Prayer and Religion in Public Life

[Humble Narcissist]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brutal but true.

[Skeletor]

More craziness from the religious extremists.


Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12

Oklahoma’s top education official ordered public schools Thursday to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12, the latest effort by conservatives to incorporate religion into classrooms.

The order sent to districts across the state by Republican State Superintendent Ryan Walters says adherence to the mandate is compulsory and “immediate and strict compliance is expected.”

“The Bible is an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone,” Walters said in a statement. “Without basic knowledge of it, Oklahoma students are unable to properly contextualize the foundation of our nation which is why Oklahoma educational standards provide for its instruction.”

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-religion-ryan-walters-d15be2f74df2ffbbdfdc549569d06c4e

[Humble Narcissist]

More craziness from the religious extremists.


Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12

Oklahoma’s top education official ordered public schools Thursday to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12, the latest effort by conservatives to incorporate religion into classrooms.

The order sent to districts across the state by Republican State Superintendent Ryan Walters says adherence to the mandate is compulsory and “immediate and strict compliance is expected.”

“The Bible is an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone,” Walters said in a statement. “Without basic knowledge of it, Oklahoma students are unable to properly contextualize the foundation of our nation which is why Oklahoma educational standards provide for its instruction.”

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-religion-ryan-walters-d15be2f74df2ffbbdfdc549569d06c4e

They have to know this will get banned by the courts.

[Man of Steel]

religious wokery and virtue signaling

More craziness from the religious extremists.


Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible in grades 5 through 12

Oklahoma’s top education official ordered public schools Thursday to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12, the latest effort by conservatives to incorporate religion into classrooms.

The order sent to districts across the state by Republican State Superintendent Ryan Walters says adherence to the mandate is compulsory and “immediate and strict compliance is expected.”

“The Bible is an indispensable historical and cultural touchstone,” Walters said in a statement. “Without basic knowledge of it, Oklahoma students are unable to properly contextualize the foundation of our nation which is why Oklahoma educational standards provide for its instruction.”

https://apnews.com/article/oklahoma-bible-schools-religion-ryan-walters-d15be2f74df2ffbbdfdc549569d06c4e

Neither of you need worry about Christianity as it will be globally outlawed soon enough.  Sure other religious belief will be tolerated but those systems wil be of no consequence as they add zero accountability or uncomfortable truth to disrupt days of self worship.  It's only Christ that is hated and once fully rejected the era of tolerance can thrive.  It will come with an ultimate price but that debt has been paid.  See the gospel thread pinned to the top and trust only in king Jesus before it's too late.

[Man of Steel]

Sometimes, in the US at least, Christianiaty's greatest threat comes from some self professed christians preference for Old Testement certainties rather than give primacy to the words and teachings of Christ

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
 ‘Love your neighbor as yourself'

All that matters brother is trust in Jesus.

[Skeletor]

Neither of you need worry about Christianity as it will be globally outlawed soon enough.  Sure other religious belief will be tolerated but those systems wil be of no consequence as they add zero accountability or uncomfortable truth to disrupt days of self worship.  It's only Christ that is hated and once fully rejected the era of tolerance can thrive.  It will come with an ultimate price but that debt has been paid.  See the gospel thread pinned to the top and trust only in king Jesus before it's too late.

The usual "the poor christians are being persecuted in the US/war against christmas" whining. Do you agree with what happens in Oklahoma and Louisiana? I don't worry about christianity as long as they don't try to interfere in public life like that. And that applies to shitslam, judaism, sikhism and other religions.

[avxo]

Neither of you need worry about Christianity as it will be globally outlawed soon enough.  Sure other religious belief will be tolerated but those systems wil be of no consequence as they add zero accountability or uncomfortable truth to disrupt days of self worship.  It's only Christ that is hated and once fully rejected the era of tolerance can thrive.  It will come with an ultimate price but that debt has been paid.  See the gospel thread pinned to the top and trust only in king Jesus before it's too late.

"Only Christ is hated" Seriously?!? So Muhammad isn't broadly hated? What about Allah? Hell, forget those two. What about Satan, the big baddie of your very own religious beliefs, whom God claims to be able to be able to eliminate at any time but whom he chooses to allow to stick around to fuck things up because, well, reasons?

"Christianity [...] will be globally outlawed"? Again, seriously? Christianity is a virulent business and potent mind-killer and, by all metrics seems to be thriving. Oh sure, you now have a little more competition by Islam in the West, the Buddhist hocus-pocus is becoming more mainstream, and the New Age bullshit continues to be a boon for sellers of crystals and yoga mats. But your beliefs, stupid though they may be, aren't going to be legislated away.

And it's ironic for you to talk about outlawing anything, given the very open and very vocal agenda of many Christians to actually use the law to enforce their beliefs.

You must be either incredibly fucking high or incredibly fucking stupid. I'm quite concerned that I'm unable to discern which.

[Skeletor]

"Only Christ is hated" Seriously?!? So Muhammad isn't broadly hated? What about Allah? Hell, forget those two. What about Satan, the big baddie of your very own religious beliefs, whom God claims to be able to be able to eliminate at any time but whom he chooses to allow to stick around to fuck things up because, well, reasons?

"Christianity [...] will be globally outlawed"? Again, seriously? Christianity is a virulent business and potent mind-killer and, by all metrics seems to be thriving. Oh sure, you now have a little more competition by Islam in the West, the Buddhist hocus-pocus is becoming more mainstream, and the New Age bullshit continues to be a boon for sellers of crystals and yoga mats. But your beliefs, stupid though they may be, aren't going to be legislated away.

And it's ironic for you to talk about outlawing anything, given the very open and very vocal agenda of many Christians to actually use the law to enforce their beliefs.

You must be either incredibly fucking high or incredibly fucking stupid. I'm quite concerned that I'm unable to discern which.

The great avxo is back in the religious board! I hope Man of Steel is prepared.

[Man of Steel]

"Only Christ is hated" Seriously?!? So Muhammad isn't broadly hated? What about Allah? Hell, forget those two. What about Satan, the big baddie of your very own religious beliefs, whom God claims to be able to be able to eliminate at any time but whom he chooses to allow to stick around to fuck things up because, well, reasons?

"Christianity [...] will be globally outlawed"? Again, seriously? Christianity is a virulent business and potent mind-killer and, by all metrics seems to be thriving. Oh sure, you now have a little more competition by Islam in the West, the Buddhist hocus-pocus is becoming more mainstream, and the New Age bullshit continues to be a boon for sellers of crystals and yoga mats. But your beliefs, stupid though they may be, aren't going to be legislated away.

And it's ironic for you to talk about outlawing anything, given the very open and very vocal agenda of many Christians to actually use the law to enforce their beliefs.

You must be either incredibly fucking high or incredibly fucking stupid. I'm quite concerned that I'm unable to discern which.

Let's go with incredibly stupid...all the best.

[Man of Steel]

The great avxo is back in the religious board! I hope Man of Steel is prepared.

Prepared for what?  Since I don't know, probably not.

[Skeletor]

Lawyer for megachurch pastor blamed 12-year-old for initiating ‘inappropriate’ sexual conduct

In 1982, pastor Robert Morris was a 21-year-old husband and father who traveled the country telling young people about Jesus.

Cindy Clemishire was a 12-year-old girl who dressed in flowery pink pajamas and still liked to play with Barbie dolls.

On Christmas that year, Morris — who would go on to found Gateway Church in Southlake, Texas, and become a leading figure in the American evangelical movement — began what he would later describe as “inappropriate sexual behavior” with Clemishire while he was staying at her parents’ home in Oklahoma. Clemishire said Morris told her to come see him in his room before bed, and she was the type of girl who listened to instructions from trusted adults.

But 25 years later, when Clemishire hired an attorney and threatened to sue Morris, accusing him of repeatedly molesting her as a child, a lawyer representing Morris responded by blaming Clemishire for what happened to her, according to 2007 correspondence obtained by NBC News.

“It was your client,” wrote lawyer J. Shelby Sharpe, referring to Clemishire at age 12, “who initiated inappropriate behavior by coming into my client’s bedroom and getting in bed with him, which my client should not have allowed to happen.”

The Feb. 6, 2007, letter was one in a series of exchanges that year between Sharpe and Gentner Drummond, a lawyer who represented Clemishire at the time. Clemishire said in an interview last week she had been seeking $50,000 in restitution from Morris to cover the cost of counseling. Morris, through his lawyer, instead offered to pay $25,000, but the talks fell apart, Clemishire said, because she was not willing to sign a nondisclosure agreement.

Drummond, who is now Oklahoma’s attorney general, confirmed Clemishire’s description of the 2007 negotiations and declined to comment further.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/robert-morris-gateway-church-lawyer-letters-cindy-clemishire-rcna160661

[Humble Narcissist]

^^^Those damn slutty 12 year olds are out of control.

[Man of Steel]

The usual "the poor christians are being persecuted in the US/war against christmas" whining. Do you agree with what happens in Oklahoma and Louisiana? I don't worry about christianity as long as they don't try to interfere in public life like that. And that applies to shitslam, judaism, sikhism and other religions.

It's not "whoa is me" Christianity....it just is... Christians are hated and that hate will increase.  From a political perspective, Christian values should not be forced upon you.  Religious perspective, there is only Christ and a world led by King Jesus always has my vote.

[avxo]

It's not "whoa is me" Christianity....it just is... Christians are hated and that hate will increase.

Whereas Muslims are, what? Loved? Come on, let's be real. Christians are much less hated than several other groups and aren't really hated on account of being Christians. Some Christians are hated on account of being hypocritical, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou douchebags who cry foul anytime someone says "Happy Holidays", complain that AC/DC means "Anti-Christ / Death-to-Christ" and seek to dictate how people can use their own genitals and, more broadly, live their own life. And yes, they basically paint every other Christian in a horrible and disgusting light; who's really to blame for that?

From a political perspective, Christian values should not be forced upon you.

Christian values should not be forced upon anyone under any perspective. And yet, that's what many Christians actually try to do and quite successfully, without a trace of shame.

Religious perspective, there is only Christ and a world led by King Jesus always has my vote.

Why does "King Jesus" need your vote? He's never asked for your vote; he only demanded your blind, unquestioned faith. If you really believe that God has a plan, isn't it presumptious to do anything other than let God's plan come to pass according to God's own schedule and without interfering?

After all, if "King Jesus" actually wanted the world to be different than it is, all he had to do was close his eyes, click his heels three times and... lo! it would be, with no voting of any kind necessary.

But the world isn't that way, which is a problem for you, because it strikes at the core of your childish beliefs: in the story arc that will, sometime in the future but really at any moment now, culminate in the second coming and bring about the millennium kingdom, followed by a brief skirmish and the final defeat of evil before everyone goes on to live happily ever after. THE END.

[AbrahamG]

All that matters brother is trust in Jesus.

No. That's just bullshit. Who gives a fuck if I trust and believe in Jesus if I don't try to follow his example?

[avxo]

No. That's just bullshit. Who gives a fuck if I trust and believe in Jesus if I don't try to follow his example?

But that’s hard! Nice, easy belief! All your sins get washed away, no effort needed.

[The Scott]

No. That's just bullshit. Who gives a fuck if I trust and believe in Jesus if I don't try to follow his example?

But that’s hard! Nice, easy belief! All your sins get washed away, no effort needed.

Anyone can lay claim to "sharing" their faith in the Nazarene and that can be seen daily.  Pffffft!  What's needed is for people to live their faith in the Nazarene.

Effort is needed of course, but so too is the true desire to live the faith.   It is also quite easy to belittle Christians.  Try it on some mooslimes and see what happens. I have done so several times in my life, perhaps as many can be counted on the fingers of both hands.  They do not like that at all.  Most here avoid those scum and who can blame them for they are a murderous lot. 

[Man of Steel]

"Only Christ is hated" Seriously?!? So Muhammad isn't broadly hated? What about Allah? Hell, forget those two. What about Satan, the big baddie of your very own religious beliefs, whom God claims to be able to be able to eliminate at any time but whom he chooses to allow to stick around to fuck things up because, well, reasons?

"Christianity [...] will be globally outlawed"? Again, seriously? Christianity is a virulent business and potent mind-killer and, by all metrics seems to be thriving. Oh sure, you now have a little more competition by Islam in the West, the Buddhist hocus-pocus is becoming more mainstream, and the New Age bullshit continues to be a boon for sellers of crystals and yoga mats. But your beliefs, stupid though they may be, aren't going to be legislated away.

And it's ironic for you to talk about outlawing anything, given the very open and very vocal agenda of many Christians to actually use the law to enforce their beliefs.

You must be either incredibly fucking high or incredibly fucking stupid. I'm quite concerned that I'm unable to discern which.

I don't do the "you say up, I say down" back and forth stuff anymore with anyone.   We already agreed I'm incredibly stupid.

[Man of Steel]

No. That's just bullshit. Who gives a fuck if I trust and believe in Jesus if I don't try to follow his example?

I care very much.  I want to know you as a brother in Christ.  Above all that the Lord Jesus cares more deeply than I can even fathom.

[AbrahamG]

I care very much.  I want to know you as a brother in Christ.  Above all that the Lord Jesus cares more deeply than I can even fathom.

Why would you care about someone professing your faith if he/she/they don't live it?

[Man of Steel]

Why would you care about someone professing your faith if he/she/they don't live it?

I have no control over how people live.  I can't change a grown adult.  All I can do is share my faith and live out Christ's example to the best of my ability.  If I didn't care about people I wouldn't share my faith at all and as such wouldn't represent Christ.

[Skeletor]

Surely this will end up in court.


Louisiana law signed, first in US to require Ten Commandments in the classroom

Louisiana public schools will now be required to display the Ten Commandments in every classroom, following a new law signed on Wednesday by Republican Gov. Jeff Landry.

The first state to take such action, Louisiana's legislation mandates a poster-sized display of the religious rules in “large, easily readable font” for kindergarten classrooms up to state-funded universities starting in 2025.

"If you want to respect the rule of law you've got to start from the original law given, which was Moses," Landry said during the bill-signing ceremony.

The crowd applauded and one "amen" was heard while the governor spoke.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/19/ten-commandments-required-louisiana-classrooms-law/74150508007/

Louisiana governor tells parents against Ten Commandments in classrooms: 'Tell your child not to look'

Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry has a suggestion for parents who don't believe the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public school classrooms throughout the state.

"Tell your child not to look at them," he told reporters Monday.

The Republican governor defended the controversial legislation during a news conference announcing how Louisiana intends to fend off a lawsuit that argues that it is unconstitutional to hang the Ten Commandments in state-funded school and college classrooms.

But the move prompted a coalition of parents — Jewish, Christian, Unitarian Universalist and nonreligious — to sue the state days later in federal court. They argue that the legislation "substantially interferes with and burdens" their First Amendment right to raise their children with whatever religious doctrine they want.

Landry said the backlash against the law is unwarranted. House Bill 71 passed overwhelmingly and included bipartisan support from some Democrats, he added.

Given that Republicans hold a supermajority in both chambers of the state Legislature, which has allowed Landry to push forward a conservative, tough-on-crime agenda, the governor upheld the Ten Commandments law as an example of how "the majority gets to rule."

"I don't see what the whole big fuss is about," he said Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-governor-tells-parents-ten-commandments-classrooms-tell-chil-rcna165147

[Dos Equis]

Olympic Gold Medalist Sydney McLaughlin on her relationship with God:

“I credit all that I do to God. Regardless of what happens, He’s going to get the praise. Every time I step on the track I pray “let me be the vessel in which you’re glorified”… That’s why I do what I do.”

https://x.com/annamlulis/status/1821753096957047224

[Dos Equis]

Trump Says He’s ‘More of a Believer’ in God after Assassination Attempt
By: Jason Walsh
August 13, 2024
https://www.dailyfetched.com/trump-says-hes-more-of-a-believer-in-god-after-assassination-attempt/

[B_B_C]

Trump Says He’s ‘More of a Believer’ in God after Assassination Attempt
By: Jason Walsh
August 13, 2024
https://www.dailyfetched.com/trump-says-hes-more-of-a-believer-in-god-after-assassination-attempt/

but does God believe in Mr Trump?