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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3600 on: November 22, 2020, 11:11:36 AM »
A small amount is fine as it makes it easier to withdraw from sports books and online casinos but I certainly would not invest a whole lot in cryptos.  One day you wake up and it all could be gone.

Prudent risk management is a must.

I've read stories of people who sold/remortgaged their homes to go all in.  That was the last time blips hit 19K.  People also did the same thing during tulip bulb mania during the 1630's.  It's didn't turn out well for them.  They were also spending an entire year earnings for 1 tulip bulb.  Blips aren't there yet, but getting close.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3601 on: November 22, 2020, 11:23:05 AM »


No Mr. man... people are not buying blips because they worry about currency debasement, they are buying because they have FOMO and are thinking the price can't go anywhere except up. 

Greed and fear are the number one reasons why so many people lose money.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3602 on: November 22, 2020, 05:37:50 PM »
Well we have lots of "outback" places in the States, but yes not gold rich like parts of Down Under you have there in Western Australia.

Believe it or not, I actually have stake in a private company that has a gold mine in Kargoolie. I have been invited there many times, including to an annual mining networking event, but have never so far made it. I made that investment back in the late 1990's (when I was still rather young). Gold mining didn't do too well for us, and labor costs are crazy high. The mine is largely dormant/shuttered for now. The company then did a pivot a few years back into Lithium mining and acquired a fertile lithium land mining rights. That enabled it to raise a decent amount of cash, but everyone then jumped on the Lithium bandwagon and the price did not quite move as I had hoped as supply got ahead of demand. The value of my stake is now 6x the initial investment, so still ok although that's over 20 years, and with a falling $AUD. and I sold 1/4 of my share in the company during the Lithium fund raising. Never received a dividend but do get entertained very nicely whenever I meet up with the owners, usually once a year. Very funny people those mining types from that part of Australia.

Tell us more about yours trip to Aussie Outback  :D !.

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« Reply #3603 on: November 22, 2020, 06:00:23 PM »
Mr A, it warms my heart that after calling Bitcoin a bubble/ponzi scheme and advising people NOT TO BUY back in November 13, 2013, 05:1:42 PM when BTC was $381 per coin (and continuously like a broken record since then), that you are now expressing the view that Bitcoin will go higher and that we are not at the peak yet. What a turn around! We are making some good progress with you.

However, what you have done is the equivalent of making a kind of "half apology". If you are wrong, just man up, admit it, like JP Morgan, one of the world's most respected investment banks recently did:

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/jpmorgan-admits-it-was-wrong-about-end-bitcoin-bull-run-renews-140000-plus-price-forecast?

You have in the past been both small-minded, arrogant, closed-minded, conceited, stubborn, bigoted, pig-headed and obstinate in your refusal to accept reality, and until recently you simply continued over and over with attempts to produce "false objections" with regard to the validity of Bitcoin.

It is correct, that fear and greed can be key reasons that people lose money. And yet you have not learned your own lesson here, which is that your fear (which may have been a good trait in your investment background to date) is also exactly what caused you to make huge losses on the value of your cash as compared to the value of BTC over the last 7 years. I am sure, if you could turn back time, that you wished you would invested in BTC back when you claimed it was a bubble in 2013. Just like you will be wishing you had done so by buying now at 18K, when we are in the year 2030 (and you KNOW IT).

With regard to "fear" you have exemplified with your "self-bargaining" how much idiocy and misunderstanding exists which puts people off buying BTC, which over time will be demystified due to larger institutions legitimizing BTC. And this fear (and ignorance by the masses) is indeed one reason why we can have so much confidence that there is so much huge upside potential ahead. Some of your nonsense on your self bargaining has included:

-People can hack an exchange so its not safe.
-BTC is only used by bad people.
-The Government will shut it down.
-Its not "real" as to opposed to gold which is.
-Its not easy to buy it.
-It only has a short period of history.
-There is no limit on supply and can be infinitely produced.
-A FedCoin will lead to reduced demand for BTC.
-Transaction speed is too slow for mass adoption.
-The price is too volatile.
-Its not typically used to purchase things.
-It will be taxed.
-Its not anonymous.

And my absolute favorite:

-BTC disappears "when the electricity is turned off".

and on and on the nonsense goes.

A respectful and more dignified approach for an older person such as yourself, would have been to have a more open and enquiring mind, and to ask about these topics and then have someone explain them to you. What you instead did was to make these potential objections as statements of fact, which then resulted you looking stupid when they were debunked. That in turn provoked you to take an aggressive and hostile stance (name-calling, making deceitful misquotes of others, etc), which actually did nothing to address the substance of the objections you raised.

You do have the opportunity to change your stance. Ultimately that is part of the purpose of the discussion here. For us to help each other.

Let me conclude by asking you this. As you now think Bitcoin will go higher, given all your great skills of trading options and futures etc, please tell now us how much higher you think Bitcoin will now go? :) Oh and while you are at it, please also tell us whether you believe gold will outperform BTC in 2020, and well as over the next 5 years. Thank you.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3604 on: November 23, 2020, 04:41:29 AM »
gib laying the smack down.

He is right Anabolic. You have been unbelievably wrong on so many things. Just like i said, your incorrect knowledge of how the monetary system functions will wind up with your predictions being way off.

Standing outside each day, saying it will rain you will eventually be right. But that is pointless if you ignore the 300 days of sunshine.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3605 on: November 23, 2020, 06:10:10 AM »
Bitcoin shortage is real, and PayPal is the cause, Pantera Capital claims


PayPal’s entry into the cryptocurrency market could be having a dramatic impact on the Bitcoin (BTC) price.

In a newly published report, crypto investment firm Pantera Capital says a Bitcoin shortage is at the heart of the recent price surge and that the majority of newly minted BTC is being scooped up by PayPal.

PayPal’s new crypto service is “already having a huge impact,” Pantera claims, adding that the payment merchant is snatching up roughly 70% of all the new BTC in circulation.

Citing itBit data, Pantera claims:

    “When PayPal went live, volume started exploding. The increase in itBit volume implies that within four weeks of going live, PayPal is already buying almost 70% of the new supply of bitcoins.”

According to Pantera, the data suggest that PayPal and Cash App combined are buying up all of the newly-issued Bitcoin.

Bitcoin’s monetary policy is programmed to be deflationary over time. With widescale adoption, that leads to higher purchasing power and supply scarcity. Pantera claims it is the latter that is contributing to BTC’s parabolic surge.

PayPal launched its crypto trading services in the U.S. earlier this month, allowing customers to trade up to $20,000 a week. The platform will be rolled out globally in early 2021.

The online payment merchant has 300 million active users, which makes its foray into digital currency a major stepping stone for adoption.


https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-shortage-is-real-and-paypal-is-the-cause-pantera-capital-claims

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« Reply #3606 on: November 23, 2020, 06:27:24 AM »
Mr A, it warms my heart that after calling Bitcoin a bubble/ponzi scheme and advising people NOT TO BUY back in November 13, 2013, 05:1:42 PM when BTC was $381 per coin (and continuously like a broken record since then), that you are now expressing the view that Bitcoin will go higher and that we are not at the peak yet. What a turn around! We are making some good progress with you.

However, what you have done is the equivalent of making a kind of "half apology". If you are wrong, just man up, admit it, like JP Morgan, one of the world's most respected investment banks recently did:

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/jpmorgan-admits-it-was-wrong-about-end-bitcoin-bull-run-renews-140000-plus-price-forecast?

You have in the past been both small-minded, arrogant, closed-minded, conceited, stubborn, bigoted, pig-headed and obstinate in your refusal to accept reality, and until recently you simply continued over and over with attempts to produce "false objections" with regard to the validity of Bitcoin.

It is correct, that fear and greed can be key reasons that people lose money. And yet you have not learned your own lesson here, which is that your fear (which may have been a good trait in your investment background to date) is also exactly what caused you to make huge losses on the value of your cash as compared to the value of BTC over the last 7 years. I am sure, if you could turn back time, that you wished you would invested in BTC back when you claimed it was a bubble in 2013. Just like you will be wishing you had done so by buying now at 18K, when we are in the year 2030 (and you KNOW IT).

With regard to "fear" you have exemplified with your "self-bargaining" how much idiocy and misunderstanding exists which puts people off buying BTC, which over time will be demystified due to larger institutions legitimizing BTC. And this fear (and ignorance by the masses) is indeed one reason why we can have so much confidence that there is so much huge upside potential ahead. Some of your nonsense on your self bargaining has included:

-People can hack an exchange so its not safe.
-BTC is only used by bad people.
-The Government will shut it down.
-Its not "real" as to opposed to gold which is.
-Its not easy to buy it.
-It only has a short period of history.
-There is no limit on supply and can be infinitely produced.
-A FedCoin will lead to reduced demand for BTC.
-Transaction speed is too slow for mass adoption.
-The price is too volatile.
-Its not typically used to purchase things.
-It will be taxed.
-Its not anonymous.

And my absolute favorite:

-BTC disappears "when the electricity is turned off".

and on and on the nonsense goes.

A respectful and more dignified approach for an older person such as yourself, would have been to have a more open and enquiring mind, and to ask about these topics and then have someone explain them to you. What you instead did was to make these potential objections as statements of fact, which then resulted you looking stupid when they were debunked. That in turn provoked you to take an aggressive and hostile stance (name-calling, making deceitful misquotes of others, etc), which actually did nothing to address the substance of the objections you raised.

You do have the opportunity to change your stance. Ultimately that is part of the purpose of the discussion here. For us to help each other.

Let me conclude by asking you this. As you now think Bitcoin will go higher, given all your great skills of trading options and futures etc, please tell now us how much higher you think Bitcoin will now go? :) Oh and while you are at it, please also tell us whether you believe gold will outperform BTC in 2020, and well as over the next 5 years. Thank you.

I have nothing against Mr Anabolic, but you sir have described him in this post to a T.

And this is not just regarding Bitcoin, but pretty much anything else he preaches:

The Keto diet is bad for active people, and for pretty much everyone else too
The US is a banana republic
The US dollar is worthless
Investing in the stock market is stupid
No matter who wins the presidential election, there will be riots and looting all over the US like never before
Gold, silver, ammunition, tuna cans, and toilet paper are the only good investment

And so on, and so forth.  He's always right about everything, and everyone else is wrong, and if you prove him wrong he'll resort to insults and name calling.   ;D

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3607 on: November 23, 2020, 10:44:58 AM »
Interesting, Bitcoin is in free fall while XRP is up 20 % in the past 24 h. Is everyone leaving the sinking BTC ship and jumping on the XRP bandwagon now? :D

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« Reply #3608 on: November 23, 2020, 10:49:15 AM »
Interesting, Bitcoin is in free fall while XRP is up 20 % in the past 24 h. Is everyone leaving the sinking BTC ship and jumping on the XRP bandwagon now? :D

bitcoin is down 0,6% in the last 24 hours. That is insignificant.

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« Reply #3609 on: November 23, 2020, 10:51:41 AM »
bitcoin is down 0,6% in the last 24 hours. That is insignificant.

 :D


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« Reply #3610 on: November 23, 2020, 12:48:35 PM »
Interesting, Bitcoin is in free fall while XRP is up 20 % in the past 24 h. Is everyone leaving the sinking BTC ship and jumping on the XRP bandwagon now? :D
historically in bull runs, when btc flatlines or dips a little after a big run, alt coins fly because everyone jumps out of btc in to alts when alts play catchup, and vice versa.

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« Reply #3611 on: November 23, 2020, 07:32:35 PM »
Interesting, Bitcoin is in free fall while XRP is up 20 % in the past 24 h. Is everyone leaving the sinking BTC ship and jumping on the XRP bandwagon now? :D

Stupid money gonna stupid

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3612 on: November 23, 2020, 07:58:16 PM »


No AC/DC = No btc  :'(



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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3613 on: November 24, 2020, 12:54:24 AM »
WTF - Ripple is EXPLODING !!! (+ 55% in 24h)

I bet many people this very moment are gonna take loans at the bank to buy Ripple, smart move, keep goin' :D

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« Reply #3614 on: November 24, 2020, 01:09:24 AM »
Interesting, Bitcoin is in free fall while XRP is up 20 % in the past 24 h. Is everyone leaving the sinking BTC ship and jumping on the XRP bandwagon now? :D

BTC is a sinking ship? A free fall? I'm no expert but how can you say that when it's at it's highest all year. It was stuck forever at 15,000 and now it's at 18,692.

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« Reply #3615 on: November 24, 2020, 01:10:47 AM »
WTF - Ripple is EXPLODING !!! (+ 55% in 24h)

I bet many people this very moment are gonna take loans at the bank to buy Ripple, smart move, keep goin' :D

What's Ripple? I've really got to up my finance game or hand out with a different crowd. There is not a single person I know that has ever heard of Ripple.

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« Reply #3616 on: November 24, 2020, 01:11:59 AM »
What's Ripple? I've really got to up my finance game or hand out with a different crowd. There is not a single person I know that has ever heard of Ripple.

The 3rd biggest cryptocurrency behind BTC and ETH.

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« Reply #3617 on: November 24, 2020, 01:13:57 AM »
The 3rd biggest cryptocurrency behind BTC and ETH.

Who uses it and why would you want to over BTC?

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« Reply #3618 on: November 24, 2020, 01:37:56 AM »
Who uses it and why would you want to over BTC?

Noone "uses" or intends to "use" any cryptocurrency anyway. They're like stocks, only more volatile (or rather like a Casino, but instead of red/black you have to pick up/down lol).

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« Reply #3619 on: November 24, 2020, 01:42:59 AM »
Noone "uses" or intends to "use" any cryptocurrency anyway. They're like stocks, only more volatile (or rather like a Casino, but instead of red/black you have to pick up/down lol).

I'm no crypto person but even I use BTC to buy things over the net. Things like SARMS you have to pay in BTC or it becomes very complicated. All sources now have pretty much moved to BTC and offer it as an option. I'm sure other grey area/black market transaction are the same way.

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« Reply #3620 on: November 24, 2020, 01:52:41 AM »
BTW, I keep a couple of grand in BTC in case I have to use it, and during this recent "free fall" and "sinking ship" phase I've sold about $600 worth just to use the cash for personal expenses. Every time it gets over a hundred and fifty or so I just use the cash for whatever and bring it down to $2,000 and then it goes back up again. I'm not an investor but it's just a convenient way for me to take care of stuff like car repairs/maintenance, shoes, new rice cooker, Garmin GPS... without really dipping into my real money. It did dip below $2,000 but now at this very moment it's at $2,137.67. It's just play money to me.

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« Reply #3621 on: November 24, 2020, 04:25:52 AM »
I have nothing against Mr Anabolic, but you sir have described him in this post to a T.

And this is not just regarding Bitcoin, but pretty much anything else he preaches:

The Keto diet is bad for active people, and for pretty much everyone else too
The US is a banana republic
The US dollar is worthless
Investing in the stock market is stupid
No matter who wins the presidential election, there will be riots and looting all over the US like never before
Gold, silver, ammunition, tuna cans, and toilet paper are the only good investment

And so on, and so forth.  He's always right about everything, and everyone else is wrong, and if you prove him wrong he'll resort to insults and name calling.   ;D

I had no idea he was also like this on other topics! And I thought the continued references to tuna cans and ammo etc were in jest? (The gold and silver I think he was serious about.

I have nothing against him either. I have told him before, its all good. We are here to help each other. And he genuinely does want to help others. The problem however, are his various traits (which came out during this thread). I initially considered all sorts of possible objections against BTC before deciding it was a legit investment (and even then, as I have said many time), it does not fit my usual investment profile, nor does fine art, or gold. I always laughed at gold bugs, but after I got my head around BTC at the start of this thread I also acquired a little gold.

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« Reply #3622 on: November 24, 2020, 04:33:34 AM »
Mr A, it warms my heart that after calling Bitcoin a bubble/ponzi scheme and advising people NOT TO BUY back in November 13, 2013, 05:1:42 PM when BTC was $381 per coin (and continuously like a broken record since then), that you are now expressing the view that Bitcoin will go higher and that we are not at the peak yet. What a turn around! We are making some good progress with you.

However, what you have done is the equivalent of making a kind of "half apology". If you are wrong, just man up, admit it, like JP Morgan, one of the world's most respected investment banks recently did:

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/jpmorgan-admits-it-was-wrong-about-end-bitcoin-bull-run-renews-140000-plus-price-forecast?

You have in the past been both small-minded, arrogant, closed-minded, conceited, stubborn, bigoted, pig-headed and obstinate in your refusal to accept reality, and until recently you simply continued over and over with attempts to produce "false objections" with regard to the validity of Bitcoin.

It is correct, that fear and greed can be key reasons that people lose money. And yet you have not learned your own lesson here, which is that your fear (which may have been a good trait in your investment background to date) is also exactly what caused you to make huge losses on the value of your cash as compared to the value of BTC over the last 7 years. I am sure, if you could turn back time, that you wished you would invested in BTC back when you claimed it was a bubble in 2013. Just like you will be wishing you had done so by buying now at 18K, when we are in the year 2030 (and you KNOW IT).

With regard to "fear" you have exemplified with your "self-bargaining" how much idiocy and misunderstanding exists which puts people off buying BTC, which over time will be demystified due to larger institutions legitimizing BTC. And this fear (and ignorance by the masses) is indeed one reason why we can have so much confidence that there is so much huge upside potential ahead. Some of your nonsense on your self bargaining has included:

-People can hack an exchange so its not safe.
-BTC is only used by bad people.
-The Government will shut it down.
-Its not "real" as to opposed to gold which is.
-Its not easy to buy it.
-It only has a short period of history.
-There is no limit on supply and can be infinitely produced.
-A FedCoin will lead to reduced demand for BTC.
-Transaction speed is too slow for mass adoption.
-The price is too volatile.
-Its not typically used to purchase things.
-It will be taxed.
-Its not anonymous.

And my absolute favorite:

-BTC disappears "when the electricity is turned off".

and on and on the nonsense goes.

A respectful and more dignified approach for an older person such as yourself, would have been to have a more open and enquiring mind, and to ask about these topics and then have someone explain them to you. What you instead did was to make these potential objections as statements of fact, which then resulted you looking stupid when they were debunked. That in turn provoked you to take an aggressive and hostile stance (name-calling, making deceitful misquotes of others, etc), which actually did nothing to address the substance of the objections you raised.

You do have the opportunity to change your stance. Ultimately that is part of the purpose of the discussion here. For us to help each other.

Let me conclude by asking you this. As you now think Bitcoin will go higher, given all your great skills of trading options and futures etc, please tell now us how much higher you think Bitcoin will now go? :) Oh and while you are at it, please also tell us whether you believe gold will outperform BTC in 2020, and well as over the next 5 years. Thank you.

Still no reply from you Mr A? Are we to take your silence to assume that your call is that BTC will still decline, and that gold will outperform blips?

(Henceforth, as BTC takes on higher denominations, I will only provide these new milestones every $1000.00 instead of every $100. (See, I am showing some mercy on you as I know how annoying you found this practice of mine. Now please, just don't turn off the power... :) )

Oh, and $19,000.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3623 on: November 24, 2020, 04:50:48 AM »
Still no reply from you Mr A? Are we to take your silence to assume that your call is that BTC will still decline, and that gold will outperform blips?

(Henceforth, as BTC takes on higher denominations, I will only provide these new milestones every $1000.00 instead of every $100. (See, I am showing some mercy on you as I know how annoying you found this practice of mine. Now please, just don't turn off the power... :) )

Oh, and $19,000.
Ethereum is over $600. New milestone will be $1,000 and then a push beyond the ATH of $1,350. How high can it go? Proof of stake will push the price up.

I think Bitcoin might rally up to $100,000. But who knows. We'll just have to sit back and watch. I have substantial ETH and am waiting for the right moment to convert some to BTC. Back in 2017/2018 the ratio was 15 ETH for 1 BTC. Yesterday it was around 29 ETH for 1 BTC. I would convert if it went back to 15:1. Perhaps it never will go back to that ratio. Will have to see.

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Re: Bitcoins - about to hit $5,000 per coin today!
« Reply #3624 on: November 24, 2020, 04:52:18 AM »
I wonder what Peter Schiff is thinking right now. I suspect he will double down and insist on sticking with gold. Boy did he screw his customers with his advice.