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Polling the Occupy Wall Street Crowd
In interviews, protesters show that they are leftists out of step with most American voters. Yet Democrats are embracing them anyway.

By DOUGLAS SCHOEN

President Obama and the Democratic leadership are making a critical error in embracing the Occupy Wall Street movement—and it may cost them the 2012 election.

Last week, senior White House adviser David Plouffe said that "the protests you're seeing are the same conversations people are having in living rooms and kitchens all across America. . . . People are frustrated by an economy that does not reward hard work and responsibility, where Wall Street and Main Street don't seem to play by the same set of rules." Nancy Pelosi and others have echoed the message.

Yet the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people—and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.

The protesters have a distinct ideology and are bound by a deep commitment to radical left-wing policies. On Oct. 10 and 11, Arielle Alter Confino, a senior researcher at my polling firm, interviewed nearly 200 protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park. Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion.

Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn't represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse. Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence. Half (52%) have participated in a political movement before, virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals, and nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.

The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).

An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.

Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party.

What binds a large majority of the protesters together—regardless of age, socioeconomic status or education—is a deep commitment to left-wing policies: opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth, intense regulation of the private sector, and protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.

Sixty-five percent say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement—no matter the cost. By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor. And by a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).

Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That's why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

In 1970, aligning too closely with the antiwar movement hurt Democrats in the midterm election, when many middle-class and working-class Americans ended up supporting hawkish candidates who condemned student disruptions. While that 1970 election should have been a sweep against the first-term Nixon administration, it was instead one of only four midterm elections since 1938 when the president's party didn't lose seats.

With the Democratic Party on the defensive throughout the 1970 campaign, liberal Democrats were only able to win on Election Day by distancing themselves from the student protest movement. So Adlai Stevenson III pinned an American flag to his lapel, appointed Chicago Seven prosecutor Thomas Foran chairman of his Citizen's Committee, and emphasized "law and order"—a tactic then employed by Ted Kennedy, who denounced the student protesters as "campus commandos" who must be repudiated, "especially by those who may share their goals."

Today, having abandoned any effort to work with the congressional super committee to craft a bipartisan agreement on deficit reduction, President Obama has thrown in with those who support his desire to tax oil companies and the rich, rather than appeal to independent and self-described moderate swing voters who want smaller government and lower taxes, not additional stimulus or interference in the private sector.

Rather than embracing huge new spending programs and tax increases, plus increasingly radical and potentially violent activists, the Democrats should instead build a bridge to the much more numerous independents and moderates in the center by opposing bailouts and broad-based tax increases.

Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes. And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.

Mr. Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is author of "Hopelessly Divided: The New Crisis in American Politics and What It Means for 2012 and Beyond," forthcoming from Rowman and Littlefield.

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Gee, who'd have thought they were teat-sucking trust-fund douches?  ::)

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If they're still around come election time, I predict Obama will distance himself from these motherfuckers faster than he ran from Reverend White.

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If they're still around come election time, I predict Obama will distance himself from these motherfuckers faster than he ran from Reverend White.

He refused to meet with them in NC today.

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He refused to meet with them in NC today.


Interesting.  So it begins...

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Interesting.  So it begins...

He's a fucking parasite. How many different "causes" has he backed now? Whatever the flavor of the month is, you can guarantee he'll be there attaching his sucker to it.

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if they last a year, i bet the GOP starts sucking up to them.

did you hear the audio of Geraldo from FOX, giving handjobs to the crowd?  "I protested nam, i'm just like you..." while they chanted "Fox sucks"

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if they last a year, i bet the GOP starts sucking up to them.

did you hear the audio of Geraldo from FOX, giving handjobs to the crowd?  "I protested nam, i'm just like you..." while they chanted "Fox sucks"

The GOP starts sucking up to them? Fucking crackheads, man. Try thinking instead of typing the first thought those three synapses vomit up.

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The GOP starts sucking up to them? Fucking crackheads, man. Try thinking instead of typing the first thought those three synapses vomit up.

you dont think candidates of the right - if it's damn close on their 2012 election - will try to appeal to them?  You bet they will.

Geraldo was kissing their ass.   And i've noticed the initial nonstop criticism from the politicians on the right seems to have stopped ;)

you think as the movement grew, their criticism would grow.  they want those votes.

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The GOP starts sucking up to them? Fucking crackheads, man. Try thinking instead of typing the first thought those three synapses vomit up.


Agreed.  No way the GOP starts sucking up to them.

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Agreed.  No way the GOP starts sucking up to them.

I guess we'll see.

Rallies all over the world, camping out in cities in almost every state - and http://www.foxnews.com/ doesn't even have them on their home page.

i spose "moon mining" (yes, seriously) is more newsworthy?  ;)

They've gone from bashing to ignoring.  Did you notice?

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 05:46:49 PM »
you dont think candidates of the right - if it's damn close on their 2012 election - will try to appeal to them?  You bet they will.

Geraldo was kissing their ass.   And i've noticed the initial nonstop criticism from the politicians on the right seems to have stopped ;)

you think as the movement grew, their criticism would grow.  they want those votes.

Did you read any of the article I posted? There is no way the GOP sucks up to these commies nor is there anyway they let the GOP suck up to them.  ::)

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 05:54:35 PM »
Did you read any of the article I posted? There is no way the GOP sucks up to these commies nor is there anyway they let the GOP suck up to them.  ::)

I think if it lasts, they will.  They want to win re-election.  Even if it's just "let's stop attacking the OWS marchers"....

I'm showing you that FOX, who last week was covering them nonstop, is now ignoring them - even as the rallies GROW.  huge difference.

If the tea party was in 40 countries, marching in the streets, methinks fox would be covering it ;)

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2011, 06:14:48 PM »
I think if it lasts, they will.  They want to win re-election.  Even if it's just "let's stop attacking the OWS marchers"....

I'm showing you that FOX, who last week was covering them nonstop, is now ignoring them - even as the rallies GROW.  huge difference.

If the tea party was in 40 countries, marching in the streets, methinks fox would be covering it ;)


Grow?  From what?  325 people to 350 people?  ::)

IMO, the only reason they were even covered to begin with is because some people were crying that they were being ignored.  Then they covered, turns out to be a small bunch of schmucks with no coherent message.

They all need to go back to ignoring them.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2011, 06:30:30 PM »

Grow?  From what?  325 people to 350 people?  ::)

IMO, the only reason they were even covered to begin with is because some people were crying that they were being ignored.  Then they covered, turns out to be a small bunch of schmucks with no coherent message.

They all need to go back to ignoring them.

Exactly.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2011, 06:34:44 PM »
40 countries?

occupy is bigger than tea party ever was... isn't it?

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 06:36:37 PM »
Keep swinging, douche. Sometimes you should just give it a rest.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2011, 06:38:11 PM »
Keep swinging, douche. Sometimes you should just give it a rest.

why attack the messenger?  do you agree or disagree with my statement that OWS is bigger than the tea party, worldwide?

Hey, I think the OWS kids are a bunch of spoiled douchebags, and I'd slam all their fingers in car doors if I had the chance.

I actually agree with more of the TP points.

But that doesn't make what I said any less true.  Occupy rallies all over the world.  It's bigger than the tea party, agree or disagree?

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 06:40:12 PM »
Occupy Wall St. has nothing do to with Occupy Rome or Occupy Uzbekistan. The only characteristic they have in common is the "Occupy" name.

These protesters have no demands. They're not cohesive. This has been admitted. Yet here you are trying to say that a protest on the other side of the world is the same as the one over here? You're a sad, sad joke.

The various protests in this country have nothing in common beyond protesting but the other 40 countries do!!!

Italians are protesting massive austerity measures. Are we? We haven't enacted jack shit for austerity.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2011, 06:40:33 PM »
40 countries?

occupy is bigger than tea party ever was... isn't it?

Oh please.    Grow up.  

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2011, 06:41:26 PM »
Oh please.    Grow up. 

attack 240 but wont address my points...  eh, fuck it.  have a great night dudes.  off to watch end of GOP debate.  RPaul getting plenty of airtime and wow, he's using it well!

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2011, 06:42:28 PM »
attack 240 but wont address my points...  eh, fuck it.  have a great night dudes.  off to watch end of GOP debate.  RPaul getting plenty of airtime and wow, he's using it well!

You make no fucking points. What you do is regurgitate whatever retarded opinion you managed you come up with, regardless of whether there's any support to it or not.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2011, 06:45:14 PM »
40 countries?

occupy is bigger than tea party ever was... isn't it?



Oh it's 40 now?  Thought it was 82?  You dweebs can't even figure out.  ::)

And now they're just linking anything with OWS.  The Asia protest was mostly about nuclear policy.  But yeah, they're OWS.  ::)

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2011, 06:46:28 PM »
Occupy Wall St. has nothing do to with Occupy Rome or Occupy Uzbekistan. They only characteristic they have in common is the "Occupy" name.

These protesters have no demands. They're not cohesive. This has been admitted. Yet here you are trying to say that a protest on the other side of the world is the same as the one over here? You're a sad, sad joke.

The various protests in this country have nothing in common beyond protesting but the other 40 countries do!!!

Italians are protesting massive austerity measures. Are we? We haven't enacted jack shit for austerity.



Beat me to it!

Exactly, shit in other countries trying to be linked with OWS.  GMAFB.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2011, 06:48:02 PM »


Beat me to it!

Exactly, shit in other countries trying to be linked with OWS.  GMAFB.

He really is the most annoying person on this forum. Look at how badly he's derailing this thread. He does this all the time. He can't address the topics. All he can do is make straw man after straw man.

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Re: OWS Poll: Doesn't represent unemployed America, not ideologically diverse
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2011, 06:52:56 PM »
These people are not the cause of the problem, they are a symptom of problem.   They are a product of the idiocracy developed by academia, msm, big govt, etc.