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Where is Dennis Kucinich when you need him? :)
Pentagon finally admits it investigates UFOs
By Steven Greenstreet | New York Post
The U.S. Navy is drafting new guidelines for pilots and other employees to report encounters with 'unidentified aircraft.'
The Pentagon has finally uttered the words it always avoided when discussing the possible existence of UFOs — “unidentified aerial phenomena” — and admits that it still investigates reports of them.
In a statement provided exclusively to The Post, a Department of Defense spokesman said a secret government initiative called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena.”
And while the DOD says it shut down the AATIP in 2012, spokesman Christopher Sherwood acknowledged that the department still investigates claimed sightings of alien spacecraft.
“The Department of Defense is always concerned about maintaining positive identification of all aircraft in our operating environment, as well as identifying any foreign capability that may be a threat to the homeland,” Sherwood said.
“The department will continue to investigate, through normal procedures, reports of unidentified aircraft encountered by US military aviators in order to ensure defense of the homeland and protection against strategic surprise by our nation’s adversaries.”
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/09/1862/1048/ciaufos1crop.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
File photo - a 'UFO' sighting over Sheffield, U.K, March 4, 1962 (CIA).
Nick Pope, who secretly investigated UFOs for the British government during the 1990s, called the DOD’s comments a “bombshell revelation.”
Pope, a former UK defense official-turned-author, said, “Previous official statements were ambiguous and left the door open to the possibility that AATIP was simply concerned with next-generation aviation threats from aircraft, missiles and drones — as skeptics claimed.
“This new admission makes it clear that they really did study what the public would call ‘UFOs,’ ” he said.
“It also shows the British influence, because UAP was the term we used in the Ministry of Defence to get away from the pop culture baggage that came with the term ‘UFO.’ ”
John Greenewald Jr. — whose website The Black Vault archives declassified government documents on UFO reports, “Bigfoot” sightings and other subjects — also called the Pentagon’s use of the term “unidentified aerial phenomena” unprecedented in its frankness.
“I’m shocked they said it that way, and the reason is, is they’ve seemingly worked very hard not to say that,” he said.
“So I think that’s a pretty powerful statement because now we have actual evidence — official evidence — that said, ‘Yes, AATIP did deal with UAP cases, phenomena, videos, photos, whatever.'”
Greenewald said he hopes that the Pentagon will release more information about the AATIP, either by voluntary disclosure or through requests under the federal Freedom of Information Act.
“But at least we’re one step closer to the truth,” he said.
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/09/1862/1048/U.S.-Air-Force-B-2-Spirit-stealth-jet-bomber.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
(AP)
The existence of the AATIP was revealed in 2017, along with a 33-second DOD video that shows an airborne object being chased by two Navy jets off the coast of San Diego in 2004.
At the time, former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) took credit for arranging $22 million in annual funding for the AATIP, telling the New York Times that it was “one of the good things I did in my congressional service.”
Reid’s home state of Nevada hosts the top-secret military installation known as “Area 51,” long rumored to be the storehouse for an alien craft that crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.
Reid, through a spokeswoman, declined to comment.
https://www.foxnews.com/science/pentagon-finally-admits-it-investigates-ufos
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Has this been a secret ???
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Of course they investigate if someone says they saw flying vehicles in the sky. Investigating does not mean there really are aliens flying around.
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No.
They claim they don't investigate them anymore after Project Blue Book shut down.
That's their official position.
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Ezekiel 10:9-19
9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone.
10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel.
11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went.
12 And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had.
13 As for the wheels, it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel.
14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.
16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.
17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit of the living creature was in them.
18 Then the glory of the Lord departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims.
19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight: when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above.
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That UFO on camera doesn't look anything like what was described in Ezekiel.
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The US government (and all other world governments) have known for 70 years that this is a genuine phenomena
They've also known for years that these are NOT man made craft
These craft (whatever they are) not only defy the laws of physics as we know them but they can infiltrate our air space at will, including our most sensitive military facilities. There are numerous well documented incidents (i.e. people going on record in public) of these things penetrating nuclear missile sites and disabling missiles.
World governments have engaged in a coordinated embargo on this information for decades for some obvious reasons:
1. No one (especially the number one super power on the planet) wants to admit they they are unable to control their own airspace. There is ZERO benefit in admitting this.
2. If we can capture technology we can use it to our benefit and we certainly don't want to share it with anyone (refer back to #1)
3. These things are not running on petroleum. Our entire world economy is based on petrodollars. Yet again, ZERO benefit to revealing these things are real
4. No telling how the mass of religious and/or weak minded people will deal with this reality. Again, ZERO benefit to reveal this information (for example, there are some people in the US government who think these things are demonic. That's simply how they see the world and this is the only "box" they can find to put these thing into).
The question I have is why has the government decided to allow this trickle if information to come out. This "controlled disclosure" as Richard Dolan calls it started with the story in the NYT in December of 2017 which was largely ignored by most people. The story on May 26, 2019 has also been largely ignored by the majority of the population as well.
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Of course, it's BIG OIL holding us back. ::)
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The US government (and all other world governments) have known for 70 years that this is a genuine phenomena
They've also known for years that these are NOT man made craft
These craft (whatever they are) not only defy the laws of physics as we know them but they can infiltrate our air space at will, including our most sensitive military facilities. There are numerous well documented incidents (i.e. people going on record in public) of these things penetrating nuclear missile sites and disabling missiles.
World governments have engaged in a coordinated embargo on this information for decades for some obvious reasons:
1. No one (especially the number one super power on the planet) wants to admit they they are unable to control their own airspace. There is ZERO benefit in admitting this.
2. If we can capture technology we can use it to our benefit and we certainly don't want to share it with anyone (refer back to #1)
3. These things are not running on petroleum. Our entire world economy is based on petrodollars. Yet again, ZERO benefit to revealing these things are real
4. No telling how the mass of religious and/or weak minded people will deal with this reality. Again, ZERO benefit to reveal this information (for example, there are some people in the US government who think these things are demonic. That's simply how they see the world and this is the only "box" they can find to put these thing into).
The question I have is why has the government decided to allow this trickle if information to come out. This "controlled disclosure" as Richard Dolan calls it started with the story in the NYT in December of 2017 which was largely ignored by most people. The story on May 26, 2019 has also been largely ignored by the majority of the population as well.
This is nonsense. If there were such things, and they saw what a fucked up country we are for the last 15+ years they would have seen us as easy pickings, and just taken us out already. There are no little green men with pilot's licenses.
Sorry to disappoint you. Go watch Independence Day again, and your day will be better.
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Of course, it's BIG OIL holding us back. ::)
what's the value of petroleum after full disclosure?
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This is nonsense. If there were such things, and they saw what a fucked up country we are for the last 15+ years they would have seen us as easy pickings, and just taken us out already. There are no little green men with pilot's licenses.
Sorry to disappoint you. Go watch Independence Day again, and your day will be better.
Everything in my post is a fact
Not my problem if you can't handle the truth (refer to item #4 in my post)
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what's the value of petroleum after full disclosure?
You libs love BIG BUSINESS conspiracy theories.
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You libs love BIG BUSINESS conspiracy theories.
you right wingers love to avoid answering questions
the almost certain fact that these things aren't fueled by petroleum is only one of the reasons why the US has had an embargo on information concerning this topic.
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Jacques F. Vallée, Ph.D., (September 24, 1939) is a French-born venture capitalist, computer scientist, ufologist and former astronomer, currently residing in San Francisco, United States.
Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.
Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée cannot say who or what is behind this scheme, only that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of psychotronic technology.
It is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFO's is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e#Interpretation_of_the_UFO_evidence
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Jacques F. Vallée, Ph.D., (September 24, 1939) is a French-born venture capitalist, computer scientist, ufologist and former astronomer, currently residing in San Francisco, United States.
Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.
Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée cannot say who or what is behind this scheme, only that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of psychotronic technology.
It is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFO's is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.
Not sure if this is actually Vallée claim or direct quote (since you didn't bother to provide a link) but the claim that the government (US and other nations) have not engaged in a cover up is directly contrary to witness testimony.
BTW - I have the utmost respect for Vallée and I read most of his books many years ago.
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Not sure if this is actually Vallée claim or direct quote (since you didn't bother to provide a link) but the claim that the government (US and other nations) have not engaged in a cover up is directly contrary to witness testimony.
BTW - I have the utmost respect for Vallée and I read most of his books many years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e#Interpretation_of_the_UFO_evidence
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e#Interpretation_of_the_UFO_evidence
Wiki is not a great source (to say the least)
Whatever anonymous person created that text on the Wiki page referenced a section of Vallee's book from 1991 (28 years ago). I probably have that book in my house somewhere so maybe I'll go look for it.
Either way, there is no doubt at all in my mind that all the world governments are involved in covering up this information
We are all entitled to our own opinions
I'm basing mine on numerous eyewitnesses who have said that the government told them not to speak of their encounters and in some cases confiscated material from them (videos, photos, radar data, flight data recorders, etc...)
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Wiki is not a great source (to say the least)
Whatever anonymous person created that text on the Wiki page referenced a section of Vallee's book from 1991 (28 years ago). I probably have that book in my house somewhere so maybe I'll go look for it.
Either way, there is no doubt at all in my mind that all the world governments are involved in covering up this information
We are all entitled to our own opinions
I'm basing mine on numerous eyewitnesses who have said that the government told them not to speak of their encounters and in some cases confiscated material from them (videos, photos, radar data, flight data recorders, etc...)
My post wasn't directed at you, or in response to your post, or to debate whether governments conceal alien evidence. I have no idea either way. I simply posted something that I had read and found interesting regarding this subject.
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My post wasn't directed at you, or in response to your post, or to debate whether governments conceal alien evidence. I have no idea either way. I simply posted something that I had read and found interesting regarding this subject.
If you're truly interested in the subject you should read Vallee's books and also check out Richard Dolan's books and his youtube page.
link to Dolanns YouTube page:
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The US government (and all other world governments) have known for 70 years that this is a genuine phenomena How do you know this for a fact?
They've also known for years that these are NOT man made craft how do you know this for a fact?
These craft (whatever they are) not only defy the laws of physics as we know them but they can infiltrate our air space at will, including our most sensitive military facilities. There are numerous well documented incidents (i.e. people going on record in public) of these things penetrating nuclear missile sites and disabling missiles.
World governments have engaged in a coordinated embargo on this information for decades for some obvious reasons:
1. No one (especially the number one super power on the planet) wants to admit they they are unable to control their own airspace. There is ZERO benefit in admitting this.
2. If we can capture technology we can use it to our benefit and we certainly don't want to share it with anyone (refer back to #1)
3. These things are not running on petroleum. Our entire world economy is based on petrodollars. Yet again, ZERO benefit to revealing these things are real how do you know this for a fact?
4. No telling how the mass of religious and/or weak minded people will deal with this reality. Again, ZERO benefit to reveal this information (for example, there are some people in the US government who think these things are demonic. That's simply how they see the world and this is the only "box" they can find to put these thing into).
The question I have is why has the government decided to allow this trickle if information to come out. This "controlled disclosure" as Richard Dolan calls it started with the story in the NYT in December of 2017 which was largely ignored by most people. The story on May 26, 2019 has also been largely ignored by the majority of the population as well.
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If you're truly interested in the subject you should read Vallee's books and also check out Richard Dolan's books and his youtube page.
link to Dolanns YouTube page:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D514j_QWAAAe9au.jpg)
Not sure that I'm interested in this subject as much as you are, but I might check out the above anyway. Thanks!
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The US government (and all other world governments) have known for 70 years that this is a genuine phenomena How do you know this for a fact?
They've also known for years that these are NOT man made craft how do you know this for a fact?
These craft (whatever they are) not only defy the laws of physics as we know them but they can infiltrate our air space at will, including our most sensitive military facilities. There are numerous well documented incidents (i.e. people going on record in public) of these things penetrating nuclear missile sites and disabling missiles.
World governments have engaged in a coordinated embargo on this information for decades for some obvious reasons:
1. No one (especially the number one super power on the planet) wants to admit they they are unable to control their own airspace. There is ZERO benefit in admitting this.
2. If we can capture technology we can use it to our benefit and we certainly don't want to share it with anyone (refer back to #1)
3. These things are not running on petroleum. Our entire world economy is based on petrodollars. Yet again, ZERO benefit to revealing these things are real how do you know this for a fact?
4. No telling how the mass of religious and/or weak minded people will deal with this reality. Again, ZERO benefit to reveal this information (for example, there are some people in the US government who think these things are demonic. That's simply how they see the world and this is the only "box" they can find to put these thing into).
The question I have is why has the government decided to allow this trickle if information to come out. This "controlled disclosure" as Richard Dolan calls it started with the story in the NYT in December of 2017 which was largely ignored by most people. The story on May 26, 2019 has also been largely ignored by the majority of the population as well.
LOL...are you suggesting we've finally found Straw Man's religion? :D
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Nice corrections.
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LOL...are you suggesting we've finally found Straw Man's religion? :D
I was thinking the same thing. The same people who are adamant God doesn't exist do believe in aliens.
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Most people would define the beginning of the cover up with Roswell in 1947 (though may have even started sooner) which is 72 years
The flight characteristics can easily lead one to conclude they are not burning petroleum.
There is also a lot of insider testimony that these things manipulate gravity and are not internal combustion engines (google Bob Lazar for more info)
Also, if you read the NYT article from 5/26/2019 you'll find the following statements
“We have helicopters that can hover,” Lieutenant Graves said. “We have aircraft that can fly at 30,000 feet and right at the surface.” But “combine all that in one vehicle of some type with no jet engine, no exhaust plume.”
“These things would be out there all day,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years, and who reported his sightings to the Pentagon and Congress. “Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”
If you look at the data it's a fairly safe assumption that these things aren't burning petroleum.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html
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LOL...are you suggesting we've finally found Straw Man's religion? :D
hardly
that's just the only way a religious person such as yourself is able to frame this topic and then of course you project that structure on to me
That's actually one of the other problems with disclosure. Specifically peoples need to try to put anything they don't understand into some kind of religious format.
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hardly
that's just the only way a religious person such as yourself is able to frame this topic and then of course you project that structure on to me
That's actually one of the other problems with disclosure. Specifically peoples need to try to put anything they don't understand into some kind of religious format.
LOL...I'm not the one questioning your ET faith. Talk to Agnostic. And all that material you eagerly encouraged me to read/watch is your attempt to evangelize me. :D
BTW, I watched the video you suggested. Very interesting, in a Science Fiction kinda way. The guy said he believes all humans have psychic abilities. :-X
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I was thinking the same thing. The same people who are adamant God doesn't exist do believe in aliens.
Right? Weird.
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Navy pilots spotted UFOs flying at hypersonic speeds: report
By Tamar Lapin May 27, 2019
Some US Navy pilots reported spotting UFOs while training over the East Coast in 2014 and 2015, they said in a recent New York Times report.
The pilots told the paper they saw “strange objects” with “no visible engine or infrared exhaust plumes” reaching at least 30,000 feet and flying at hypersonic speeds almost daily while training off the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt.
“These things would be out there all day,” said Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been with the Navy for 10 years and who said he reported the sightings to the Pentagon and Congress.
“Keeping an aircraft in the air requires a significant amount of energy. With the speeds we observed, 12 hours in the air is 11 hours longer than we’d expect.”
The unidentified flying objects were seen performing maneuvers that were “beyond the physical limits of a human crew,” like stopping rapidly, turning instantly or immediately accelerating at hypersonic speeds, the pilots said.
The sightings were reported to the Pentagon’s shadowy Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which, as The Post exclusively reported earlier this month, confirmed it still investigates claimed sightings of alien spacecraft.
In late 2014, a Super Hornet pilot said he almost hit one of the objects — which he said looked like a sphere encasing a cube — and an official mishap report was filed.
Another pilot, Lt. Danny Accoin, said he could identify a flying object on his radar, missile system and infrared camera but couldn’t actually see it in his helmet camera.
“I knew I had it, I knew it was not a false hit,” Accoin said. But still, “I could not pick it up visually.”
A minute-long video included in the article appears to show two encounters with the enigmatic phenomena. In one of the clips, pilots appear confused by what they’re seeing on their radar screens.
“Look at that thing. It’s rotating,” one of them said.
At first the pilots interviewed in the report thought the objects were part of a top-secret drone program.
But after the near-collision, they changed their minds, reasoning that government officials knew there were fighter pilots in the area and would not send drones to get in the way.
Navy spokesman Joseph Gradisher said it’s unclear what caused the sightings detailed in the article. The Times report comes after the Navy in April sent out a new classified guidance for how to report the “unexplained aerial phenomena.”
“There were a number of different reports,” Gradisher said. Some cases could have been commercial drones, he added.
But in other cases, “we don’t know who’s doing this, we don’t have enough data to track this. So the intent of the message to the fleet is to provide updated guidance on reporting procedures for suspected intrusions into our airspace.”
Neither Graves or the other pilots nor the Department of Defense would speculate on what the objects were.
“We’re here to do a job, with excellence, not make up myths,” one pilot said.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/27/navy-pilots-spotted-ufos-flying-at-hypersonic-speeds-report/
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LOL...I'm not the one questioning your ET faith. Talk to Agnostic. And all that material you eagerly encouraged me to read/watch is your attempt to evangelize me. :D
BTW, I watched the video you suggested. Very interesting, in a Science Fiction kinda way. The guy said he believes all humans have psychic abilities. :-X
I have no "ET Faith"
that's solely your creation which for some reason you feel like projecting onto me
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Right? Weird.
even weirder that you fundie types feel compelled to frame anything you don't understand as "religion"
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I didn't realize so many people were in the dark about this UFO stuff. I thought this was all common knowledge by this point in time.
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How come many more photos aren't taken of UFO's since the dawn of smart phones?
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I have no "ET Faith"
that's solely your creation which for some reason you feel like projecting onto me
Do you believe in psychics?
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In the first hyper link of the posted article it takes you to the original report. In it, it says these "sightings" only started happening after the jets radar was upgraded. Jets prior to the upgrade did not have encounters. It also says the pilot says he should have been able to see the UFO in his helmet camera but he could not.
"Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said the possibility of an extraterrestrial cause “is so unlikely that it competes with many other low-probability but more mundane explanations.” He added that “there are so many other possibilities — bugs in the code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections, neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight.”
Now I'm no rocket scientist but I think the answer here is pretty obvious
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In the first hyper link of the posted article it takes you to the original report. In it, it says these "sightings" only started happening after the jets radar was upgraded. Jets prior to the upgrade did not have encounters. It also says the pilot says he should have been able to see the UFO in his helmet camera but he could not.
"Leon Golub, a senior astrophysicist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said the possibility of an extraterrestrial cause “is so unlikely that it competes with many other low-probability but more mundane explanations.” He added that “there are so many other possibilities — bugs in the code for the imaging and display systems, atmospheric effects and reflections, neurological overload from multiple inputs during high-speed flight.”
Now I'm no rocket scientist but I think the answer here is pretty obvious
cool
tell us the "obvious" answer
I hope it includes explaining the visual sightings that also occurred
BTW - pretty funny that an astrophysicist is suddenly an expert in software and also apparently neurology.
I wasn't aware that astrophysics extended to those totally unrelated areas
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From Fox News - short interview with Christoper Mellon,former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
https://www.foxnews.com/science/christopher-mellon-official-ufo-sightings-real?fbclid=IwAR2JO8oubDs1K8MylK6VWWVH2WEw9xvEh1umV9Sh3SUBhqMtSdfHGnys5P4
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Commentary by Richard Dolan on the NYT article and the short video documentary on the USS Nimitz incident
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How come many more photos aren't taken of UFO's since the dawn of smart phones?
For the same reason we don't see pictures of Big Foot.
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How come many more photos aren't taken of UFO's since the dawn of smart phones?
An even better question is why are you unaware of the abundance of pictures and videos taken since the "dawn of smart phones" and well before that as well
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An even better question is why are you unaware of the abundance of pictures and videos taken since the "dawn of smart phones" and well before that as well
Most proven hoaxes. The ones that aren't proven probably are as well.
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An even better question is why are you unaware of the abundance of pictures and videos taken since the "dawn of smart phones" and well before that as well
Do you believe in psychics?
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If we’re to believe that the Earth is Less Than a Grain of Sand on all the beaches & Desserts in the World
It Kinda very unlikely We are the only grain of sand with Life on it.
That’s a very mind bogglingly large concept to take on board - That we are so utterly small in such
A Vast Expanse.
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Do you believe in psychics?
never looked at it
if it's something you care about then why you start a thread about it and stop asking me about it in this thread
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Most proven hoaxes. The ones that aren't proven probably are as well.
LOL - I like how you first said they don't exist and now you say they are all proven hoaxes
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never looked at it
if it's something you care about then why you start a thread about it and stop asking me about it in this thread
Really? Never? The author of the ET faith materials your recommended believes in psychics. How do you pick and choose what's fact from fiction in these materials?
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Really? Never? The author of the ET faith materials your recommended believes in psychics. How do you pick and choose what's fact from fiction in these materials?
I have no idea what "ET faith materials" you're referring to.
Which author are you referring to? Dolan? If so then perhaps you're referring to remote viewing which has a lot of data to back it up though I haven't spent much time looking at it in depth. If the subject interests you then why don't you start a thread about it. I'm sure you'll have a coherent argument in support of your position and I look forward to reading it.
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How come many more photos aren't taken of UFO's since the dawn of smart phones?
Uh, tons of pics and videos of UFO's have been taken with smart phones.
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Uh, tons of pics and videos of UFO's have been taken with smart phones.
Um, no.
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I have no idea what "ET faith materials" you're referring to.
Which author are you referring to? Dolan? If so then perhaps you're referring to remote viewing which has a lot of data to back it up though I haven't spent much time looking at it in depth. If the subject interests you then why don't you start a thread about it. I'm sure you'll have a coherent argument in support of your position and I look forward to reading it.
Really? It's right there, in the video you posted and encouraged me to watch. Stop playing dumb and admit to your ET faith.
If you're truly interested in the subject you should read Vallee's books and also check out Richard Dolan's books and his youtube page.
link to Dolanns YouTube page:
At 18:16
"I personally am very persuaded that every single human being has some level of psychic ability"
For a very long time you keep calling Christians "fundies", which I assume is a derogatory term directed at those you consider inferior or mentally ill, by your own words, just because of their faith.
Now we all know that all this time you've just been projecting, as you are just as much if not more of a fundie and religious nut as you claim others are.
You remind me of The Luke, the "atheist" who for a while debated me on the Religion board regarding the Shroud of Turin, only to be later exposed by chaos as a believer in Bigfoot. Then his argument shifted from disproving religion to defending his belief in Bigfoot.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193222.msg4321884#msg4321884
Pathetic.
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Very true. A conundrum he has put himself in.
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Straw Man will probably not return to this thread. He won't recover.
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Um, no.
ok
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Really? It's right there, in the video you posted and encouraged me to watch. Stop playing dumb and admit to your ET faith.
At 18:16
"I personally am very persuaded that every single human being has some level of psychic ability"
For a very long time you keep calling Christians "fundies", which I assume is a derogatory term directed at those you consider inferior or mentally ill, by your own words, just because of their faith.
Now we all know that all this time you've just been projecting, as you are just as much if not more of a fundie and religious nut as you claim others are.
You remind me of The Luke, the "atheist" who for a while debated me on the Religion board regarding the Shroud of Turin, only to be later exposed by chaos as a believer in Bigfoot. Then his argument shifted from disproving religion to defending his belief in Bigfoot.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193222.msg4321884#msg4321884
Pathetic.
LOL - so what
He's entitled to his opinion just like anyone else
I noticed you didn't bother to explain why you don't agree or much less offer any proof for your opinion
Not sure why you insist on foisting your "faith" nonsense onto me but I guess that just comes with being a fundie
I guess anything you idiots can't explain or don't understand must automatically be crammed into a "religion" box
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LOL - so what
He's entitled to his opinion just like anyone else
I noticed you didn't bother to explain why you don't agree or much less offer any proof for your opinion
Not sure why you insist on foisting your "faith" nonsense onto me but I guess that just comes with being a fundie
I guess anything you idiots can't explain or don't understand must automatically be crammed into a "religion" box
Every self proclaimed psychic that was silly enough or delusional enough to submit to controlled tests fared no better than what would be expected from guessing. That's why I don't believe in it.
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If we’re to believe that the Earth is Less Than a Grain of Sand on all the beaches & Desserts in the World
It Kinda very unlikely We are the only grain of sand with Life on it.
That’s a very mind bogglingly large concept to take on board - That we are so utterly small in such
A Vast Expanse.
Just my opinion based on nothing but probability and I could be wrong but I don't believe we are the only living things in the universe. I can't really bring myself to believe we have been visited yet. But I could be wrong
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LOL - so what
He's entitled to his opinion just like anyone else
I noticed you didn't bother to explain why you don't agree or much less offer any proof for your opinion
Not sure why you insist on foisting your "faith" nonsense onto me but I guess that just comes with being a fundie
I guess anything you idiots can't explain or don't understand must automatically be crammed into a "religion" box
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Every self proclaimed psychic that was silly enough or delusional enough to submit to controlled tests fared no better than what would be expected from guessing. That's why I don't believe in it.
do some research on remote viewing and you'll see it has very well documented results that are not a matter of chance
google remote viewing, russell targ, standford research institute for more info
as you may (or may not) know - the government (CIA and military) has invested in this research
I always find it interesting that people insist on denying things that they can't understand or explain. Often the most vociferous deniers have also done ZERO RESEARCH on the subject they are denying and often attempt to use ridicule to support their belief (I'm not saying you're doing this but it's pretty obvious that others on this board are)
Pretty funny that the people who believe in a second century idealogy based on the premise of a talking snake, virgin birth, and having a "personal relationship" with a 2000 year old Jewish Zombie choose to ridicule things that are supported by objective evidence in the 21st century
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do some research on remote viewing and you'll see it has very well documented results that are not a matter of chance
google remote viewing, russell targ, standford research institute for more info
as you may (or may not) know - the government (CIA and military) has invested in this research
I always find it interesting that people insist on denying things that they can't understand or explain. Often the most vociferous deniers have also done ZERO RESEARCH on the subject they are denying and often attempt to use ridicule to support their belief (I'm not saying you're doing this but it's pretty obvious that others on this board are)
Pretty funny that the people who believe in a second century idealogy based on the premise of a talking snake, virgin birth, and having a "personal relationship" with a 2000 year old Jewish Zombie choose to ridicule things that are supported by objective evidence in the 21st century
:-X
From this explanation, it is obvious that remote viewing is related to so-called psi (also known as "psychic" or "parapsychological") phenomena such as clairvoyance or telepathy.
https://www.irva.org/remote-viewing/definition.html
Remote viewing experiments have historically been criticized for lack of proper controls and repeatability. There is no scientific evidence that remote viewing exists, and the topic of remote viewing is generally regarded as pseudoscience.
Alcock, James. (1981). Parapsychology-Science Or Magic?: A Psychological Perspective. Pergamon Press. pp. 164-179. ISBN 978-0080257730
Gilovich, Thomas (1993). How We Know What Isn't So: Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life. Free Press. pp. 166-173. ISBN 978-0-02-911706-4
Marks, David; Kammann, Richard. (2000). The Psychology of the Psychic. Prometheus Books. ISBN 1-57392-798-8
Wiseman, R; Milton, J (1999). "Experiment One of the SAIC Remote Viewing Program: A critical reevaluation" (PDF). Journal of Parapsychology. 62 (4): 297–308. Retrieved 2008-06-26.
Gardner, Martin (2000). Did Adam and Eve Have Navels?: Debunking Pseudoscience. New York: W.W. Norton. pp. 60–67. ISBN 978-0-393-32238-5.
Hines, Terence (2003). Pseudoscience and the Paranormal. Prometheus Books. p. 136. ISBN 1-57392-979-4.
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do some research on remote viewing and you'll see it has very well documented results that are not a matter of chance
google remote viewing, russell targ, standford research institute for more info
as you may (or may not) know - the government (CIA and military) has invested in this research
I always find it interesting that people insist on denying things that they can't understand or explain. Often the most vociferous deniers have also done ZERO RESEARCH on the subject they are denying and often attempt to use ridicule to support their belief (I'm not saying you're doing this but it's pretty obvious that others on this board are)
Pretty funny that the people who believe in a second century idealogy based on the premise of a talking snake, virgin birth, and having a "personal relationship" with a 2000 year old Jewish Zombie choose to ridicule things that are supported by objective evidence in the 21st century
I have researched it in the past. In the 60's and 70's the government researched pyschic abilities including remote viewing and after concluding it was bogus, shut down the program. Has it been reinstated?
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do some research on remote viewing and you'll see it has very well documented results that are not a matter of chance
google remote viewing, russell targ, standford research institute for more info
as you may (or may not) know - the government (CIA and military) has invested in this research
I always find it interesting that people insist on denying things that they can't understand or explain. Often the most vociferous deniers have also done ZERO RESEARCH on the subject they are denying and often attempt to use ridicule to support their belief (I'm not saying you're doing this but it's pretty obvious that others on this board are)
Pretty funny that the people who believe in a second century idealogy based on the premise of a talking snake, virgin birth, and having a "personal relationship" with a 2000 year old Jewish Zombie choose to ridicule things that are supported by objective evidence in the 21st century
All remote viewers believe in an afterlife. Look it up.
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I have researched it in the past. In the 60's and 70's the government researched pyschic abilities including remote viewing and after concluding it was bogus, shut down the program. Has it been reinstated?
That's the story they give. Remote viewing is still being used by the military right down to the infantry squad level.
https://warisboring.com/the-u-s-military-still-wants-psychic-marines-and-weve-got-the-manual/
Remote influencing is the BIG SECRET now being done at top secret levels.
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Stargate Project was the 1991 code name for a secret U.S. Army unit established in 1978 at Fort Meade, Maryland, by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and SRI International (a California contractor) to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications. The Project, and its precursors and sister projects, originally went by various code names—GONDOLA WISH, GRILL FLAME, CENTER LANE, SUN STREAK, SCANATE—until 1991 when they were consolidated and rechristened as "Stargate Project".
Stargate Project work primarily involved remote viewing, the purported ability to psychically "see" events, sites, or information from a great distance.[1] The project was overseen until 1987 by Lt. Frederick Holmes "Skip" Atwater, an aide and "psychic headhunter" to Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, and later president of the Monroe Institute.[2] The unit was small-scale, comprising about 15 to 20 individuals, and was run out of "an old, leaky wooden barracks".[3]
The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so they would fit background cues.[4] The program was featured in the 2004 book and 2009 film, both titled The Men Who Stare at Goats,[5][6][7][8] although neither mentions it by name.
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Stargate Project was the 1991 code name for a secret U.S. Army unit established in 1978 at Fort Meade, Maryland, by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and SRI International (a California contractor) to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications. The Project, and its precursors and sister projects, originally went by various code names—GONDOLA WISH, GRILL FLAME, CENTER LANE, SUN STREAK, SCANATE—until 1991 when they were consolidated and rechristened as "Stargate Project".
Stargate Project work primarily involved remote viewing, the purported ability to psychically "see" events, sites, or information from a great distance.[1] The project was overseen until 1987 by Lt. Frederick Holmes "Skip" Atwater, an aide and "psychic headhunter" to Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, and later president of the Monroe Institute.[2] The unit was small-scale, comprising about 15 to 20 individuals, and was run out of "an old, leaky wooden barracks".[3]
The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so they would fit background cues.[4] The program was featured in the 2004 book and 2009 film, both titled The Men Who Stare at Goats,[5][6][7][8] although neither mentions it by name.
Yes, I know the whole story. I actually met Ingo Swann 25 years ago.
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do some research on remote viewing and you'll see it has very well documented results that are not a matter of chance I think you haven't
google remote viewing, russell targ, standford research institute for more info I did. They don't agree with you
as you may (or may not) know - the government (CIA and military) has invested in this research As you may not know, they dropped it after concluding it was of no use
I always find it interesting that people insist on denying things that they can't understand or explain. Often the most vociferous deniers have also done ZERO RESEARCH on the subject they are denying and often attempt to use ridicule to support their belief (I'm not saying you're doing this but it's pretty obvious that others on this board are)
Pretty funny that the people who believe in a second century idealogy based on the premise of a talking snake, virgin birth, and having a "personal relationship" with a 2000 year old Jewish Zombie choose to ridicule things that are supported by objective evidence in the 21st century
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Stargate Project was the 1991 code name for a secret U.S. Army unit established in 1978 at Fort Meade, Maryland, by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and SRI International (a California contractor) to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications. The Project, and its precursors and sister projects, originally went by various code names—GONDOLA WISH, GRILL FLAME, CENTER LANE, SUN STREAK, SCANATE—until 1991 when they were consolidated and rechristened as "Stargate Project".
Stargate Project work primarily involved remote viewing, the purported ability to psychically "see" events, sites, or information from a great distance.[1] The project was overseen until 1987 by Lt. Frederick Holmes "Skip" Atwater, an aide and "psychic headhunter" to Maj. Gen. Albert Stubblebine, and later president of the Monroe Institute.[2] The unit was small-scale, comprising about 15 to 20 individuals, and was run out of "an old, leaky wooden barracks".[3]
The Stargate Project was terminated and declassified in 1995 after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation. Information provided by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data, and there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so they would fit background cues.[4] The program was featured in the 2004 book and 2009 film, both titled The Men Who Stare at Goats,[5][6][7][8] although neither mentions it by name.
That’s interesting to know.
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The History Channel just started a new show on Friday, May 31st specifically about this very subject.
It is called Unidentified: Inside America's UFO Investigation.
https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation (https://www.history.com/shows/unidentified-inside-americas-ufo-investigation)
It's a one hour program that follows a team with Tom DeLonge of Blink-182 and Luis “Lue” Elizondo, who ran the U.S. government’s $22 million secret UFO program. It was known as The Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program or AATIP.
You can watch the first episode of this show on OnDemand and new episodes will air on Fridays at 10:00P.M. EST right after episodes of Ancient Aliens at 9:00P.M. EST. Ancient Aliens just started their new season on Friday, May 31st as well.
I watched the premiere episode on Friday and it was pretty good.
They are going around and interviewing military and government people who have experienced UFO sightings or had to deal with the subject due to their specific government jobs.
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All remote viewers believe in an afterlife. Look it up.
who cares
most people believe in an "afterlife" of some kind or reincarnation....even some atheists
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Russell Targ talking about the remote viewing program he ran at the Stanford Research Institute
with his results published in peer reviewed journals.
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Commander David Fravor talking about the so called "Tic Tac" UFO
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Russell Targ talking about the remote viewing program he ran at the Stanford Research Institute
with his results published in peer reviewed journals.
What do you know, me and Straw Man actually agree on something. :D
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Plenty of peers calling his work pseudoscience... who to believe,, who to believe....
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2019/01/2135-hal-puthoff.html
"When psychologists attempted to replicate Targ and Puthoff’s remote viewing experiments (they seem to have invented the term by the way, which is really just a fancy name for “clairvoyance” or “telepathy”), they were unsurprisingly unable to do so. Accordingly, they investigated the procedure of the original experiments to see whether they could explain the discrepancy, and thus discovered that the notes given to the judges in Targ and Puthoff’s experiments contained clues as to which order they were carried out, such as referring to yesterday’s two targets, or they had the date of the session written at the top of the page. They concluded that these clues were the reason for the experiment’s high hit rate (this was not the only problem with the “research”)."
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Plenty of peers calling his work pseudoscience... who to believe,, who to believe....
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2019/01/2135-hal-puthoff.html
"When psychologists attempted to replicate Targ and Puthoff’s remote viewing experiments (they seem to have invented the term by the way, which is really just a fancy name for “clairvoyance” or “telepathy”), they were unsurprisingly unable to do so. Accordingly, they investigated the procedure of the original experiments to see whether they could explain the discrepancy, and thus discovered that the notes given to the judges in Targ and Puthoff’s experiments contained clues as to which order they were carried out, such as referring to yesterday’s two targets, or they had the date of the session written at the top of the page. They concluded that these clues were the reason for the experiment’s high hit rate (this was not the only problem with the “research”)."
how would knowing that information effect or discredit the results that the "viewer" got the day before?
can you clarify that?
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how would knowing that information effect or discredit the results that the "viewer" got the day before?
can you clarify that?
What I can clarify is this. There have been discrepancies with the way this was done. And EVERY SINGLE psychic test done under scientific controls has failed. Every single one. Now psychic abilities may be something that is valid, just like the belief in the biblical god might be valid, but you'll have to excuse me if I stand on the side of the available evidence doesn't point to that in a way that I could believe it.
And if you click on the hyperlink provided in that article, it leads you to other issues.
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The truth is out there: FBI releases its file on Bigfoot
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/Va5FUdEh1Qb1oMDzH4g3cA--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3c9NjQwO3E9NzU7c209MQ--/https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5cf82732210000690de6a827.jpeg)
The Federal Bureau of Investigation on Wednesday released a correspondence file containing the results of tests it performed on a tissue sample alleged to be from Bigfoot, also known as Sasquatch — a purported human-like creature that was sporadically reported to be roaming the wilderness in the Pacific Northwest.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-releases-its-file-on-bigfoot-204159796.html
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=651265.0;attach=769522;image)
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What I can clarify is this. There have been discrepancies with the way this was done. And EVERY SINGLE psychic test done under scientific controls has failed. Every single one. Now psychic abilities may be something that is valid, just like the belief in the biblical god might be valid, but you'll have to excuse me if I stand on the side of the available evidence doesn't point to that in a way that I could believe it.
And if you click on the hyperlink provided in that article, it leads you to other issues.
Psychic ability = Con Artist
All we need to Know.
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What I can clarify is this. There have been discrepancies with the way this was done. And EVERY SINGLE psychic test done under scientific controls has failed. Every single one. Now psychic abilities may be something that is valid, just like the belief in the biblical god might be valid, but you'll have to excuse me if I stand on the side of the available evidence doesn't point to that in a way that I could believe it.
And if you click on the hyperlink provided in that article, it leads you to other issues.
I don't know that the authors from this skeptic website are his peers and I don't see how their claim casts doubt on their findings. Seems like you're not sure either
Around 4:39 in the video I posted he lists all the scientific (presumably peer reviewed) journals where they published their findings. If you want to dig those up see if there are any rebuttals feel free.
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Plenty of peers calling his work pseudoscience... who to believe,, who to believe....
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2019/01/2135-hal-puthoff.html
"When psychologists attempted to replicate Targ and Puthoff’s remote viewing experiments (they seem to have invented the term by the way, which is really just a fancy name for “clairvoyance” or “telepathy”), they were unsurprisingly unable to do so. Accordingly, they investigated the procedure of the original experiments to see whether they could explain the discrepancy, and thus discovered that the notes given to the judges in Targ and Puthoff’s experiments contained clues as to which order they were carried out, such as referring to yesterday’s two targets, or they had the date of the session written at the top of the page. They concluded that these clues were the reason for the experiment’s high hit rate (this was not the only problem with the “research”)."
Actually Ingo Swann is credited with the term although L.Ron Hubbard used the term in his 1954 Phoenix Lectures. The fact that they don't even know where the term comes from tells you a lot.
There have been literally thousands of experiments done to the point where those who know don't even bother wasting their time with these debunkers calling themselves skeptics. Here is a timeline of remote viewing and how it was connected to the CIA and L.Ron Hubbard:
https://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/scientology_remote_viewing
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Actually Ingo Swann is credited with the term although L.Ron Hubbard used the term in his 1954 Phoenix Lectures. The fact that they don't even know where the term comes from tells you a lot.
There have been literally thousands of experiments done to the point where those who know don't even bother wasting their time with these debunkers calling themselves skeptics. Here is a timeline of remote viewing and how it was connected to the CIA and L.Ron Hubbard:
https://www.wanttoknow.info/mind_control/scientology_remote_viewing
Oh....kaaay..... ::)
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Oh....kaaay..... ::)
Are you disputing the facts in that timeline?
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Are you disputing the facts in that timeline?
Nah, Im simply stating you are off in la la land with your psychic belief. No offense intended.
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I tend to agree and remember seeing something on that Miss Chloe got convicted for fraud over her infamous
"psychic hot line".
I'm as scientific as they come and tend to be skeptical.
BUT, I think Straw is referring to phenomenon with some actual data/evidence.
The remote viewing was a real program backed by the CIA with some interesting data.
Having said that, most of psychic claims of talking to dead people appear to be bullshit.
Taking money from grieving people in some con is disgusting.
I read a great book, by James Randi called "Flim Flam" on this issue.
For me , it's pretty simple. I look up at night sky and view the array of stars and THIS is why
I believe in "GOD". I am humbled by the vastness of the universe and know we humans didn't make it.
For me , it's pretty simple. I look up at night sky and view the array of stars and THIS is why
I believe in "GOD". I am humbled by the vastness of the universe and know we humans didn't make it.
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That’s the same for Me - Only I look up and Know No god made it or Exists.
We have the same view point just different conclusions.
WTF did make it all & us Fcuk Knows.!!
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Is it too much to ask, in the age of smart phones with video that we get a high res pic of one?
Couldn't those navy pilots have taken some pics since they saw them daily?
I believe it, I just want some dam proof in good pics!!!!
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Is it too much to ask, in the age of smart phones with video that we get a high res pic of one?
Couldn't those navy pilots have taken some pics since they saw them daily?
I believe it, I just want some dam proof in good pics!!!!
UFO’s are Like God & Religion You’ve Got To Believe & Have Faith - No Proof Required
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I see you spotted my 4th ex wife on the beach? :D
Your 4th ex wife would be Big Mike Cox Approved.
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Serious question, have any of you naysayers done research on your own or are you waiting for the main stream media to turn their attention away from Trump to bring you breaking news about UFO's?
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The reason stars twinkle is because the atmosphere refracts the light.
This is the basic reason the sky is blue during most of the day and orange/red at dusk or dawn.
One of the biggest "common sense" myths is thinking the sky is blue because it refracts off the oceans . WRONG!
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html
A distant light image waves travel thru a lot of atmosphere before it is seen.
This is why it will lose resolution and appear "fuzzy".
Of course, but not as grainy as whats submitted. I am not expecting 600dpi. But there are detailed pics of planes at long distances.
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But my mind isn't so open, that brain falls out LOL
Sure it is, you voted for Killary.
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Good point on clear pics of planes.
I suspect most UFO pics are off objects that are a lot more distant? I dunno, but THAT always bugged me too.
However, you're correct that a lack on decent quality pics in the modern age make me wonder about the issue.
Despite the claims, I've yet to see much "smoking gun" quality evidence for ET's flying around in UFO's.
I'm open minded on the topic and find it very interesting.
But my mind isn't so open, that brain falls out LOL
there are plenty of good pics both from the modern age (not sure what period that means to you) as well as from well before the time of Photoshop, etc..
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there are plenty of good pics both from the modern age (not sure what period that means to you) as well as from well before the time of Photoshop, etc..
Will you please post one?
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Is it too much to ask, in the age of smart phones with video that we get a high res pic of one?
Couldn't those navy pilots have taken some pics since they saw them daily?
I believe it, I just want some dam proof in good pics!!!!
According to the articles, they didn't see them with their eyes, the brand new radar system was picking up blips. The old units were not. Even when a blip was shown to be right near the plane, the pilots couldn't see them with their eyes. The explanation from the expert is that the obvious answer is software issues with the new system.
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THat's a reasonable hypothesis but we'll never get the whole truth, nor do we need know it due to national security of our defense systems.
I think we probably could get the truth but journalism today isn't what it should be. I suspect those radar systems have undergone further analysis and good reporting would follow up on that to see what the results were. Are they still seeing those objects on radar etc etc. Occams Razor applies here.
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In summary, I've spent countless hours exploring the topic of UFO's.
My background in the physical sciences can explain some stuff , BUT not everything.
Says the high school janitor. ::)
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The government has known this is a genuine phenomenon since the 1940's and there is an abundance of government documents released via FOIA that support that fact
Google The Twining Memo (the text of the memo can bee seen at this link)
http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm
The first investigation by the US was called Project Sign and the assessment at that time was that these were "interplanetary" vehicles which was rejected by Chief of Staff of the Air Force at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimate_of_the_Situation
I always thought it was interesting that Project Sign was replaced with Project Grudge
You guys knew all this stuff already...right?
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The government has known this is a genuine phenomenon since the 1940's and there is an abundance of government documents released via FOIA that support that fact
Google The Twining Memo (the text of the memo can bee seen at this link)
http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm
The first investigation by the US was called Project Sign and the assessment at that time was that these were "interplanetary" vehicles which was rejected by Chief of Staff of the Air Force at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimate_of_the_Situation
I always thought it was interesting that Project Sign was replaced with Project Grudge
You guys knew all this stuff already...right?
You're a useless, liberal twat, but you're right on this topic. :-*
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You're a useless, liberal twat, but you're right on this topic. :-*
likewise you appear to be totally ignorant on every topic except this one
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The government has known this is a genuine phenomenon since the 1940's and there is an abundance of government documents released via FOIA that support that fact
Google The Twining Memo (the text of the memo can bee seen at this link)
http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm
The first investigation by the US was called Project Sign and the assessment at that time was that these were "interplanetary" vehicles which was rejected by Chief of Staff of the Air Force at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimate_of_the_Situation
I always thought it was interesting that Project Sign was replaced with Project Grudge
You guys knew all this stuff already...right?
I grew up reading Edgar Cayce books. Very intriguing. Perhaps your research has led you to a different conclusion but mine tended to say that yes, the government was interested in the possibility of psychic abilities in the 60's and 70's. There was mystic all around it, and IF it were true we could be at a disadvantage. However they could find no compelling evidence to support the claims and eventually dropped it. Again, every claim done under laboratory controlled conditions has rendered results about the same as chance. To me that's not a very compelling thing. But I don't KNOW for a fact such a thing doesn't exist, I just believe based on the data available that the evidence is insufficient.
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I grew up reading Edgar Cayce books. Very intriguing. Perhaps your research has led you to a different conclusion but mine tended to say that yes, the government was interested in the possibility of psychic abilities in the 60's and 70's. There was mystic all around it, and IF it were true we could be at a disadvantage. However they could find no compelling evidence to support the claims and eventually dropped it. Again, every claim done under laboratory controlled conditions has rendered results about the same as chance. To me that's not a very compelling thing. But I don't KNOW for a fact such a thing doesn't exist, I just believe based on the data available that the evidence is insufficient.
are you replying to a different post?
I never mentioned Edgard Cayce or psychic abilities in my post.
If you're referring back to Russel Targ and his claims about Remove Viewing he said his work was published in peer reviewed journals. I haven't looked them. Not sure if that's what you're referring to
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there are plenty of good pics both from the modern age (not sure what period that means to you) as well as from well before the time of Photoshop, etc..
Will you please post one?
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Will you please post one?
Interested as well.
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there are plenty of good pics both from the modern age (not sure what period that means to you) as well as from well before the time of Photoshop, etc..
Love to see some
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http://www.vice.com/en/article/g5qany/congress-to-hold-first-open-hearing-about-ufos-in-50-years