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Van_Bilderass:

--- Quote from: oldtimer1 on March 27, 2024, 04:13:23 AM ---You assumption would be credible if you were correct in saying liberals are more intelligent than people with conservative values. That is quite an assumption.

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I don't know, haven't looked it up. I have seen references claiming liberals have more education on average, but like I said I haven't looked it up. I have seen claims that higher education is really liberal brain washing and how all the professors at institutions like Harward are liberals, and those who aren't keep it hush-hush due to the current zeitgeist. Like I said, a liberal can be really smart while espousing Marxist views. And Jews are said to have higher average IQs and as many Jews have said Judaism equals Marxism//communism/socialism/democracy, they are all synonyms.

I think I will look up what has been said about IQ and education and liberals vs conservatives...

LurkerNoMore:
Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

Thin Lizzy:

--- Quote from: LurkerNoMore on March 28, 2024, 08:46:18 AM ---Red states are known for having the highest rates in obesity, teen pregnancies, high school drop outs, poverty, divorce, and apparently mental illness.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/these-states-have-the-worst-mental-health?onepage

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Liberals are forever making this argument and always conveniently leave out that the worst parts of these states vote over 90% Blue:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham,_Alabama

73.4% African American (Black)
22.3% White American


Recently, a Washington “think tank”😂 group put out  a paper that concluded that red states were more violent than blue states and of course didn’t take race into account at all.



Thin Lizzy:
Socialists believe that if everybody shared equally there would always be plenty to go around. But the reality is nature is very stingy, and humans have had to fight and scratch for everything we have.

Their ideology is at odds with reality and that IMO leads to depression.

Van_Bilderass:

--- Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 28, 2024, 08:30:46 AM ---
I think I will look up what has been said about IQ and education and liberals vs conservatives...

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An example from a quick google:


--- Quote ---Conservatives exhibit less cognitive ability than liberals do. Or that's what it says in the social science literature, anyway. A 2010 study using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, for example, found that the IQs of young adults who described themselves as "very liberal" averaged 106.42, whereas the mean of those who identified as "very conservative" was 94.82. Similarly, when a 2009 study correlated cognitive capacity with political beliefs among 1,254 community college students and 1,600 foreign students seeking entry to U.S. universities, it found that conservatism is "related to low performance on cognitive ability tests." In 2012, a paper reported that people endorse more conservative views when drunk or under cognitive pressure; it concluded that "political conservatism may be a process consequence of low-effort thought." 
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But there are caveats, read the whole article if interested:

https://reason.com/2014/06/13/are-conservatives-dumber-than-liberals/

I did see some other stuff saying conservatives were smarter by some other measures.

As far as education, firs result from my google search:


--- Quote ---Highly educated adults – particularly those who have attended graduate school – are far more likely than those with less education to take predominantly liberal positions across a range of political values. And these differences have increased over the past two decades.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

But I haven't delved into it deeper... like with all research there's going to be dissenters, taking issue with how the research was done etc.

But let's say the research is correct and liberals are both smarter and more educated, it underscores my point that someone who who subscribes to, for me, reprehensible ideologies can be cognitively smart. I haven't done any tests but I think I'm more conservative and "right wing," definitely would be described as "extreme right wing" by many aka "domestic terrorist" and part of the "biggest threat" if I was in the US  :D As would I think most getbiggers  :D

But at the same time it's imo important to be correct and not say liberals are "stupid" if everything points to the opposite being true. If liberals are "smarter," so be it. After all, the liberals have been winning the ideological war thus far. Will it swing the other way in the future, I hope so but I doubt it. Liberals literally own the educational institutions as of now. Trump being in office didn't change anything as far as that, they probably just got more liberal (?)

On getbig someone like LurkerNoMore runs circles around Coach is back in debating, in my opinion. I say that despite me being closer to Coach as far as politics. Coach is so frustrated he calls for bans of Lurker or Oak or Agent007 [edit: I meant Agnostic007], I don't know on what grounds :D

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