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« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2021, 01:14:56 PM »
Aren't New York City buildings on bedrock?

Being built on bedrock and being built on rock are too completely different things.



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« Reply #103 on: July 10, 2021, 11:41:30 PM »

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« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2021, 08:04:36 PM »
Residents Told to Vacate Coral Springs Condominium After Building Deemed Unsafe

Residents of a Coral Springs condominium were ordered to evacuate Thursday after the building was deemed unsafe and failed to complete its 40-year inspection.

Tenants of the Villa Bianca Condominium, located at 3990 Woodside Drive, were told to evacuate by Aug. 5. The city is working with the Coral Springs Community Chest to provide temporary housing assistance, officials said.

Currently, 15 of the 16 units are occupied, and one unit has remained uninhabitable since a fire in 2014.

The Villa Bianca Condominium failed to meet the 40-year inspection, which was required in 2016, officials said in a news release. Photos that were shown to a code enforcement board showed deterioration to the roof.

Villa Bianca currently has no established condominium association, as required by state law.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/residents-told-to-vacate-coral-springs-condominium-after-building-deemed-unsafe/2502462/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_MIBrand&fbclid=IwAR0iKUjOsfzOryDwylL1yXQAhHnQSaHJWYTfZYM5A5eeyFFxkUhbpPpfTTg

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« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2021, 02:45:17 PM »
Engineer hired by Surfside still feels that the Champlain Towers South is an imminent danger


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« Reply #106 on: August 26, 2021, 06:38:59 PM »
San Francisco skyscraper sinks further, halting renovation project

A major construction project aimed at leveling San Francisco's leaning Millennium Tower was abruptly halted this week after officials noticed the building sank another inch in the past month, CBS San Francisco reports.

Work began on the 58-story condo tower, which first made headlines in 2016, earlier this year. The project, expected to cost $100 million, involves reenforcing the foundation by drilling into bedrock below the tower and installing massive support beams, known as pilings, CBS San Francisco reported. The building had actually been sinking less in the past few years – but then began to sink again when work started earlier this year.

"The monitoring has indicated an increased rate of settlement associated with pile installation," Doug Elmets, spokesperson with the Millennium Tower Association, said in a statement to CBS San Francisco. "Out of an abundance of caution, we have placed a two to four-week moratorium on pile installation while we try to understand better the mechanisms associated with the increased settlement rate and available means of mitigating this."

"There has been no material harm to the building and it remains fully safe," he added.

Oakland consulting structural engineer David Williams told CBS San Francisco that the pause was a "no brainer" given the amount the building moved. He said the work has reactivated portions of the settlement below the building, causing it to tilt to one side.

"You may expect a little disturbance when you go in and do construction around it, but the rate of settlement is very severe," he said.

"The loads have to be distributed from the existing foundation out to the perimeter, and that's a pretty risky operation," he added. "It will have to be very carefully monitored if they proceed with it."

Millennium Tower first opened in 2009. By 2016, the building had sunk 16 inches. Satellite imagery from the European Space Agency showed the skyscraper in San Francisco's financial district was sinking at a steady rate.

Residents sued the developers and designers, and a settlement reached last year included the $100 million for the project.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-skyscraper-sinks-further-halting-renovation-project/ar-AANMSaN

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« Reply #107 on: October 02, 2021, 11:28:06 AM »

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When Sacred Ground Is Also Multimillion-Dollar Real Estate
What to do with the site of the collapsed condo in Surfside, Fla.? There is no easy way to both honor victims and compensate condo owners.
by Patricia Mazzei

SURFSIDE, Fla. — Unbearable grief absorbed Anabella Levine when Champlain Towers South collapsed in Florida this summer, burying her beloved older brother and three cousins in the rubble of her building while she was away for the night. Identifying some of the remains took an excruciating 18 days.

What she did not expect — what has consumed many of her recent days, even as she struggles with her family’s enormous sorrow — was a fight with the town of Surfside, the beachfront enclave where she and her cousins spent some of their happiest childhood days.

Their fight is over the inevitable question that follows a tragedy that killed 98 people: What should be done with a place where such horror occurred? But unlike in other disasters, the land in Surfside is worth tens of millions of dollars and crucial to some survivors’ financial future.

Ms. Levine and her relatives, as well as other victims’ families, insist that the site must become, at least in part, a memorial to the dead, similar to the 9/11 Memorial in New York. Though the debris at Champlain Towers has long been cleared away, they feel that the ground where so many people died is sacred.

But the parcel at 8777 Collins Avenue is nearly two acres on the beach in South Florida, where waterfront property is scarce, developers drive the economy and the market for luxury condos promising a dream Florida lifestyle seems insatiable. For many of those who lived in the building and lost almost everything they owned, a lucrative real estate deal seems like the best hope for any substantial compensation.

The debate over the parcel’s fate has revealed conflicting interests between victims’ families, who lost people, and survivors, who lost property, in the June 24 collapse. And it has stirred raw feelings in and threatened to divide Surfside, a town of 6,000 with low-slung buildings and a recent history of resisting the aggressive redevelopment that has brought huge gleaming towers to the nearby towns of Miami Beach and Sunny Isles Beach.

“We all knew each other,” Ms. Levine said. “I see all the pictures of the people that died, and they’re all people that I saw in my pool. I know 98 people that died in just one day.”

At issue has been not only what will be built on the property but also how big it can be, as town leaders push to rewrite zoning laws and restrict the size of future construction. In the effort to make Champlain Towers residents financially whole, some see the influence of developers eyeing profits, as is so often the case in Florida.

The judge overseeing the many legal claims over the collapse has said that the sale of the land must happen, and quickly, to give Champlain Towers residents the biggest possible payout. A private bidder is willing to offer $120 million for the property, according to the court-appointed broker handling the real estate deal. Insurance could pay out another $48 million.

With the cause of the collapse still unknown — and no deep-pocketed third party to sue over it, at least not yet — Judge Michael A. Hanzman of the Circuit Court in Miami-Dade County has said the total fund will fall far short of adequate compensation. So many people died that local newspapers are still publishing their obituaries, three months later.

The judge has made it clear that any chance of turning the entire site into a public memorial, as some residents and community members had hoped, runs counter to financial reality. No local government could afford to buy the parcel at market price. Keeping even a portion for a memorial would require persuading a majority of Champlain Towers condo owners to accept a smaller payout — a sensitive request that could pit neighbors against one another.

The city of Miami Beach, which borders Surfside just south of where Champlain Towers South once stood, offered space for a memorial in a nearby park. But Ms. Levine, her relatives and other victims’ families who packed the Surfside Town Hall last week, said only one place will do: the spot where the building fell. A new glitzy high-rise there, they say, would be too much to bear.

Ms. Levine lost her brother, Andres Levine, 26; cousins Moises Rodan and Luis Sadovnic, both 28; and Mr. Sadovnic’s wife, Nicky Langesfeld, 26.

“I had my whole life shattered in a night,” Vicky Btesh, Ms. Levine’s sister-in-law, who became a widow as she was finalizing hotel reservations for her honeymoon, said through sobs. “Help us find a way so that I don’t have to drive by that place and see a building erasing what is the biggest tragedy of my entire life.”

Some residents have felt betrayed by politicians who in the days following the collapse promised lasting help. A few victims’ families have directed much of their anger at town commissioners who dismissed the idea of a land swap with Surfside’s community center, allowing developers to build a new high rise on the community center property and dedicating the Champlain Towers site for a new community center and a memorial.

Ms. Levine and other families suggested that would be a workable compromise. But Eliana R. Salzhauer, one of the commissioners, called the notion “delusional,” in part because the community center site, about five blocks north of Champlain Towers, is at the center of town and key to its quality of life.

During Tuesday’s commission meeting, which drew so many people that some had to watch from the lobby downstairs, the commissioner’s earlier comment enraged many of the families. But Ms. Salzhauer insisted that the ire against town officials was misplaced: Most commissioners want an on-site memorial, she said, but the town cannot afford the land, and the property’s fate is ultimately in the hands of condo owners and the court, not Surfside.

In any case, the community center should be off-limits, a majority of commissioners and a string of residents said.

In an interview, Ms. Salzhauer said lawyers in the Champlain Towers case — many of whom have represented developers in the past — are exploiting the pain of victims’ families and survivors with an eye on future real estate deals.

“This is the perfect storm of conflicts of interest, of South Florida corruption — from the day the building was built,” she said, referring to the turbulent origins of Champlain Towers, during which aggressive developers pushed through plans for the building, adding an extra penthouse story over the initial objections of the town. Investigations over issues such as land subsidence are continuing.

“The real issue is, why did the building collapse? It may turn out to be unbuildable. And should we be developing somewhere where it’s not sustainable in the first place?”

A big development proposed in town a few years ago caused such backlash that voters ousted most of the commissioners and approved rules to limit the sale of public land. The new commission has pursued a more restrictive zoning code, which drew little attention until it became evident that the changes could lower the value of the Champlain Towers land. This month, commissioners agreed to allow the same size development on the site as the building that fell.

Victims’ families and survivors have trudged to the Town Hall, attended court hearings on Zoom and commiserated in WhatsApp chats to navigate their new reality of anguish and displacement. Even the return of their recovered personal items seems far-off: The Miami-Dade Police Department will first need to decontaminate everything, from photos to jewelry to clothing, to get rid of asbestos — a process that could cost millions of dollars.

Many of those who lost their homes to the collapse still do not know where, when it is all over, they will be living. Most would like to come home. But in the end, it may be too expensive.

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« Reply #109 on: October 02, 2021, 04:48:40 PM »
This is very sad, but just because you lost family in the collapse doesn't mean you get to decide what happens to the site.  You may want a permanent memorial on the site but other survivors want/need the site sold so they can be compensated and get on with their lives.  Mourn those you lost... be glad you survived... take the compensation and move on.  The truth is people die every day in all kinds of locations... even large numbers of people. If we create a memorial every time there are sizeable deaths pretty soon everywhere will become a memorial site.  That's what cemeteries are for.

If you can't "bear" to drive by the site and see a newly constructed building there then don't drive by the site anymore.  At $120 million, the small lot is simply too valuable for it NOT to be sold and developed. ::)

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« Reply #110 on: October 02, 2021, 06:03:50 PM »
This is very sad, but just because you lost family in the collapse doesn't mean you get to decide what happens to the site.  You may want a permanent memorial on the site but other survivors want/need the site sold so they can be compensated and get on with their lives.  Mourn those you lost... be glad you survived... take the compensation and move on.  The truth is people die every day in all kinds of locations... even large numbers of people. If we create a memorial every time there are sizeable deaths pretty soon everywhere will become a memorial site.  That's what cemeteries are for.

If you can't "bear" to drive by the site and see a newly constructed building there then don't drive by the site anymore.  At $120 million, the small lot is simply too valuable for it NOT to be sold and developed. ::)

Very good post.

Today’s world seems like people believe they have a right to everything ‘they’ want. Look around and most are unhappy and angry despite having more say and rights than ever before.

The aim of life is to be happy. This includes dealing with tragic events and understanding you need to move on for your own mental health and those around you.

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« Reply #111 on: October 19, 2021, 08:15:56 AM »
The prospect of a speedy real estate deal compounds some Surfside families’ grief
by Lori Rozsa

SURFSIDE, Fla. — In contrast to the slow and agonizing effort to find victims of the Surfside condominium collapse, the process to sell the beachfront property so survivors and families of the dead can be compensated is proceeding fast — too fast for some people, who are seeking ways to memorialize 98 loved ones and neighbors.

Representatives of one potential buyer are scheduled to visit the two-acre site this week. A judge approved a $120 million sale agreement on Oct. 6 for East Oceanside, a subsidiary of billion-dollar developer DAMAC Properties, which is based in Dubai and trying to make its first real estate foray in the United States.

Other potential buyers can still make offers, which could compel an auction early next year.

“I’ve never seen anything move so quickly,” Surfside town commissioner Eliana Salzhauer said Friday. “Families need to be compensated, yes, but this isn’t giving us time to grieve and try to heal.”

The tension between compensating survivors who lost their homes and families whose relatives lost their lives is playing out in the community as well as in a Miami courtroom. Lawsuits were filed almost immediately after Champlain Towers South fell in the predawn hours of June 24, sheared in half for reasons that are still unknown. Miami-Dade County Circuit Judge Michael A. Hanzman held the first hearing the following week — even as rescue and then recovery teams were searching the site. Not until July 26 would the remains of the 98th victim finally be identified.

Hanzman, who has estimated that claims for losses could top $1 billion, made his priorities clear at the outset. While telling attorneys to be sensitive to the differences between “people who suffered injury and death and those who suffered only economically,” he said it is “this court’s duty to move these cases with dispatch.”

He has even admonished families who have spoken out about wanting a memorial on the site. Those comments, the judge said, only serve to “bring down the value and bring less money for the victims to be compensated.”

“The property will be sold,” Hanzman said at a hearing in late September. “It is going to be sold for the most money that can be achieved. . . . [It] is not being donated by those victims for the public good, whether it be for a memorial or any other public purpose.”

Hanzman has already accepted a $95 million appraisal of the 136-unit condominium — the price it ostensibly could have fetched the day before the disaster. He has not announced how proceeds of a sale will be divided between property owners and victims’ families.

The site is now a murky lagoon with a few truncated concrete posts and rusting rebar visible. Since Miami-Dade County stopped paying a contractor $6,000 a day to run pumps, nearly two feet of tidal water and rain have filled what once was Champlain Towers South’s garage space. Town officials and some families say human remains are probably buried in the sand.

“There’s apparently water coming in from everywhere,” Salzhauer said. “It’s mind-boggling that somebody would want to build there before we even know if that’s viable.”

The town has been largely cut out of what’s expected to be a years-long federal probe into what caused the catastrophe. The structural engineer it hired repeatedly has been denied access to the site by Miami-Dade County, which considers 8777 Collins Ave. to be a crime scene.

Allyn Kilsheimer — who investigated the Pentagon’s damage after 9/11 and the Oklahoma City federal building’s destruction after a 1995 bombing — may at last be permitted onto the condo site this week to run tests and soundings with his team, according to town officials.

“It’s a great concern that there’s been a loss of focus with respect to the urgent need to find out why the building fell down,” Surfside Mayor Charles Burkett said Friday. “Instead, the focus has turned to selling the property.”

As that moves forward, he and other local leaders are grappling with the emotionally charged question of what should be erected to mark the tragedy and where it should go. Some families have appealed for state and federal funding to help purchase even a fraction of their ground zero for a memorial. The mayor has consulted with former New York governor George E. Pataki, who oversaw the construction of the 9/11 memorial where the World Trade Center had stood.

“He believes that [Surfside’s] memorial should be on the site just like it was in New York, and I told him I felt the same way,” Burkett said.

Yet there’s little consensus among survivors or families whose relatives died. Many remain as concerned about what might still be found in the more than 12,000 tons of debris collected in the aftermath and hauled 14 miles away to a vacant lot near Miami International Airport.

The county invited them this month to visit the lot, which is surrounded by fencing and no-trespassing signs. About 20 people showed up to observe workers sifting through the huge piles of gravel, rebar, mattress pads, clothing and other remnants of lives.

Pablo Langesfeld, whose daughter Nicole, and her newlywed husband, Luis Sadovnic, were killed, never got the invitation. He has gone there on his own, though, and has been distressed to see machinery rolling over the wreckage.

“I know that part of my daughter is in that mountain,” Langesfeld said last week. “To see a bulldozer run over it, it’s like putting more pain into the pain. We want our loved ones to be treated with respect, to be remembered and treated with respect.”

Other debris waits in an area warehouse, including 17 safes that were pulled intact from the condo site. Attorney Michael Goldberg, the court-appointed receiver for the Champlain Towers South Condominium Association, recently told Hanzman that he will have a locksmith try to open each safe in hopes of returning the contents to families. He intends to have any photos carefully cleaned, scanned and posted on a website for relatives to identify.

Individuals who lived at Champlain Towers South have until midnight on Nov. 30 to submit claims for money gleaned from the site. More than $750,000 in “loose cash” was found by recovery teams and other workers in the remnants of the condominium building, Goldberg said. Some was in wallets and purses, but most was just random wads of bills.

The money soon will be taken by armored truck to the U.S. Treasury Department in Washington for asbestos decontamination.

“I have had people submit to me several claims of cash ranging from $4,500 to $130,000,” Goldberg said. “We are, I expect, going to have claims for cash that far exceed the amount of cash coming back.”

He assured the judge that he and his team of attorneys were moving along as fast as possible. Rabbi Lisa Shrem of New York asked him to slow it down.

“I myself am a victim. My best friend, my sister, was the last victim. Number 98, Estelle Hedaya, found on the 33rd day,” Shrem explained to Hanzman via Zoom. She called the site of the collapse “sacred land” and said she’d only received “a quarter of a forearm bone to bury.”

“Please, I beg of you, just allow us some time,” Shrem said. “We were last into these court proceedings because we were burying, we were at wakes and shivas. . . . Please, just a small amount of time, that’s all we ask.”

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« Reply #112 on: October 19, 2021, 12:22:17 PM »
This is very sad, but just because you lost family in the collapse doesn't mean you get to decide what happens to the site.  You may want a permanent memorial on the site but other survivors want/need the site sold so they can be compensated and get on with their lives.  Mourn those you lost... be glad you survived... take the compensation and move on.  The truth is people die every day in all kinds of locations... even large numbers of people. If we create a memorial every time there are sizeable deaths pretty soon everywhere will become a memorial site.  That's what cemeteries are for.

If you can't "bear" to drive by the site and see a newly constructed building there then don't drive by the site anymore.  At $120 million, the small lot is simply too valuable for it NOT to be sold and developed. ::)
  Agreed. Put a bronze plaque in the sidewalk and call it good.

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« Reply #113 on: October 19, 2021, 02:22:05 PM »
  Agreed. Put a bronze plaque in the sidewalk and call it good.

Yup!

Just like all the people who die on highways.

Put a nice little plastic cross on the side of the road and move on with your life.

Nobody cares.

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« Reply #114 on: October 20, 2021, 12:45:14 PM »

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« Reply #116 on: November 13, 2021, 02:08:00 PM »
  Agreed. Put a bronze plaque in the sidewalk and call it good.

Yeah no shit. Sad they died but they should get the most money they can for it. $150 million with sale and insurance? Take it and disperse it to the victims, owners and families.

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« Reply #117 on: November 13, 2021, 04:55:46 PM »
So much of what's built in Florida is on swamp. Houses sinking is common.  You can't get sink hole insurance for many areas.  Many areas if you dig down you hit water fast.

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« Reply #118 on: December 09, 2021, 04:27:54 PM »
SF Millennium Tower Tilts Quarter Inch in Four Days


Newly released monitoring data shows that San Francisco’s Millennium Tower tilted a quarter inch during the four days it took to install the first test pile to bedrock last month.

The monitoring data tracks settlement, tilting and water pressure levels underneath the sinking and leaning structure since work began on a fix for the troubled tower in May. Since work began to shore the sinking structure up on the north and west sides, the building has settled nearly 2 inches at the northwest corner and is now tilting more than two feet at that edge.

The latest data – including the four days that the test pile was installed from Nov. 15 to Nov. 19 – shows a quarter inch of new tilt, as well as a tenth of an inch of settlement at the time the test installation occurred. At the same time, there was marked fluctuation of water pressure below the foundation on the Mission Street side of the structure.

The water pressure level was recorded at various depths more than 100 feet below the structure, where a layer of clay resides.

Veteran geotechnical engineer Bob Pyke said the sudden fluctuation is a telltale sign.

“This is a large drop -- you can't see the scale on this plot -- but this is a pretty dramatic effect” he said, pointing to the monitoring data chart that tracks the water pressure levels more than 100 feet below the building.  While the data shows plunging pressure level quickly came back up, Pyke said the brief loss would likely generate settlement.

Pyke suspects that the drilling method used to remove soil and water from the bottom of the hole is to blame.

“It's no different from sucking a straw into a milkshake,” Pyke said, noting that removal method involves using suction, essentially vacuuming up water and debris from the bottom of the shaft being drilled. He says the sucking process is likely stressing larger areas of the Old Bay Clay layer under the building’s existing foundation.

He noted that while the pressure recovered on the Mission Street side,  it did not return to previous levels under other parts of the foundation. Triggering accelerated settlement across other parts of the foundation of the building.

Other experts say the water pressure drop is evidence that the method designed to limit settlement may not be working as well as hoped.

“You can accidentally remove soil that you want to stay in place,” said Rune Storesund, a geotechnical engineer who runs UC Berkeley’s Center for Catastrophic Risk Management. He says the water pressure data suggests engineers could clearly do more to refine their methods. “You’re always going to get settlement, obviously you want that to be as low as possible.”

Still, Ron Hamburger, the fix designer, recently assured city officials that the settlement that has occurred during testing of new methods designed to limit sinking is within expected levels. Hamburger now has city permission to install two more test piles. Hamburger told city officials the additional testing is needed to help determine just how many piles will ultimately be used to shore up the structure.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/sf-millennium-tower-tilts-quarter-inch-in-four-days/2750189/

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« Reply #119 on: December 09, 2021, 04:50:50 PM »
SF Millennium Tower Tilts Quarter Inch in Four Days


Newly released monitoring data shows that San Francisco’s Millennium Tower tilted a quarter inch during the four days it took to install the first test pile to bedrock last month.

The monitoring data tracks settlement, tilting and water pressure levels underneath the sinking and leaning structure since work began on a fix for the troubled tower in May. Since work began to shore the sinking structure up on the north and west sides, the building has settled nearly 2 inches at the northwest corner and is now tilting more than two feet at that edge.

The latest data – including the four days that the test pile was installed from Nov. 15 to Nov. 19 – shows a quarter inch of new tilt, as well as a tenth of an inch of settlement at the time the test installation occurred. At the same time, there was marked fluctuation of water pressure below the foundation on the Mission Street side of the structure.

The water pressure level was recorded at various depths more than 100 feet below the structure, where a layer of clay resides.

Veteran geotechnical engineer Bob Pyke said the sudden fluctuation is a telltale sign.

“This is a large drop -- you can't see the scale on this plot -- but this is a pretty dramatic effect” he said, pointing to the monitoring data chart that tracks the water pressure levels more than 100 feet below the building.  While the data shows plunging pressure level quickly came back up, Pyke said the brief loss would likely generate settlement.

Pyke suspects that the drilling method used to remove soil and water from the bottom of the hole is to blame.

“It's no different from sucking a straw into a milkshake,” Pyke said, noting that removal method involves using suction, essentially vacuuming up water and debris from the bottom of the shaft being drilled. He says the sucking process is likely stressing larger areas of the Old Bay Clay layer under the building’s existing foundation.

He noted that while the pressure recovered on the Mission Street side,  it did not return to previous levels under other parts of the foundation. Triggering accelerated settlement across other parts of the foundation of the building.

Other experts say the water pressure drop is evidence that the method designed to limit settlement may not be working as well as hoped.

“You can accidentally remove soil that you want to stay in place,” said Rune Storesund, a geotechnical engineer who runs UC Berkeley’s Center for Catastrophic Risk Management. He says the water pressure data suggests engineers could clearly do more to refine their methods. “You’re always going to get settlement, obviously you want that to be as low as possible.”

Still, Ron Hamburger, the fix designer, recently assured city officials that the settlement that has occurred during testing of new methods designed to limit sinking is within expected levels. Hamburger now has city permission to install two more test piles. Hamburger told city officials the additional testing is needed to help determine just how many piles will ultimately be used to shore up the structure.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/sf-millennium-tower-tilts-quarter-inch-in-four-days/2750189/

Very common.

Just became a larger issue due to the high amount of liquid and clay beneath the foundation.

Should be interesting to see how this plays out.

Engineering foundations on soils like this is a nightmare. I had the same problem designing a small 3 story office building near Galveston, Texas. Shit soil with high amounts of liquid and it's like a "milkshake" theory.

I'd like to know how deep those shafts went, i'm assuming pretty deep for a structure like that.

It's going to take a lot of piles to stabilize this mess.

I bet this gets documented and used in University one day.

The stuff they had when i was in college was pretty sparse.

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« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2022, 09:10:18 AM »
Engineer overseeing the luxury tower’s retrofit discovered the space between it and a smaller building had widened by an inch


San Francisco’s troubled Millennium Tower, which has continued to sink despite multimillion-dollar efforts to correct it, has developed yet another problem.

The luxury tower, popular among star athletes and retired Google employees before the tilting issues were widely publicized, has sunk 18in since construction was completed in 2009, and has a 26in tilt at the top. Now, the engineer overseeing the retrofit of the tower has said the movement caused the formation of a one-inch gap between the building and a smaller 12-storey adjacent structure.

“Given the present westward tilt of the building, about 24 inches as measured at the roof, the gap between the two buildings in the east-west direction has widened by about 1 inch[2.5cm],” the project engineer, Ron Hamburger, said in a statement to NBC Bay Area.

The Millennium Tower uses an underground parking garage housed within the smaller structure.

Despite the gap, engineers “determined that the building is not at risk due to this movement, or any movement likely to occur before construction completion”, Hamburger said, and the gap is not expected to worsen. He has previously warned that the tower’s elevators and plumbing may no longer work if sinking continues at its current rate.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/25/inch-san-francisco-millennium-tower

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« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2022, 09:54:55 AM »
Engineer overseeing the luxury tower’s retrofit discovered the space between it and a smaller building had widened by an inch


San Francisco’s troubled Millennium Tower, which has continued to sink despite multimillion-dollar efforts to correct it, has developed yet another problem.

The luxury tower, popular among star athletes and retired Google employees before the tilting issues were widely publicized, has sunk 18in since construction was completed in 2009, and has a 26in tilt at the top. Now, the engineer overseeing the retrofit of the tower has said the movement caused the formation of a one-inch gap between the building and a smaller 12-storey adjacent structure.

“Given the present westward tilt of the building, about 24 inches as measured at the roof, the gap between the two buildings in the east-west direction has widened by about 1 inch[2.5cm],” the project engineer, Ron Hamburger, said in a statement to NBC Bay Area.

The Millennium Tower uses an underground parking garage housed within the smaller structure.

Despite the gap, engineers “determined that the building is not at risk due to this movement, or any movement likely to occur before construction completion”, Hamburger said, and the gap is not expected to worsen. He has previously warned that the tower’s elevators and plumbing may no longer work if sinking continues at its current rate.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/25/inch-san-francisco-millennium-tower

It seems these engineers are trustworthy.


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« Reply #122 on: May 01, 2022, 09:12:57 AM »
The Fight to Fix the Tilting Millennium Tower


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« Reply #123 on: May 01, 2022, 10:40:12 AM »
looks like flashes going off before collspse

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« Reply #124 on: May 01, 2022, 02:41:07 PM »
Tilting Millennium Tower fix will cost taxpayers $30 million

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Tilting-Millennium-Tower-fix-will-cost-taxpayers-15662664.php

Settlement of nine lawsuits involving more than 400 individual parties was nailed down in August 2019, and its total size, which is much larger than the public’s $30 million share, is being held in confidence.

The overall settlement includes the $100 million fix for the tilting, 58-story high-rise at 301 Mission Street that opened in 2009, plus millions of dollars in reimbursements to luxury condominium owners whose property values plummeted as a result of the tilting. The repair project calls for 52 piles to be drilled 250 feet down into bedrock to shore up the building — which now sits on 950 reinforced concrete piles driven up to 90 feet deep into bay mud.