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Is Seahawks coach Pete Carroll a 9/11 truther? That all depends: Does badgering a former four-star general about whether 9/11 was real make one a truther?
Here's what happened, according to a couple sources: Late last spring, retired general Peter Chiarelli, who had just finished his term as the Army's vice chief of staff, visited Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks headquarters. Chiarelli was expecting a pleasant meeting. After all, the pair had what important businesspeople tend to call synergies: Chiarelli—who grew up in Seattle—is a big Seahawks fan. His post-military work concerns traumatic brain injury research, a cause of some significance to the NFL. And both have plenty of experience leading groups of men on grand American stages.
The sit-down between Chiarelli and Carroll started off normally enough. They talked about the team, and then about head trauma. Chiarelli, who commanded the American forces in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom II, talked about the brain injuries he had seen there. But Chiarelli's mention of Iraq sent Carroll in another direction: He wanted to know if the September 11 attacks had been planned or faked by the United States government.
In particular, Carroll wanted to know whether the attack on the Pentagon had really happened. Chiarelli—who was the top-ranking Army official inside the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into its western side—explained that it had. He said he had lost many colleagues. But Carroll didn't stop there. He ran through the whole 9/11 truther litany.
"Every 9/11 conspiracy theory you can think of, Pete asked about," said Riki Ellison, the former NFL linebacker who now runs the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance and introduced Carroll to Chiarelli. Ellison, along with Seahawks offensive line coach Pat Ruel, was at the meeting as well. "And he didn't stop at 9/11—he had lots of questions about the role of the military today." (Carroll does seem to have some fondness for the military. He lectured at a military-sponsored "conference on small unit excellence" in 2009, and last year Ellison connected him with Army soldiers at Camp Carroll in Korea.)
Carroll isn't crazy, Ellison said. He's just skeptical. "Pete grew up in California during Vietnam, and during Watergate. That's just the perspective he brings to the table."
So did the discussion last year turn hostile? A source close to Chiarelli, one who wasn't present when he spoke to Carroll, told us that it did. He said the general had to leave the room because Carroll had rankled him so thoroughly. Ellison told us that that wasn't true, that the discussion had remained friendly and "fun" throughout. A spokesman for Chiarelli at his foundation, One Mind for Research, did not respond to repeated phone and email requests.
Ellison said Carroll did only what anyone else would do: "Pete had a four-star general in the room, one of the army's top guys. Why wouldn't you push the envelope?"
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Coach isn't going to like this one bit
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Coach isn't going to like this one bit
Nope.
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A superbowl and technically two national championships and one of the most inspiring people I have ever met. That being said...who gives a shit. Like 240's lib buddies....this thread failed. Pete can flat out coach.
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A superbowl and technically two national championships and one of the most inspiring people I have ever met. That being said...who gives a shit. Like 240's lib buddies....this thread failed. Pete can flat out coach.
He's one of the most disrespectful people in the country - he accosted a general and badgered him until he left. Accused him of lies, of being part of some mass murder scheme and cover-up.
Look, a lot of people have questions about 911, a lot of republicans do too. A wise woman named Michelle Malkin brought them to the nation's attention in the foreign press in late 2001, and the loose change kids caught on and made a movie about it.
But they all STFU when they're dealing with one of the most highly decorated heroes in our country. They don't insult him with repeated conspiracy theory questions until he has to stand up and leave. They have their politics, their Qs, but to ask, ask, ask repeatedly... how uncomfortable.
Pete Carroll is one of the most disrespectful people I've ever seen.
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He's one of the most disrespectful people in the country - he accosted a general and badgered him until he left. Accused him of lies, of being part of some mass murder scheme and cover-up.
Look, a lot of people have questions about 911, a lot of republicans do too. A wise woman named Michelle Malkin brought them to the nation's attention in the foreign press in late 2001, and the loose change kids caught on and made a movie about it.
But they all STFU when they're dealing with one of the most highly decorated heroes in our country. They don't insult him with repeated conspiracy theory questions until he has to stand up and leave. They have their politics, their Qs, but to ask, ask, ask repeatedly... how uncomfortable.
Pete Carroll is one of the most disrespectful people I've ever seen.
You're boy is getting his ass kicked. You're trolling here. I'm still hiring if you need a job. You spend way too much time on here. Obama is a literal traitor and your mention "disrespect" hahahahaha.
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911 was pulled off by 19 hardcore gang members. Nothing more.
This thread is now concluded.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/11/pete-carroll-st.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/11/pete-carroll-st.html)
Pete Carroll stands by comments on voting for Obama
Do football and politics mix?
Apparently not for some college football fans.
On Monday, I reported that USC Coach Pete Carroll had encouraged his players to vote in Tuesday's election. That did not seem to cause much of a reaction.
But in the same story I wrote that Carroll said he would vote for Barack Obama for president. That drew the ire of several readers.
For example, one reader referenced the Trojans' No. 7 spot in the Bowl Championship Series standings when he wrote:
"Actors and actresses who announce their choice really don't control anything ... just somebody's wallet in Hollywood. Others who announce a choice, simply announce a choice, without any influence over the general electorate.
"Again, the current #7 man made a mistake. It may well be like his season ... not a #1 move."
Wrote another: "I wonder how Pete would like it if Obama took some of his wins away and 'redistributed' them to programs that have not been as fortunate."
And this: "Here's hoping he takes the 49er coaching position ... even if he might have to pay more income tax."
After practice Tuesday, I asked Carroll about the reaction and whether he had any regrets about making his voting plans known.
He did not.
"I'm just a regular citizen," he said. "When asked a question, I don't mind saying I felt strongly about my opinion.
"You can ask me all kinds of things. A lot of times, I don't have a good opinion. But if I do, I don't mind telling you."
--Gary Klein
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Sir, I said, 'this thread is now concluded.' >:(
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Pete has always struck me as a guy with zero integrity. Violations seem to follow him wherever he goes. He needs to teach his boys how to pass PED tests.
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Who gives a shit of what some sports Coach thinks. All he does is sit back and watch men in spandex take showers and pretend to give orders that they don`t follow. I can`t believe grown people follow this stuff. :D
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(http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/blogs/usc.ocregister.com/matthews0725.jpg)
Clay Matthews before Pete's PED regimen
(http://allgbp.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/clay_matthews_cropped-2.jpg)
After
(http://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/brian-cushing.jpg)
Always runs a clean program
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A superbowl and technically two national championships and one of the most inspiring people I have ever met. That being said...who gives a shit. Like 240's lib buddies....this thread failed. Pete can flat out coach.
Obama knows the law well guess that gives all his policies a pass then in your book. Fuck it he could be a terrorist and nazi sympathiser but damn he is a good law professor. ::)
You'd be easier to like if you weren't so fucking stupid and didn't contradict yourself every second post.
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Obama knows the law well guess that gives all his policies a pass then in your book. Fuck it he could be a terrorist and nazi sympathiser but damn he is a good law professor. ::)
You'd be easier to like if you weren't so fucking stupid and didn't contradict yourself every second post.
Obama doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. As for Carroll. 1 Super Bowl and two national championships. Exept for you clowns, who really gives shit.
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/11/pete-carroll-st.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/11/pete-carroll-st.html)
Pete Carroll stands by comments on voting for Obama
Do football and politics mix?
Apparently not for some college football fans.
On Monday, I reported that USC Coach Pete Carroll had encouraged his players to vote in Tuesday's election. That did not seem to cause much of a reaction.
But in the same story I wrote that Carroll said he would vote for Barack Obama for president. That drew the ire of several readers.
For example, one reader referenced the Trojans' No. 7 spot in the Bowl Championship Series standings when he wrote:
"Actors and actresses who announce their choice really don't control anything ... just somebody's wallet in Hollywood. Others who announce a choice, simply announce a choice, without any influence over the general electorate.
"Again, the current #7 man made a mistake. It may well be like his season ... not a #1 move."
Wrote another: "I wonder how Pete would like it if Obama took some of his wins away and 'redistributed' them to programs that have not been as fortunate."
And this: "Here's hoping he takes the 49er coaching position ... even if he might have to pay more income tax."
After practice Tuesday, I asked Carroll about the reaction and whether he had any regrets about making his voting plans known.
He did not.
"I'm just a regular citizen," he said. "When asked a question, I don't mind saying I felt strongly about my opinion.
"You can ask me all kinds of things. A lot of times, I don't have a good opinion. But if I do, I don't mind telling you."
--Gary Klein
Nice article from 2008. Hahaha.
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Pete knows whats up. Fuck you morons that wish to keep your heads on the sand.
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Obama doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. As for Carroll. 1 Super Bowl and two national championships. Exept for you clowns, who really gives shit.
Carroll completely DISRESPECTED a general. We're talking about a man that spent his lifetime serving his country. He served for over 40 years, and spent some of that time helping lower suicide rates, I mean, that's just awesome.
Army Distinguished Service Medal, Defense Superior Service Medal, and almost a dozen other major awards.
And Pete feels the need to bash and bully him, with 911 CT questions, over and over, until man was forced to leave?
Look, it's one thing to have a conspiracy theory. You believe obama was born in keyna, I do too... But the amount of disrespect involved in badgering a lifetime service member like this? You just don't do this. Very rude, very over the top, outright crude.
Dude, if some shitbag liberal was bashing a retired US general, you'd call him out for his total assh*le behavior. There's no way around it - this is A-hole behavior by Carroll. Very disrespectful. I don't care how many wins he has - USC bust, seadderall bust, his public support for obama - excuse all that... But bashing and badgering a member of the military... Surely you agree that's inexcusable?
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A superbowl and technically two national championships and one of the most inspiring people I have ever met. That being said...who gives a shit. Like 240's lib buddies....this thread failed. Pete can flat out coach.
Coach what are your opinions on the scams known as "Cheritable Organizations"?
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I heard Carroll only hunts albino deers. God, he's such a scumbag
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Pete the cheat has always been a guy
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Any New yorkers here that DID in fact seen the plane live and not on TV?
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Any New yorkers here that DID in fact seen the plane live and not on TV?
I believe Groink mentioned being in the area at the time, on the expressway, and that he saw both planes hit.
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Football Coach is the most pointless job anyways. They would be better off just using Starting Strength and computer program to generate their play lists.
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Football Coach is the most pointless job anyways. They would be better off just using Starting Strength and computer program to generate their play lists.
Quiet troll and speak only when you're spoken to.
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Most people don't know the facts about 9/11. It's that simple. They probably don't want to know the facts, but it doesn't stop them from wanting to have an opinion.
If you were going to sharpen the problem to its finest point, it would probably be Secretary Rumsfeld's removing of himself from communication for approximately 30 minutes after the Pentagon was hit. His behavior had already been absolutely outrageous during the event, but the act is something that required investigation and charges - to the point of being ridiculously obvious.
Despite that, there was very little mention of it in the media or the 9/11 report. That is a fact. And it is only the tip of the iceberg. It provided the door toward a real investigation, but it (or so it) was ignored.
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Our system had been set up in such a way that, if underhanded bullshit were to occur, it would leave red flags everywhere.
So if someone wants to know why the millions of red flags exist in this case: that's why.
The questions would not be there, if the intent was legitimate. They would not exist.
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this isn't about 911. It's about Carroll shitting all over a general.
believe what you want. accept the full story, as incomplete as it is... or believe another narrative, also incomplete. But you do your research, you talk about it on some forums, you read up and you have your own truth. You don't fccking attack a general and badger him until he's forced to LEAVE to avoid your maniacal attacks upon him.
The story isn't that Carroll doubts the official story - Polls show the majority of Americans doubt the official story, and most of us know the govt lies aobut a lot things. This story is that Pete Carroll disrespects our military heroes like this. Toss in his drugging up college kids, seadderall'ing up his pro players... supporting obama... he's a shitbag lib, as bad as they come.
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this isn't about 911. It's about Carroll shitting all over a general.
believe what you want. accept the full story, as incomplete as it is... or believe another narrative, also incomplete. But you do your research, you talk about it on some forums, you read up and you have your own truth. You don't fccking attack a general and badger him until he's forced to LEAVE to avoid your maniacal attacks upon him.
The story isn't that Carroll doubts the official story - Polls show the majority of Americans doubt the official story, and most of us know the govt lies aobut a lot things. This story is that Pete Carroll disrespects our military heroes like this. Toss in his drugging up college kids, seadderall'ing up his pro players... supporting obama... he's a shitbag lib, as bad as they come.
Obama and the left shit on the entire military. I fail to to see your point. Pete Carroll is much more accomplished than Obama. Obama was and even admitted he was a druggie and he's the (cough cough) so called "president". At least that's what you call him..lol
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Pete should have got a right hand to the mouth for treating the General that way.
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Pete should have got a right hand to the mouth for treating the General that way.
If that's the case then Obama should be tried, convicted and given the death penalty from a court of law.
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Obama and the left shit on the entire military. I fail to to see your point. Pete Carroll is much more accomplished than Obama. Obama was and even admitted he was a druggie and he's the (cough cough) so called "president". At least that's what you call him..lol
it's very possible that BOTH Obama and Carroll are disgusting liberals that disrespect our military.
I do'nt understand why you bring up Obama, as a way of defending Carroll.
Imagine Jeffrey Dahmer getting into court and laughing, telling the judge "I dont know why you're so upset, Jack the Ripper killed WAY more people that me!"
Neither obama's nor carroll's actions are defensible. You can argue obama is a bigger shithead liberal, and I will agree with you, that obama is.
BUT THIS DOESN'T NEGATE THE HORRIBLE WAY PETE CARROLL BADGERED AN HONORABLE MILITARY MAN.
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Pete should have got a right hand to the mouth for treating the General that way.
I"m outright shocked that Carroll would do this.
What would cause him to get so angry, and keep going at the general - even after the general politely confirmed the official story? imagine how bad it must have gotten, for the general to actually get in his car and drive away, just to stop the verbal attack.
I respect Carroll's opinion, but WOW... you don't talk like this to a retired general. If you're crude enough to ask him about being at 9/11, that's bad...(remember - the general did survive the attack that day, he's a trauma victim!!).... but CONTINUING until the poor dude leaves? Who does that? ???
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it's very possible that BOTH Obama and Carroll are disgusting liberals that disrespect our military.
I do'nt understand why you bring up Obama, as a way of defending Carroll.
Imagine Jeffrey Dahmer getting into court and laughing, telling the judge "I dont know why you're so upset, Jack the Ripper killed WAY more people that me!"
Neither obama's nor carroll's actions are defensible. You can argue obama is a bigger shithead liberal, and I will agree with you, that obama is.
BUT THIS DOESN'T NEGATE THE HORRIBLE WAY PETE CARROLL BADGERED AN HONORABLE MILITARY MAN.
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Seriously? Carroll is a football coach with an opinion. Obama is a politician and the supposed leader of the free world (all though don't take him seriously because factually he's a complete fraud). Are you that daft that you can't see the difference? Oh wait. You're a lib. Of course you can't :-\
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Pete knows whats up. Fuck you morons that wish to keep your heads on the sand.
And fuck you foil hat imbeciles, who are ridiculously incapable to show any evidence to confirm your theories. Please explain why it is so? Why we never see any concrete evidence from the foil hat imbeciles? BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONE. Have a nice day ;D
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Most people don't know the facts about 9/11. It's that simple. They probably don't want to know the facts, but it doesn't stop them from wanting to have an opinion.
If you were going to sharpen the problem to its finest point, it would probably be Secretary Rumsfeld's removing of himself from communication for approximately 30 minutes after the Pentagon was hit. His behavior had already been absolutely outrageous during the event, but the act is something that required investigation and charges - to the point of being ridiculously obvious.
Despite that, there was very little mention of it in the media or the 9/11 report. That is a fact. And it is only the tip of the iceberg. It provided the door toward a real investigation, but it (or so it) was ignored.
And here you are again, nit picking stupid hearsay details from your beloved foil hat theory, needles to say, still being incapable to prove even one word of that pile of crap. If you want to rant about the 9/11, start by proving that there were even one single real explosion? You and your party can't do even that, because there wasn't, and that single detail will end your theory all together. If there wasn't any explosions, it wasn't controlled demolition, so it happen just like official reports tell it happen. End of the mystery, and end of your theories. Now fuck off, you retard child ;D
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And here you are again, nit picking stupid hearsay details from your beloved foil hat theory, needles to say, still being incapable to prove even one word of that pile of crap. If you want to rant about the 9/11, start by proving that there were even one single real explosion? You and your party can't do even that, because there wasn't, and that single detail will end your theory all together. If there wasn't any explosions, it wasn't controlled demolition, so it happen just like official reports tell it happen. End of the mystery, and end of your theories. Now fuck off, you retard child ;D
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/oh_yeah_obama.gif)
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And here you are again, nit picking stupid hearsay details from your beloved foil hat theory, needles to say, still being incapable to prove even one word of that pile of crap. If you want to rant about the 9/11, start by proving that there were even one single real explosion? You and your party can't do even that, because there wasn't, and that single detail will end your theory all together. If there wasn't any explosions, it wasn't controlled demolition, so it happen just like official reports tell it happen. End of the mystery, and end of your theories. Now fuck off, you retard child ;D
Sounds like Jack has been watching fahrenheit 9/11 one too many times
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IMO, this isn't about the 911 skepticism -
This is about Pete Carroll shitting all over a 911 survivor
This is about Pete Carroll shitting all over a war veteran
This is about Pete Carroll shitting all over a US general
Is Pete a disrespectful piece of garbage (no matter how many games he's won?)
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911 was pulled off by 19 hardcore gang members. Nothing more.
This thread is now concluded.
.......and chocked up to no more than workplace violence.
By the way as a USC football fan I love/HATE Pete for the shambles he left the team in when he skipped town before the shit hit the fan on his open checkbook recruiting and affair with the USC cheer leader going on at his Malibu man cave.
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hit the fan on his open checkbook recruiting and affair with the USC cheer leader going on at his Malibu man cave.
Pete might hate the military, hate 911 survivors, cheat at USC and Seadderall...
But I've never heard about an affair with a student, that sounds fake to me.
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Is Seahawks coach Pete Carroll a 9/11 truther? That all depends: Does badgering a former four-star general about whether 9/11 was real make one a truther?
Here's what happened, according to a couple sources: Late last spring, retired general Peter Chiarelli, who had just finished his term as the Army's vice chief of staff, visited Carroll at the Seattle Seahawks headquarters. Chiarelli was expecting a pleasant meeting. After all, the pair had what important businesspeople tend to call synergies: Chiarelli—who grew up in Seattle—is a big Seahawks fan. His post-military work concerns traumatic brain injury research, a cause of some significance to the NFL. And both have plenty of experience leading groups of men on grand American stages.
The sit-down between Chiarelli and Carroll started off normally enough. They talked about the team, and then about head trauma. Chiarelli, who commanded the American forces in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom II, talked about the brain injuries he had seen there. But Chiarelli's mention of Iraq sent Carroll in another direction: He wanted to know if the September 11 attacks had been planned or faked by the United States government.
In particular, Carroll wanted to know whether the attack on the Pentagon had really happened. Chiarelli—who was the top-ranking Army official inside the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into its western side—explained that it had. He said he had lost many colleagues. But Carroll didn't stop there. He ran through the whole 9/11 truther litany.
"Every 9/11 conspiracy theory you can think of, Pete asked about," said Riki Ellison, the former NFL linebacker who now runs the Missile Defense Advocacy Alliance and introduced Carroll to Chiarelli. Ellison, along with Seahawks offensive line coach Pat Ruel, was at the meeting as well. "And he didn't stop at 9/11—he had lots of questions about the role of the military today." (Carroll does seem to have some fondness for the military. He lectured at a military-sponsored "conference on small unit excellence" in 2009, and last year Ellison connected him with Army soldiers at Camp Carroll in Korea.)
Carroll isn't crazy, Ellison said. He's just skeptical. "Pete grew up in California during Vietnam, and during Watergate. That's just the perspective he brings to the table."
So did the discussion last year turn hostile? A source close to Chiarelli, one who wasn't present when he spoke to Carroll, told us that it did. He said the general had to leave the room because Carroll had rankled him so thoroughly. Ellison told us that that wasn't true, that the discussion had remained friendly and "fun" throughout. A spokesman for Chiarelli at his foundation, One Mind for Research, did not respond to repeated phone and email requests.
Ellison said Carroll did only what anyone else would do: "Pete had a four-star general in the room, one of the army's top guys. Why wouldn't you push the envelope?"
Like always, you rarely post a link to your stories. Post the link to where this came from. BTW, you have seriously become a TA-like troll on here.
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And here you are again, nit picking stupid hearsay details from your beloved foil hat theory, needles to say, still being incapable to prove even one word of that pile of crap.
It's the official story, Ropo. Didn't you realize that before you decided to respond?
If you want to rant about the 9/11, start by proving that there were even one single real explosion? You and your party can't do even that, because there wasn't, and that single detail will end your theory all together. If there wasn't any explosions, it wasn't controlled demolition, so it happen just like official reports tell it happen. End of the mystery, and end of your theories. Now fuck off, you retard child ;D
There wasn't a single word about an explosion in the post you replied to, Ropo. Didn't you realize that, either, before you decided to respond?
(btw: If you could give a serious reply to this post, I would appreciate it. I've often wondered how a person such as yourself has found all the answers, despite being oblivious to everything around him. It really is quite amazing.)
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Sounds like Jack has been watching fahrenheit 9/11 one too many times
Haven't watched it, Bevo. No desire to watch it. Most works on the subject are "look at all the red flags!", and that's about it.
Blaming entire agencies as though no individuals exist, or trying to settle matters of building engineering, explosives, physics, etc., for mass consumption, are a waste of time in my opinion.
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IMO, this isn't about the 911 skepticism -
This is about Pete Carroll shitting all over a 911 survivor
This is about Pete Carroll shitting all over a war veteran
This is about Pete Carroll shitting all over a US general
Is Pete a disrespectful piece of garbage (no matter how many games he's won?)
he has a right to know the truth.
who gives a fuck if its a 'war veteran'
carroll paid his salary.
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1 Super Bowl 2 National Championships. Obama = Complete failure.
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perhaps the realization he couldn't cut it on the field was a factor
then the needling was the last straw so he ran before melting down?
another hero bites the dust
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1 Super Bowl 2 National Championships. Obama = Complete failure.
Right, because being elected President of the United States twice and then getting awarded the Nobel Peace Prize is the mark of a failure. ::)
You can argue that he's a bad President (n.b.: he is) and that he didn't do anything to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize (n.b.: he didn't) but that's a whole 'nother issue.
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.......and chocked up to no more than workplace violence.
By the way as a USC football fan I love/HATE Pete for the shambles he left the team in when he skipped town before the shit hit the fan on his open checkbook recruiting and affair with the USC cheer leader going on at his Malibu man cave.
Can u remind me what the score of the 06 Rose bowl game was? Can't seem to remember :D
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Right, because being elected President of the United States twice and then getting awarded the Nobel Peace Prize is the mark of a failure. ::)
You can argue that he's a bad President (n.b.: he is) and that he didn't do anything to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize (n.b.: he didn't) but that's a whole 'nother issue.
I've already proven by the so called job obama is doing that just because he can get elected doesn't mean he can do the job. All that means is he's just a good liar and people were stupid enough for fall for it.
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Pete has always struck me as a guy with zero integrity. Violations seem to follow him wherever he goes. He needs to teach his boys how to pass PED tests.
I believe he has extreme ADD and is using Adderall for it. I also believe that he whiffs his adderall up his nose for a faster effect. Over the years he's had to increase his dose and is now basically an abuser of "speed". Which explains his physical movements, upbeat personality and slight paranoia and great work ethic...
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Pete might hate the military, hate 911 survivors, cheat at USC and Seadderall...
But I've never heard about an affair with a student, that sounds fake to me.
"If you didn't know, Pete Carroll is the head coach of the all-star USC Trojans. Recently fired Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis said this to the media which started the Pete Carroll cheating scandal:
You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news. He’s doing it in Malibu and it’s not national news."
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It's the official story, Ropo. Didn't you realize that before you decided to respond?
There wasn't a single word about an explosion in the post you replied to, Ropo. Didn't you realize that, either, before you decided to respond?
(btw: If you could give a serious reply to this post, I would appreciate it. I've often wondered how a person such as yourself has found all the answers, despite being oblivious to everything around him. It really is quite amazing.)
And this is how much you understand about the matters? Ok. When you and your foil hat group see a hammer, it is a hammer. When you see a car, it is a car. When you see the building collapse, it is a conspiracy theory, no matter if you have any evidence what so ever ;D
That kind of state of mind is insane, not just insanely stupid. If you still want to claim there was some conspiracy in 9/11, why don't you asshat go and prove that the key point, the explosion exist. And if you can't, who the fuck cares where and when Secretary Rumsfeld need a jerk of?
I mean that it is humanly impossible to be so fucking stupid, that you try to make a conspiracy theory about the fact, that Secretary Rumsfeld need a emergency crap at that time. If you want to build a case from completely irrelevant details and statements which you can't confirm anywhere and with anything, that is just childish.
What Secretary Rumsfeld's did or didn't do is completely meaningless, because you have no means to prove that he did something he shouldn't need to do. There is no mystery about it, you fucking imbeciles just try to make it seem that there is. Now take your head out from your ass, and grow up ;D
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I've already proven by the so called job obama is doing that just because he can get elected doesn't mean he can do the job. All that means is he's just a good liar and people were stupid enough for fall for it.
First of all, you haven't proven anything - you are allergic to proofs; Obama himself has proven that he can't do the job.
With that little detail out of the way, try to re-read my post again. You originally said Obama isn't successful. I challenged your statement - and continue to do so - because your statement is, to put it bluntly, a steaming pile of bullshit. The facts are simple: by any metric he is personally successful, and to suggest otherwise is stupid. Let's look at this personal achievements, shall we? He successfully graduated from Harvard University with a J.D.. He successfully got himself elected to the Senate. He successfully secured the nomination of his party and went on to win the Presidential elections. And he then successfully won re-election.
This has nothing to do with whether he's a good President or whether you or I agree with his politics. You talked about his personal success and by using "personal success" as the metric, Obama is objectively successful.
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First of all, you haven't proven anything - you are allergic to proofs; Obama himself has proven that he can't do the job.
With that little detail out of the way, try to re-read my post again. You originally said Obama isn't successful. I challenged your statement - and continue to do so - because your statement is, to put it bluntly, a steaming pile of bullshit. The facts are simple: by any metric he is personally successful, and to suggest otherwise is stupid. Let's look at this personal achievements, shall we? He successfully graduated from Harvard University with a J.D.. He successfully got himself elected to the Senate. He successfully secured the nomination of his party and went on to win the Presidential elections. And he then successfully won re-election.
This has nothing to do with whether he's a good President or whether you or I agree with his politics. You talked about his personal success and by using "personal success" as the metric, Obama is objectively successful.
Jesus. You're long winded.
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First of all, you haven't proven anything - you are allergic to proofs; Obama himself has proven that he can't do the job.
With that little detail out of the way, try to re-read my post again. You originally said Obama isn't successful. I challenged your statement - and continue to do so - because your statement is, to put it bluntly, a steaming pile of bullshit. The facts are simple: by any metric he is personally successful, and to suggest otherwise is stupid. Let's look at this personal achievements, shall we? He successfully graduated from Harvard University with a J.D.. He successfully got himself elected to the Senate. He successfully secured the nomination of his party and went on to win the Presidential elections. And he then successfully won re-election.
This has nothing to do with whether he's a good President or whether you or I agree with his politics. You talked about his personal success and by using "personal success" as the metric, Obama is objectively successful.
We don't know what he graduated with. There's no transcripts to be found ANYWHERE. Not even occidental. What the hell are you talking about? His personal achievements are unknown. All of this academic achievement and yet his class mates can't remeber him. Maybe he in the bushes smoking his choom when he should have been in class. We know nothing of this fukker.
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We don't know what he graduated with. There's no transcripts to be found ANYWHERE. Not even occidental. What the hell are you talking about? His personal achievements are unknown. All of this academic achievement and yet his class mates can't remeber him. Maybe he in the bushes smoking his choom when he should have been in class. We know nothing of this fukker.
hey man, i agree obama is an illegal and should be impeached, tried for crimes, imprisoned, then deported.
do you agree it was wrong for Pete Caroll to badger a 911 survivor and general like that?
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Jesus. You're long winded.
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We don't know what he graduated with.
No, you don't know what he graduated with for the same reason that you know where he was born: because you are a conspiracy nut who believes that a massive conspiracy, spanning two continents, at least three countries, four States, a number of decades, and thousands of people has helped elevate a Kenyan-born baby to the Presidency of the United States. And it would have worked if it wasn't for those damned children...
There's no transcripts to be found ANYWHERE. Not even occidental.
Yeah! There's nothing!
Because it's totally not a well-documented fact (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html) that Obama was elected (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/09/barack-obama-ha.html) president of the Harvard Law Review (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-02-07/news/9001110408_1_ann-dunham-chicago-housing-authority-barack-obama) in the early '90s (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/1990/02/15/a_law_review_breakthrough/) (a position to which only those admitted to the Harvard Law School are eligible for).
Because there's totally no proof that the print version of the alumnus directory published by Harvard at the time lists Obama's name and shows him graduating with a J.D.. I mean, it's not like one can go to the Harvard Library and look at the actual book, or check with numerous others who have an original copy from that time.
Nope, no proof at all. Because you haven't seen the transcripts. Go fuck yourself asshole - you can't get my transcripts either, but that doesn't mean I don't have undergraduate and graduate degrees in both Computer Science and Mathematics.
What the hell are you talking about? His personal achievements are unknown.
So, you don't think it's a personal achievement to get elected to the Senate? Or to get elected to the Presidency? Or do you claim that facts like "Obama served as a U.S. Senator" and "Obama served as the President of the United States" are unknown?
All of this academic achievement and yet his class mates can't remeber him.
No, some of his class mates can't remember him - which isn't unrealistic. I can't remember most of the people I graduated with. And at any rate who does and doesn't remember him isn't the metric we use to determine whether someone graduated from Law School or not.
Maybe he in the bushes smoking his choom when he should have been in class.
Universities typically don't have mandatory attendance policies, with classes involving labs being the usual exceptions; so whether he was or wasn't in class is irrelevant. Not that I'd expect someone with a mail-order degree in Idiocy (with a minor in Conspiratorial Studies) to know this.
I know nothing and am stupid.
Yes, we know you are.
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No, you don't know what he graduated with for the same reason that you know where he was born: because you are a conspiracy nut who believes that a massive conspiracy, spanning two continents, at least three countries, four States, a number of decades, and thousands of people has helped elevate a Kenyan-born baby to the Presidency of the United States. And it would have worked if it wasn't for those damned children...
Yeah! There's nothing!
Because it's totally not a well-documented fact (http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html) that Obama was elected (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedailymirror/2008/09/barack-obama-ha.html) president of the Harvard Law Review (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-02-07/news/9001110408_1_ann-dunham-chicago-housing-authority-barack-obama) in the early '90s (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/1990/02/15/a_law_review_breakthrough/) (a position to which only those admitted to the Harvard Law School are eligible for).
Because there's totally no proof that the print version of the alumnus directory published by Harvard at the time lists Obama's name and shows him graduating with a J.D.. I mean, it's not like one can go to the Harvard Library and look at the actual book, or check with numerous others who have an original copy from that time.
Nope, no proof at all. Because you haven't seen the transcripts. Go fuck yourself asshole - you can't get my transcripts either, but that doesn't mean I don't have undergraduate and graduate degrees in both Computer Science and Mathematics.
So, you don't think it's a personal achievement to get elected to the Senate? Or to get elected to the Presidency? Or do you claim that facts like "Obama served as a U.S. Senator" and "Obama served as the President of the United States" are unknown?
No, some of his class mates can't remember him - which isn't unrealistic. I can't remember most of the people I graduated with. And at any rate who does and doesn't remember him isn't the metric we use to determine whether someone graduated from Law School or not.
Universities typically don't have mandatory attendance policies, with classes involving labs being the usual exceptions; so whether he was or wasn't in class is irrelevant. Not that I'd expect someone with a mail-order degree in Idiocy (with a minor in Conspiratorial Studies) to know this.
Yes, we know you are.
He was like the equivalent of a summer school teacher. "Elected" lol
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He was like the equivalent of a summer school teacher.
Huh?
"Elected" lol
Hey, can you challenge a single thing? If not, shut up and move along.
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Huh?
Hey, can you challenge a single thing? If not, shut up and move along.
What's there to challenge? We don't know he got in, we have to assume through affirmative action because he supposedly wasn't that good of a student. But again, we have no proof of anything. Literally everything is a question mark. Forget about when he was elected. We know no more about him now than back then.
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What's there to challenge?
Oh, I don't know... you stated we don't know that he graduated from Harvard. I pointed out the proven and well-documented existence of print copies of the commencement book showing him graduating with a J.D., print (and online) copies of Harvard Alumni Catalogs from that time that show him as a graduate with a J.D., documentation of his admission to the Bar by the Supreme Court of Illinois listing his Alma Mater as Harvard. I pointed out the proven and documented existence of contemporaneous news coverage showing him becoming President of the Law Review.
We don't know he got in, we have to assume through affirmative action because he supposedly wasn't that good of a student.
Well, you can assume anything you want, but I am in academia and I can tell you that a school like Harvard isn't going to admit unqualified candidates because of affirmative action for one very simple reason: there are plenty of well-qualified candidates that can fit any quotas - enough, as a matter of fact, that many well-qualified candidates aren't even considered. But all that is irrelevant; how he got in doesn't matter. That he graduated does.
But again, we have no proof of anything.
Huh... and here I thought that print copies of the commencement book showing him graduating with a J.D., print (and online) copies of Harvard Alumni Catalogs from that time that show him as a graduate with a J.D., documentation of his admission to the Bar by the Supreme Court of Illinois listing his Alma Mater as Harvard actually constituted proof.
Literally everything is a question mark.
Literally everything? Damn! ::)
Forget about when he was elected.
I'm sorry, I can't forget a fact of reality.
We know no more about him now than back then.
Maybe we do, maybe we don't. What's important, however, is what we know. And that is that (a) Obama is a U.S. citizen, having been born in Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother, (b) graduated from Columbia University, (c) graduated from Harvard University and (d) was admitted to the Bar of the Supreme Court of Illinois.
Again, these are facts of reality - a concept that seems foreign to you seeing how your thinking (if we can call it that) is muddled at best. Perhaps you ought to cut back on the auto-erotic asphyxiation?
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Where are the transcripts? Show us those and your statements stand.
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"If you didn't know, Pete Carroll is the head coach of the all-star USC Trojans. Recently fired Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis said this to the media which started the Pete Carroll cheating scandal:
You guys know about things that go on in different places. Was I living with a grad student in Malibu, or was I living with my wife in my house? You could bet that if I were living with a grad student here in South Bend, it would be national news. He’s doing it in Malibu and it’s not national news."
the only thing Charlie Weiss has done lately which makes the news is lose football games and get fired
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woah woah woah - this isn't a thread on if obama is a piece of shit.
this is a thread about "Does badgering a 911 survivor and war hero make a person a piece of shit"?
I say yes. Pete won 1-2 national championships, and won a super bowl. But that doesn't negate the horrible way he chased a military hero. That doesn't negate the disrespect he showed for a general.
Pete is a liberal. He voted obama, his teams have cheated, he had an affair with a college girl, and he hates the military heroes of 9/11. It's not up for debate. He could have 20 super bowl rings and he'd still be a liberal that insults our military.
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Where are the transcripts? Show us those and your statements stand.
My statements stand on their own. You can't disprove a single thing I've said and that's why you avoid addressing the points I've made repeatedly - because you are a dishonest, intellectual midget. Of course, this isn't your first rodeo - you've done this shit before. Remember, after all, you kept saying the same bullshit about Obama's citizenship. You kept asking for the birth certificate. And when it was presented, you took a step back and you just dismissed that too and continued spewing the same bullshit you were spewing before.
So let's try a slightly different approach and stop pussy-footing around, shall we?
Why are transcripts OK, but other official, verified publications from Harvard and other sources aren't? What will the transcripts prove to you, and why won't you just dismiss them given that you already dismiss other conclusive proof with the laughable "well, people don't remember him!" excuse?
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woah woah woah - this isn't a thread on if obama is a piece of shit.
this is a thread about "Does badgering a 911 survivor and war hero make a person a piece of shit"?
I say yes. Pete won 1-2 national championships, and won a super bowl. But that doesn't negate the horrible way he chased a military hero. That doesn't negate the disrespect he showed for a general.
Pete is a liberal. He voted obama, his teams have cheated, he had an affair with a college girl, and he hates the military heroes of 9/11. It's not up for debate. He could have 20 super bowl rings and he'd still be a liberal that insults our military.
Every thread is about Obama being a piece of shit
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Every thread is about Obama being a piece of shit
LOL!
Gotcha.
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Alright, I want to settle this thing. Found a very succinct quote, from the Chief of Defense Protective Service (DPS) - law enforcement authority at the Pentagon - about the period Secretary Rumsfeld removed himself from communication. It was given as a matter of record for the Historical Office of the DOD:
"The secretary went to the crash site, which he should not have done. One of my officers tried to stop him and he just brushed him off. I told his staff that he should not have done that. He is in the national command authority; he should not have gone to the scene."
I hate to explain things that should be obvious to anyone that wants to claim an opinion (hi, Ropo) but: by being in the National Command Authority, it was Rumsfeld's job to see that Rules of Engagement were in effect for a mass-murdering threat that had shown itself to exist not once, not twice, but three times at the point he disappeared from communication.
No rules had been established: there had been no attempt to take even a single step toward doing that, despite the time that had passed since the first two attacks. That is a cold, hard fact - as seen in the official 9/11 Report itself.
By being in such a state, the probability of an attacking plane to successfully destroy buildings and kill in mass numbers, etc., was dramatically raised. By being in such a state where the Secretary cannot be contacted, it is all but guaranteed.
That's why it is beyond striking, that the Secretary removed himself from communication.
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My statements stand on their own. You can't disprove a single thing I've said and that's why you avoid addressing the points I've made repeatedly - because you are a dishonest, intellectual midget. Of course, this isn't your first rodeo - you've done this shit before. Remember, after all, you kept saying the same bullshit about Obama's citizenship. You kept asking for the birth certificate. And when it was presented, you took a step back and you just dismissed that too and continued spewing the same bullshit you were spewing before.
So let's try a slightly different approach and stop pussy-footing around, shall we?
Why are transcripts OK, but other official, verified publications from Harvard and other sources aren't? What will the transcripts prove to you, and why won't you just dismiss them given that you already dismiss other conclusive proof with the laughable "well, people don't remember him!" excuse?
Because they require transcripts to even be considered, you know this. Why are you even asking? You know what transcripts show. Even as we speak I have to get everything together for my son's recruiter including SAT and ACT for him to even be considered. I have athletes all over the country including UCLA, USC, College of the Holy Cross, Harvard and Princeton on both athletic and/or academic scholarships and everyone had to submit documentation. Why would Obama be any different? Hell, to the best of my knowledge you even have to submit or the school requests transcripts for a juco. So again, how is it he has none this? If I'm missing something here let me know (as far as college entrance).
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BTW: as 240 says, this isn't a 911 thread. So no plans for me to get into that line any further, here, if it's avoidable.
Great thread, 240.
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Because they require transcripts to even be considered, you know this.
And I'm sure that Harvard did get them, verified their accuracy with Columbia and Occidental and considered them as part of the admission process. That they admitted him conclusively proves that he supplied all the information necessary, which includes transcripts.
But you asking for Obama's transcripts is pointless - you aren't a a member of Harvard's admission committee, and even if you were, the time for you to ask to examine the transcripts has long since passed. You have no justification for wanting to look at his transcripts - which are protected under Federal Law, as are the transcripts of every student. So why do you insist on asking to see them?
Why are you even asking?
You first. Why are you asking to see them? And more than that, what makes you think you have the right to demand them?
You know what transcripts show.
I know, generally, what appears on such documents, but to be honest, I don't think I've ever seen a printout of my transcripts.
Even as we speak I have to get everything together for my son's recruiter including SAT and ACT for him to even be considered.
Cool, good luck to your son!
I have athletes all over the country including UCLA, USC, College of the Holy Cross, Harvard and Princeton on both athletic and/or academic scholarships and everyone had to submit documentation.
Sure. But do you think you have some right to demand and receive the transcripts and documentation of athletes you aren't affiliated with? Or do you believe that they haven't submitted such documents just because you can't see them?
Why would Obama be any different?
Why do you think he's different? That you haven't seen his transcripts doesn't mean he didn't supply them to Columbia and Harvard.
Hell, to the best of my knowledge you even have to submit or the school requests transcripts for a juco.
Probably. And?
So again, how is it he has none this?
On what do you base your assertion that he has none of this? That you aren't allowed to examine them doesn't mean they don't exist.
If I'm missing something here let me know (as far as college entrance).
Yes you're missing something: that just because you haven't seen Obama's transcripts doesn't mean they don't exist or that he was admitted and didn't graduate from Harvard with a J.D..
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this avxo guy needs to take a zanax.
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this avxo guy needs to take a zanax.
Axvo is cool. I've never seen anyone on here that can debate the way he can.
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no doubt but holy fuck he'd give an asprin a headache.
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no doubt but holy fuck he'd give an asprin a headache.
LOL ;D
He's definitely a master debater.
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Axvo is cool. I've never seen anyone on here that can debate the way he can.
You know, for all our back-and-forth, I do appreciate you saying that. You're a cool guy Joe and respect you even though we don't see eye to eye. I just wish you'd answer that one question I posted in a thread a while ago about exercises to help get rid of occasional back pain! Speaking of back pain, where's my free Obamacare dammit?!
no doubt but holy fuck he'd give an asprin a headache.
Haha! You aren't the first to express that sentiment, but I've never heard it put quite like that. ;D
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Alright, I want to settle this thing. Found a very succinct quote, from the Chief of Defense Protective Service (DPS) - law enforcement authority at the Pentagon - about the period Secretary Rumsfeld removed himself from communication. It was given as a matter of record for the Historical Office of the DOD:
I hate to explain things that should be obvious to anyone that wants to claim an opinion (hi, Ropo) but: by being in the National Command Authority, it was Rumsfeld's job to see that Rules of Engagement were in effect for a mass-murdering threat that had shown itself to exist not once, not twice, but three times at the point he disappeared from communication.
No rules had been established: there had been no attempt to take even a single step toward doing that, despite the time that had passed since the first two attacks. That is a cold, hard fact - as seen in the official 9/11 Report itself.
By being in such a state, the probability of an attacking plane to successfully destroy buildings and kill in mass numbers, etc., was dramatically raised. By being in such a state where the Secretary cannot be contacted, it is all but guaranteed.
That's why it is beyond striking, that the Secretary removed himself from communication.
Well, that could be striking for some foil hat imbecile, but other us see things differently: What you stupid's are unable to understand, is for example the timeline. First strike were North Tower of the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m. That seem to be just a freak accident and it didn't even rise a panic. Shit happens. Second strike were the South Tower of the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m, and at this point it seem to be evident that it was a terrorist act, but only few knew that there were still two airplanes which doesn't answer the calls. The hit in the Pentagon was at 9:37 a.m., while secretary Rumsfeld were in the meeting in it. At 9:40 a.m., the FAA grounded all aircraft within the continental U.S.
In what moment secretary Rumsfeld should have spring at the bat cave and save the world? Between 9:03 to 9:40 there were hundred of planes over the USA, so it would have been funny to see how trigger happy USAF fly around and shot down everything which moves, because just about no one fucking knew where those two planes were, and those few who knew, didn't know the whole picture. You have to face the fact that the ragheads surprise USA it's pants down, because you were living in the arrogant illusion believing that no harm can come upon you. There is nothing what Rumsfeld could have done in that timeframe, which would have some effect to the outcome. It is only in your imagination, and imaginations of the foil hat morons, that stool water of the human kind. Just look what your highest commander, the president were doing? He was sitting in the day care center, reading fairytales with his book upside down. That is perfect poster picture of things which went wrong at the 9/11: there were a terrorist act, and then the historical clusterfuck, where bunch of apes went apeshit. Fact is, that your military etc. organizations couldn't do better even if they have receive a invitation at this event week earlier, because command chains and connections between civil organizations and military were too complicated. It is so fucking easy to look back and try to invent new meanings to things which went wrong, but the bottom line is still same: there were no conspiracy which involved USA government etc., there were no controlled demolition, only uncontrolled fucking morons running around with their big heads banging together ;D
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Seattle beat Carolina 13-9.
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Well, that could be striking for some foil hat imbecile, but other us see things differently: What you stupid's are unable to understand, is for example the timeline. First strike were North Tower of the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m. That seem to be just a freak accident and it didn't even rise a panic. Shit happens. Second strike were the South Tower of the World Trade Center at 9:03 a.m, and at this point it seem to be evident that it was a terrorist act, but only few knew that there were still two airplanes which doesn't answer the calls. The hit in the Pentagon was at 9:37 a.m., while secretary Rumsfeld were in the meeting in it. At 9:40 a.m., the FAA grounded all aircraft within the continental U.S.
In what moment secretary Rumsfeld should have spring at the bat cave and save the world? Between 9:03 to 9:40 there were hundred of planes over the USA, so it would have been funny to see how trigger happy USAF fly around and shot down everything which moves, because just about no one fucking knew where those two planes were, and those few who knew, didn't know the whole picture. You have to face the fact that the ragheads surprise USA it's pants down, because you were living in the arrogant illusion believing that no harm can come upon you. There is nothing what Rumsfeld could have done in that timeframe, which would have some effect to the outcome. It is only in your imagination, and imaginations of the foil hat morons, that stool water of the human kind. Just look what your highest commander, the president were doing? He was sitting in the day care center, reading fairytales with his book upside down. That is perfect poster picture of things which went wrong at the 9/11: there were a terrorist act, and then the historical clusterfuck, where bunch of apes went apeshit. Fact is, that your military etc. organizations couldn't do better even if they have receive a invitation at this event week earlier, because command chains and connections between civil organizations and military were too complicated. It is so fucking easy to look back and try to invent new meanings to things which went wrong, but the bottom line is still same: there were no conspiracy which involved USA government etc., there were no controlled demolition, only uncontrolled fucking morons running around with their big heads banging together ;D
If that's true, how could he have known it?
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A wise woman
Carroll completely DISRESPECTED a general.
You're an asshole.
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If that's true, how could he have known it?
Maybe he have a brains? I bet that he was knowing that situation then better than you know it now, and everything else is speculation by the foil hat stupidity.
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Maybe he have a brains? I bet that he was knowing that situation then better than you know it now, and everything else is speculation by the foil hat stupidity.
His brain would tell him he is removed from communication, and that he isn't psychic.
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His brain would tell him he is removed from communication, and that he isn't psychic.
So, what he could done? He didn't have a bat cave, or foil hat crystal ball to guide him to be a hero of the day. Shooting down all the airplanes would be bad policy, and those fucking suicide-ragheads didn't cooperate, so what to do? He went to help victims of the hit at the pentagon. How that chance things to worse?
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So, what he could done? He didn't have a bat cave, or foil hat crystal ball to guide him to be a hero of the day. Shooting down all the airplanes would be bad policy, and those fucking suicide-ragheads didn't cooperate, so what to do? He went to help victims of the hit at the pentagon. How that chance things to worse?
That's why rules are used, Ropo, because it's nearly the opposite of "shooting down all the airplanes", and it provides an indicator as to whether someone is cooperative.
If a plane takes a certain path, or it gets maneuvered in a way that's been determined as unacceptable, it needs to have been made clear beforehand what the reaction will be, as it is already moving at hundreds of miles per hour.
That's all Rumsfeld needed to commit himself to, and nothing else. Removing himself as a necessary authority to hand the matter over to the lower levels of military ought to have been immediate (as he finally did that morning, after the destruction had run its course), but he removed himself from communication, instead.
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That's why rules are used, Ropo, because it's nearly the opposite of "shooting down all the airplanes".
If a plane takes a certain path, or it gets maneuvered in a way that's been determined as unacceptable, it needs to have been made clear beforehand what the reaction will be, as it is already moving at hundreds of miles per hour.
That's all Rumsfeld needed to commit himself to, and nothing else. Removing himself as a necessary authority to hand the matter over to the lower levels of military ought to have been immediate (as he finally did that morning, after the destruction had run its course), but he removed himself from communication, instead.
Within minutes of Pane Stewart's plane not answering the FAA calls, a military Jet was sent up to investigate the situation. The military pilot flew right beside Stewarts plane and reported back that it was basically a ghost plane. How long did the terrorist have control of the planes that hit the towers and the pentagon?
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Within minutes of Pane Stewart's plane not answering the FAA calls, a military Jet was set up to investigate the situation. The military pilot flew right beside Stewarts plane and reported back that it was basically a ghost plane. How long did the terrorist have control of the planes that hit the towers and the pentagon?
There are explanations out there for that, whatever the worth. But the timeline as it played out was crazy slow, I know. Can't imagine that was intentional.
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Did Carroll disrespect the guy, or not. I'm not yet sure what to think about it.
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Four days ago I declared this thread dead. Don't make me turn this car around! >:(
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Did Carroll disrespect the guy, or not. I'm not yet sure what to think about it.
Who disrespects the military more? The left or a football coach?
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Coach, you're doing what I used to do with lefty actors and musicians: rationalizing.
Carroll sounds like a conspiracy kook, plain and simple. Respect his coaching, fine, but please don't try to defend or dismiss his offensive conspiracy bullshit. Cornering a military general with such nonsense is indefensible and disrespectful as fuck.
Love ya, Joe. Nothing personal.
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Who disrespects the military more? The left or a football coach?
Myself, I think no one is disrespected as much us, the citizens. That's my problem. I don't know exactly what Pete Carroll asked this person, but if the military man couldn't handle himself, I really wouldn't know what to say about it.
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By the way, pretty obvious there was some effort to make sure that blame wouldn't be offset away from outsiders, any further than to accuse entire agencies of being "too competitive" against one another.
Unless they were competing to see which could remain inactive, longer, it really doesn't make sense.
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Within minutes of Pane Stewart's plane not answering the FAA calls, a military Jet was set up to investigate the situation. The military pilot flew right beside Stewarts plane and reported back that it was basically a ghost plane. How long did the terrorist have control of the planes that hit the towers and the pentagon?
Good point you raise, btw, Snoman. Meant to mention that.
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That's why rules are used, Ropo, because it's nearly the opposite of "shooting down all the airplanes", and it provides an indicator as to whether someone is cooperative.
If a plane takes a certain path, or it gets maneuvered in a way that's been determined as unacceptable, it needs to have been made clear beforehand what the reaction will be, as it is already moving at hundreds of miles per hour.
That's all Rumsfeld needed to commit himself to, and nothing else. Removing himself as a necessary authority to hand the matter over to the lower levels of military ought to have been immediate (as he finally did that morning, after the destruction had run its course), but he removed himself from communication, instead.
And as we know by experience, people does not act rationally in chaotic situation like that. That is called a human error. What it means is if you build idiot proof system, there still will be an idiot who make it fail, because idiots improve their performance. What 9/11 clearly proves is that your defense system wasn't idiot proof by any means. Try to live with that fact ;D
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Within minutes of Pane Stewart's plane not answering the FAA calls, a military Jet was sent up to investigate the situation. The military pilot flew right beside Stewarts plane and reported back that it was basically a ghost plane. How long did the terrorist have control of the planes that hit the towers and the pentagon?
Within minutes? I quote: At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response." And then:
"About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane"
So what? So the plane was already on air, near to accident plane (8 nautical miles). 9:33 plane didn't response, and 9:38 they called F-16 to investigate situation (4 ½ minutes later). At 9:54 plane was at the side of the accident plane. That mean 20 minutes, even when that F-16 were already flying near by. In timeline of 9/11 that 20 minutes wouldn't chance a bit, because no one really know at that time what they were looking for. Pane Stewart's flight was on radar as flights normally do, so they didn't have to look where it is. Do you understand how big difference that is? And what I quoted was:
National Transportation Safety Board
Washington, D.C. 20594
Aircraft Accident Brief
Accident No.: DCA00MA005
aka Pane Stewart's flight.
Hope this help..
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And as we know by experience, people does not act rationally in chaotic situation like that. That is called a human error. What it means is if you build idiot proof system, there still will be an idiot who make it fail, because idiots improve their performance. What 9/11 clearly proves is that your defense system wasn't idiot proof by any means. Try to live with that fact ;D
Rumsfeld was connected with three others, Ropo.
Were they idiots, too?
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Rumsfeld was connected with three others, Ropo.
Were they idiots, too?
Apparently, because that is very common among Americans. As I say, whole military & organizations reaction about the 9/11 was the clusterfuck beyond any imagination. Rumsfeld did his part ok, just as those other idiots, and this is truth, no matter how you fold your foil hat. At least he wasn't running around screaming and waving his hands, but carrying stretchers and helping others. At that point he either has to know that it isn't any military force which has attack to USA, but some anonymous terrorist organization which you can't fight against at that time, or he must be mad. Take your pick ;D
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Apparently, because that is very common among Americans. As I say, whole military & organizations reaction about the 9/11 was the clusterfuck beyond any imagination. Rumsfeld did his part ok, just as those other idiots, and this is truth, no matter how you fold your foil hat. At least he wasn't running around screaming and waving his hands, but carrying stretchers and helping others. At that point he either has to know that it isn't any military force which has attack to USA, but some anonymous terrorist organization which you can't fight against at that time, or he must be mad. Take your pick ;D
So you'd feel confident in concluding that, without an investigation, Ropo.
Isn't that a far clearer example of idiocy?
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Jack T Cross = 240
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Funny you clowns think 9/11 was an inside job but can't fathom that Obama was born in Kenya and not an American citizen. lol
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Funny you clowns think 9/11 was an inside job but can't fathom that Obama was born in Kenya and not an American citizen. lol
I don't fathom either.
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Funny you clowns think 9/11 was an inside job but can't fathom that Obama was born in Kenya and not an American citizen. lol
I haven't made any comments on that, Coach. I don't know where Obama was, and when. No opinion.
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So you'd feel confident in concluding that, without an investigation, Ropo.
Isn't that a far clearer example of idiocy?
No. People do not need investigation for the things, which they can understand by common sense. You foil hat brats need investigations, because you can't comprehend these simple matters, because you don't have common sense. Instead of that, you use your abnormal imagination to make parallel reality, where everything has some insane and sinister meaning. That is called "mental illness", which make you unable to understand reality as it is. It is futile to blame me about it, it is all in your head ;D
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Funny you clowns think 9/11 was an inside job but can't fathom that Obama was born in Kenya and not an American citizen. lol
And now, show me the evidence which proves that without any doubts? Oh crap, you can't, because you haven't anything more than lies form the foil hat morons. I hate when that happens for a nice gay like you ;D
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No. People do not need investigation for the things, which they can understand by common sense. You foil hat brats need investigations, because you can't comprehend these simple matters, because you don't have common sense. Instead of that, you use your abnormal imagination to make parallel reality, where everything has some insane and sinister meaning. That is called "mental illness", which make you unable to understand reality as it is. It is futile to blame me about it, it is all in your head ;D
You say it is common sense to call it idiocy, because nobody would dare act in such a way deliberately, or...?
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You say it is common sense to call it idiocy, because nobody would dare act in such a way deliberately, or...?
You really starve to have the last word at this matter? Here you go: LAST WORD!
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Not everything is an conspiracy but all a conspiracy is anyhow is " a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful" to think strings don't get pulled behind the scenes and things are always as they seem is a bit naïve. Certain groups have their own interest in mind and will do things that go against your moral/ethic code to see to it that they achieve what they want. The drip feeds are often times far more delusional about matters then the tin foil hat tards
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Sad to see how many people don't see what is going on and how badly they're getting fucked all because they're content with their 9-5 and to distracted to care when they come home to their televisions.
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Sad to see how many people don't see what is going on and how badly they're getting fucked all because they're content with their 9-5 and to distracted to care when they come home to their televisions.
What exactly is going on that we don't see?
And how is it only you see it? Special inside news source or just that much smarter than the rest of us distracted 9 to 5ers?
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I and others "see" this because we've taken it upon ourselves to have be critical thinkers and to have researched into instead of blindly following along with popular opinion. Now tactics such as false flags ala 9/11 have been around and have been well documented for years. Go ahead and look into it for yourself. They are pre-planned orchestrated controlled events used to sway public opinion, governments have been using this tactic for years, again it's not made up tin foil hat nonsense you can find this documented.
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He's one of the most disrespectful people in the country - he accosted a general and badgered him until he left. Accused him of lies, of being part of some mass murder scheme and cover-up.
Look, a lot of people have questions about 911, a lot of republicans do too. A wise woman named Michelle Malkin brought them to the nation's attention in the foreign press in late 2001, and the loose change kids caught on and made a movie about it.
But they all STFU when they're dealing with one of the most highly decorated heroes in our country. They don't insult him with repeated conspiracy theory questions until he has to stand up and leave. They have their politics, their Qs, but to ask, ask, ask repeatedly... how uncomfortable.
Pete Carroll is one of the most disrespectful people I've ever seen.
Thank Zeus Pete didn't ask about the moon landings.
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I and others "see" this because we've taken it upon ourselves to have be critical thinkers and to have researched into instead of blindly following along with popular opinion. Now tactics such as false flags ala 9/11 have been around and have been well documented for years. Go ahead and look into it for yourself. They are pre-planned orchestrated controlled events used to sway public opinion, governments have been using this tactic for years, again it's not made up tin foil hat nonsense you can find this documented.
most people agree it's happened a lot throughout history. Reichtag fire, etc. I think most people just don't think our govt would do it. True, we now know Vietnam was started on a "middle mgmt paperwork error". We know 1898 was a big "mis-info" campaign to get us into a war. And there's a lot of evidence JFK was an orchestrated event - even in the unlikely case there was only one shooter, there was a network behind Oswald, Ruby to make him STFU, etc.
While it's happened before, there is a belief that "this particular one wasn't staged, they woudln't do something that big".
So they'd waste JFK, but not 3000 randompeople, whose deaths would open up decades of war with oil-rich nations, right as saudis kick out our bases and saddam drops the dollar? lol mmkay.
The smartest people will agree on one thing - WE DONT KNOW. We don't know that XYZ happened, as the loose change kids say. And we definitely know the 'official' story, called an underfunded whitewash by it's own authors, sure leaves out a lot of details. The fact people bought a shitload of stock and bet those 2 airlines would tank a day later - well, that goes beyond 19 pricks with boxcutters.
we don't know. we'll get details in another 55 years when it's declassified, but really we'll never know. Anyone who claims to know either way is just making shit up.
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most people agree it's happened a lot throughout history. Reichtag fire, etc. I think most people just don't think our govt would do it. True, we now know Vietnam was started on a "middle mgmt paperwork error". We know 1898 was a big "mis-info" campaign to get us into a war. And there's a lot of evidence JFK was an orchestrated event - even in the unlikely case there was only one shooter, there was a network behind Oswald, Ruby to make him STFU, etc.
While it's happened before, there is a belief that "this particular one wasn't staged, they woudln't do something that big".
So they'd waste JFK, but not 3000 randompeople, whose deaths would open up decades of war with oil-rich nations, right as saudis kick out our bases and saddam drops the dollar? lol mmkay.
The smartest people will agree on one thing - WE DONT KNOW. We don't know that XYZ happened, as the loose change kids say. And we definitely know the 'official' story, called an underfunded whitewash by it's own authors, sure leaves out a lot of details. The fact people bought a shitload of stock and bet those 2 airlines would tank a day later - well, that goes beyond 19 pricks with boxcutters.
we don't know. we'll get details in another 55 years when it's declassified, but really we'll never know. Anyone who claims to know either way is just making shit up.
At least we all agree that the 1980 and 81 Olympias were 100% legit ;D
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At least we all agree that the 1980 and 81 Olympias were 100% legit ;D
lol... mike mentzer was a CTer. Olympia inside job.
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Funny you clowns think 9/11 was an inside job but can't fathom that Obama was born in Kenya and not an American citizen. lol
that's the thing, Coach - Most, if not ALL of us, believe in some conspiracy theories.
You (and soul crusher, and me, and over 1/3 of americans) believe in the birther theory.
We believe our own president was born in another country. And that the state of hawaii is covering it up. And that the fed govt is covering it up. And that FOX news hosts are in on it. And that the networks are in on it. And all in congress are in on it.
The documents look shady as shit - we agree on that - but anytime you try to show people, they don't look at the forged-ass documents - they instantly revert to "oh yeah, right, we wouldn't do that". OR the crap line "Oh yeah, so ALL these people are covering it up!"
And you shake you head - cause you know the documents are shady as fck. And you know the people hating on your, they're ignorant, they haven't spent time looking at it, they're just laughing at some theory they know nothing about - and their reasons are absolute garbage.
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Most people are blissfully unaware of just how many rights they've given up due to these fear tactics
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You really starve to have the last word at this matter? Here you go: LAST WORD!
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Okay, Ropo. Thanks. It's been interesting.
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I and others "see" this because we've taken it upon ourselves to have be critical thinkers and to have researched into instead of blindly following along with popular opinion. Now tactics such as false flags ala 9/11 have been around and have been well documented for years. Go ahead and look into it for yourself. They are pre-planned orchestrated controlled events used to sway public opinion, governments have been using this tactic for years, again it's not made up tin foil hat nonsense you can find this documented.
A truther calling others blind is just impossible for me to take seriously. Many of us have looked into all this 'false flag' shit deeply, from a variety of sources, including your "not made up tin foil hat" attention whores. We usually end up accepting the most plausible version, which I'd imagine every fair-minded person should do. It NEVER comes from them, though. Jones, one of you boys, I'm sure, has a worse batting average than a one-armed American League pitcher.
Research, critical thinking, and blindly following works both ways, pal. Occam's Razor is sensical approach, might give'er a try.
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A truther calling others blind is just impossible for me to take seriously. Many of us have looked into all this 'false flag' shit deeply, from a variety of sources, including your "not made up tin foil hat" attention whores, and we usually end up accepting the most plausible version, which NEVER comes from them. Jones, one of you boys, I'm sure, has a worse batting average than a one-armed American League pitcher.
Research, critical thinking, and blindly following works both ways, pal. Occam's Razor is sensical approach, might give'er a try.
Actually more times than not, you end up accepting what you have been conditioned to accept. Television is where most derive their thoughts, opinions and ideas from and when they come across anything other than what they've been having force fed for years they simply can't or wont accept it. We don't live in a fairytale land full of lollipops and sugar canes there are bad people out there, some who are in positions of power and who do abuse this power, don't be so naïve in to think conspiracies haven't happened and wont continue to happen. Just because something goes against your moral code and ethics doesn't mean somebody else might not do it in a heart beat. Now if the well documented concepts of false flags are something you cant mentally digest and come to terms with after having done research yourself well then you fall under the category of people who I don't even bother attempting to discuss this sort of stuff with as you're to close minded and stuck in your pre-conditioned ways to be accept that maybe some of this has some merit.
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Actually more times than not, you end up accepting what you have been conditioned to accept. Television is where most derive their thoughts, opinions and ideas from and when they come across anything other than what they've been having force fed for years they simply can't or wont accept it. We don't live in a fairytale land full of lollipops and sugar canes there are bad people out there, some who are in positions of power and who do abuse this power, don't be so naïve in to think conspiracies haven't happened and wont continue to happen. Just because something goes against your moral code and ethics doesn't mean somebody else might not do it in a heart beat. Now if the well documented concepts of false flags are something you cant mentally digest and come to terms with after having done research yourself well then you fall under the category of people who I don't even bother attempting to discuss this sort of stuff with as you're to close minded and stuck in your pre-conditioned ways to be accept that maybe some of this has some merit.
I've already broken my rule by engaging you. Nothing in this world will help a single point you make penetrate my bullshit filter, so further discussion is pointless. I've heard all your stuff and you've heard all mine, yet here we remain unchanged an iota. You despise my sheepish naïveté, and I abhor your tin foil paranoia. No ground to gain.
We shall part forever, sir, a "sheep" and a "foiler," no harm done.
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I and others "see" this because we've taken it upon ourselves to have be critical thinkers and to have researched into instead of blindly following along with popular opinion. Now tactics such as false flags ala 9/11 have been around and have been well documented for years. Go ahead and look into it for yourself. They are pre-planned orchestrated controlled events used to sway public opinion, governments have been using this tactic for years, again it's not made up tin foil hat nonsense you can find this documented.
And now when you have put your neck out for cutting, please let me ask you this question:
I have been researching in my humble way many of these conspiracy theories, and what I have found out is one common factor among all of them. I haven't been able to find any fucking kind of real and concrete evidence about even one of those theories. Instead of that, I have been found lots of ridiculous lies, piles of complete bullshit and pools of crap, which you "critical thinkers" aka "foil hat morons" believe to be truth. So here is my question: where is the evidence? I don't mean that crap and non proved claims what you morons use to fill the internet, but real things and solid evidence? If you are a critical thinker, why it never bother you, that you never see any evidence about these false flags, 9/11 etc. so called conspiracies? Are you able to understand, that it isn't enough if you point your finger somewhere and claim that what has happen, is result of conspiracy or false flag operation? You should have something to prove it is what you claim it is, and if you don't have anything but doubts of the so called critical thinker = foil hat moron, you are just an asshole passing wind.
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Not sure what it means to be "looking for theories" to "research".
There are exactly two meaningful theories:
*American citizens were not involved with the crime.
*American citizens were involved with the crime.
No opening should exist that cannot be attached to a reasonable explanation. In the case related to Rumsfeld, a Mack could be driven through the opening. It absolutely begs to be answered, and loudly.
So if anyone wants to show why an investigation isn't necessary versus the facts, and do it as though you're addressing the loved ones of the victims and all the American people, then do it.
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And now when you have put your neck out for cutting, please let me ask you this question:
I have been researching in my humble way many of these conspiracy theories, and what I have found out is one common factor among all of them. I haven't been able to find any fucking kind of real and concrete evidence about even one of those theories. Instead of that, I have been found lots of ridiculous lies, piles of complete bullshit and pools of crap, which you "critical thinkers" aka "foil hat morons" believe to be truth. So here is my question: where is the evidence? I don't mean that crap and non proved claims what you morons use to fill the internet, but real things and solid evidence? If you are a critical thinker, why it never bother you, that you never see any evidence about these false flags, 9/11 etc. so called conspiracies? Are you able to understand, that it isn't enough if you point your finger somewhere and claim that what has happen, is result of conspiracy or false flag operation? You should have something to prove it is what you claim it is, and if you don't have anything but doubts of the so called critical thinker = foil hat moron, you are just an asshole passing wind.
If the risk is that resistance was withheld (it is), and the evidence clearly shows that resistance did not take place (it does): what else would you expect to see?
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Read "Killing Patton". WWll. What hit me hardest was that we left several thousand GIs behind in Soviet run prisons. Their families thought they were MIA or simply blown to non identifiable pieces.
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If the risk is that resistance was withheld (it is), and the evidence clearly shows that resistance did not take place (it does): what else would you expect to see?
You can't say that evidence clearly shows this or that, when there isn't any evidence what so ever, and this is main problem in all foil hat theories. Instead of talking about the non existent evidence, they should even once in the lifetime show them instead just talking about them ;D
Or do you mean that the lack of evidence is the evidence itself? Plot is so secret that there is none evidence what so ever? So, how do you know about it? How the hell that happen? Let me see, you were sitting in your yard poking dog crap with the stick, and this theory rise on your mind as clear as the smell of the shit? That is called imagination, and none theory should have been build just on that ;D
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You can't say that evidence clearly shows this or that, when there isn't any evidence what so ever, and this is main problem in all foil hat theories. Instead of talking about the non existent evidence, they should even once in the lifetime show them instead just talking about them ;D
Or do you mean that the lack of evidence is the evidence itself? Plot is so secret that there is none evidence what so ever? So, how do you know about it? How the hell that happen? Let me see, you were sitting in your yard poking dog crap with the stick, and this theory rise on your mind as clear as the smell of the shit? That is called imagination, and none theory should have been build just on that ;D
Then how did you conclude they're idiots?
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that's the thing, Coach - Most, if not ALL of us, believe in some conspiracy theories.
You (and soul crusher, and me, and over 1/3 of americans) believe in the birther theory.
We believe our own president was born in another country. And that the state of hawaii is covering it up. And that the fed govt is covering it up. And that FOX news hosts are in on it. And that the networks are in on it. And all in congress are in on it.
The documents look shady as shit - we agree on that - but anytime you try to show people, they don't look at the forged-ass documents - they instantly revert to "oh yeah, right, we wouldn't do that". OR the crap line "Oh yeah, so ALL these people are covering it up!"
And you shake you head - cause you know the documents are shady as fck. And you know the people hating on your, they're ignorant, they haven't spent time looking at it, they're just laughing at some theory they know nothing about - and their reasons are absolute garbage.
Huh? Careful, Rob.
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Then how did you conclude they're idiots?
I didn't say that, I just point out the fact that you are an idiot. Why? Because you try to argue about the situation which you and none of us outsiders have even the faintest possibility to understand, because we wasn't there. You are right, there was rules which they not obey, there were things which went wrong and people acting stupidly, but there is also the reason for all that. They were in the middle of the most shocking event of decades, so the lack of the ability follow the rules and command chains make them act like idiots. That is called the "human behavior" and it is installed inside just about all of us. You surely can expect that their status and training overcome that behavior, but it shouldn't be surprise if it doesn't. Rumsfeld is a politician, not a soldier, so he hasn't even have a training or the experience about the combat- situation, so how you can expect he will act rationally and follow instructions when shit hit the fan? He choose like politician and went to help victims knowing that there is cameras and newspapers recording his heroism. Fucker choose wrong way, no doubt about that, but what would be changed if he didn't? Nothing, because attack was just about over at that time. We have no way of knowing what kind of information he have at that time, but we know the timeframe, and by that we know that there wasn't anything he could do to change the outcome. This is the truth, no matter which way you fold your foil hat ;D
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I didn't say that, I just point out the fact that you are an idiot. Why? Because you try to argue about the situation which you and none of us outsiders have even the faintest possibility to understand, because we wasn't there. You are right, there was rules which they not obey, there were things which went wrong and people acting stupidly, but there is also the reason for all that. They were in the middle of the most shocking event of decades, so the lack of the ability follow the rules and command chains make them act like idiots. That is called the "human behavior" and it is installed inside just about all of us. You surely can expect that their status and training overcome that behavior, but it shouldn't be surprise if it doesn't. Rumsfeld is a politician, not a soldier, so he hasn't even have a training or the experience about the combat- situation, so how you can expect he will act rationally and follow instructions when shit hit the fan? He choose like politician and went to help victims knowing that there is cameras and newspapers recording his heroism. Fucker choose wrong way, no doubt about that, but what would be changed if he didn't? Nothing, because attack was just about over at that time. We have no way of knowing what kind of information he have at that time, but we know the timeframe, and by that we know that there wasn't anything he could do to change the outcome. This is the truth, no matter which way you fold your foil hat ;D
Information, regarding...?
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Information, regarding...?
That clusterfuck which he was a part at that time. You want to continue this futile nitpicking at the end of the world? It is evident that my language skills isn't enough to explain this to the person who has serious difficulties to understand reality, so why don't you ask somebody with the high enough mental capacity read it to you ;D
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And now when you have put your neck out for cutting, please let me ask you this question:
I have been researching in my humble way many of these conspiracy theories, and what I have found out is one common factor among all of them. I haven't been able to find any fucking kind of real and concrete evidence about even one of those theories. Instead of that, I have been found lots of ridiculous lies, piles of complete bullshit and pools of crap, which you "critical thinkers" aka "foil hat morons" believe to be truth. So here is my question: where is the evidence? I don't mean that crap and non proved claims what you morons use to fill the internet, but real things and solid evidence? If you are a critical thinker, why it never bother you, that you never see any evidence about these false flags, 9/11 etc. so called conspiracies? Are you able to understand, that it isn't enough if you point your finger somewhere and claim that what has happen, is result of conspiracy or false flag operation? You should have something to prove it is what you claim it is, and if you don't have anything but doubts of the so called critical thinker = foil hat moron, you are just an asshole passing wind.
Surely given your research you've stumbled across the likes of some examples such as Watergate, Operation Northwoods, Project MKUltra, Operation Mockingbird etc. There is plenty of documentation given those for starters. Perhaps you would need to hear this from a news reporters mouth over the idiot box for the wheels to start turning. Given they have pulled stuff like this in the past and been caught, I'm not so sure why it would be so hard for you to believe they might pull similar acts in the future.
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Surely given your research you've stumbled across the likes of some examples such as Watergate, Operation Northwoods, Project MKUltra, Operation Mockingbird etc. There is plenty of documentation given those for starters. Perhaps you would need to hear this from a news reporters mouth over the idiot box for the wheels to start turning. Given they have pulled stuff like this in the past and been caught, I'm not so sure why it would be so hard for you to believe they might pull similar acts in the future.
First you refer "false flags ala 9/11 have been around and have been well documented" and when I challenge you, you pull out these ancient fully public cases, which has never being a part of the conspiracy theory speculation? Did you lost your nerve? I was waiting that you are able to prove that 9/11 was a false flag operation, as you so bravely claim earlier. Both of us knows well what is the difference between claimed false flag ops like sandy hook, 9/11, moon landing etc. and these examples of yours. These ancient ones has been proved by hard evidence, while for example 9/11 you don't have even a shred of evidence to prove there was some kind of false flag operation. All "critical thinking" should be based on the concrete evidence, not on the rumors and lies like claims about the 9/11 conspiracy ;D
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First you refer "false flags ala 9/11 have been around and have been well documented" and when I challenge you, you pull out these ancient fully public cases, which has never being a part of the conspiracy theory speculation? Did you lost your nerve? I was waiting that you are able to prove that 9/11 was a false flag operation, as you so bravely claim earlier. Both of us knows well what is the difference between claimed false flag ops like sandy hook, 9/11, moon landing etc. and these examples of yours. These ancient ones has been proved by hard evidence, while for example 9/11 you don't have even a shred of evidence to prove there was some kind of false flag operation. All "critical thinking" should be based on the concrete evidence, not on the rumors and lies like claims about the 9/11 conspiracy ;D
I was merely reminding you that the supposed people who you and others imply and claim couldn't possible do this or that because they haven't delivered a hand written confession to your door step have done wrong in the past and will continue to do so in the future. Now surely you're not implying that 9/11, sandy hook or the moon landing etc couldn't have possibly been compromised and spun to better suit somebodies special interest or agenda, I couldn't imagine a full grown adult having such a mindset, much more reminiscent of a young naïve kid.
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Here's the thing. From the perspective of whatever entity, holding an interest in a successful 9/11:
** The individual attacks were meant to happen nearer in time to one another, than what took place (*see below). An attempt to cause the series of attacks was due to happen by momentum alone, as the offending individuals were aboard with the plan and presumably set to act (some, literally aboard airplanes). There could not be a do-over in the future, obviously, as the security loophole would become exploited upon the first attack. In other words: Failure at that point was not an option.
The shorter the time from beginning to end, the less apparent inaction would be. The longer the span of time from beginning to end, the more apparent that behavior, necessary to the goal, could and should be. (*no matter what particular beliefs are attached: a shorter attack time would increase the probability for success, as it is competing for the reaction time against itself - true, no matter which individuals were compliant with the plan, as nearly every other individual had/has legitimate intentions)
** Mr. Secretary and others would likely not have had prior knowledge of certainly the time and/or date, as it would be impossible - even for themselves - to control whether they would begin to act differently than otherwise, knowing a catastrophic event is immediately approaching.
Once the first plane hit the building, the event itself was in forward motion, and it became a matter of behaving in a way that did not offer resistance against what was happening. Nothing else was required. The fact that the event played out in the manner that it did, exaggerated the behavior to a point that the intent simply cannot be denied without answers that only an investigation could attempt to find.
** The ultimate goal is linked with an otherwise-unlawful access to information, which makes awareness, which decides power. We had reached a time in our existence where the potentially devilish lure of technology had become directly pitted against our rightful expectation for privacy, and 911 became a bloody, burned, tragic showdown within that effect.
Unacceptable concentration of power through ever-increasing, ever-faster means, is the most immediate and dangerous threat among so very many, and not necessarily the compromising of the typical person's email and phone calls - contrary to popular and ridiculous belief by the "Oh, but my email and calls are soooo BOR-ING...surveillance doesn't bother me!!" crowd.
Call the entire matter a message from God, if you will, because there is no denying it.
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Pete Carroll... not a great call in the final moments of the game :(
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A superbowl and technically two national championships and one of the most inspiring people I have ever met. That being said...who gives a shit. Like 240's lib buddies....this thread failed. Pete can flat out coach.
no doubt that he can coach but questioning whether 9/11 happened or not is pretty far out there................... ........................ .......................w ait a sec...after that strange goal line call last night I think I have to re-think as to whether he can coach or not ;D
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Pete Carroll... not a great call in the final moments of the game :(
Somewhere out there, a 4 star general is smiling.
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This was a big loss for 9/11 truthers everywhere. Pete, who is easily the most recognizable truther on the planet, made the worst call in Super Bowl history. It shows how boneheaded these truthers are.
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more poor decision making from Carroll today.
Onside kick to start OT, that's the mentality of a liberal obama supporting pothead.
I'm surprised he didn't take time to praise the Iran treaty before blowing this game.
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Roger Goodell needs to be brought up on charges
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Roger Goodell needs to be brought up on charges
worse commissioner ever
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worse commissioner ever
Not sure if it says so in the video, because it seemed to be about deflate gate, but I heard one of his interviews where he talks about the game not being the cause of long term brain injury in people who suffer concussion during a game. Lol, does he really believe it? I know he needs to tow the line in order to deflect monetary responsibility, but all you need to do is plead the fifth or something. How does he sleep at night?
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Not sure if it says so in the video, because it seemed to be about deflate gate, but I heard one of his interviews where he talks about the game not being the cause of long term brain injury in people who suffer concussion during a game. Lol, does he really believe it? I know he needs to tow the line in order to deflect monetary responsibility, but all you need to do is plead the fifth or something. How does he sleep at night?
Goodell is a sociopath.
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more poor decision making from Carroll today.
Onside kick to start OT, that's the mentality of a liberal obama supporting pothead.
I'm surprised he didn't take time to praise the Iran treaty before blowing this game.
Gee, I wonder I how I knew it was you that resurrected and started trolling it.
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Gee, I wonder I how I knew it was you that resurrected and started trolling it.
some people think Caroll is a genius. Other realize he's just a 911 nutjob that cheated in NCAA and used adderall/underpaid QB for greatness.
It's 2015 and they were one freak play away from being down 14 points in the 4th quarter. Then an onside kick to start OT? Without the adderall, they just can't think quick on their feet anymore.
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some people think Caroll is a genius. Other realize he's just a 911 nutjob that cheated in NCAA and used adderall/underpaid QB for greatness.
It's 2015 and they were one freak play away from being down 14 points in the 4th quarter. Then an onside kick to start OT? Without the adderall, they just can't think quick on their feet anymore.
One Super Bowl win, two consectutive Super Bowl appearances, three nationals championships is all I care about.
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One Super Bowl win, two consectutive Super Bowl appearances, three nationals championships is all I care about.
that says it all.