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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070102/ap_on_re_us/million_dollar_trailers
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Aw...
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too bad it will all be under water in 20-40 years
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But some are holding out, saying there are things more important than money.
Yeah whats more important than a Trailorpark ::) ::)
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Yeah whats more important than a Trailorpark ::) ::)
If they leave, it'll be harder to throw beer cans at the neighbor's kids.
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too bad it will all be under water in 20-40 years
Is this according to "AlGore"?
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Is this according to "AlGore"?
well, no. you're confusing the messenger with the originator. see, unlike rush, gore doesn't just make shit up. his statements actually have "sources". gore consults scientific studies, rush uses his ass for a bibliography. i can understand, though, how you would get confused. if i idolized a guy like rush i would probably think everyone else just says whatever the hell they like too.
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zircollio ... now that is fucking funny george!
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Is this according to "AlGore"?
Actually, the Bush Admin.
;D
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122601034.html
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this is what a 20 foot rise in sea level will do to Florida. If the Greenland ice sheet alone were to melt, that would be 23 feet.
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this is what a 20 foot rise in sea level will do to Florida. If the Greenland ice sheet alone were to melt, that would be 23 feet.
That will help illegal immigration.........much further to swim from cuba.
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"You just can't buy a way of life," said Tom Byrne, a 68-year-old retired sales executive from New York who doesn't want to sell even though he would make a little over $1 million on the trailer and site he bought two years ago for $150,000. "This is my home."
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personally, they's crazy [sic].
But I've lived in one and my family owns and rents mobile homes/properties in S. Florida in a few areas. Some of the people living in a 25k singlewide are millionaires who just like the simplicity of it. They have security, neighbors like them (frugal old folks who garden, gossip, and bitch about anyone under 40 and over 5). of course Florida has the yee-haw hillbilly types who shoot guns to celebrate every UFC smackdown. But many of them are quiet old people who like living near other quiet old people.
When money isn't an issue (if you already have a million in the bank and you're fighing LT illness), being around your friends becomes all that matters. Plus, some old people just like to fight anything.
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That will help illegal immigration.........much further to swim from cuba.
We'll all be illegally immigrating to mexico to get jobs by then ;)
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BY 2012 YOU BETTER BE LIVING SOMEWHERE ABOVE SEA LEVEL !
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my prediction.... this year the fed will lower rates to save the dollar, which will cripple the real estate market. couple that with the fact the white house will probably reveal global warming is a serious problem and coastal real estate in the US is gonna be a sucker's buy :(
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my prediction.... this year the fed will lower rates to save the dollar, which will cripple the real estate market. couple that with the fact the white house will probably reveal global warming is a serious problem and coastal real estate in the US is gonna be a sucker's buy :(
Agreed. I can see the economic structure imploding in on itself soon.
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well, no. you're confusing the messenger with the originator. see, unlike rush, gore doesn't just make shit up.
Hhahahahahahahahaha..... ..............according to Gore, we're all going to die in 10 years!!
RUSH: Try this one from yesterday's stack. I don't know if you people know this or not, but Al Gore has been out at the Sundance Film Festival out there in Park City, Utah. This is one of Robert Redford's big do's, and apparently Al Gore is working on a movie that -- what is the name of this movie? Oh, that's right, "An Inconvenient Truth," and the movie will document his efforts to raise alarm on the effects of global warming, and so he brought Tipper and the kids out there.
He's attending parties and posing for pictures with his fans. He's enjoying macaroni and cheese at the Discovery Channel's soirée. He's palling around with Laurie David of Curb Your Enthusiasm, who is the husband of Larry David, who drives the Prius and then flies the GV. Larry David says, "You know, Al is a funny guy, but he's also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan." Now, the last time I heard some liberal talk about "ten years" it was 1988, Ted Danson. We had ten years to save the oceans; we were all going to pay the consequences, which would result in our death. Now Al Gore says we've got ten years. Ten years left to save the planet from a scorching. Okay, we're going to start counting. This is January 27th, 2006. We will begin the count, ladies and gentlemen. This is just... You have to love these people -- from afar, and from a purely observational point of view.
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my prediction.... this year the fed will lower rates to save the dollar, which will cripple the real estate market. couple that with the fact the white house will probably reveal global warming is a serious problem and coastal real estate in the US is gonna be a sucker's buy :(
YES!!! i just bought house by the beach 6 months ago!!!!
ill just put it on 50ft stilts or something......
BUILD YOUR ARKS.......
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RUSH: Try this one from yesterday's stack. I don't know if you people know this or not, but Al Gore has been out at the Sundance Film Festival out there in Park City, Utah. This is one of Robert Redford's big do's, and apparently Al Gore is working on a movie that -- what is the name of this movie? Oh, that's right, "An Inconvenient Truth," and the movie will document his efforts to raise alarm on the effects of global warming, and so he brought Tipper and the kids out there.
He's attending parties and posing for pictures with his fans. He's enjoying macaroni and cheese at the Discovery Channel's soirée. He's palling around with Laurie David of Curb Your Enthusiasm, who is the husband of Larry David, who drives the Prius and then flies the GV. Larry David says, "You know, Al is a funny guy, but he's also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan." Now, the last time I heard some liberal talk about "ten years" it was 1988, Ted Danson. We had ten years to save the oceans; we were all going to pay the consequences, which would result in our death. Now Al Gore says we've got ten years. Ten years left to save the planet from a scorching. Okay, we're going to start counting. This is January 27th, 2006. We will begin the count, ladies and gentlemen. This is just... You have to love these people -- from afar, and from a purely observational point of view.
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I hear RUSH saying it. Can you point us at a quote where GORE says it?
Rush admitted to "carrying the water for the republicans" for several years, promoting policy he didn't personally agree with out of loyalty for the party, didn't he? (This would make him quite the untrustworthy source for information about a Democratic leader).
Can you source the Gore quote that says "Al Gore says we've got ten years"?
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That will help illegal immigration.........much further to swim from cuba.
LMAO...I missed this post..Hahahahahahahahaha hahah!!
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Hhahahahahahahahaha..... ..............according to Gore, we're all going to die in 10 years!!
RUSH: Try this one from yesterday's stack. I don't know if you people know this or not, but Al Gore has been out at the Sundance Film Festival out there in Park City, Utah. This is one of Robert Redford's big do's, and apparently Al Gore is working on a movie that -- what is the name of this movie? Oh, that's right, "An Inconvenient Truth," and the movie will document his efforts to raise alarm on the effects of global warming, and so he brought Tipper and the kids out there.
He's attending parties and posing for pictures with his fans. He's enjoying macaroni and cheese at the Discovery Channel's soirée. He's palling around with Laurie David of Curb Your Enthusiasm, who is the husband of Larry David, who drives the Prius and then flies the GV. Larry David says, "You know, Al is a funny guy, but he's also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan." Now, the last time I heard some liberal talk about "ten years" it was 1988, Ted Danson. We had ten years to save the oceans; we were all going to pay the consequences, which would result in our death. Now Al Gore says we've got ten years. Ten years left to save the planet from a scorching. Okay, we're going to start counting. This is January 27th, 2006. We will begin the count, ladies and gentlemen. This is just... You have to love these people -- from afar, and from a purely observational point of view.
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So where are the scientific facts like Gore provides in his video? This just sounds like some delusional, conservative, drug hoarding, pig shouting off his mouth ??? Nothing like a credible junkie!
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Hhahahahahahahahaha..... ..............according to Gore, we're all going to die in 10 years!!
RUSH: Try this one from yesterday's stack. I don't know if you people know this or not, but Al Gore has been out at the Sundance Film Festival out there in Park City, Utah. This is one of Robert Redford's big do's, and apparently Al Gore is working on a movie that -- what is the name of this movie? Oh, that's right, "An Inconvenient Truth," and the movie will document his efforts to raise alarm on the effects of global warming, and so he brought Tipper and the kids out there.
He's attending parties and posing for pictures with his fans. He's enjoying macaroni and cheese at the Discovery Channel's soirée. He's palling around with Laurie David of Curb Your Enthusiasm, who is the husband of Larry David, who drives the Prius and then flies the GV. Larry David says, "You know, Al is a funny guy, but he's also a very serious guy who believes humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan." Now, the last time I heard some liberal talk about "ten years" it was 1988, Ted Danson. We had ten years to save the oceans; we were all going to pay the consequences, which would result in our death. Now Al Gore says we've got ten years. Ten years left to save the planet from a scorching. Okay, we're going to start counting. This is January 27th, 2006. We will begin the count, ladies and gentlemen. This is just... You have to love these people -- from afar, and from a purely observational point of view.
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Serious question I-One,
Where is Al Gore saying that we have TEN years left?
-Hedge
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Where is Al Gore saying that we have TEN years left?
Al Gore is not. But NASA scientist Jim Hansen is. For example http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml)
"We have to, in the next 10 years, get off this exponential curve and begin to decrease the rate of growth of CO2 emissions," Hansen explains. "And then flatten it out. And before we get to the middle of the century, we’ve got to be on a declining curve.
"If that doesn't happen in 10 years, then I don’t think we can keep global warming under one degree Celsius and that means we’re going to, that there’s a great danger of passing some of these tipping points. If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate, what can you do about it? You can’t tie a rope around the ice sheet. You can’t build a wall around the ice sheets. It will be a situation that is out of our control."
also see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14834318/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14834318/)
and http://greenfuture.blogspot.com/2006/09/10-years-left-to-stop-global-warming.html (http://greenfuture.blogspot.com/2006/09/10-years-left-to-stop-global-warming.html)
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Al Gore is not. But NASA scientist Jim Hansen is. For example http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml)
"We have to, in the next 10 years, get off this exponential curve and begin to decrease the rate of growth of CO2 emissions," Hansen explains. "And then flatten it out. And before we get to the middle of the century, we’ve got to be on a declining curve.
"If that doesn't happen in 10 years, then I don’t think we can keep global warming under one degree Celsius and that means we’re going to, that there’s a great danger of passing some of these tipping points. If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate, what can you do about it? You can’t tie a rope around the ice sheet. You can’t build a wall around the ice sheets. It will be a situation that is out of our control."
also see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14834318/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14834318/)
and http://greenfuture.blogspot.com/2006/09/10-years-left-to-stop-global-warming.html (http://greenfuture.blogspot.com/2006/09/10-years-left-to-stop-global-warming.html)
He isn't saying we have TEN years left either.
He may say we have ten years left to do something, but Intenseone claims Gore says we are all going to die IN TEN YEARS.
-Hedge
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This is something I somewhat agree with. We really only have a short period of time before things get to the point where it can't be fixed, development is too rapid and the environment can't adjust to it in such short periods of time. I say because of the fact that so many are ignorant to the truth of what can/will/could happen it is already too late and things will never be changed in time to fix anything, we are all screwed.
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Global Warming propaganda.
Ever look to see how much water we are starting to store in reservoirs and even if very nation met there Kyoto targets, Nothing would be accomplished. China, India and the rest of the developing nations are exempt. China is going to build over 200 coal fired power plants in the next 20 years. India will probably be about the same.
America is going to have less and less impact on the health of the earth as China and India become fully developed.
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Global Warming propaganda.
Ever look to see how much water we are starting to store in reservoirs and even if very nation met there Kyoto targets, Nothing would be accomplished. China, India and the rest of the developing nations are exempt. China is going to build over 200 coal fired power plants in the next 20 years. India will probably be about the same.
America is going to have less and less impact on the health of the earth as China and India become fully developed.
So of course that means just do nothing ::)
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So of course that means just do nothing ::)
What can you do when we are talking about 2 countries who together have over 2.5billion people and are in the same stage of development as we were 100 years ago.
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What can you do when we are talking about 2 countries who together have over 2.5billion people and are in the same stage of development as we were 100 years ago.
I'm not saying shut it all down. I'd just like to see a serous attempt at alternative energy... There is not one... We all know if they wanted to be serious about it, like go to the moon, create the atom bomb type serious that we would all be fueling entire towns on completely clean energy in no time. But.... The main thing standing in the way of being serious about this: $$$$
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So of course that means just do nothing ::)
The answer isn't to make your yard prefect while your neighbors is a toxic waste dump.
You will get sick.
What needs to happen is to share technology with developed nations and give the technology for free to developing nations and come up with standards that all nations must meet in order to buy their goods.
Kind of like WTO.
Kyoto isn't the answer, it is expensive and will not reduce global warming.
Global economics and standards are the only way to change behavior.
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100 years behind - not quite. many have palm pilots :)
and given enough people you can work for pennies, the govt can make some power moves. we sure don't have that kinda mnfg potential here. and our piddly service economy is moving out too.
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I'm not saying shut it all down. I'd just like to see a serous attempt at alternative energy... There is not one... We all know if they wanted to be serious about it, like go to the moon, create the atom bomb type serious that we would all be fueling entire towns on completely clean energy in no time. But.... The main thing standing in the way of being serious about this: $$$$
There are many types of power that can be utilized that would greatly help global warming that are proven. Nuclear fission power and hydropower work well and are proven, but they have their own problems. The new style generators are much more efficient and retro fits help. Also there is CO2 sequestration this technology is starting to be used in Saskatchewan to help to further develop our oil production There are no silver bullets and compromises is the answer.
In the future there might be Nuclear fusion, Also Geothermal power will start to come down in price and is an endless source of energy.
It is not all doom and gloom.
But the answer is to get all nations aboard
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100 years behind - not quite. many have palm pilots :)
and given enough people you can work for pennies, the govt can make some power moves. we sure don't have that kinda mnfg potential here. and our piddly service economy is moving out too.
Well yeah urban area's are much more caught up but think of how large the percentage of their populations live in shacks with no power or maybe they might be lucky and have some light bulbs. Seriously though many of the undeveloped areas are no futher ahead in technology then we were 100 years ago, you know running drinking water, basic power, toilets/showers, crude gas powered vehicles. If they go through the same kind of industrial revolution as we did they you can expect massive amounts of pollution to be spewed from these countries that will be way worse then what was put out during the American and European industrial revolutions.
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There are many types of power that can be utilized that would greatly help global warming that are proven. Nuclear fission power and hydropower work well and are proven, but they have their own problems. The new style generators are much more efficient and retro fits help. Also there is CO2 sequestration this technology is starting to be used in Saskatchewan to help to further develop our oil production There are no silver bullets and compromises is the answer.
In the future there might be Nuclear fusion, Also Geothermal power will start to come down in price and is an endless source of energy.
It is not all doom and gloom.
But the answer is to get all nations aboard
NOSIR... YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN... you don't have to have all aboard to make this work... The answer is to lead by example... other nations will not want to be left in the dark ages and will willingly take up new technologies just as they have done time and time and time again when made available...
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China will never get on board and India doesn't have money. Their economy is controlled by a central government. The only thing that sways China is money.
If they were wanted to be leaders, they would not be building a whole bunch of new coal fired power plants.
The earth can't wait for lead by example. Trade and economics are the only factors that work.
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What can you do when we are talking about 2 countries who together have over 2.5billion people and are in the same stage of development as we were 100 years ago.
The US has 5% of the population, but uses 25% of the world's energy. we can certainly make a difference.
here is an example of a tipping point: there is a lot of frozen methane under the ocean in places like the Bahamas and in the Arctic. If all that methane were to melt and be released into the atmosphere, that would accelerate global warming even more.
here is how global warming could cause Europe to go into a deep freeze: the Gulf Current is a stream of warm water in the Atlantic Ocean that begins in the Caribbean, travels up the Eastern Seaboard of the US then across to Europe. It brings mild temperatures to New England and to Europe. If the Greenland ice sheet were to melt rather quickly, you'd have all the cold fresh water being dumped into the northern Atlantic. The gulf current would break down, probably take a generation or two or three to reestablish itself. the lack of warm water being brought to the west coast of Europe would cause Europe to have long and severe winters.
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The US has 5% of the population, but uses 25% of the world's energy. we can certainly make a difference.
here is an example of a tipping point: there is a lot of frozen methane under the ocean in places like the Bahamas and in the Arctic. If all that methane were to melt and be released into the atmosphere, that would accelerate global warming even more.
here is how global warming could cause Europe to go into a deep freeze: the Gulf Current is a stream of warm water in the Atlantic Ocean that begins in the Caribbean, travels up the Eastern Seaboard of the US then across to Europe. It brings mild temperatures to New England and to Europe. If the Greenland ice sheet were to melt rather quickly, you'd have all the cold fresh water being dumped into the northern Atlantic. The gulf current would break down, probably take a generation or two or three to reestablish itself. the lack of warm water being brought to the west coast of Europe would cause Europe to have long and severe winters.
The Frozen methane in the oceans will never melt.
It is frozen because of the enormous pressure of the water above and the thermocline of the ocean, which keeps the water at about 40 deg. This will never change it is science.
You want to know how you could greatly reduce energy consumption.
Insulate your freaking buildings and change your windows. This is the reason America uses so much energy for Air Conditioning and Heating.
A typical home in California os insulate to an R8 while in Canada it is R20.
Most energy consumption is used for power production. Reduction of energy usage through higher performing buildings would be the most help.
Followed by more efficient air conditioners and heat pumps and lastly by using better furnaces.
The other thing that must be done is the improvement of industry process that would help to reduce energy.