismissed you as a dreamer and bullshit artist. This is a fact and the posts here on Getbig establish that for all time.

You two gave and got plenty from each other so you both deserved what you got. It is sad that what was once amusing ended up being personal and nasty. That is what can be buried with Keith. His view about Vince G CSN MFT does not depend on what he thought of you but what many on Getbig think about you. That will remain long after Keith is gone.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #960 on: January 26, 2011, 08:46:45 PM »
Melvin, we are partly who we associate with and vice versa. Yes, Keith was a spokesperson for the PDI and when that fell on its face Keith had egg on his face. Not his fault. I believe Keith saw clearly what was wrong with bodybuilding so wasn't as supportive of the IFBB as you and others are.

You leaped at the chance to get even with Keith. No doubt about it at all. The main reason he bagged you wasn't because you differed in bodybuilding politics. He was amused then annoyed by your claims about so many things that he dismissed you as a dreamer and bullshit artist. This is a fact and the posts here on Getbig establish that for all time.

You two gave and got plenty from each other so you both deserved what you got. It is sad that what was once amusing ended up being personal and nasty. That is what can be buried with Keith. His view about Vince G CSN MFT does not depend on what he thought of you but what many on Getbig think about you. That will remain long after Keith is gone.


Keith went FAR TO FAR. The color of a persons skin or who they love is off limits. Keith FUCKED UP and so did the mods and Ron by allowing it. Don't cheapen this thread by debating this.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #961 on: January 26, 2011, 10:25:01 PM »
The essence of what Keith did was to bag Goodrum the exaggerator. No one can doubt this. I have pointed out that he went too far but that was Keith and yes, he was allowed way too much leeway here. The moderators are reasonably consistent in that they allow a lot of flaming here. I don't think that anyone should be allowed to make fun of a person who is really fat. That is no longer politically correct but on this forum it is open slather and that is a pity. Goodrum never held back in this regard. So both Keith and Melvin stepped over the civility line plenty of times. Did Keith go way too far? You bet. It was somewhat amusing but those vile remarks should not have been allowed to remain on the boards.

We all know how it works around here. Being called gay is a putdown. So is being fat. That is just the way most males think. Lots of cheap shots from both parties but that was predictable and no one took much notice of what those two posted to each other.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #962 on: January 27, 2011, 12:47:06 AM »
Heading out but someone asked about Keith's financial condition ......

Keith was involved as a partner in two very worthwhile start-ups

The first involved Product Placement in top ten TV shows and major motion pictures.

The second was a Hawaii Coffee Company.

And all involved in both those businesses would say that he was damn good at doing what he did in each.

And he was in the process of making big bucks, but like most 'start-ups' the profits were just beginning to materialize and Keith was the kind of person who spread any dollar he ever got among his friends and those more unfortunate than he was and who needed it for more important purposes than Keith presently had.

Keith was receiving great checks but he was never one to save a buck or two. He only carried a heavy wallet for a few brief hours before its contents were in someone else's pockets.

In a word ..... Keith was a very generous guy when he had the money and thankful most of all when he didn't.

And regarding spending his cash in a casino!

I was always there when he gambled and only saw him live the life of a 'whale' (oh-oh! .... but that's just casino talk for "Big Spender at the tables") when he spent time with C.N. and an uncle who was actually was one of the biggest 'whales' of modern day Las Vegas.

Back then Keith's group would fly to LV in a private plane and fill up the entire floor of one of the local casinos and gather in the John Wayne Suite before attacking the downstairs tables.

That group of 'whales' was so important back then that the casino bosses would have meetings before they showed up to ensure that everyone was treated properly and they'd keep one of the craps tables private for their gambling 'pleasure'.

And that's when the $1,000 chips came out in abundance.

And the top restaurant in Las Vegas always had a private table ready for their possible arrival.

And when they did arrive .... everything was compt and since the meals were very fancy and somewhat small, the larger guys were always served on bigger plates with lots of extras.

But Keith (believe it or not) was always satisfied with the regular entree of the House Special - Filet of Sole (Dover Style). Even back then he never ate too much.

And I can't recall a time in LV when the fart machine didn't show up suddenly in the least expected places .... casinos, elevators, bathroom stalls, behind the Mayor's ass, behind a street walker's ass (which made the Mayor fall on his ass in hysterics),  and in fancy show-rooms among many other Las Vegas places.

I failed to read all of Keith's GetBig submissions but I bet he mentioned a lot of this much earlier.

Later whenever I went to a casino with Keith, I'd act as his 'unofficial banker' whose job it was ... was to walk by his position at the craps table about every 20 minutes and remove his winnings from the chip slot and cash them in before he had a chance to lose 'em.

That worked well each and every time but there were a few times when I'd fail to see any 'winnings' so I'd just oontinue on back to the blackjack table from whence I came.

By the end of Keith's session at the table, the Boss would comp dinner or lunch for two, so we always had a decent meal before heading on into the sunset with a bag of winnings which was sometimes empty.

Those were fun times. And even funner when I found his fart machine and hid it for a week or two. I hated that damn thing.

He thought the dog ate it and he hated that dog for eating it.

I was intending to find one of those things and have it buried with him but Keith was cremated so the opportunity never arose.

If I get a chance I hope to squeeze one into that little ceramic jar I should be seeing at his memorial in Hawthorn. I only pray that it won't be a windy day!

Bye, Keith! Thanks for all them good times!

Even most of the arguments were enjoyable from this perspective.

YOu are a great friend Stunt, thank you so much for being there for my dad and helping me and my big family . WE had so much fun. I really hope that you can make it to the service.




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Re: Keith Jones / OnlyMe - The very best contributions
« Reply #963 on: January 27, 2011, 12:59:19 AM »
hello everyone in the getbig world :)  so ive read most of the 2 threads on my dad, and i can say that i now know why he loved this site so much. even the bad. my dad was a amazing man and a even greater daddy.  he is the smartest man i may ever know and i miss him so very much. he always had this light in his eyes and could make anyone smile. ive read some things that he posted that arent so nice.......l all i can say is that was my daddy, perfect or not. but i do hope that is was all for fun. he loved fun and loved to laugh. all of these stories are really helping me and my sister heal. reading his posts helps me remember his voice.

thanks again


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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #964 on: January 27, 2011, 01:14:34 AM »
hello getbig'ers :) i am keiths daughter, i thought i would share something about my dad. i ve read most of the 2 threads that are on the site the good stuff and the bad. i can now see why my dad loved this site so much. so much gossip. :) lots of fun. i would really like to  thank stunt he is a great friend and i am so thankful for him. and to vince thank you for starting these posts for myself and everyone to see and thank you for you help. my dad was a great man and a even greater dad. my dad loved his family and loved his friends. he would bend over backwards for his family and friends. my dad lived a great life, he got to travel all over, meet amazing people and had 4 beauttiful grandkids and i  like to think that he died happy. thinking of the peace that he is about to get. i hope that he knew how special he was to me. he was my bestfriend and i am not sure some days what i am going to do without him. i never thought this day would come so soon. my dad was superman, i mean the HULK. nothing could hurt him.

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Re: Keith Jones / OnlyMe - The very best contributions
« Reply #965 on: January 27, 2011, 01:23:03 AM »
Keith remembers his first workouts in 1973.

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I am just cut and pasting this from another thread I just put it in.  I thought it would be okay here too.

My very first weightlifting mentor was Doc Duran.  He was a trainer at Vince's Gym back in the 50's and early 60's.  He was something else.  Every kid in the neighborhood went to his house where he had a gym (complete with boxing ring) built in his converted garage.  Everyone had a workout book that Doc would look at everyone every night and see what you did in your workout then write your next days workout.  It was really something when I look back at that.  I started training the summer between my freshman and sophmore year in high school.  That was in 1973.
my dad looks so handsome as a young man. :) thanks vince for all these posts

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« Reply #966 on: January 27, 2011, 02:00:37 AM »
Not in a million years could anyone have imagined that Keith's daughter would be posting on Getbig! You are welcome, Jaime. Keith made me laugh, too, and we often had fun together on this board.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #967 on: January 27, 2011, 02:13:37 AM »
Jaime, I have to ask you a question. Did reading those posts about Goodrum make you laugh? If they did then you have a healthy sense of humour and know how much Keith enjoyed fooling around on Getbig. This site can be nasty but it usually is quite amusing. Glad you enjoyed reading the threads. Yup, your Dad was smart. No doubt about that. He sure suffered because of that leg and what a disaster that was for him. You and your sister will remember him better than we will. What a pity he moved to Las Vegas away from his beautiful family. All the best to you. One day I hope to visit Hawaii and when I do I will say hello to you and your lovely family.

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #968 on: January 27, 2011, 03:56:05 AM »
Melvin, we are partly who we associate with and vice versa. Yes, Keith was a spokesperson for the PDI and when that fell on its face Keith had egg on his face. Not his fault. I believe Keith saw clearly what was wrong with bodybuilding so wasn't as supportive of the IFBB as you and others are.

You leaped at the chance to get even with Keith. No doubt about it at all. The main reason he bagged you wasn't because you differed in bodybuilding politics. He was amused then annoyed by your claims about so many things that he dismissed you as a dreamer and bullshit artist. This is a fact and the posts here on Getbig establish that for all time.

You two gave and got plenty from each other so you both deserved what you got. It is sad that what was once amusing ended up being personal and nasty. That is what can be buried with Keith. His view about Vince G CSN MFT does not depend on what he thought of you but what many on Getbig think about you. That will remain long after Keith is gone.



Basile, you are such an idiot that it surprises me that you actually breathe air.  I'm sure if we asked about you here then you wouldn't like the response.   No one here respects you one bit and doesn't care about your incessant whining about how you get no respect up here.

Have you noticed that the only person dragging up Keith's old luggage is you.  I know its a good opportunity to throw some cheap shots at me and other people but honestly, that should be water under the bridge that you simply won't rest because Keith was one of the last people that would listen to your babbling.

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Re: Keith Jones / OnlyMe - The very best contributions
« Reply #969 on: January 27, 2011, 03:58:27 AM »
hello everyone in the getbig world :)  so ive read most of the 2 threads on my dad, and i can say that i now know why he loved this site so much. even the bad. my dad was a amazing man and a even greater daddy.  he is the smartest man i may ever know and i miss him so very much. he always had this light in his eyes and could make anyone smile. ive read some things that he posted that arent so nice.......l all i can say is that was my daddy, perfect or not. but i do hope that is was all for fun. he loved fun and loved to laugh. all of these stories are really helping me and my sister heal. reading his posts helps me remember his voice.

thanks again



I can tell you quite honestly that one thing that was always very clear from Keith's posts was just how much he loved his family, really.
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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #970 on: January 27, 2011, 04:00:44 AM »
Goodrum you really are a complete dickhead. No wonder Keith bagged you all the time. Here you are in Keith's tribute thread trying to get the last word in. No way I am going to let that happen.

This thread is not about me or you. It is about and for Keith. That he laughed at you is a fact. There is no way he would have wanted you to even show your sorry face in a thread announcing his demise. Hope this helps, but I doubt it.

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« Reply #971 on: January 27, 2011, 07:13:59 AM »
Goodrum you really are a complete dickhead. No wonder Keith bagged you all the time. Here you are in Keith's tribute thread trying to get the last word in. No way I am going to let that happen.

This thread is not about me or you. It is about and for Keith. That he laughed at you is a fact. There is no way he would have wanted you to even show your sorry face in a thread announcing his demise. Hope this helps, but I doubt it.

Vince, do us all a favor. Shut the fuck up.


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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #972 on: January 27, 2011, 10:19:56 AM »
Goodrum you really are a complete dickhead. No wonder Keith bagged you all the time. Here you are in Keith's tribute thread trying to get the last word in. No way I am going to let that happen.

This thread is not about me or you. It is about and for Keith. That he laughed at you is a fact. There is no way he would have wanted you to even show your sorry face in a thread announcing his demise. Hope this helps, but I doubt it.



I'm trying NOT TO GET ANY WORDS IN, but you've unfortunately made it about me with your constant posting of what Keith said about me on both threads.  Are you just plain stupid or something.  
 
I honestly hoped that the only thing discussed about Keith was his movie roles, his arm wrestling, and his family and that would have been the right thing to do but instead you drag all of this internet crap up for nothing.  Do you honestly think you're paying your respects by putting this stuff up????


Get your head checked and stop writing about our arguments we had because they are over....done....final... .omega. 
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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #973 on: January 27, 2011, 10:41:56 AM »

I'm trying NOT TO GET ANY WORDS IN, but you've unfortunately made it about me with your constant posting of what Keith said about me on both threads.  Are you just plain stupid or something.  
 
I honestly hoped that the only thing discussed about Keith was his movie roles, his arm wrestling, and his family and that would have been the right thing to do but instead you drag all of this internet crap up for nothing.  Do you honestly think you're paying your respects by putting this stuff up????


Get your head checked and stop writing about our arguments we had because they are over....done....final... .omega. 

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Re: R.I.P. Keith Jones aka Onlyme/Noworries
« Reply #974 on: January 27, 2011, 02:37:49 PM »
good post.

I agree. Goodrum is being decent about the whole thing by not saying anything bad or negative about Keith now that he's not here to defend himself. Basile, on the other hand, is just using the excuse to keep posting mindless crap about his favourite obsession viz. Goodrum ::)

I don't want to say anything else in Onlyme's thread, but Basile, honestly, just give it a rest or post about Onlyme that doesn't involve Goodrum. You don't honour someone by putting down someone else.