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What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« on: January 03, 2007, 06:13:02 PM »
Before they jumped off the bandwagon.  Interesting reading.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
    Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
    Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
    Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
    Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
    Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

More statements, complete with pictures, here:  http://www.freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2007, 06:15:45 PM »
If America nuked london would it matter what anyone said about it?

No.

A mistake is a mistake no matter who voted for what.  And the administration who pushed this war the BUSH admin.  They provided the reasons.  Not the dems.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2007, 06:19:03 PM »
That's what we get when Cheney/Rummy make up their own intelligence agency in the bowels of the pentagon to make up false intelligence and provide every member of congress a report built from lies...  If what they read had been true, all the above statements are valid.  Once they learned as most have that the report was bullshit, they flipped... I see nothing here other than they trusted an admin that lied.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2007, 06:21:47 PM »
If America nuked london would it matter what anyone said about it?

No.

A mistake is a mistake no matter who voted for what.  And the administration who pushed this war the BUSH admin.  They provided the reasons.  Not the dems.

Then there are the resolutions supporting the war, after it started, which nearly every Democrat voted in favor of.  

Of course it matters what our legislators said about the war.  They help set policy.  They vote on resolutions.  They influence public opinion.  

They also get to play "hear no evil, see no evil" when things go south and pretend like they didn't have a clue about what was going on.  Like Hillary categorically saying "It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."  Amazing.    


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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2007, 06:23:46 PM »
Then there are the resolutions supporting the war, after it started, which nearly every Democrat voted in favor of. 

Of course it matters what our legislators said about the war.  They help set policy.  They vote on resolutions.  They influence public opinion. 

They also get to play "hear no evil, see no evil" when things go south and pretend like they didn't have a clue about what was going on.  Like Hillary categorically saying "It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."  Amazing.     



probably so BB.  But remember the contention here isn;t about who supported it,  it's about it being woring and the administration that pushed the war to begin with.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2007, 06:35:13 PM »
probably so BB.  But remember the contention here isn;t about who supported it,  it's about it being woring and the administration that pushed the war to begin with.

Actually it's about people saying Bush lied about the reason we went to war, when Democrats independently made very strong statements supporting the reason we went to war.  I don't see how you can read those statements and not conclude Democrats are engaging in pure politics now with the war issue. 

Now, I do not agree with the way the war has been conducted, but when we're talking about the reason we went to war in the first place, it is clear that there was bipartisan support on the WMD issue and the fact that Saddam was a threat.  Or least they (Congress and Bush) believed he was and led the public to believe he was. 

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2007, 06:49:14 PM »
Beach Bum,

Who delivered this intel to these democrats?

If they used it to make decisions about war, they sure must have trusted the source.

what was the source of this WMD intel?

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2007, 06:54:24 PM »
the wmd information was wrong,, who argues this. bush has admitted to that,, out cia was f'ed up..

all of the Democrats were for the war, john kerry argued for weeks about his support for the war
but guess what happend in '04.. bush had a very high approval rating and the election was comming,, so what did the dems do. they created the whole ''theres no wmd's so we were lied to''. thats where it all started.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2007, 06:57:09 PM »
 ::) where it all started was with them lying their butts off...


THIS IS A MUST SEE, THESE ARE HIGH CRIMES... THEY COULDN'T GET THE INTELLIGENCE THEY WANTED TO MEET THE GOAL OF WAR WITH IRAQ SOOOOO CHENEY/RUMMY MADE THEIR OWN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY IN THE BOWELS OF THE PENTAGON TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE THAT MET THE IRAQ WAR GOALS.  GOOD DOCUMENTARY, VERY DAMAGING TO CHENEY AND THE NEOTURDS...

On 9/11, deep inside a White House bunker, Vice President Dick Cheney ordered U.S. fighter planes to shoot down any commercial airliner still in the air above America. At that moment, CIA Director George Tenet met with his counter-terrorism team in Langley, Virginia. Both leaders acted fast, to prepare their country for a new kind of war. But soon a debate would grow over the goals of the war on terror, and the decision to go to war in Iraq.

Amid revelations about faulty prewar intelligence and a scandal surrounding the indictment of the vice president's chief of staff and presidential adviser, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, FRONTLINE goes behind the headlines to investigate the internal war that was waged between the intelligence community and Richard Bruce Cheney, the most powerful vice president in the nation's history
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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2007, 06:57:52 PM »
what was the source of this WMD intel?

the wmd information was wrong,, who argues this. bush has admitted to that,, out cia was f'ed up..

Which CIA members have been fired/jailed/disciplined for delivering information so blatently false, leading to the death of 300 soldiers?

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2007, 06:58:36 PM »
Dems didn't drum this up, it's a fact...

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2007, 06:58:50 PM »
what was the source of this WMD intel?

the wmd information was wrong,, who argues this. bush has admitted to that,, out cia was f'ed up..

What was the date Bush realized the information was wrong?

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2007, 07:05:16 PM »
What was the date Bush realized the information was wrong?

when he ordered it...

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2007, 07:08:18 PM »
The WMD issue predates Bush.  Just ask Speaker Pelosi: 

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2007, 07:13:44 PM »
The WMD issue predates Bush.  Just ask Speaker Pelosi: 

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
ancient history... He was delt with then...  all intelligence showed Iraq was not a danger after 9/11  Powell and Rice both said this before 9/11.  The CIA said this in the days after 9/11... Bush pushed for intelligence to meet his policy and got his way... That's pretty much a fact now...

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2007, 07:17:42 PM »
the ignorance of you guys is incredible.. do you really think bush went up to the senate and say "hey guys lets start a war in iraq, i wont give you any proof lets just do it for fun" ,, john kerry saw the same shit that bush did. they were all given the same intelligence. you cant argue that bush had made the shit up either, because every intelligence agency in the world thought the same thing,, remember we didnt go to war alone because other countrys saw him as a threat too.


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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2007, 07:21:34 PM »
the ignorance of you guys is incredible.. do you really think bush went up to the senate and say "hey guys lets start a war in iraq, i wont give you any proof lets just do it for fun" ,, john kerry saw the same shit that bush did. they were all given the same intelligence. you cant argue that bush had made the shit up either, because every intelligence agency in the world thought the same thing,, remember we didnt go to war alone because other countrys saw him as a threat too.


That is absolutely correct.  That's why John Kerry said:  "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2007, 07:27:29 PM »
the ignorance of you guys is incredible.. do you really think bush went up to the senate and say "hey guys lets start a war in iraq, i wont give you any proof lets just do it for fun" ,, john kerry saw the same shit that bush did. they were all given the same intelligence. you cant argue that bush had made the shit up either, because every intelligence agency in the world thought the same thing,, remember we didnt go to war alone because other countrys saw him as a threat too.


by all means don't review any material provided, just ignorantly accuse others of ignorance ::)

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2007, 07:29:18 PM »
Amazing how Beach and other righties have to make their case by constantly ignoring and outright refusing to look at data provided that refutes their false image... Keep living in lala land ::)

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2007, 07:38:38 PM »
Amazing how Beach and other righties have to make their case by constantly ignoring and outright refusing to look at data provided that refutes their false image... Keep living in lala land ::)
yes, yes it is

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2007, 08:31:30 PM »
What amazes me is that people are still making this a rep/dem issue.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2007, 08:35:46 PM »
What amazes me is that people are still making this a rep/dem issue.


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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2007, 08:42:49 PM »
Yeah i don't get why people can;t see this.  foriegn policy doesn;t change all that much with different administrations.  Our foreign policiy is driven by our economic interests  the more our economy flourishes, the more our companies get richer the more our government can tax them and the middle class.  Companies and corporations will lobby and support representatives in congress, the presidency and the senate who have their interests at heart.   There is now way you can get elected with out corporate support of some kind.


When people say if the dems were in power we'd be unsafe is crazy. 

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2007, 08:46:27 PM »
One thing I noticed watching hannity & Colmes tnoight...

Colmes kept attacking policy and actions of Bush and republicans.  he pointed out their mistakes, their bad current decisions, and

Hannity retorted by delivering some hypothetical of how it would be worse if the liberals had their way", then tried to apply the local policy of one extreme dem to the war in iraq. Essentially, he created a position that he believed they would take.

Repub vs. Dem

Policy vs. Prediction.
Deeds vs. Hypotneticals.

history vs. labels.

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Re: What Democrats Said About The War In Iraq
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 08:54:30 PM »
The dems would have done the same thing and the repubs would be attacking just like the dems are. Its politics and about power. They could all care less that our guys are dying over here.
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