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Lol, lebron creates yet another superteam.Should win next year easily now.Never seen someone go to a team, win the champ first year then leave.Weird season all around.
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The NBA sucks.
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Looking like andre igodaula too
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Kwahi
Iggy
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Its over.
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Looking like andre igodaula too
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Kwahi
Iggy
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Its over.
LOL crazy.
Army where are you seeing Kawhi has agreed to terms?
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LOL crazy.
Army where are you seeing Kawhi has agreed to terms?
Multiple reliable insiders who have called previous trades way before anyone had any clue.many top twitter/redditors are EXTREMELY connected and way more accurate than broussard and co
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Looking like andre igodaula too
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Kwahi
Iggy
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Its over.
I thought the same when they played Detroit in 04(I think?).
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I thought the same when they played Detroit in 04(I think?).
Its true, anything can happen.But kawhi and lebron on the same team, id take them both easily over 2004 kobe, malone, payton and shaq.I just realised its 3 finals mvps as well from the last 5 years, insane.
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Lies. He's getting into bobybuilding, where the real money is
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Lol, lebron creates yet another superteam.Should win next year easily now.Never seen someone go to a team, win the champ first year then leave.Weird season all around.
He'll go to the Clippers or stay in Toronto. He's not going to play second fiddle to Lebron.
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LOL crazy.
Army where are you seeing Kawhi has agreed to terms?
From Vince Goodrum CDRORKFUECNNMSNBC
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Looking like andre igodaula too
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Kwahi
Iggy
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Its over.
If this ends up to be true, it's not only over next year, but for years to come. After LBJ retires, Kwahi and AD will still be in their primes. This could be a serious Lakers dynasty.
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Degrades Lebron's "legacy" even further if this is the case. He will be done in that regard. He would have gone from the Heat with three top 8-10 players in the league, to the cavs with three top 12-15 players, now to three top 5-6 players.
With him and Davis, they should already be favorites, imo.
Durant was dumb for leaving. Though, he may think it is easier in the East.
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Degrades Lebron's "legacy" even further if this is the case. He will be done in that regard. He would have gone from the Heat with three top 8-10 players in the league, to the cavs with three top 12-15 players, now to three top 5-6 players.
With him and Davis, they should already be favorites, imo.
Durant was dumb for leaving. Though, he may think it is easier in the East.
Durant is very emotional. He torn his Achilles when team (and his own) doctors told him nothing worse could come of his calf injury, that finalized him leaving.
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Degrades Lebron's "legacy" even further if this is the case. He will be done in that regard. He would have gone from the Heat with three top 8-10 players in the league, to the cavs with three top 12-15 players, now to three top 5-6 players.
With him and Davis, they should already be favorites, imo.
Durant was dumb for leaving. Though, he may think it is easier in the East.
If he wins more titles, it will enhance his legacy. Over time, nobody will care who he won with late in his career, as he proved he could carry a team on his own against a juggernaut when they beat GS.
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If he wins more titles, it will enhance his legacy. Over time, nobody will care who he won with late in his career, as he proved he could carry a team on his own against a juggernaut when they beat GS.
It will matter and people will remember. He is trying to get to Jordan status. His legacy is great, but to achieve what he wants in that regard, it's not going to happen when he continues to do this. It will distance him further in that regard.
He didn't carry that team on his back. He did through the first three quarters but Kyrie was the game changer in the fourth.
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Durant is very emotional. He torn his Achilles when team (and his own) doctors told him nothing worse could come of his calf injury, that finalized him leaving.
He seems like the type of guy who is going to be unhappy wherever he goes.
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Lol, lebron creates yet another superteam.Should win next year easily now.Never seen someone go to a team, win the champ first year then leave.Weird season all around.
Basketball....lol.
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Durant will never be the same...and surely will never play for a complete team again. Same deal as Kobe with injury, and VERY tough for bigs to come back from major lower leg and foot injuries.
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It will matter and people will remember. He is trying to get to Jordan status. His legacy is great, but to achieve what he wants in that regard, it's not going to happen when he continues to do this. It will distance him further in that regard.
He didn't carry that team on his back. He did through the first three quarters but Kyrie was the game changer in the fourth.
absolute nonsense
people remember the titles, they don't remember how they were won and even if they did it still doesn't make a difference
and yes he did carry the team on his back, jordan won shit without pippen and phil jackson, couldn't even get the wizards to the playoffs
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Durant will never be the same...and surely will never play for a complete team again. Same deal as Kobe with injury, and VERY tough for bigs to come back from major lower leg and foot injuries.
I can attest to that. I ruptured my achilles and was never the same. I can't imagine as a pro athlete having it happen.
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absolute nonsense
people remember the titles, they don't remember how they were won and even if they did it still doesn't make a difference
and yes he did carry the team on his back, jordan won shit without pippen and phil jackson, couldn't even get the wizards to the playoffs
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Everyone knows how irrational you are when it comes to your heroes so I don't put much stock in what you post.
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Everyone knows how irrational you are when it comes to your heroes so I don't put much stock in what you post.
and everybody knows how irrational you are when it comes to the King, you hate his guts and will never give him the credit he deserves
everything i said is fact, jordan won shit without his super team
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Durant is very emotional. He torn his Achilles when team (and his own) doctors told him nothing worse could come of his calf injury, that finalized him leaving.
he should have gone on the sixers , they gave embid 2 years off with a broken toe nail. and continue to manage his minutes to this day,
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He’s going to the warriors. Just watch.
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So where did you see this? Aside from Yahoo and crappy outlets like that.
He’s staying a Raptor
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and everybody knows how irrational you are when it comes to the King, you hate his guts and will never give him the credit he deserves
everything i said is fact, jordan won shit without his super team
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I hated Jordan, but Jordan is clearly better so that doesn't make any sense.
Also, how do you remember that about Jordan when you just posted that nobody remembers how titles are won? That doesn't make any sense either.
Very irrational...
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I hated Jordan, but Jordan is clearly better so that doesn't make any sense.
Also, how do you remember that about Jordan when you just posted that nobody remembers how titles are won? That doesn't make any sense either.
Very irrational...
so you hate the two best players of all time
now that is irrational, very irrational
i remember nobody else does or they don't care like you do, a championship is a championship to most rational people, except when it comes to the King ::)
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Kawhi to LA Clippers with Paul George! HAHAHAHA....Lebron won't recover.
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Fuck Me!!... ::)
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So much for the OP “calling” it haha
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So much for the OP “calling” it haha
LOL!
This is crazy though, every "expert" had said the Clippers were 100% out of the running and that the Lakers was almost a done deal.
I like Kawhi, dude is about doing what's ever best for him.
He exposed Magic when he asked if the Lakers tried to trade for him and Magic said yes but the Spurs wanted to much, 4 draft picks, and this was after the Lakers gave up much more than that for AD....
Now the Clippers give up 4 picks for PG13, hilarious!
I know Jerry West isnt the GM for LAC but that guy still has the ability to convince players to come to where he is. The Lakers should have brought him back into the fold.
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I liked the old NBA where the top tier players wanted to compete against each other instead of team up with each other.
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LOL!
This is crazy though, every "expert" had said the Clippers were 100% out of the running and that the Lakers was almost a done deal.
I like Kawhi, dude is about doing what's ever best for him.
He exposed Magic when he asked if the Lakers tried to trade for him and Magic said yes but the Spurs wanted to much, 4 draft picks, and this was after the Lakers gave up much more than that for AD....
Now the Clippers give up 4 picks for PG13, hilarious!
I know Jerry West isnt the GM for LAC but that guy still has the ability to convince players to come to where he is. The Lakers should have brought him back into the fold.
Yup, will hold my hands up on this one.Every insider thats usually right was dead wrong on this and wrote the clippers off.Never seen someone keep a secret like kwahi did.It makes for a much more interesting nba though, so Im not mad, should be a wide open season next year.
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Kawhi built the Clippers while killing the Lakers in free agency at the same time. No one left but scrubs to choose from for Lebron, ha, ha. This will make a great cross town (cross stadium) rivalry. I'll bet big baby Lebron is pissed.
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so you hate the two best players of all time
now that is irrational, very irrational
i remember nobody else does or they don't care like you do, a championship is a championship to most rational people, except when it comes to the King ::)
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Your ramblings did nothing to dispute either of my points. You contradicted your arguments with both.
Also, you are now having trouble stringing sentences together. I would suggest moving on.
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Unless Lebron loses a step, etc. the Lakers are still the favorite to me. In basketball having two top 5 players makes up for a ton of other deficiencies.
Edit: I'm dumb and wasn't paying attention that they also got George. He and Kawhi will be a good fit together. They should be favorites then as they seem to have more outside of them then the Lakers do right now. Both will be tough to beat.
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Unless Lebron loses a step, etc. the Lakers are still the favorite to me. In basketball having two top 5 players makes up for a ton of other deficiencies.
Edit: I'm dumb and wasn't paying attention that they also got George. He and Kawhi will be a good fit together. They should be favorites then as they seem to have more outside of them then the Lakers do right now. Both will be tough to beat.
LeBron is super worried about that lost step, which is why he's more worried about stacking the deck than his own playing. When it becomes more obvious that age is catching up he will blame EVERYBODY around him and he won't be around long after that.
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For anyone who wasn't watching last season.....Lebron's already lost a step. He's also lost the ability to true on defense.
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For anyone who wasn't watching last season.....Lebron's already lost a step. He's also lost the ability to true on defense.
This is true. I should have said "loses another step".
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The Lakers just signed Duh-Marcus Cousins. I hate him but he could turn out to be a huge bargain. When healthy the guy is a great player.
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Gargling Man-plums wrong again
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The Lakers just signed Duh-Marcus Cousins. I hate him but he could turn out to be a huge bargain. When healthy the guy is a great player.
He will never be the player he was in the past.
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How the fuck did Toronto refuse to give up Siakam and end up with Westbrook, George and Kawahi? I have they enjoy Siakam and 6-8 seed for the next while.
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Gargling Man-plums wrong again
First early call on a trade ive got wrong in years :'(
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Your ramblings did nothing to dispute either of my points. You contradicted your arguments with both.
Also, you are now having trouble stringing sentences together. I would suggest moving on.
your points were retarded and you have an unhealthy hatred of the King, sorry for being confusing
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debating basketball is even more retarded than debating ronnie vs dorian.
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I liked the old NBA where the top tier players wanted to compete against each other instead of team up with each other.
when was that?
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when was that?
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It was before free agency.
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when was that?
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Pretty much every single year before 2010-11.
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In addition to the Clippers and the Nets, I am interested to see how the Dallas Mavericks do next year.
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Pretty much every single year before 2010-11.
what were the 97 rockets with hakeem, pippen, barkley and drexler?
2004 laker with shaq, kobe, malone, and payton
2008 celtics with garnett, pierce, and allen
heck the super teams go back further than that
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Stale predictable argument.
Most of those guys who joined up with established teams then were old, washed up, and on their way out of the league. Regardless, in those days it was the teams that built the rosters, not the players. Now we have young superstars in the prime of their careers, top 5, top 10 players in the league scheming with each other where they can go and play together. The best talent in the league is funneling to 2 or 4 teams. Not at all the same.
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Stale predictable argument.
Most of those guys who joined up with established teams then were old, washed up, and on their way out of the league. Regardless, in those days it was the teams that built the rosters, not the players. Now we have young superstars in the prime of their careers, top 5, top 10 players in the league scheming with each other where they can go and play together. The best talent in the league is funneling to 2 or 4 teams. Not at all the same.
I think that it can be good for the NBA... to get some of the losing teams out from the last place and into title contention (at least for a few years)
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Stale predictable argument.
Most of those guys who joined up with established teams then were old, washed up, and on their way out of the league. Regardless, in those days it was the teams that built the rosters, not the players. Now we have young superstars in the prime of their careers, top 5, top 10 players in the league scheming with each other where they can go and play together. The best talent in the league is funneling to 2 or 4 teams. Not at all the same.
So you're okay with management acquiring players but if the players want to be on the same team by their own accord its scheming?
NBA players have always tried to play with their friends, Isaiah Thomas got Detroit to trade for Mark Aquire back in the late 80s....
The real issue is AAU ball and these guys switching teams to play with elite players (from all over the country) from the time they were kids. These guys have been playing with and against each other for for half a decade before they've even turned 18 let alone gotten into the league, that wasnt the case 30 years ago.
It's a generational "issue". Plus you add in guys like Kevin Garnett who tell the young guys that you cant waste your prime with a team that doesn't win just because they drafted you, means the days of Ernie Banks and Archie Manning, good players stuck or committed tobad teams, are over.
Kawhi was quoted as saying regular season games are the equivalent of practice and that the playoffs are the only games that count. The Kobe generation would have never had "load management" that restricted minutes and games. But people learn from the previous generations.
We are in a different day.
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Dirk Nowitzki's 1 ring in Dallas is worth more than 10 of these super team championships. He was the lone superstar and he had some good aging vets and role players. They competed against guys like Kobe and Lebron and they were able to get a hard earned Championship. Star players now just want to stack the deck in their favor. Cheap rings from players with no heart.
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Dirk Nowitzki's 1 ring in Dallas is worth more than 10 of these super team championships. He was the lone superstar and he had some good aging vets and role players. They competed against guys like Kobe and Lebron and they were able to get a hard earned Championship. Star players now just want to stack the deck in their favor. Cheap rings from players with no heart.
yet not one reasonable person would argue dirk is a better player than Lebron or durant or a few other guys that earned "cheap" rings, so maybe his 1 ring isn't worth as much as you like to think
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Stale predictable argument.
Most of those guys who joined up with established teams then were old, washed up, and on their way out of the league. Regardless, in those days it was the teams that built the rosters, not the players. Now we have young superstars in the prime of their careers, top 5, top 10 players in the league scheming with each other where they can go and play together. The best talent in the league is funneling to 2 or 4 teams. Not at all the same.
you call it stale, yet how is it untrue? how was garnett and allen washed up and on their way out of the league? they're the team that convinced Lebron he needed to leave cleveland if he was going to win a title, i think kevin garnett even told him that was what he had to do
so what should they do? stay on the same shitty team with shitty management in a city where free agents don't want to play, while guys like curry were lucky enough to have management that knew how to build a championship team from the ground up
list all the star players that earned a ring without a super team
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Hakeem
Dirk
Kawhi
Tempted to add bill Walton and second run Kobe.
the exception rather than the norm but it is possible without stacking the deck
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What annoys me is that there is lack of competitiveness and pride amongst players.
what happened to elevating and testing your gamr against your opponent, being judged by the quality of your opponent
Now they just want to team up
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Hakeem
Dirk
Kawhi
Tempted to add bill Walton and second run Kobe.
the exception rather than the norm but it is possible without stacking the deck
Good list.
I agree Hakeem's title winning teams were no "super" team but he did play with 7 time champion "Big Shot Bob" Robert Horry and then the next year made a trade for Clyde Drexler, who was still a top shooting guard, though declining.
Dirk and the Mavs were the most unlikely champions since the 04 Pistons. This was the series where Lebron couldn't/wouldn't exploit defensive mismatches.
Kawhi was added to a battle tested team and he was the piece that pushed them over the top. He also had the good fortune of playing an injury plagued Warriors team and making some historic shots, but championships are often won with luck and skill. Lowry, (Marc) Gasol are all stars and former all NBA selections. They arent in their prime but they arent garbage.
Second run Kobe had Pau Gasol who was a top 10/15 player at that time, Lamar Odom, an in his prime all star who was coming off the bench, and Andrew Bynum , who was a force for the limited time he was healthy (and was also on a 2nd all nba team) and then had Ron Artest added after he had won the first title with the previous team.
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What annoys me is that there is lack of competitiveness and pride amongst players.
what happened to elevating and testing your gamr against your opponent, being judged by the quality of your opponent
Now they just want to team up
1) For the last few decades the sports media has made everything about winning titles. An athlete is made fun of and has his whole career discredited and disrespected if he doesn't have titles.
2) This is the "everyone gets a trophy" generation. When they get to the pros they don't get a trophy for showing up so they find the easiest way to get one.
3) They are non competitive pussies. Look at the end of all NBA and NFL games these days where the athletes are laughing, high fiving and chatting it up with the other team. You would never see that in the 70's and 80's. Those guys wanted to crush the competition not be buddies with them.
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What annoys me is that there is lack of competitiveness and pride amongst players.
what happened to elevating and testing your gamr against your opponent, being judged by the quality of your opponent
Now they just want to team up
There was an article about this recently.Basically the difference between 1990 and now is all these kids have known each other and become friends since they were 10 or younger now because of the aau established since then, they have all been playing each other or with each other for years before they got to the nba.
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Kawhi is the luckiest man alive. A healthy Durant and Golden state wins in 4-5 games. Now all of a sudden he is so overhyped. Toronto barely beat a beat up GS some games and it wasn’t because of Kawhi. Oh well.
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Kawhi is the luckiest man alive. A healthy Durant and Golden state wins in 4-5 games. Now all of a sudden he is so overhyped. Toronto barely beat a beat up GS some games and it wasn’t because of Kawhi. Oh well.
How do you figure that Toronto didn't win because of Kawhi? He was the NBA finals MVP. He's a legit superstar in the NBA. Easily one of the 10 best players in the league.
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Kawhi is the luckiest man alive. A healthy Durant and Golden state wins in 4-5 games. Now all of a sudden he is so overhyped. Toronto barely beat a beat up GS some games and it wasn’t because of Kawhi. Oh well.
You think Kawhi is overhyped??? lol He's arguably one of the best players in the league. Not just offensive dominance but defense. He's such a sick defender.
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Kawhi is the luckiest man alive. A healthy Durant and Golden state wins in 4-5 games. Now all of a sudden he is so overhyped. Toronto barely beat a beat up GS some games and it wasn’t because of Kawhi. Oh well.
What.
Golden state barely beat toronto the 2 that they won. Wih respect to Durant, a healthy KD would most likely have GSW winning. With or without Klay raptors would of still won. Even with Durant playing, raptors would keep the game close.
The games toronto won, were mainly blow outs with exception to the last game. If anything golden state should never of made it passed 1 game. The raptors essentially gave them game 2 with there screw ups.
GSW was a poor team! They were completely stacked, yet the raptors with one all star managed to beat a super team.
How many super stars and high profile players do they need? Raptors beat golden state both regular season games with a healthy roster, without kawai
People are so salty over this debate. Klay and curry are arguably the best 3 point shooters in the league. Draymond and a healthy cousins are incredible defense. They got out played by the under dog.
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Second run Kobe had Pau Gasol who was a top 10/15 player at that time, Lamar Odom, an in his prime all star who was coming off the bench, and Andrew Bynum , who was a force for the limited time he was healthy (and was also on a 2nd all nba team) and then had Ron Artest added after he had won the first title with the previous team.
Some additional info about the Lakers roster in Kobe second Finals run. Lamar Odom was never an all-star. Andrew Bynum was an all-star once and 2nd team all-nba once but those came 2 years after the Laker's last finals appearance. He was injured literally every time the Lakers were in the Finals. He played sparingly and was clearly hindered by his knee problems when he did play. Those 3 Finals appearances were just Kobe and Pau plus a bunch of good role players. Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum were exceptional talents but their play was inconsistent. They never put it all together and played up to their potential. Also, Ron Artest in 2010 was not an improvement from Trevor Ariza in 2009. We got a little better on defense (from 12th to 9th) but much worse on offense (from 3rd to 12th).
(https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Kobe-Bryant_Pau-Gasol-e1432330226879.jpg)
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How do you figure that Toronto didn't win because of Kawhi? He was the NBA finals MVP. He's a legit superstar in the NBA. Easily one of the 10 best players in the league.
It Siakam playing out of his mind in game 1. Then Lowry and Ibaka in another and the raptors still barely won those games. In one loss Kawhi didn’t score in the last 8 minutes. Overhyped as shit. He owes it all to Durant being hurt.
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Some additional info about the Lakers roster in Kobe second Finals run. Lamar Odom was never an all-star. Andrew Bynum was an all-star once and 2nd team all-nba once but those came 2 years after the Laker's last finals appearance. He was injured literally every time the Lakers were in the Finals. He played sparingly and was clearly hindered by his knee problems when he did play. Those 3 Finals appearances were just Kobe and Pau plus a bunch of good role players. Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum were exceptional talents but their play was inconsistent. They never put it all together and played up to their potential. Also, Ron Artest in 2010 was not an improvement from Trevor Ariza in 2009. We got a little better on defense (from 12th to 9th) but much worse on offense (from 3rd to 12th).
(https://www.sportscasting.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Kobe-Bryant_Pau-Gasol-e1432330226879.jpg)
All true, I think Odom won the 6th man award the year after the last finals run. Bynum was a bum during those 2 finals, I think he had a big game against Boston, that LA lost, but I meant the Kobe Lakers weren't cast offs and Kobe. He was the best player in the league and Pau was also great.
They went to 3 straight finals and beating Boston in 7 was a incredible accomplishment, all things considered.
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Dirk Nowitzki's 1 ring in Dallas is worth more than 10 of these super team championships. He was the lone superstar and he had some good aging vets and role players. They competed against guys like Kobe and Lebron and they were able to get a hard earned Championship. Star players now just want to stack the deck in their favor. Cheap rings from players with no heart.
One of the best teams of all time. Dirk is top 20 easy. And that Mavs team went through a blender just to get the finals.
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Before the Marty Champions account was hacked or whatever.. the REAL Falcon would’ve been all in this thread talking about the greatest player of all time: John Paxson
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Fuck the NBA. And for the record, WTF kind of "name" is "Kawhi". A sneeze name? Did a family member sneeze "KAAAAWHI!!" just as they were mulling over what to name the probably fatherless newborn. Again.
Fuck the NBA.
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You think Kawhi is overhyped??? lol He's arguably one of the best players in the league. Not just offensive dominance but defense. He's such a sick defender.
He is the best two way player in the league and has been since his San Antonio days.
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All true, I think Odom won the 6th man award the year after the last finals run. Bynum was a bum during those 2 finals, I think he had a big game against Boston, that LA lost, but I meant the Kobe Lakers weren't cast offs and Kobe. He was the best player in the league and Pau was also great.
They went to 3 straight finals and beating Boston in 7 was a incredible accomplishment, all things considered.
Lamar had elite level talent. It's a shame he had so much shit happening off the court. He squandered a little bit of his talent. He had a good career, but it could have been great.
I think the Lakers fucked themselves by chasing Andrew Bynum's potential. He had shit knees, and he was ahead case. As Bynum emerged, Pau's role had to diminish a bit. He was put in more of a facilitator role and that continued until he left the team in 2014. He's an excellent facilitator but it doesn't allow him to operate where he is most effective....in the post. Pau was one of the best big men in the league but they didn't appreciate him. The farther they started moving Pau away from the basket the worse the team got. They should have shit-canned Bynum and paid Trevor Ariza. That's my opinion anyway.
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He is the best two way player in the league and has been since his San Antonio days.
As a Raptors (season ticket holder) and Spurs (my entire life) fan I have a love/hate relationship with him. He's essentially won rings for my two fav teams yet he's left us hanging.
Regardless you his raw talent is off the charts. The Spurs developed him so well. People forget about defense and how good this guy is on d, let alone dropping 30 a game. In that Milwaukee series when Nick Nurse switched up and put Kawhi on Giannis it changed the entire series. He's so fucking good, I'm fully devastated he left.
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Lamar had elite level talent. It's a shame he had so much shit happening off the court. He squandered a little bit of his talent. He had a good career, but it could have been great.
I think the Lakers fucked themselves by chasing Andrew Bynum's potential. He had shit knees, and he was ahead case. As Bynum emerged, Pau's role had to diminish a bit. He was put in more of a facilitator role and that continued until he left the team in 2014. He's an excellent facilitator but it doesn't allow him to operate where he is most effective....in the post. Pau was one of the best big men in the league but they didn't appreciate him. The farther they started moving Pau away from the basket the worse the team got. They should have shit-canned Bynum and paid Trevor Ariza. That's my opinion anyway.
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I think that would have been a good call, Ariza is still in the league. I wonder how much more they could have squeezed out of the last of Kobe's prime if they flipped Bynum sooner or if Howard's back hadn't gone out.
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As a Raptors (season ticket holder) and Spurs (my entire life) fan I have a love/hate relationship with him. He's essentially won rings for my two fav teams yet he's left us hanging.
Regardless you his raw talent is off the charts. The Spurs developed him so well. People forget about defense and how good this guy is on d, let alone dropping 30 a game. In that Milwaukee series when Nick Nurse switched up and put Kawhi on Giannis it changed the entire series. He's so fucking good, I'm fully devastated he left.
I think he is the best player in the league. That being said, I was disappointed in how he dealt with San Antonio. Given SA's track record, it was hard to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I did. Now, with him leaving Toronto? How do you win the title, have a team capable of defending it and bail? I have always loved the Spurs (Even as a Pistons fan). Given that I'm from metro Detroit, I root for Toronto as well. I'm disappointed in him for leaving. Will root for the Clippers to NEVER win a title.
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Westbrook and Harden do not seem like a good fit, but who knows. I like Harden and used to think highly of Westbrook until he just keeps being unable to reign himself in. Plays super hard, though.
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Two ball hogs together. That won’t end well.
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Two ball hogs together. That won’t end well.
Actually, Harden is not a ball hog. He led the NBA in assists 2 years ago and averaged over 8 last season. He does pass and he passes well, especially when driving to the basket. Westbrook, on the other hand, is definitely a ball hog and his shot selection can be sub par at times. He actually will go out of his way to steal rebounds from his big men near the paint. That won't jive with Clint Capela down there. His triple double seasons are over now.
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it looks incompatible on paper
there is a risk of a game of hot potato between the 2 when the game is close
It's an upgrade over cp3 though. despised amongst players and on the downside
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Maybe it would be better to call Harden (and Westbrook) ball dominant instead of ball hogs. The bottom line is that both of these players are used to having the ball in their hands for pretty much the entire game. Yes they will rack up assists when the defense collapses on them but other than a kick out and a quick shot by a teammate...........they do not share the ball.
Now Houston has two of these guys. I don't see it working because neither of them have proven that they can or will play off the ball.
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Maybe it would be better to call Harden (and Westbrook) ball dominant instead of ball hogs. The bottom line is that both of these players are used to having the ball in their hands for pretty much the entire game. Yes they will rack up assists when the defense collapses on them but other than a kick out and a quick shot by a teammate...........they do not share the ball.
Now Houston has two of these guys. I don't see it working because neither of them have proven that they can or will play off the ball.
That's a good analysis. It will be interesting to see which of the two players compromises their offensive game to the other. No way either of them puts up the same stat line as they had last year.
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Maybe it would be better to call Harden (and Westbrook) ball dominant instead of ball hogs. The bottom line is that both of these players are used to having the ball in their hands for pretty much the entire game. Yes they will rack up assists when the defense collapses on them but other than a kick out and a quick shot by a teammate...........they do not share the ball.
Now Houston has two of these guys. I don't see it working because neither of them have proven that they can or will play off the ball.
That's a good analysis. It will be interesting to see which of the two players compromises their offensive game to the other. No way either of them puts up the same stat line as they had last year.
Same thing was/would be said about Harden and Paul.
This is definitely an upgrade for Houston.
Paul got old really quickly in the last 2 years... and just got replaced with a younger/bigger/faster, much more athletic version of himself.
Houston will be very good.
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In Hardens defense, he has had basically nobody around him offensively if people are being objective. Gordon is the only one and he is sometimes just a crazy/wild player.