Dorian yates HIT?

[Thong Maniac]

Is this what he means by HIt? (im using one exercise below as an example)

bB Barbell curls?...
1. Warm up with 50lb, 15 reps
2. Warm up with 60lb , 12 reps
3. Working set 65 or 70lb, time under tension, slow controlled negative reps till cant move it anymore

Sure i could do a set with 100lb instead of 65, but thats too heavy for TUT with static holds etc.

Then on to another bicep movement ?

[robcguns]

Basically he did 2-4 warm ups and one work set?so he really did 4-5 sets per exercise but didnt count the other sets as anything more than a warm up so he was full of shit about that.same as most people just didnt count the first sets.I dont have warm up sets i just go to failure on all sets and therefore count them all.Sobyes the way you have it is correct.

[_aj_]

I am not sure that biceps are a good measure of Dorian's progress.

[Simple Simon]

Is this what he means by HIt? (im using one exercise below as an example)

bB Barbell curls?...
1. Warm up with 50lb, 15 reps
2. Warm up with 60lb , 12 reps
3. Working set 65 or 70lb, time under tension, slow controlled negative reps till cant move it anymore

Sure i could do a set with 100lb instead of 65, but thats too heavy for TUT with static holds etc.

Then on to another bicep movement ?

Doesnt matter what you do or how hard you train, its drugs and genetics
Go and watch Phil Heath train.

[Dr Dutch]

Just work hard. That's Dorians heritage.

[Rascal full]

Dorian was right because you get the same results if not better doing one warm up set then one balls to the wall, all out set to total failure. The key is knowing what represents true failure and staying in that torturous zone until either a negative or a postive is totally impossible. I recommend training this way every so often to vary things up abit and keep it fresh but I prefer lighter sets and higher reps chasing for a great pump because frankly it's not as hard!

[SF1900]

Dorian was right because you get the same results if not better doing one warm up set then one balls to the wall, all out set to total failure. The key is knowing what represents true failure and staying in that torturous zone until either a negative or a postive is totally impossible. I recommend training this way every so often to vary things up abit and keep it fresh but I prefer lighter sets and higher reps chasing for a great pump because frankly it's not as hard!

But he didnt do one warm up set, then one set to failure. He did multiple "warm up" sets, then did one to total failure. In essence, he did the standard 3-4 sets for one exercise, just like we all do. He just couched it under some special workout routine.

[ritch]

But he didnt do one warm up set, then one set to failure. He did multiple "warm up" sets, then did one to total failure. In essence, he did the standard 3-4 sets for one exercise, just like we all do. He just couched it under some special workout routine.

not really.
Ideally, the warm up sets are done low rep, they don't count, not even close.

Here is how you warm up for hit. Say you can bench press 100lbs for one rep.
first set is 5 reps with 50lbs
then 4 reps with 60
3 reps with 70
2 with 80
1 with 90

This is simply to tell you how you're feeling on that given day, if the last warm up set feels good, you're ready to go all out. It not, gotta figure out why....

[SF1900]

not really.
Ideally, the warm up sets are done low rep, they don't count, not even close.

Here is how you warm up for hit. Say you can bench press 100lbs for one rep.
first set is 5 reps with 50lbs
then 4 reps with 60
3 reps with 70
2 with 80
1 with 90

This is simply to tell you how you're feeling on that given day, if the last warm up set feels good, you're ready to go all out. It not, gotta figure out why....

Sorry, thats 4 sets. Anyone can just say, "well, lets not count those sets." What determines whats a set? Amount of weight? Amount of reps? Or because Dorian says so?

Dorian was doing what most other people do. Not much different. All the same bullshit just presented differently.

[Dr Dutch]

This is the Mike Mentzer critics all over again......know your history before posting. 

[Thong Maniac]

not really.
Ideally, the warm up sets are done low rep, they don't count, not even close.

Here is how you warm up for hit. Say you can bench press 100lbs for one rep.
first set is 5 reps with 50lbs
then 4 reps with 60
3 reps with 70
2 with 80
1 with 90

This is simply to tell you how you're feeling on that given day, if the last warm up set feels good, you're ready to go all out. It not, gotta figure out why....

That doesnt sound snything like dorians hit program. I never saw low reps like that

[ritch]

That doesnt sound snything like dorians hit program. I never saw low reps like that

Never mind Dorian's hit stuff....

Do the warm ups as i said, benefit from better trainings, period.

3 movements, 2 work sets each.

Rest long to handle max weights, if you get 8 on the first set, you should not be able to get more than 6 on the next.

This philosophy has done me very well.

[oldtimer1]

He did non taxing warm up sets for major exercises. For minor he either did one or none. I just can comprehend how volume trainers don't understand the meaning of one set to failure. Yates might do incline sets like this. First warm up 135 for 8. Second warm up 225lbs for 6. Third warm up 315 for 4 reps. His work set to failure is 415lbs for 7 reps.  Does anyone expect he should load the bar for one set with 415lb without a warm up? 

[local hero]

I trained this way for years and only changed with injury problems... Its the mind set that the volume guys don't understand, and those who claim to train to failure and do 20 or 30 sets are deluded

[Van_Bilderass]

I trained this way for years and only changed with injury problems... Its the mind set that the volume guys don't understand, and those who claim to train to failure and do 20 or 30 sets are deluded

Exactly. The volume guys are pacing themselves much more than they think. You can't go all out and do that kind of volume.

[ritch]

I trained this way for years and only changed with injury problems... Its the mind set that the volume guys don't understand, and those who claim to train to failure and do 20 or 30 sets are deluded

those are the dudes who jerk the weights, super fast tempo, very fast TUT, so yeah, of course they gotta do all those "sets", lol....

[Simple Simon]

trained arms yesterday
3 sets seated dumbell curls 15k
5 sets machine preachers 15/20k
4 sets rope tricep ext 60k
3 sets 1 arm extensions 25k
3 sest single arm cable curls 20k

Done.

No throwing weights around all strict constant tension form

[The Grim Lifter]

Anything less than Failure especially at a lower weight is a warm up. It does nothing.

People saying Dorian did 5 sets because some were warm ups have no idea. On top of that he only did those warm ups on the first exercise, every other one after he did one main set.

[local hero]

trained arms yesterday
3 sets seated dumbell curls 15k
5 sets machine preachers 15/20k
4 sets rope tricep ext 60k
3 sets 1 arm extensions 25k
3 sest single arm cable curls 20k

Done.

No throwing weights around all strict constant tension form

Posing between sets?

[SF1900]

Anything less than Failure especially at a lower weight is a warm up. It does nothing.

People saying Dorian did 5 sets because some were warm ups have no idea. On top of that he only did those warm ups on the first exercise, every other one after he did one main set.

But going by that logic, then everyone uses the same principles as Dorian. Most people start off with lower weight and work their way up. Yet, Dorian was spouting this as if it was some special way of training. Its no different than the way most people train. Call it 5 sets call it 1 set, its the way most people train.

[Simple Simon]

Posing between sets?

always.

[maxkane69]

HIT and their proponent (Arthur Jones,Mike Mentzer,Dorian Yates...) are the biggest fraud in bodybuilding history !!!
HIT is even worst than scam supplement and Jones,Mentzer and Dorian are even worst than snakeoil salesman !!!

[ritch]

HIT and their proponent (Arthur Jones,Mike Mentzer,Dorian Yates...) are the biggest fraud in bodybuilding history !!!
HIT is even worst than scam supplement and Jones,Mentzer and Dorian are even worst than snakeoil salesman !!!

MASSIVE Troll job, whatever man...

[SF1900]

MASSIVE Troll job, whatever man...

Ritch, calm down, broskie. Get yourself a protein shake and take a nap. 

[SquatsRule]

HIT and their proponent (Arthur Jones,Mike Mentzer,Dorian Yates...) are the biggest fraud in bodybuilding history !!!
HIT is even worst than scam supplement and Jones,Mentzer and Dorian are even worst than snakeoil salesman !!!

The Colorado experiment was basically a fraud. All Casey Viator did was regain the muscle he had lost. Muscle memory. Arthur Jones gained very little in comparison during the same experiment. Casey's numbers are always the ones mentioned though.