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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Positive Bodybuilding Discussion & Talk => Natural Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Oliver Klaushof on January 22, 2006, 03:58:02 PM
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- What you can achieve or surpass -
Steeve Reeves - The original Hercules
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Gustav Fristensky - World Physique Champ 1903 at 6' 220pounds
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Eugene Sandow - 5'9'' 202pounds in 1902
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"Maxick" - 5' 140pounds
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Vince Gironda aka "The Iron Guru" trained natural and lived to be 79 years old.
Vince was the original H.I.T. man. He believed in working out until a "pump" was achieved. Going past this was pointless. He also believed sit-ups were useless for beginners because it burned too many calories and caused hormone levels to drop. He, along with Mike Mentzer were both on Weider's shit list because he was advocating methods entirely contrary to Joe's marathon programs published in the magazines.
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Bobby Pandour - circa 1904
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- What you can achieve or surpass -
Steeve Reeves - The original Hercules
Great Calves on Reeves. They look like Sergio's. Believe it or not there have been some natural bodybuilders since the advent of colour photography.
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Great Calves on Reeves. They look like Sergio's. Believe it or not there have been some natural bodybuilders since the advent of colour photography.
Oh I know. I like the old 1930 photos because they silence the critics that believe you have to use steroids to be over 170 pounds and muscular.
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Reg Park - 6'1'' 225 pounds
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Scip La Cour - modern natural bodybuilder 5'10'' 213-230 contest
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Reg Park was the best natural bodybuilder ever. In 1954, he became the second man in the world to bench 500 lb. He also squatted 600 for reps and could press 300 behind the neck.
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John McWilliams, the first man with legit 20" arms. This was in the late 1940's.
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Jack Delinger, Mr. America 1949. One of the first bodybuilders with big legs.
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Leroy Colbert, the natural Sergio.
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Arthur Harris, early 50's.
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More Reg Park.
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Proof that a drug free physique can compete at a very high level.
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Nigel Davis
(http://www.bnbf.co.uk/images/Nigel%20worlds-2003-a.jpg)
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Some say Reg used to take D-Bol and all that stuff
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I'd rather aim higher.
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well if you can look better than Reg by all means try.
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well if you can look better than Reg by all means try.
;D
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Vince Gironda aka "The Iron Guru" trained natural and lived to be 79 years old.
Vince was the original H.I.T. man. He believed in working out until a "pump" was achieved. Going past this was pointless. He also believed sit-ups were useless for beginners because it burned too many calories and caused hormone levels to drop. He, along with Mike Mentzer were both on Weider's shit list because he was advocating methods entirely contrary to Joe's marathon programs published in the magazines.
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Good stuff, I love Mike Mentzers way of training and I'm getting good results from this way of training. I can't wait to read some of Vince's books.
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John Hansen
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John Hansen
He's admitted on getbig that he used to take steroids. he may train "naturally" these days but hs's not a lifetime natural.
Not knocking him, it still takes a massive effort to retain muscle and size, but the natural MrO admitting to haing used gear just seems a little stupid. Thats like someone claiming they are a virgin because they havent had sex in a few years. But i guess it depends on the rules of the organisation and im not fammiliar with the one that runs the natural Mr O.
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I'd aspire to Steve Reeves, as a natural. Or i should say i DO aspire.
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Marvin Eder, another incredibly strong drug free lifter.
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I think I saw Stalin and Conan O'Brien in there. :o
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more on marvin eder, i forgot about him. amazing physique, pre steroid era
http://www.robertuniverse.com/davidgentle/edergentle.htm
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reg park natural? I don't think so.
Some of these guys are questionable.
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reg park natural? I don't think so.
Some of these guys are questionable.
I'm a bit curious. When you say they are questionable, is it the look or do you have some sort of proof. I've seen some pretty amazing natural guys with decent size and excellent conditioning. These guys were tested. How do you know if somebody is or isn't natural by looking at pics?
I'm just curious.
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Scip La Cour...definitely not natural.. if he was thoguh, definitely best bodybuilder of all time. haha ;D
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Tough to say about Skip. I must say though, I have seen him in person....and although he is big.....he is nowhere near the size of the pro's...
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Prime, where's the post where John Hansen said he used gear? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Prime, where's the post where John Hansen said he used gear? Inquiring minds want to know.
I dunno, it was along time ago. You'd have to trawl the board to find it.
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No, John Hansen is not a natural.Well, for the last several yrs. he has been but he hasn't always been so by his own admission.Can't quote for sure the issue & # of the mag but a few yrs. back I was scanning the natural bb'ing mags off a newsstand rack & 1 of them had him stating that in that issue.The magazine was Natural Physique (or Bodybuilding) World, Natural Physique or something, lol, can't even be sure of that.It was the magazine that he had/has his own column in however.
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Reg Park was the best natural bodybuilder ever. In 1954, he became the second man in the world to bench 500 lb. He also squatted 600 for reps and could press 300 behind the neck.
not natural
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Great thread Oliver!
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This thread is depressing. I eventually want to be bigger than that. The only natural bodybuilder I'd be content with looking like is Skip but then again he dedicates his life to bodybuilding like no other. Bodybuilding is his career and he treats it like one.
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it's not "healthy" to wanna be like the best in the world. You know, extremely unlikely.
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Be the best u can be, the only true compation is the one u have with ur self!
The rest is just a by-product or side effect! Trying to be someone else is impossible since
we are all diffrent, so say i will not be happy in till (fill in the blank) just locks u in unhappiness.
Be happy now compeat with ur self, take pride in YOUR achievements and u will feel content always!
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reg park was either not natural, or he didnt bench 500. i dont believe a natural with reg's size could bench 500.
if i could swap bodies with Anyone, it would be Reeves....despite being accustomed to seeing mass monsters, and every shape and form concievable on this site, those reeves pics never fail to impresss me.
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Thats what ppl said about the 4min mile now 13 year olds have done it ;) Never say Never.
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- What you can achieve or surpass -
Steeve Reeves - The original Hercules
Very interesting series of pics, Oliver. :) I suspect, however, that all of these men had very high natural levels of T. I don't think the Average Man can look like that, drug free. :(
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The best in the world right now from any pics I have seen. And a buddy of mine from back in the day. 100% drug free. Sick genetics. His sister even has muscle and didn't really even work out.
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The best in the world right now from any pics I have seen. And a buddy of mine from back in the day. 100% drug free. Sick genetics. His sister even has muscle and didn't really even work out.
Damn impressive. You got some more info on the guy? His training or stats and more pics.
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do not get me wrong but with the exception of some guys from the early 20's ALL the others are somehow enhanced which of course is not something bad at all!
Someone said how can we tell by the pics lol come on EVERY one that has a little basic knowledge can understand that these guys used something...I am not underestimating their achievements BUT it is very childish to believe that they just ate their beef and came hard and defined ;)
You "natural" guys sorry to ruin your ideal world but what is "natural"? I know several bbers that claim to be "natural" and they use tons of prohormones lol...they just do not use real AAS! and this argument that they are "tested" is the best bs I ever heard! we all know that they can still use something that clears from the system some days before contest...
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He, along with Mike Mentzer were both on Weider's shit list because he was advocating methods entirely contrary to Joe's marathon programs published in the magazines.
Yet Joe based Arnold with Vince to whip him into shape.When the young Arnold arrived in the states Joe inlisted the help Of Gironda to turn the podgy austrian into the worlds best body builder .So I dont think vince was on on Joes shit list. ???
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Yet Joe based Arnold with Vince to whip him into shape.When the young Arnold arrived in the states Joe inlisted the help Of Gironda to turn the podgy austrian into the worlds best body builder .So I dont think vince was on on Joes shit list. ???
Maybe not but he was on Arnold's.
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I dont think this thread was started so people could hate on these natural bodybuilders theres more than enough of these debates going around everywhere else. These guys all look great and i believe in this day and age their physiques are very achievable with hard work and dedication. There should be less people commenting on them not being natural unless they have visibale proof because it's inocent untill proven guilty. Natural bodybuilding needs your help and beliefs to succeed, the sport is doomed when all the naturals in it doubt their competitors are natural. It's time to believe in the impossible and realise like everything else in life things that used to be considered the impossible are now the achievable.
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Sorry Reg Park wasnt natural :-\
That's what I'm saying (not necessarily about Reg). How do we really know these old guys are "natural". Skip, just because he doesn't or didn't use today, isn't really natural. I've been out of the circle for a few years but back in the late 90's, all one had to do to qualify as a "natural" was to be clean of gear for 2 years.
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How do we really know these old guys are "natural".
Because testosterone wasn't approved by the FDA for prescription by physicians until 1950. Before that it simply wasn't available to the public (or even physicians), and wasn't manufactured in anything other than limited quantities for experimental lab use only. The first anabolic steroid derivatives weren't available in the west until 1956-58. Even during most of the '50s, when it was technically available, almost nobody had a clue that it could improve lifting or athletic performance. Many prominent lifters and bodybuilders, whose careers spanned both eras before and after testosterone availability, didn't improve substantially after test became accessible for them, so they either weren't using it or it had no effect on them.
On the other hand, beginning around 1960 there was a clear increase in the performance of the American Weightlifting team. In addition, most of the high-level bodybuilders of that time suddenly were developing muscle mass and muscularity well above and beyond the athletes of the 1950s. Bill Pearl is an obvious example ...compare his development in the mid-50s to the early 1960s. By Pearl's own admission he began experimenting with Nilevar in 1956.
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i was at the wnbf natrual worlds and ben the guy posted won the heavywieght class but lost the overall the level of development is really high and i think you guys would be impressed in person. there was another guy who took second in the heavywieght class was awsome he comes in about 5-7 190 diced i think he should have won his class but didnt.
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If this is the same john Hansen? I remember him in 1979 at Moraine Vally Community College in a class were he did a paper on bodybuilding and at the end took off his shirt in front of the class and posed to the shock of the class, lol. He was maybe 18 or so.At that time he was not natural at all.
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rob hope or john harris are the best natural guys out there by a mile check then out
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This is the look I'm going for.
(http://www.juliengreaux.com/14489f171abf26.jpg)
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This is the look I'm going for.
same here, possibly not even that big.
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http://cbass.com/PICTORAL.HTM#More (http://cbass.com/PICTORAL.HTM#More)
Good old Clarence B! Good photos of him thoughout the decades. All natural.
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hansen2.jpg
I don't see the point in the photo... suck in all the airinto your lungs to expand the chest area, but have no abdominal area to support the "sucken in" WTF... makes a poor photo and not impressive...
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This is the look I'm going for.
(http://www.juliengreaux.com/14489f171abf26.jpg)
I hate that guy... you see all the "mma" ads he's in in all the bbing mags trying to put on his war face, hahahah.. what a fuggin jackass.
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What about Bill Pearl?
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Prime, where's the post where John Hansen said he used gear? Inquiring minds want to know.
He did on the website Ironage and even posted some impressive pics.
Look folks, steroids don't stay in your system and keep working for years after you stop useing them.
If that were the case then all the IFBB pros would juice for a few years and the go off and keep making the same gains.
If the drug is not in your system it can't help you any longer. That is like saying the food you ate last yr,will keep you nourished today ::)
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Look for the fat neck = steroids.
:P
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The misinformation in this thread makes Jesus Cry.
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He did on the website Ironage and even posted some impressive pics.
Look folks, steroids don't stay in your system and keep working for years after you stop useing them.
If that were the case then all the IFBB pros would juice for a few years and the go off and keep making the same gains.
If the drug is not in your system it can't help you any longer. That is like saying the food you ate last yr,will keep you nourished today ::)
The muscle size and maturity will remain as long as you keep training and eating. You make no sense.
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I didn't know Sandow weighed that much. Course I never really looked before.
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Also his stats are monstrous for a Natty and for a still low bodyfat from what I can see.
height: 5'9 1/4"
weight: 202 lbs.
neck: 18"
chest: 48"
biceps: 18 1/2"
forearm: 16 1/2"
wrist: 7 1/2"
waist: 30"
hips: 42"
thigh: 26"
knee: 14"
calf: 18"
ankle: 8 1/2"
I'm having a hard time believing these are legit measurements. Nearly 19 inch arms!?
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height: 5'9 1/4"
weight: 202 lbs.
neck: 18"
chest: 48"
biceps: 18 1/2"
forearm: 16 1/2"
wrist: 7 1/2"
waist: 30"
hips: 42"
thigh: 26"
knee: 14"
calf: 18"
ankle: 8 1/2"
I'm having a hard time believing these are legit measurements. Nearly 19 inch arms!?
Scaled to current and past drug-free champion bodybuilders, Sandow could have weighed 202 pounds at 12.7% body fat. However, his measurements are almost all exaggerated (with the exceptions of possibly his chest and neck). Scaling his height and bone structure to more current champs, his stats would be:
weight: 202 lbs @ 12.7% body fat
neck: 17.6"
chest: 49.0"
biceps: 17.9"
forearm: 14.4"
thigh: 24.0"
calf: 16.0"
You have to consider how the measurements were taken. Was his neck flexed? His forearm goosenecked? His chest when he inhaled and/or flexed? Was his thigh measurement taken at mid-thigh or up by the crotch? Like most showmen, Sandow probably just exaggerated for shock value.
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Everything I read about Vince Gironda tells me he was pretty much an asshole. Nice physique.. whatever, but still a major dick hole.
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Look for the fat neck = steroids.
:P
Not necessary. Take Flex Wheeler for example. He always had a skinny neck.
I always thought the cannon ball shoulders was a giveaway, but now I can see by those turn of the century pics that those guys had shoulders that I would have said previously were developed by steroids, but obviously they weren't.
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Looking at these pictures I just don't get why anyone would bother with steroids. These guys physiques are way better than what most gym rats would settle for, and they avoid all the extra costs, complications, side effects, screwing up natural hormone levels.
I am not anti-steroid. I think they're just fine for elite level athletes who NEED an edge. But for everyone else fuck it! Just train hard and eat right.
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Scip La Cour - modern natural bodybuilder 5'10'' 213-230 contest
Sure natural?
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Great thread!!!
My thoughts.....
Reg Park natural??? ya right (Your telling me he was almost as big as Arnold and natural, and Arnold with all the juice was only a bit better? Use some logic please)
Skippy? ya right lol. Nice try though.
I believe we can achieve GREAT things "naturally". But this whole "skip is natural" and "John hansen" is natural.
I don't care if they use it, just stop deceiving people Asshole! ;D
Intelligent people in this field also believe Skip (not to pick on him but.. lol) Just didn't respond to AAS as well as some of the "big boys" in the industry.
The human body CANNOT and I repeat CANNOT hold an incredible amount of muscle at a lean b/f % naturally. Forget it.
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Heres another "natural". Perhaps he is but my head tells me otherwise.
But anywho... Jeff Willet another MAX-OT pioneer. Amazing physique, not the biggest, but thats exactly the point IMO
(http://muscleshots.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mystery36.jpg)
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Reg Park was the best natural bodybuilder ever. In 1954, he became the second man in the world to bench 500 lb. He also squatted 600 for reps and could press 300 behind the neck.
What? You think Reg Park was natural? He wasnt. Maybe up to the early 50s, but not after that- test suspension.
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Submitted for the sake of argumentation ......
I think that individuals can achieve this level of conditioning with proper genetics.
GH ... Your comments would be appreciated.
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great thread and i just seen it... ::) my god i am blind as a bat.
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so easy to tell whos natural and who is not..i dont get why ppl feel the need to lie.
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very delusional thread.
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This is me, natty for life (https://i.imgur.com/geKlqmT.jpg)
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These natty liars should do a cycle and wipe out the Olympia line up. One thing for sure the top ten at the Olympia wouldn't look as good as they do without the chemical assist.
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These natty liars should do a cycle and wipe out the Olympia line up. One thing for sure the top ten at the Olympia wouldn't look as good as they do without the chemical assist.
Truth, just look at the pros who have come off the sauce. Levrone, Prince and Mustafa for starters.