Why is it a shanda for the goyim AG?
As you well know there were a number of the very orthodox who originally opposed the formation of the state of Isreal because technically it's opposed in the old testament...that there should be no Isreal until the time of the Messiah. But they later embraced both the idea and the place itself.
Everyone should be entitled to their religious/political beliefs. I don't think Evangelical Christians should be beaten by more secular Christians... et cetera, et cetera. Just an opinion.
I've actually met a few of these guys, and while crackpotish, they don't really seem (or look) like fighting men. They carry signs, not big clubs. Maybe because I'm a woman, I find violence in general abhorrent. I can imagine how frightening it is, and how much it must hurt, to be set upon by a crowd of angry men. I find it odd that they saw nothing wrong in saying that removing his hat and coat made him seem less like a Jew. I also find something fundamentally wrong with high fiving it at schul later.
Shanda fur die goy = shaming jews in front of non-jews, not shame for the goy.
While some equivocate about what Ahmadinejad was trying to do w his "conference," any reasonable person would agree that at the very least it was an affront to the memory of the Jews who did die. To go to that conference and embrace Ahmadinejad = shanda fur die goy. Using dead jews to fulfill some orthodox agenda in front of non-jews.
Everyone can have their beliefs/opinions, but are they all deserving of equal protection? Why do you think the Polish police stood by and did nothing?
And equating the situation to an altercation b/w Christians in the US is naive . . . the Jews who beat him have been directly threatened by Ahmadinejad on more than one occasion.
Finally--and this is not directed at you DeeDee--using the term "Zionism" now that Israel is an established nation is
at best naive . . . What is implied by the term is that the nation has no good reason to exist . . . b/c it only exists as the result of a Zionist conspiracy. Also implied is the notion that the conspiracy should be undone by letting the Palestinians have "their" land back. And how exactly is this to be accomplished? Ahmadinejad probably has a couple of ideas.
