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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: falco on April 17, 2024, 07:14:09 AM
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Marco Luis, aka Monster, ‘most shredded bodybuilder ever,’ dead at 46
(https://images.impresa.pt/sicnot/2024-04-17-culturista-portugues-marco-luis-62279e01)
Last Sunday. Died during a competition from what i understood.
His name was Marco Luís aka "monstro".
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Professionalmuscle mentioned him just now, used to post there and was *extreme*
"5 grams" and everything and anything else.
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Can't find anything on this.
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Can't find anything on this.
https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/monstro-marco-luis-rip.181087/
But if all the drugs are fake and watered down test at best, and bought out of the trunk of a car after being brewed from fake Chinese raw materials in some guys bathtub AS YOU CONSTANTLY KEEP SAYING, maybe his demise had nothing to do with drugs... what do you think?
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Can't find anything on this.
I could post some links, but they are all in portuguese.
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(https://images.impresa.pt/sicnot/2024-04-17-culturista-portugues-marco-luis-62279e01)
Last Sunday. Died during a competition from what i understood.
His name was Marco Luís "monstro".
He seized up at FIBO... Not sure if he was competing. He's been posting his outrageous drug-stacks for a long time online.
(Never going off). It wasn't a surprise to most when they heard he dropped.
The guy lived (and died) bodybuilding.
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Looks like a retard.
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Let's not blame the steroids guys.
But was he vaccinated? ;D
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Big "Bat Boy" energy from that pic -
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wvgazettemail.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/b7/db7ba5a3-a614-53d2-b691-4151c13b1126/5d70305e6dd46.image.jpg?resize=429%2C500).
RIP.
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Looks like a retard.
LOL :D
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swollen ankles and feet from failing heart I'm guessing. Since he died suddenly.
failing kidneys is a dragged out death.
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https://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/index.php?threads/monstro-marco-luis-rip.181087/
But if all the drugs are fake and watered down test at best, and bought out of the trunk of a car after being brewed from fake Chinese raw materials in some guys bathtub AS YOU CONSTANTLY KEEP SAYING, maybe his demise had nothing to do with drugs... what do you think?
What I think is that you think illogically. Obviously he was on a ton of steroids and other drugs. What I'm saying is when steroids were produced in legitimate US pharmaceutical factories like CIBA, the stuff was legit and powerful. Now you don't know what you are getting from the trunk of a car at your gym. Looks legit because there is big money to be made. I will say it again. In the 60's,70's and part of the 80's, Dianabol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were powerful. Guys say they are using dianabol in ridiculous quantities now thinking it's the same stuff made by CIBA when it's junk in potency. I get it. You're a fan of taking drugs to look good walking around impressing the clueless and digs to your life style hurts your ego.
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Big "Bat Boy" energy from that pic -
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wvgazettemail.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/b7/db7ba5a3-a614-53d2-b691-4151c13b1126/5d70305e6dd46.image.jpg?resize=429%2C500).
RIP.
this is what he gets for his trouble lol
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Eggs kill.
(https://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/nancy-reagan-just-say-no.gif)
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What I think is that you think illogically. Obviously he was on a ton of steroids and other drugs. What I'm saying is when steroids were produced in legitimate US pharmaceutical factories like CIBA, the stuff was legit and powerful. Now you don't know what you are getting from the trunk of a car at your gym. Looks legit because there is big money to be made. I will say it again. In the 60's,70's and part of the 80's, Dianabol, Anadrol 50 and Anavar were powerful. Guys say they are using dianabol in ridiculous quantities now thinking it's the same stuff made by CIBA when it's junk in potency. I get it. You're a fan of taking drugs to look good walking around impressing the clueless and digs to your life style hurts your ego.
The simple problem with what you're saying is that you have zero substantive basis for what you're saying. You are simply supposing things, wrongly.
These are facts:
- Real steroids are made in countries like China.
- They are dirt cheap to produce.
- Quality has been assessed by customs and government labs in the west, such as the US and Europe.
- Quality testing is accessible to even the the end consumer.
- Quality is constantly checked by dealers and distributors as well as some end consumers. This is demanded by the market currently.
- Drug testing orgs like WADA are constantly exerting political pressure on countries manufacturing PEDs because all athletes use these same labs to produce their PEDs and you can also simply order *custom synthesis* of any PED that's never even been on the market if you simply have the chemical formula. All these "SARMs" have never been sold anywhere as drugs but they are popping up on drug tests by WADA et al.
- In many cases underground PEDs are actually overdosed, simply because the raw material costs nothing (the cost for an underground lab is in procuring the drug and getting it through customs) and because every lab wants to have the most "potent" products. Some growth hormone products, which is notoriously expensive and hard to produce, have been shown to sometimes contain, for example, 15 units per vial instead of the advertised 10 units.
Now, where you have a point is in that you lack several quality control steps where "mistakes" with compounds can occur and where some shady outfits may move some expensive compound they switched to a cheaper one. None of this means there is no access to real, pure chemical raw materials, how hard is this for you to comprehend? If I order a steroid powder by myself from China, and then send it to an independent lab for quality control testing, why is that compound fake anyways? It makes no sense.
And further, as you know, testosterone level testing is extremely common these days and accurate. Will you accept that? If then innumerable consumers have tested their levels on underground as well as US pharmacy prescribed test and it comes back as saying the UG is exactly just as potent, how is the test fake then? And would you believe, many consumers have had relatively bad labs on many pharmacy brands of testosterone... showing that even they aren't always perfect. In fact, many drugs allow 10% variation in drug content, so for example a legit test could theoretically be 180mg instead of 200mg and still pass quality control. So of course a UG test that is overdosed like say 280mg instead of 250mg ould seem more potent than a pharmacy brand.
You are simply out of your depth here. You can't prove any of your assertions. You saying guys "blew up" on 50mg of Anadrol back in the day is just romantic wishful thinking. If not, show us these blown up physiques lol. Go look at Pumping Iron, they all looked like what "naturals" do today. Then go to a current pro show and look at the fake drug physiques and compare to the 200mg of real Deca and 15mg of Ciba Dianabol physiques back in the day lol.
This is another novel length post but I'm just trying to get these points through your thick skull.
And I'm not defending drugs because drugs make me "look good." I look like shit, all this is beside the point.
EDIT: and why is it obvious the fella was on a lot of drugs? If you look at his posts on forums he got most all his drugs from underground sources. There is no TREN from any human use above ground laboratory just as an example. It's ALL from CHINA. He said he could buy growth hormone from a Portuguese pharmacy for 210 bucks a pen but as he said, why would he as he could get underground tested GH four times cheaper and thus could afford to take many times more.
Is this what you mean by REAL ANADROL? Is the 2nd pic FAKE ANADROL
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Turned out to be the finishing touch after all.
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Some of the worst teeth I’ve ever seen
Bald, rotting teeth, ugly, him dying is the best outcome
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Turned out to be the finishing touch after all.
:D
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Sorry for your loss, Falco. On the bright side, you moved up one spot for the best-built man in Portugal rankings.
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The simple problem with what you're saying is that you have zero substantive basis for what you're saying. You are simply supposing things, wrongly.
These are facts:
- Real steroids are made in countries like China.
- They are dirt cheap to produce.
- Quality has been assessed by customs and government labs in the west, such as the US and Europe.
- Quality testing is accessible to even the the end consumer.
- Quality is constantly checked by dealers and distributors as well as some end consumers. This is demanded by the market currently.
- Drug testing orgs like WADA are constantly exerting political pressure on countries manufacturing PEDs because all athletes use these same labs to produce their PEDs and you can also simply order *custom synthesis* of any PED that's never even been on the market if you simply have the chemical formula. All these "SARMs" have never been sold anywhere as drugs but they are popping up on drug tests by WADA et al.
- In many cases underground PEDs are actually overdosed, simply because the raw material costs nothing (the cost for an underground lab is in procuring the drug and getting it through customs) and because every lab wants to have the most "potent" products. Some growth hormone products, which is notoriously expensive and hard to produce, have been shown to sometimes contain, for example, 15 units per vial instead of the advertised 10 units.
Now, where you have a point is in that you lack several quality control steps where "mistakes" with compounds can occur and where some shady outfits may move some expensive compound they switched to a cheaper one. None of this means there is no access to real, pure chemical raw materials, how hard is this for you to comprehend? If I order a steroid powder by myself from China, and then send it to an independent lab for quality control testing, why is that compound fake anyways? It makes no sense.
And further, as you know, testosterone level testing is extremely common these days and accurate. Will you accept that? If then innumerable consumers have tested their levels on underground as well as US pharmacy prescribed test and it comes back as saying the UG is exactly just as potent, how is the test fake then? And would you believe, many consumers have had relatively bad labs on many pharmacy brands of testosterone... showing that even they aren't always perfect. In fact, many drugs allow 10% variation in drug content, so for example a legit test could theoretically be 180mg instead of 200mg and still pass quality control. So of course a UG test that is overdosed like say 280mg instead of 250mg ould seem more potent than a pharmacy brand.
You are simply out of your depth here. You can't prove any of your assertions. You saying guys "blew up" on 50mg of Anadrol back in the day is just romantic wishful thinking. If not, show us these blown up physiques lol. Go look at Pumping Iron, they all looked like what "naturals" do today. Then go to a current pro show and look at the fake drug physiques and compare to the 200mg of real Deca and 15mg of Ciba Dianabol physiques back in the day lol.
This is another novel length post but I'm just trying to get these points through your thick skull.
And I'm not defending drugs because drugs make me "look good." I look like shit, all this is beside the point.
EDIT: and why is it obvious the fella was on a lot of drugs? If you look at his posts on forums he got most all his drugs from underground sources. There is no TREN from any human use above ground laboratory just as an example. It's ALL from CHINA. He said he could buy growth hormone from a Portuguese pharmacy for 210 bucks a pen but as he said, why would he as he could get underground tested GH four times cheaper and thus could afford to take many times more.
Is this what you mean by REAL ANADROL? Is the 2nd pic FAKE ANADROL
I GET WHAT YOU SAY ...and agree on most,but old school builds are hardly even remotley close to what a natural can ever achieve,i know you were being part facetious ,yes builds then to now are totally different in retrospect..
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Fortress is enjoying this thread. ;D
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Overdosed on BO
PIP
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Eggs kill.
(https://abovethelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/nancy-reagan-just-say-no.gif)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Saw where he was on 1400 MG after tren a week....now that's overkill. I'm guessing that he was no fun to be around
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One must assume that in honor of this noble matador of the mankini, all Sybian’s worldwide will only thrust at half mast for the rest of this week. Fuque this imitation Mini-Munzer.
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I GET WHAT YOU SAY ...and agree on most,but old school builds are hardly even remotley close to what a natural can ever achieve,i know you were being part facetious ,yes builds then to now are totally different in retrospect..
Exactly, I was being facetious. Zane and Arnold were the pinnacle of blown up roid physiques at the time, totally beyond "natural," just making the point that his fantasies about regular guys "blowing up" on those low doses were just that, romaticised fantasies. MIND you, a tab of Anadrol was and IS potent for a steroid, Matt C here showed that he put on some size on even just half a tab of FAKE CHINESE Anadrol lol.
He just doesn't get it, everyone uses China crap, all the pros use "bathtub" steroids, they don't have any special connects. Now that I think of it, Iran does have a nice Anadrol lol, but there's nothing extra special about it. I've used pharma Anadrol too, like the Turkish Anapolon and Greek Oxybolone and Thai Androlic, it's all the same shit.
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Dafuk is this polemic about. Anadrol is Anadrol,it's dirt cheap to produce and not really much faked. It does not do miracles either. Fuck
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I don't understand why bald manlets even bother with putting their health on the line for gains. Their gains will serve no purpose. Like putting lipstick on a pig
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I don't understand why bald manlets even bother with putting their health on the line for gains. Their gains will serve no purpose. Like putting lipstick on a pig
Because they are small men who are trying hard to be big men which they never will be
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Because they are small men who are trying hard to be big men which they never will be
weird. I understand looking after yourself even if you are hopeless but not destroying yourself for nothing.
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The simple problem with what you're saying is that you have zero substantive basis for what you're saying. You are simply supposing things, wrongly.
These are facts:
- Real steroids are made in countries like China.
- They are dirt cheap to produce.
- Quality has been assessed by customs and government labs in the west, such as the US and Europe.
- Quality testing is accessible to even the the end consumer.
- Quality is constantly checked by dealers and distributors as well as some end consumers. This is demanded by the market currently.
- Drug testing orgs like WADA are constantly exerting political pressure on countries manufacturing PEDs because all athletes use these same labs to produce their PEDs and you can also simply order *custom synthesis* of any PED that's never even been on the market if you simply have the chemical formula. All these "SARMs" have never been sold anywhere as drugs but they are popping up on drug tests by WADA et al.
- In many cases underground PEDs are actually overdosed, simply because the raw material costs nothing (the cost for an underground lab is in procuring the drug and getting it through customs) and because every lab wants to have the most "potent" products. Some growth hormone products, which is notoriously expensive and hard to produce, have been shown to sometimes contain, for example, 15 units per vial instead of the advertised 10 units.
Now, where you have a point is in that you lack several quality control steps where "mistakes" with compounds can occur and where some shady outfits may move some expensive compound they switched to a cheaper one. None of this means there is no access to real, pure chemical raw materials, how hard is this for you to comprehend? If I order a steroid powder by myself from China, and then send it to an independent lab for quality control testing, why is that compound fake anyways? It makes no sense.
And further, as you know, testosterone level testing is extremely common these days and accurate. Will you accept that? If then innumerable consumers have tested their levels on underground as well as US pharmacy prescribed test and it comes back as saying the UG is exactly just as potent, how is the test fake then? And would you believe, many consumers have had relatively bad labs on many pharmacy brands of testosterone... showing that even they aren't always perfect. In fact, many drugs allow 10% variation in drug content, so for example a legit test could theoretically be 180mg instead of 200mg and still pass quality control. So of course a UG test that is overdosed like say 280mg instead of 250mg ould seem more potent than a pharmacy brand.
You are simply out of your depth here. You can't prove any of your assertions. You saying guys "blew up" on 50mg of Anadrol back in the day is just romantic wishful thinking. If not, show us these blown up physiques lol. Go look at Pumping Iron, they all looked like what "naturals" do today. Then go to a current pro show and look at the fake drug physiques and compare to the 200mg of real Deca and 15mg of Ciba Dianabol physiques back in the day lol.
This is another novel length post but I'm just trying to get these points through your thick skull.
And I'm not defending drugs because drugs make me "look good." I look like shit, all this is beside the point.
EDIT: and why is it obvious the fella was on a lot of drugs? If you look at his posts on forums he got most all his drugs from underground sources. There is no TREN from any human use above ground laboratory just as an example. It's ALL from CHINA. He said he could buy growth hormone from a Portuguese pharmacy for 210 bucks a pen but as he said, why would he as he could get underground tested GH four times cheaper and thus could afford to take many times more.
Is this what you mean by REAL ANADROL? Is the 2nd pic FAKE ANADROL
Van owning oldtimer who has no clue about gear
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Van owning oldtimer who has no clue about gear
A well deserved owning at that. Not sure why oldgeezer felt compelled to attack Van.
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I don't understand why bald manlets even bother with putting their health on the line for gains. Their gains will serve no purpose. Like putting lipstick on a pig
Right...he was taking diuretics yr round for his swollen feet and ankles. From what I read his urine was putrid and he texted his guru..found out his kidneys were failing n kept blasting anway. He was doing up to 70-100us of insulin 3x's a day and 20 ius of GH
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Big "Bat Boy" energy from that pic -
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/wvgazettemail.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/b7/db7ba5a3-a614-53d2-b691-4151c13b1126/5d70305e6dd46.image.jpg?resize=429%2C500).
RIP.
hahahaha
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Some of the worst teeth I’ve ever seen
Bald, rotting teeth, ugly, him dying is the best outcome
Nowhere near as bad as Erik Frankenwhatever. Who claimed that he refused to get any dental work because "I am not changing the way God made me". Despite changing everything from the nose down.
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The simple problem with what you're saying is that you have zero substantive basis for what you're saying. You are simply supposing things, wrongly.
These are facts:
- Real steroids are made in countries like China.
- They are dirt cheap to produce.
- Quality has been assessed by customs and government labs in the west, such as the US and Europe.
- Quality testing is accessible to even the the end consumer.
- Quality is constantly checked by dealers and distributors as well as some end consumers. This is demanded by the market currently.
- Drug testing orgs like WADA are constantly exerting political pressure on countries manufacturing PEDs because all athletes use these same labs to produce their PEDs and you can also simply order *custom synthesis* of any PED that's never even been on the market if you simply have the chemical formula. All these "SARMs" have never been sold anywhere as drugs but they are popping up on drug tests by WADA et al.
- In many cases underground PEDs are actually overdosed, simply because the raw material costs nothing (the cost for an underground lab is in procuring the drug and getting it through customs) and because every lab wants to have the most "potent" products. Some growth hormone products, which is notoriously expensive and hard to produce, have been shown to sometimes contain, for example, 15 units per vial instead of the advertised 10 units.
Now, where you have a point is in that you lack several quality control steps where "mistakes" with compounds can occur and where some shady outfits may move some expensive compound they switched to a cheaper one. None of this means there is no access to real, pure chemical raw materials, how hard is this for you to comprehend? If I order a steroid powder by myself from China, and then send it to an independent lab for quality control testing, why is that compound fake anyways? It makes no sense.
And further, as you know, testosterone level testing is extremely common these days and accurate. Will you accept that? If then innumerable consumers have tested their levels on underground as well as US pharmacy prescribed test and it comes back as saying the UG is exactly just as potent, how is the test fake then? And would you believe, many consumers have had relatively bad labs on many pharmacy brands of testosterone... showing that even they aren't always perfect. In fact, many drugs allow 10% variation in drug content, so for example a legit test could theoretically be 180mg instead of 200mg and still pass quality control. So of course a UG test that is overdosed like say 280mg instead of 250mg ould seem more potent than a pharmacy brand.
You are simply out of your depth here. You can't prove any of your assertions. You saying guys "blew up" on 50mg of Anadrol back in the day is just romantic wishful thinking. If not, show us these blown up physiques lol. Go look at Pumping Iron, they all looked like what "naturals" do today. Then go to a current pro show and look at the fake drug physiques and compare to the 200mg of real Deca and 15mg of Ciba Dianabol physiques back in the day lol.
This is another novel length post but I'm just trying to get these points through your thick skull.
And I'm not defending drugs because drugs make me "look good." I look like shit, all this is beside the point.
EDIT: and why is it obvious the fella was on a lot of drugs? If you look at his posts on forums he got most all his drugs from underground sources. There is no TREN from any human use above ground laboratory just as an example. It's ALL from CHINA. He said he could buy growth hormone from a Portuguese pharmacy for 210 bucks a pen but as he said, why would he as he could get underground tested GH four times cheaper and thus could afford to take many times more.
Is this what you mean by REAL ANADROL? Is the 2nd pic FAKE ANADROL
Great post.
One thing I need to point out is that people claiming China has bad powders / products and that is why it is so cheap are a bit clueless. China has excellent quality control on their shit. Literally. Because they know if they start dicking around and sending bad shit out, people are just going to start paying a little more and ordering from India.
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Great post.
One thing I need to point out is that people claiming China has bad powders / products and that is why it is so cheap are a bit clueless. China has excellent quality control on their shit. Literally. Because they know if they start dicking around and sending bad shit out, people are just going to start paying a little more and ordering from India.
That's true. But for the sake of honesty, it's said the steroids are made by chemical companies instead of above ground pharma companies since steroid manufacturing is officially illegal. But they can still make quality raw drugs. The growth hormone is quality nowadays and it's my understanding it's also underground so to speak. The FBI actually worked out a deal with the Chinese like a decade ago to curb the brand name pharma Jintropin sales because they were flooding the market with high quality shit, even Hollywood celebs like Stallone were using it. So now my understanding is that it's simply sold out the back door in unlabeled vials. But since QC testing is now available, who cares.
And yeah China doesn't want to lose the market. Appears as though some percentage of raws now do come from India.
In recent years there have been quite a bit of painful test enanthate coming from China. Turns out, I assume it's true, when manufacturing enanthate the synthesis is quicker and cheaper if you skip or change a step but it leaves a tiny bit of some type of acid. It works well but for example my training parner had bought painful enanthate which he couldn't use so he returned the 20 vials to the dealer who switched it out to some other test product. The test is still "real" but there are some admitted kinks in the market due to the nature of it.
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Right...he was taking diuretics yr round for his swollen feet and ankles. From what I read his urine was putrid and he texted his guru..found out his kidneys were failing n kept blasting anway. He was doing up to 70-100us of insulin 3x's a day and 20 ius of GH
Its like they didnt get the memo
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One must assume that in honor of this noble matador of the mankini, all Sybian’s worldwide will only thrust at half mast for the rest of this week. Fuque this imitation Mini-Munzer.
At least Munzer looked good.
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Sorry for your loss, Falco. On the bright side, you moved up one spot for the best-built man in Portugal rankings.
Lol. You are most kind.
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Nowhere near as bad as Erik Frankenwhatever. Who claimed that he refused to get any dental work because "I am not changing the way God made me". Despite changing everything from the nose down.
More like " I have to spend all my money on drugs and food, can't afford dental".
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Unfortunate as I heard his upcoming novel was expected to be groundbreaking.
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More like " I have to spend all my money on drugs and food, can't afford dental".
It was like when I read his statement, it was the biggest WTF I ever read in MD magazine. (it was that long ago).
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Beautiful drugged-up looking physiques on these athletes
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:o
Guys like him should realise early on that they don't have the genetics and move the obsession over to a healthy sport like football. Or if he's extra autistic and wants to feel like a warrior ( ::)), BJJ.
An amp of test a week for a footballer who lifts a few times a week will give a nice, lean physique.
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I wonder what he spent that $400 euro bucks on.....
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I wonder what he spent that $400 euro bucks on.....
Board shorts?
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That top 3 pic seems to be from 2019. But you can see some worrying signs there already. Most of the time water isn't a problem if you are healthy but look at the water level of his upper vs lower body. Look at the barrel torso, which he is hiding there, but you can still tell something. Swollen abdomen and water problems, very bad signs.
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Cycle :
Test E 500mg week
Tren 700mg week
Primo 700mg week
Masteron Prop 700mg week
Winstrol oral 50mg day
Anavar 50mg day
Exemestano 25mcg ED
T3 25mcg day
T4 100mcg day
Clen 40mcg day
HGH Meditrope Black Tops 1 vial day ( half fasted , half post workout )"
I expected more to be honest. That's like Hankins' trt dosages.
Edit: This is more like it lmao:
Last Cycle he sent me was 2100 test enth.. 1400 tren.. 700 mast.. 50mgs a day winny. . 50mgs a day anadrol.. 20ius a day gh. 60 slin before meals.. 1 arimidex and 1 letrozole tab a day.. this is not counting the numerous peptides
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He should have gotten with coach Emeric.
He'd gain muscle and get leaner on only 5 mg a day test e sub-q with humanofort and LBAs.
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(https://images.impresa.pt/sicnot/2024-04-17-culturista-portugues-marco-luis-62279e01)
He's only got one pose and in that he looks like a teensie-weensie-widdle squished spider.
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:o
Guys like him should realise early on that they don't have the genetics and move the obsession over to a healthy sport like football. Or if he's extra autistic and wants to feel like a warrior ( ::)), BJJ.
An amp of test a week for a footballer who lifts a few times a week will give a nice, lean physique.
100% but the sport is full of guys like Hankins, My competitive days were 30 years ago even longer if you want to count Juniors but the old rule was if you can't qualify for the nationals clean you have no winning of winning them loaded and it was true. Lots changed and I agree with Van todays guys are way bigger, as today they take a lot more, and that's due to availability of high dose concentrated oils I disagree on the better part as im a guy who got into the sport as guys looked like Arnold. Not these walking side effects we see today, not that they aren't impressive they are, but no way would I want to look like that over Arnold. Like comparing Art and Graffiti.
But sadly our sports full of guys who look like shit and thats after killing themselves train and even use for life, killing yourself when you haven't got the genetics to succeed is dumb
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He's only got one pose and in that he looks like Nosferatu
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He's only got one pose and in that he looks like Nosferatu
Well done, brother! ;D
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I expected more to be honest. That's like Hankins' trt dosages.
Edit: This is more like it lmao:
Yeah that's the cycle I saw...imagine 1400mg of tren
60iu of insulin per meal I'm guessing caused the barrel gut
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Was he saved? Was he sexual?
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https://www.instagram.com/monstromarcoluis/
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Yeah that's the cycle I saw...imagine 1400mg of tren
60iu of insulin per meal I'm guessing caused the barrel gut
If someone's kidneys and or heart are failing it causes ascites which is fluid buildup in the abdominal cavity, which is why I said his onstage look was concerning, the legs still looked watery when he is most likely very dehydrated in fact. I don't know if he had ascites here but it's a possibility.
While steroids and GH snd insulin can cause a big belly through a few mechanisms, sometimes insulin can be protective, it can help keep sugars down and protect the kidneys and it's a potent antiinflammatory, if someone has inflamed organs it can be somewhat protective. I'm just giving some hypothetical mechanisms if someone wants to understand how all these hormones can interact.
So, if someone has reported his labs indicate major organ problems AND he's got a big barrel gut AND lower extremity water retention that is a very bad sign ESPECIALLY when the person is devoid of subcutaneous bodyfat. :)
Pumping those amounts of hormones into a body that is sick and not accepting them does not in any way help that someone's physique. Drastically lowering everything would probably actually improve the look as the body doesn't have to fight all that toxicity. Of course getting off most everything would be ideal, OF COURSE, but it's hard with that mental outlook, I know.
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. Lots changed and I agree with Van todays guys are way bigger, as today they take a lot more, and that's due to availability of high dose concentrated oils I disagree on the better part as im a guy who got into the sport as guys looked like Arnold. Not these walking side effects we see today, not that they aren't impressive they are, but no way would I want to look like that over Arnold. Like comparing Art and Graffiti.
I'm not really saying they are better because a drug infested body can look really off-putting. Just saying that the extra mass is due to something and it makes no sense to say the drugs today don't work, clearly they do. For a couple of decades the "pros" used mostly underground steroids but the GH had to be "human grade" but even that has changed now, the underground GH is mostly good quality, so now everything is underground gear, save for the insulin and perhaps a few other choice items like thyroid and diuretics.
Arnold's and Zane's legs in particular were underwhelming when we now look at it. Mentzer made the claim that all the increased drugs have done is increase the average size of the vastus lateralis. There could be a small point to his claim.
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R.I.P., this is why I stay natty
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Last September another portuguese bodybuilder died when preparing for a show, named Pedro da Cunha.
(https://i0.wp.com/averdade.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/pedro-wolf-culturista.png?w=1500&ssl=1)
RIP.
https://www.instagram.com/pedrodacunha_bodybuilder/
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Last September another portuguese bodybuilder died when preparing for a show, named Pedro da Cunha.
(https://i0.wp.com/averdade.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/pedro-wolf-culturista.png?w=1500&ssl=1)
RIP.
https://www.instagram.com/pedrodacunha_bodybuilder/
I'm looking at these bodybuilders and, I see my arms as bigger than theirs, and I'm natty. I feel drugs are unnecessary
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:o
Guys like him should realise early on that they don't have the genetics and move the obsession over to a healthy sport like football. Or if he's extra autistic and wants to feel like a warrior ( ::)), BJJ.
An amp of test a week for a footballer who lifts a few times a week will give a nice, lean physique.
Exactly. Same happened to me. Did two shows and realised that upping the dose (drug/food) didn't had a proportional effect in my results, but it sure make me feel like shit. Called it quits, just enjoy the ride.
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Both posing for pics here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxgqGdUIR3N/
Marco next to Mr. O. Derek Lunsford:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cro8K9Xonqi/
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Guys say they are using dianabol in ridiculous quantities now thinking it's the same stuff made by CIBA when it's junk in potency.
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On China generic underground GH vs Genotropin, Serostim etc. Some guys have done both.
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I wonder if there will be an inspiring eulogy where he will be remembered for his thong battles
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That poor women in the photos with him needs to lower the dose and eat some pizza. The low bodyfat look doesn't suit her.
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weird. I understand looking after yourself even if you are hopeless but not destroying yourself for nothing.
Not for nothing...they die for us.
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Not for nothing...they die for us.
Methsiahs all...Our reverence for their sacrifices is without end.
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Not for nothing...they die for us.
he was small and useless to us, never had the makings of a varsity mass monster
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he was small and useless to us, never had the makings of a varsity mass monster
(https://i.postimg.cc/15sNLrSB/tone.jpg).
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he was small and useless to us, never had the makings of a varsity mass monster
Which is even more crazy to use that drug protocol.
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Both posing for pics here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxgqGdUIR3N/
Marco next to Mr. O. Derek Lunsford:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cro8K9Xonqi/
Wow - so this was his 'condition check' for FIBO where he dropped dead - just look at those eyes
Kidney failure of peace...
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Wow - so this was his 'condition check' for FIBO where he dropped dead - just look at those eyes
Kidney failure of peace...
Damn bodybuilding really attracts some goofballs. Killing yourself for a couple of insta pics and a 500€ check. Lol, mental illness 100%. Why do grown men need so much validation from strangers online? Didn't their parents give them enough attention?
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Wow - so this was his 'condition check' for FIBO where he dropped dead - just look at those eyes
Kidney failure of peace...
Agree, them kidneys where flexing twice as hard till they pulled the front relaxed and signed off
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Wow - so this was his 'condition check' for FIBO where he dropped dead - just look at those eyes
Kidney failure of peace...(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=691982.0;attach=1504098;image)
It’s pretty sad that his last meal was probably baby food and rice cakes. RIP Moleman
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Damn bodybuilding really attracts some goofballs. Killing yourself for a couple of insta pics and a 500€ check. Lol, mental illness 100%. Why do grown men need so much validation from strangers online? Didn't their parents give them enough attention?
Ask Brian. He says "I'm not going to argue w/ you people" then argues here 24x7...
I'm a bit perplexed myself.
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Wow - so this was his 'condition check' for FIBO where he dropped dead - just look at those eyes
Kidney failure of peace...
If only Derek Anthony had a better last name. Anthonyism doesn't have the same ring to it as Palumboism.
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I wonder if it was worth it
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100% but the sport is full of guys like Hankins, My competitive days were 30 years ago even longer if you want to count Juniors but the old rule was if you can't qualify for the nationals clean you have no winning of winning them loaded and it was true. Lots changed and I agree with Van todays guys are way bigger, as today they take a lot more, and that's due to availability of high dose concentrated oils I disagree on the better part as im a guy who got into the sport as guys looked like Arnold. Not these walking side effects we see today, not that they aren't impressive they are, but no way would I want to look like that over Arnold. Like comparing Art and Graffiti.
But sadly our sports full of guys who look like shit and thats after killing themselves train and even use for life, killing yourself when you haven't got the genetics to succeed is dumb
can you verify that they really did use 100 mgs of primo or deca per week plus 15 mgs of dbol or winny?
platz said he used 100 deca and 15 winny
zane said 100 primo and 15 dbol
mentzer said 200 deca every 10 days and 20-25 dbol
also platz and padilla said they ate high carb lowish protien for the 1981 O
padilla said 80-110 protein with high carbs
and zane said he ate 200 protien and 50 carbs pre-contest
are those diets also verified?
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can you verify that they really did use 100 mgs of primo or deca per week plus 15 mgs of dbol or winny?
platz said he used 100 deca and 15 winny
zane said 100 primo and 15 dbol
mentzer said 200 deca every 10 days and 20-25 dbol
also platz and padilla said they ate high carb lowish protien for the 1981 O
padilla said 80-110 protein with high carbs
and zane said he ate 200 protien and 50 carbs pre-contest
are those diets also verified?
I would strangle you with my bare hands
Stop it with this stupid fucking shit
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I would strangle you with my bare hands
Stop it with this stupid fucking shit
I’d do a lot worse to the autistic boy
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I’d do a lot worse to the autistic boy
You are 6’5, I want to see you fight Dj
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The actually looked good in some of his photos...some not so good. My guess is that he would have looked similar if he would cut his doses in half. Especially the tren..there's absolutely no reason to run 400mg of tren a wk ever
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Nobody knows what these guys took but I'm betting that they took alot less back in the 70's
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You are 6’5, I want to see you fight Dj
i'd just take a gun and blow his fucking brains out ;)
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can you verify that they really did use 100 mgs of primo or deca per week plus 15 mgs of dbol or winny?
platz said he used 100 deca and 15 winny
zane said 100 primo and 15 dbol
mentzer said 200 deca every 10 days and 20-25 dbol
also platz and padilla said they ate high carb lowish protien for the 1981 O
padilla said 80-110 protein with high carbs
and zane said he ate 200 protien and 50 carbs pre-contest
are those diets also verified?
But if you just think logically, they made these claims when anyone could get a precription and these would be the doses a doctor would prescribe. Furthermore all these guys no doubt were thinking "of the children," like we don't want the children to get hurt, a sort of a do-gooder argument. Plus these doses might be something they legitimately ran as beginners or even as sometimes as a bridge in the off season. But you can imagine when precontest rolls around especially everyone starts to panic sort of and everyone is likely thinking of the what the competition is doing plus the stakes with a potentially legacy defining contest as the Mr O, so the doses will escalate. They also no doubt heard the stories of Grymkowski taking a whole bottle of orals with a meal, so a hundred milligrams or whatever of orals would surely not kill you, you know what I mean. Furthermore many have said at some seminar Q and A sessions guys like Platz copped to s hundred mg of orals or whatever. One guy on professionalmuscle going by the name of Rex Feral said Platz actually recommended to him, a competitor, 200mg mg of Deca or Durabolin, I forget which, PER DAY. And then you look at what Platz's face and ankles looked like and that type of dosing sounds very plausible. You know that guy who alledges Mentzer wanted to have gay sex with him and who alledges he drove Mentzer to crack houses before workouts to cop some meth, he say when he trained with Mentzer, after his competitive career they would both do 3 amps of Durabolin (NPP) 3 times per week and nothing else so that's 900mg of nandrolone per week so if the guy is honest Mentzer surely was already familiar with that type of dosing, don't you agree? At the same time I aldo believe I can tell these guys were not getting absolutely everything out of the AAS, they were taking maybe 1/10 - 1/20 as much as the guys today for the most part.
I'm answering you seriously which no doubt pisses of joswift to no end, I know ;D but this is my serious thoughts which I think are logical and rational.
The actually looked good in some of his photos...some not so good. My guess is that he would have looked similar if he would cut his doses in half. Especially the tren..there's absolutely no reason to run 400mg of tren a wk ever
MY guess is he would have gotten the same or even better results with 1/10th of the dose or even less, as his body was no doubt very toxic and fighting the drugs only probably getting WORSE as a consequence. If I was asked for advice by him, which he wouldn't do anyway with me being a nobody, and he wasn't listening to advice from any of the guys he was actually PMing, I would have had him drop the orals and everything especially toxic, just a very modest AAS dose, to rely on the way less toxic peptides. I also know I don't even take my own advice, I see a bit of him in myself tbh, some guys aren't coachable, like myself I think but a lot of times it's good to be coachable as an outsider can often be way, way more objective. I would surely listen very seriously to many coaches but I think I would like to be in ultimate control and I would probably delude myself into thinking I know best. There are many like us, many pros are like this which is why some of them hire a coach but at the same time ask for advice from half a dozen other guys, then don't do what the primary coach tells them but lie to him saying they do. One coach thought he was coaching Hunter Labrada for the O, not knowing Hunter had someone else do his final prep. A few gurus say they stopped coaching bb males altogether for this very reason.
For those interested, here's a fresh example of drama. This guy Patrick Tuor, a top coach nowadays, or not, depending on who you ask, denying Milos ever actually coached him. I take Milos' side. Milos is mighty pissed but from what I've seen Milos isn't a liar.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C589rZxOazA/?igsh=MTd2bGcwaHg1Nmhxaw==
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I find Milo's some what believeable..he probably did coach Tutor. Let's be honest though..how hard is for these guys to coach elite bodybuilders? I do believe his insulin protocols are overkill though
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I find Milo's some what believeable..he probably did coach Tutor. Let's be honest though..how hard is for these guys to coach elite bodybuilders? I do believe his insulin protocols are overkill though
Yeah it also depends on what you mean by coached, Milos sending him a fax with his insulin protocols snd having a couple of phone conversations was coaching whereas Tuor thinks coaching means you follow the guy weekly or whatever and dictate exact meal plans and so on. Milos said Tuors overall plan was great already so he didn't have to touch the diet much, except how to bake in the insulin and the necessary carb intake adjustment.
I really don't think Milos' insulin protocol is all that excessive, not compared to what others are doing now. As you know, Milos' plan has been to use fast acting insulin around training only, up to 25iu both before and after training only, so if training twice a day it would be 100 units max. But what many guys now are doing is use a basal insulin too like Lantus, 100 units upon waking is common (a diabetic might use around 30iu of basal insulin). Some claim they have done 300iu a day!, with the fast acting on top, which some do even every meal. Some do the fast acting Humalog or Novorapid or Apidra or what have you not just twice around training, but a couple of hours before, just before, just after and then a couple of hours after that too, so 4 times lol.
So what I'm sying is that Milos' plan seems most moderate compared to what many others are doing. Say if you do 15-20 before and after, that's "just" 30-40iu a day. Milos of course believes insulin at times other than around training is often detrimental, but the Lantus does assist growth 24/7 so... Milos plan is like maybe 400 grams of carbs around training and then low or zero carb the rest of the time like in prep to lose fat and grow at the same time. I have a "big" friend who uses 3000mg of test a week and he says he easily gets in 1500 carbs in "push phases" so he was picking my brain on the Lantus to help with that. So what do you say lol...
Lantus can theoretically be great. It increases appetite, which not all insulins do for reasons, studies show it increases IGF-1 substantially which bodybuilders want, but one trend nowadays is to use just like 20iu in the off season when eating very big, the idea being it should actually protect your pancreas from "pancreatic beta cell burnout" from having to push out so much insulin over time. Also, since all bodybuilders use GH in much higher doses than in the past, due to easy availability and cheaper cost (they say on the US forums that good growth can now be had at just 100 bucks for 100iu, locally here in my town my friend sells these kits for 300 bucks), insulin resistance and higher sugars becomes an issue. You do not want high sugars as that damages your kidneys, eyes etc so that's where a lowish dose of Lantus can come in to protect your organs. I'm just "coming back" to frequent hard training so I take 20iu or so of Lantus, one reason being that it's also a potent antiinflammatory, you know that whole body inflamed feeling, the Lantus can help modulate that. I also take some potent antioxidants to help modulate the inflammatory response, which while actually necessary for muscle adaptation and which antioxidants can interfere with, can become too much. So now I'm taking Vitamin C, Taurine, baking soda, Astaxanthin, a high dose of fish oil, tart cherry extract etc after lifting to hopefully not feel so inflamed.