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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2007, 06:21:36 AM »
Global Warming propaganda.

Ever look to see how much water we are starting to store in reservoirs and even if very nation met there Kyoto targets, Nothing would be accomplished. China, India and the rest of the developing nations are exempt. China is going to build over 200 coal fired power plants in the next 20 years. India will probably be about the same.

America is going to have less and less impact on the health of the earth as China and India become fully developed.
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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2007, 06:32:30 AM »
Global Warming propaganda.

Ever look to see how much water we are starting to store in reservoirs and even if very nation met there Kyoto targets, Nothing would be accomplished. China, India and the rest of the developing nations are exempt. China is going to build over 200 coal fired power plants in the next 20 years. India will probably be about the same.

America is going to have less and less impact on the health of the earth as China and India become fully developed.
So of course that means just do nothing ::)

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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2007, 06:39:48 AM »
So of course that means just do nothing ::)

What can you do when we are talking about 2 countries who together have over 2.5billion people and are in the same stage of development as we were 100 years ago.
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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2007, 06:48:46 AM »
What can you do when we are talking about 2 countries who together have over 2.5billion people and are in the same stage of development as we were 100 years ago.
I'm not saying shut it all down.  I'd just like to see a serous attempt at alternative energy... There is not one...  We all know if they wanted to be serious about it, like go to the moon, create the atom bomb type serious that we would all be fueling entire towns on completely clean energy in no time.  But.... The main thing standing in the way of being serious about this: $$$$

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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2007, 06:50:12 AM »
So of course that means just do nothing ::)

The answer isn't to make your yard prefect while your neighbors is a toxic waste dump.
You will get sick.

What needs to happen is to share technology with developed nations and give the technology for free to developing nations and come up with standards that all nations must meet in order to buy their goods.
Kind of like WTO.
Kyoto isn't the answer, it is expensive and will not reduce global warming.

Global economics and standards are the only way to change behavior.
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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2007, 06:50:41 AM »
100 years behind - not quite. many have palm pilots :)

and given enough people you can work for pennies, the govt can make some power moves.  we sure don't have that kinda mnfg potential here.  and our piddly service economy is moving out too.


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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2007, 06:58:31 AM »
I'm not saying shut it all down.  I'd just like to see a serous attempt at alternative energy... There is not one...  We all know if they wanted to be serious about it, like go to the moon, create the atom bomb type serious that we would all be fueling entire towns on completely clean energy in no time.  But.... The main thing standing in the way of being serious about this: $$$$

There are many types of power that can be utilized that would greatly help global warming that are proven.  Nuclear fission power and hydropower work well and are proven, but they have their own problems. The new style generators are much more efficient and retro fits help. Also there is CO2 sequestration this technology is starting to be used in Saskatchewan to help to further develop our oil production There are no silver bullets and compromises is the answer.

In the future there might be Nuclear fusion, Also Geothermal power will start to come down in price and is an endless source of energy.

It is not all doom and gloom.

But the answer is to get all nations aboard
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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2007, 07:13:52 AM »
100 years behind - not quite. many have palm pilots :)

and given enough people you can work for pennies, the govt can make some power moves.  we sure don't have that kinda mnfg potential here.  and our piddly service economy is moving out too.



Well yeah urban area's are much more caught up but think of how large the percentage of their populations live in shacks with no power or maybe they might be lucky and have some light bulbs. Seriously though many of the undeveloped areas are no futher ahead in technology then we were 100 years ago, you know running drinking water, basic power, toilets/showers, crude gas powered vehicles. If they go through the same kind of industrial revolution as we did they you can expect massive amounts of pollution to be spewed from these countries that will be way worse then what was put out during the American and European industrial revolutions.
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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2007, 07:47:30 AM »
There are many types of power that can be utilized that would greatly help global warming that are proven.  Nuclear fission power and hydropower work well and are proven, but they have their own problems. The new style generators are much more efficient and retro fits help. Also there is CO2 sequestration this technology is starting to be used in Saskatchewan to help to further develop our oil production There are no silver bullets and compromises is the answer.

In the future there might be Nuclear fusion, Also Geothermal power will start to come down in price and is an endless source of energy.

It is not all doom and gloom.

But the answer is to get all nations aboard
NOSIR... YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN... you don't have to have all aboard to make this work... The answer is to lead by example... other nations will not want to be left in the dark ages and will willingly take up new technologies just as they have done time and time and time again when made available...

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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2007, 07:57:47 AM »
China will never get on board and India doesn't have money. Their economy is controlled by a central government. The only thing that sways China is money.

If they were wanted to be leaders, they would not be building a whole bunch of new coal fired power plants.

The earth can't wait for lead by example. Trade and economics are the only factors that work.
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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2007, 10:06:28 AM »
What can you do when we are talking about 2 countries who together have over 2.5billion people and are in the same stage of development as we were 100 years ago.

The US has 5% of the population, but uses 25% of the world's energy.  we can certainly make a difference.

here is an example of a tipping point:   there is a lot of frozen methane under the ocean in places like the Bahamas and in the Arctic.  If all that methane were to melt and be released into the atmosphere, that would accelerate global warming even more.

here is how global warming could cause Europe to go into a deep freeze:   the Gulf Current is a stream of warm water in the Atlantic Ocean that begins in the Caribbean, travels up the Eastern Seaboard of the US then across to Europe.  It brings mild temperatures to New England and to Europe.   If the Greenland ice sheet were to melt rather quickly, you'd have all the cold fresh water being dumped into the northern Atlantic.  The gulf current would break down, probably take a generation or two or three to reestablish itself.   the lack of warm water being brought to the west coast of Europe would cause Europe to have long and severe winters.

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Re: Rob Zircoolio looking at a million-dollar payday...
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2007, 11:34:34 AM »
The US has 5% of the population, but uses 25% of the world's energy.  we can certainly make a difference.

here is an example of a tipping point:   there is a lot of frozen methane under the ocean in places like the Bahamas and in the Arctic.  If all that methane were to melt and be released into the atmosphere, that would accelerate global warming even more.

here is how global warming could cause Europe to go into a deep freeze:   the Gulf Current is a stream of warm water in the Atlantic Ocean that begins in the Caribbean, travels up the Eastern Seaboard of the US then across to Europe.  It brings mild temperatures to New England and to Europe.   If the Greenland ice sheet were to melt rather quickly, you'd have all the cold fresh water being dumped into the northern Atlantic.  The gulf current would break down, probably take a generation or two or three to reestablish itself.   the lack of warm water being brought to the west coast of Europe would cause Europe to have long and severe winters.

The Frozen methane in the oceans will never melt.

It is frozen because of the enormous pressure of the water above and the thermocline of the ocean, which keeps the water at about 40 deg. This will never change it is science.

You want to know how you could greatly reduce energy consumption.
Insulate your freaking buildings and change your windows. This is the reason America uses so much energy for Air Conditioning and Heating.
A typical home in California os insulate to an R8 while in Canada it is R20.
Most energy consumption is used for power production. Reduction of energy usage through higher performing buildings would be the most help.

Followed by more efficient air conditioners and heat pumps and lastly by using better furnaces.

The other thing that must be done is the improvement of industry process that would help to reduce energy.
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