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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/11/report-joe-biden-aides-discover-more-classified-documents-at-separate-location/
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/11/report-joe-biden-aides-discover-more-classified-documents-at-separate-location/
Be sure to read the actual NBC News report the Breitbart article refers to.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371
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My goodness.
Biden is very careless with our National Security.
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He declassified them with his mind. Before the FBI planted them.
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My goodness.
Biden is very careless with our National Security.
Tsk-tsk. (https://media.tenor.com/vQ8GgUFMDwcAAAAM/veronica-mars-nope.gif)
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Be sure to read the actual NBC News report the Breitbart article refers to.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-aides-find-second-batch-classified-documents-new-location-rcna65371
Didn’t open the article did you?
“President Joe Biden’s aides have discovered more classified documents in his possession at a different location, according to a report from NBC News.”
Where is says “Report” is a hyperlink to the NBC article 🙄
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They must be trying to get rid of him now.
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They must be trying to get rid of him now.
President-elect Biden had a sell-by date in November of 2020. By hook or by crook, he’s going away before his term ends.
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Didn’t open the article did you?
“President Joe Biden’s aides have discovered more classified documents in his possession at a different location, according to a report from NBC News.”
Where is says “Report” is a hyperlink to the NBC article 🙄
Using this worn out tactic again are you? I opened and read the Breitbart article, which is how I saw the link to the NBC News report. In fact, I even stated that I did in my response.
Fair turnabout question, did you open the NBC News report link and read it, or did you simply post Breitbart's link to it?
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https://nypost.com/2023/01/12/wh-admits-more-classified-docs-found-in-bidens-delaware-garage/
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https://nypost.com/2023/01/12/wh-admits-more-classified-docs-found-in-bidens-delaware-garage/
Well, at least he kept them in his garage. That's safe.
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Garland just assigned a special council who was former US Attorney appointed by Trump
That's a good thing
I seriously doubt that William Barr would have done that if Trump were still POTUS and in this situation
Let the chips fall where they may
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Well, at least he kept them in his garage. That's safe.
these leftist fucktards here will try to defend it too haha...
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Garland just assigned a special council who was former US Attorney appointed by Trump
That's a good thing
I seriously doubt that William Barr would have done that if Trump were still POTUS and in this situation
Let the chips fall where they may
And Chris Wrays former assistant
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Pant-Shitter had them in his garage.
Maybe Kilary had them near her email server.
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And Chris Wrays former assistant
Wray is also a Trump appointee
If you have an issue with Trump appointee's then there is only one person to blame and his last name starts with T and ends with Rump
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Joy Behar suggests Republicans planted documents on Biden to help Trump: 'Somehow these documents appear'
Fox News ^ | 01/12/2023 | Hanna Panreck | Fox News
Posted on 1/12/2023, 3:49:44 PM by ChicagoConservative27
"The View" co-host Joy Behar said Thursday that she didn't know a luckier person than former President Donald Trump and said President Biden's classified documents appeared just as "we were this close" to getting Trump.
"I've never seen a luckier person than Donald Trump," Behar declared. "Just as we're this close to getting him, somehow these documents appear," appearing to suggest they were planted.
Co-host Alyssa Farah Griffin argued that Biden was "building" Trump's defense for him and added that he was "wrong to have done this."
"He is wrong," co-host Sunny Hostin agreed.
Co-host Whoopi Goldberg emphasized waiting to find out "what this is" first.
"Let’s find out what this is first. Again, one of the things that gets me crazy is before we know, it’s already been spun a specific way," she said. "I don’t want to see that. I want to see someone explain to me, how it’s possible that after all this time, nobody knew. Because to me, if you are missing classified information — I don’t mean to laugh, but in my house, if stuff is missing, I know it’s missing."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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Wray is also a Trump appointee
If you have an issue with Trump appointee's then there is only one person to blame and his last name starts with T and ends with Rump
So…he fucked over Trump as well
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Hank Johnson: Someone Might Have Planted Biden Documents to Get Him
Breitbart ^ | 01-12-2023 | Joel B Pollack
Posted on 1/12/2023, 3:33:38 PM by ChicagoConservative27
Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA) suggested Thursday that someone might have planted caches of classified documents at President Joe Biden’s private residence and former academic office in an effort to frame him.
Fox News’ Hillary Vaughn (via Chad Pergram) reported:
From colleague Hillary Vaughn. Dem GA Rep Johnson on Biden classified documents: I'm suspicious of the timing of it..things can be planted on people, places and things can be planted or things things can be planted in places and then discovered conveniently.
— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 12, 2023
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
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Pant-Shitter had them in his garage.
Maybe Kilary had them near her email server.
Near Trumpy's health care plan, plan to defeat ISIS in 30 day, and the check from Mexico for the wall?
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So…he fucked over Trump as well
LOL - sure he did
Poor Trump - always the victim
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LOL - sure he did
Poor Trump - always the victim
Between Trump's absconding and initially refusing to turn over at least 300 classified documents and the recent discovery of and reporting of several classified documents in two separate locations by Biden's own lawyers, it is obvious that some changes are needed to better protect the handling of these classified government documents. My suggestion is that in the future, no classified documents of this type be allowed to be removed from government secured locations, including the Whitehouse. I can think of no-good reason for former presidents and vice-presidents having possession of these and other government documents after leaving office.
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Between Trump's absconding and initially refusing to turn over at least 300 classified documents and the recent discovery of and reporting of several classified documents in two separate locations by Biden's own lawyers, it is obvious that some changes are needed to better protect the handling of these classified government documents. My suggestion is that in the future, no classified documents of this type be allowed to be removed from government secured locations, including the Whitehouse. I can think of no-good reason for former presidents and vice-presidents having possession of these and other government documents after leaving office.
You seem to be able to decipher a President and a Vice President
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Between Trump's absconding and initially refusing to turn over at least 300 classified documents and the recent discovery of and reporting of several classified documents in two separate locations by Biden's own lawyers, it is obvious that some changes are needed to better protect the handling of these classified government documents. My suggestion is that in the future, no classified documents of this type be allowed to be removed from government secured locations, including the Whitehouse. I can think of no-good reason for former presidents and vice-presidents having possession of these and other government documents after leaving office.
I agree. Classified documents should never leave the institutions from which they are derived. Federal, state and local it should all be the same. I'll be shocked if these documents were "planted". I don't believe that for a second. I do believe the current administration appears to have handled their situation more appropriately than their predecessor. That being said, Biden is a fucking idiot to allow this to happen. I can't even get my head around documents classified at the highest level being in closets at resorts and garages in people's backyards. The shit at the Biden Penn center is not as egregious as the other two examples but still unacceptable.
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Using this worn out tactic again are you? I opened and read the Breitbart article, which is how I saw the link to the NBC News report. In fact, I even stated that I did in my response.
Fair turnabout question, did you open the NBC News report link and read it, or did you simply post Breitbart's link to it?
Are you kidding me? Coach doesn't read the articles he posts, just the headlines... This is common knowledge.
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I agree. Classified documents should never leave the institutions from which they are derived. Federal, state and local it should all be the same. I'll be shocked if these documents were "planted". I don't believe that for a second. I do believe the current administration appears to have handled their situation more appropriately than their predecessor. That being said, Biden is a fucking idiot to allow this to happen. I can't even get my head around documents classified at the highest level being in closets at resorts and garages in people's backyards. The shit at the Biden Penn center is not as egregious as the other two examples but still unacceptable.
I agree to some extent. But classified can mean many different things. For expedience some classified documents are sent via secured lines to various individuals. Confidential is considered classified but may not rise to the level of the security measures of Secret and Top Secret. But for petes sake, NONE of these documents should be left in closets or garages. Ive been seeing on news channels on both sides of the spectrum that mishandling is not uncommon. Well, FFS, that needs to change... Let the chips fall where they may
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With all the corrupt shit Biden has gotten away with...this is way too easy. Make no mistake, he’s being setup by his own side because they want him out.
The elites behind the scenes know he’s brain dead and won’t win in 2024 without ramping up the election fraud even further. Taking Biden out now, gives them enough time to gameplan living with Kamala, but finding a way to slide in greasy Gavin Newsom or someone else.
They will also try to say Biden went down because he had the classified docs and try to make a case to take Trump out for the same reason.
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With all the corrupt shit Biden has gotten away with...this is way too easy. Make no mistake, he’s being setup by his own side because they want him out.
The elites behind the scenes know he’s brain dead and won’t win in 2024 without ramping up the election fraud even further. Taking Biden out now, gives them enough time to gameplan living with Kamala, but finding a way to slide in greasy Gavin Newsom or someone else.
They will also try to say Biden went down because he had the classified docs and try to make a case to take Trump out for the same reason.
I doubt it. His aides found the documents, immediately followed protocol. IF they were setting him up, they would have hid the documents, refused to turn them over and moved them to a private residence,. Standard procedure.
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Are you kidding me? Coach doesn't read the articles he posts, just the headlines... This is common knowledge.
Even if he reads that....
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I doubt it. His aides found the documents, immediately followed protocol. IF they were setting him up, they would have hid the documents, refused to turn them over and moved them to a private residence,. Standard procedure.
You would think something so simple would be understandable... but then considering who we are dealing with here....
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On Classified Documents, Joe Biden Is Out Of Excuses: His entire narrative fell apart in only a week.
The Federalist ^ | 01/12/2023 | David Harsanyi
Posted on 1/12/2023, 11:50:10 PM
Every president probably stashes away classified documents. The chances of any president being successfully prosecuted for pilfering them are infinitesimal. Nevertheless, now that we’ve learned Joe Biden has engaged in the same behavior as Donald Trump — perhaps worse, considering vice presidents are afforded less leeway on classified documents — precedent and transparency, our very democracy, demand Attorney General Merrick Garland name a special counsel to investigate (I get results!)
Right now, none of the rationalizations offered by the media for Biden’s actions over the past few days are operational. When the story first broke, outlets stressed that one of the vital “distinctions” between the two incidents was that Biden was in possession of fewer documents than Trump. Biden aides, we learned, had been utterly shocked to discover only a “small number” of classified documents “locked” in the personal offices of the president’s “think tank” — as if the location or the number of documents, or the alleged lock, rather than the contents, were the most newsworthy aspect of the story.
Today, we learned that a second “batch” of classified documents was uncovered at an “undisclosed” location. Suddenly, everything got incredibly vague. Biden aides, we are told, began diligently rummaging through boxes to ensure they were in complete compliance with the law. A completely independent source told collusion-hoaxer Ken Dilanian that the “search was described as exhaustive, with the goal of getting a full accounting of all classified documents that may have inadvertently been packed in boxes when Biden cleared out of the vice president’s office space in January 2017.” It’s heartening to know that the Bidens are such diligent, law-abiding folk.
Yesterday, we were told that classified documents that are found in a serious office setting, rather than just “lying around” in a home, was an important difference between the two cases. Today, Biden’s lawyer says that “small number” of classified documents was also found “locked” in Biden’s garage and an “adjacent” room of his Wilmington home. (Don’t worry, the president assures us it was safely stored next to his beloved Corvette.) You know, if we find another “small number” of documents, we might just have ourselves a full cache.
No doubt, journalists are super curious to know how those classified documents got into Joe’s garage. I mean, the guy had a think tank office at his disposal in D.C. Moreover, the initial documents were alleged to have been discovered before midterms, and yet we’re only hearing about new ones months later — and in convenient dribs and drabs.
Soon after CBS’s initial story, a four-byline puff piece from CNN reported that the documents found in the think tank were related to Ukraine, Iran, and the U.K., so not just keepsakes and letters and such. This week we also learned, in another soft-peddled report by The New York Times, that Biden, despite his insistence that he knew nothing about his son Hunter’s foreign entanglements, had met with a liaison from the Ukrainian energy interest Burisma, among many other revelations. Recall, Obama officials had also raised concerns about the Biden family business. Is there any chance those Ukrainian documents would have been embarrassing to the president? Seems a reasonable question.
What’s important now, we’re going to be instructed, is that Biden “immediately” contacted the authorities and is fully “cooperating.” Is it possible, and I’m just theorizing here, that Biden and his aides are lying? For one thing, cooperating is fine, but it’s not everything. Trump has every right to hire a lawyer and fight the Archives over documents. Maybe he’s got a case, maybe he doesn’t. But perhaps Biden also simply picked an opportune time to cooperate with his own administration in an effort to avoid any transparency. Far from “immediately” handing over this material, the president’s been in possession of classified documents for nearly seven years. How does the DOJ know there aren’t more documents stashed away? How does it know Biden, like Trump, didn’t put them in his garage on purpose? Because he says so?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s entertaining watching the comically obvious attempts to mitigate the damage. But if Biden hasn’t done anything wrong, he has absolutely nothing to fear.
David Harsanyi is a senior editor at The Federalist, a nationally syndicated columnist, a Happy Warrior columnist at National Review, and author of five books—the most recent, Eurotrash: Why America Must Reject the Failed Ideas of a Dying Continent. He has appeared on Fox News, C-SPAN, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC World News Tonight, NBC Nightly News and radio talk shows across the country. Follow him on Twitter, @davidharsanyi.
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Pervy Joe the traitor coward, walks away from questions. He cant answer anything when caught red-handed, or not stumbling around a prompter.
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FBI is the biggest deep-state lefty lunatic org going. Garland needs to be strung up near Fraduci and Pant-Shitter.
Laughing stocks of the planet, along w/ brainless libturdz...
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Pervy Joe the traitor coward, walks away from questions. He cant answer anything when caught red-handed, or not stumbling around a prompter.
"End of quote / next line"
FBI is the biggest deep-state lefty lunatic org going. Garland needs to be strung up near Fraduci and Pant-Shitter.
Laughing stocks of the planet, along w/ brainless libturdz...
Isn't it ridiculous that Garland appointed a special counsel who is a Republican
Sure, it's been the custom for years to appoint a special council who is in the opposing party to the POTUS but shouldn't Garland have appointed a Democratic
That's what Rosenstein did for Trump so shouldn't that be the new standard now?
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JUST IN: House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan Launches First Investigation Into Biden Classified Documents #GarageGate
The Gateway Pundit ^ | January 13, 2023 | Cristina Laila
Posted on 1/13/2023, 3:43:28 PM by Macho MAGA Man
House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) launched the first congressional investigation into classified documents stored at Joe Biden’s private office and home.
It was revealed this week that Joe Biden improperly stored stolen classified documents at his private office and in his garage next to his Corvette.
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According to CNN, the classified documents were found in a folder labeled “personal.”
Chairman Jordan on Friday sent a letter to US Attorney General Merrick Garland informing him of the investigation and asked him to provide a list of documents related to GarageGate.
Rep. Jordan asked for all documents and communications relating to the appointment of special counsel Robert Hur (scope memo).
Jim Jordan also asked for other communications between the Department of Justice, FBI or the Executive Office of the President related to the classified materials found at Penn Biden Center and Biden’s Delaware garage.
Merrick Garland has until January 27 to respond.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
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JUST IN: House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan Launches First Investigation Into Biden Classified Documents #GarageGate
The Gateway Pundit ^ | January 13, 2023 | Cristina Laila
Posted on 1/13/2023, 3:43:28 PM by Macho MAGA Man
House Judiciary Chairman Jim Jordan (R-OH) launched the first congressional investigation into classified documents stored at Joe Biden’s private office and home.
It was revealed this week that Joe Biden improperly stored stolen classified documents at his private office and in his garage next to his Corvette.
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According to CNN, the classified documents were found in a folder labeled “personal.”
Chairman Jordan on Friday sent a letter to US Attorney General Merrick Garland informing him of the investigation and asked him to provide a list of documents related to GarageGate.
Rep. Jordan asked for all documents and communications relating to the appointment of special counsel Robert Hur (scope memo).
Jim Jordan also asked for other communications between the Department of Justice, FBI or the Executive Office of the President related to the classified materials found at Penn Biden Center and Biden’s Delaware garage.
Merrick Garland has until January 27 to respond.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
I'll bet you a dollar Merrick Garland tells them to go pound sand
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Between Trump's absconding and initially refusing to turn over at least 300 classified documents and the recent discovery of and reporting of several classified documents in two separate locations by Biden's own lawyers, it is obvious that some changes are needed to better protect the handling of these classified government documents. My suggestion is that in the future, no classified documents of this type be allowed to be removed from government secured locations, including the Whitehouse. I can think of no-good reason for former presidents and vice-presidents having possession of these and other government documents after leaving office.
Stop Prime. There wasn’t even close to “300 classified” documents. Holy shit
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Stop Prime. There wasn’t even close to “300 classified” documents. Holy shit
Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago
The initial batch of documents retrieved by the National Archives from former President Donald J. Trump in January included more than 150 marked as classified, a number that ignited intense concern at the Justice Department and helped trigger the criminal investigation that led F.B.I. agents to swoop into Mar-a-Lago this month seeking to recover more, multiple people briefed on the matter said.
In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html
More classified docs found in a storage unit.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/classified-docs-found-trump-storage-192903409.html
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I agree to some extent. But classified can mean many different things. For expedience some classified documents are sent via secured lines to various individuals. Confidential is considered classified but may not rise to the level of the security measures of Secret and Top Secret. But for petes sake, NONE of these documents should be left in closets or garages. Ive been seeing on news channels on both sides of the spectrum that mishandling is not uncommon. Well, FFS, that needs to change... Let the chips fall where they may
There is no doubt in my mind that the mishandling of government documents has been a common occurrence. This is the only explanation for the sloppy and careless handling of them. It needs to stop, and strict guidelines put in place for all government documents regardless of the degree of classification.
I remember this also being true with the use of private cell phones for government business. Hilary used a Blackberry. The excuse offered was that she was familiar with its operation. Learning how to use new technology is not rocket science. If she learned how to operate a Blackberry, she could learn how to do the same with government issued equipment. Same with her misuse of email and having a personal server in her home.
I worked in public employment for 30 years. There are different guidelines for how various things are handled verses in the private sector, such as not accepting gifts from venders. The folks who ignored these things, ran the risk of being terminated and yet some broke the rules anyway.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/22/us/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-documents.html
More classified docs found in a storage unit.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/classified-docs-found-trump-storage-192903409.html
Exactly, I did a search and it what came up were links to all never Trump hating propaganda rags and of course The NY Times and the rest that ran with the fake “Russian Collusion” narrative and as usual you fell for it.
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And once again, the President has the power to declassify…VP can’t even take toilet paper from the WH (watch these idiots take that literally)
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Exactly, I did a search and it what came up were links to all never Trump hating propaganda rags and of course The NY Times and the rest that ran with the fake “Russian Collusion” narrative and as usual you fell for it.
Boohoo. ::) Try harder next time you do a search. It is not like you have trouble finding media that supports your foregone conclusions. How were your search parameters different this time from all those other times when you find exactly what you want?
Below are the results of a quick search using the phrase, ‘More classified documents found’ and almost none of it is about Trump hoarding of classified documents. The closest to that is the USA Today article which I did not edit out to show that a broad search provides a variety of outcomes.
Source: Biden team finds more docs with classified markings
https://apnews.com/article/biden-classified-documents-updates-e506a5c4094356cf4c7d11f8fb3d23b4
Graphics: How Biden's case differs from Trump's classified documents seized at Mar-a-Lago
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2023/01/12/how-biden-documents-differ-trump/11023172002/
Garland appoints special counsel in Biden documents investigation
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/garland-attorney-general-statement-01-12-23/index.html
More classified documents found in garage at Biden's Wilmington home, White House says
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/classified-documents-found-bidens-wilmington-home-garage-white/story?id=96390141
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And once again, the President has the power to declassify…VP can’t even take toilet paper from the WH (watch these idiots take that literally)
Really??? Maybe you should do another search. Not sure what you search for, but if you want correct information it pays to look at the original source documents or laws. In this case: Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information
Under a 2009 Obama-era executive order titled "Classified National Security Information" the vice president does have the power to declassify documents while they're in office. The order states: "The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and the Vice President [...]," as well as "agency heads and officials designated by the President."
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section...
(3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President...
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information
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Boohoo. ::) Try harder next time you do a search. It is not like you have trouble finding media that supports your foregone conclusions. How were your search parameters different this time from all those other times when you find exactly what you want?
Below are the results of a quick search using the phrase, ‘More classified documents found’ and almost none of it is about Trump hoarding of classified documents. The closest to that is the USA Today article which I did not edit out to show that a broad search provides a variety of outcomes.
Source: Biden team finds more docs with classified markings
https://apnews.com/article/biden-classified-documents-updates-e506a5c4094356cf4c7d11f8fb3d23b4
Graphics: How Biden's case differs from Trump's classified documents seized at Mar-a-Lago
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2023/01/12/how-biden-documents-differ-trump/11023172002/
Garland appoints special counsel in Biden documents investigation
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/garland-attorney-general-statement-01-12-23/index.html
More classified documents found in garage at Biden's Wilmington home, White House says
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/classified-documents-found-bidens-wilmington-home-garage-white/story?id=96390141
Boohoo my ass. Look at my last post. And on that note Biden had NO authority or power to be taking anything from the WH, not only that, he has classified docs on Iran and Ukraine. Now we’re finding out that his crackhead son was living there at the time. Hunter also listed that house as his own on an application. Keep thinking your boy is perfect. In 50 years he’s lied about just everything and a failed policy record to boot
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Really??? Maybe you should do another search. Not sure what you search for, but if you want correct information it pays to look at the original source documents or laws. In this case: Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information
Under a 2009 Obama-era executive order titled "Classified National Security Information" the vice president does have the power to declassify documents while they're in office. The order states: "The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and the Vice President [...]," as well as "agency heads and officials designated by the President."
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section...
(3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President...
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information
I said he didn’t have the power to remove shit from the WH. You might want to reread that.
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How do you even have to e balls to post any more after all the bogus nonsense you liberal guys believes and supported over the years that turned out utterly false.
How shameful - but like most libs you don’t give a F.
Really??? Maybe you should do another search. Not sure what you search for, but if you want correct information it pays to look at the original source documents or laws. In this case: Executive Order 13526- Classified National Security Information
Under a 2009 Obama-era executive order titled "Classified National Security Information" the vice president does have the power to declassify documents while they're in office. The order states: "The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by: (1) the President and the Vice President [...]," as well as "agency heads and officials designated by the President."
Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:
(1) the President and the Vice President;
(2) "Top Secret" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President, or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph (a)(2) of this section...
(3) "Secret" or "Confidential" original classification authority may be delegated only by the President, the Vice President...
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information
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Exactly, I did a search and it what came up were links to all never Trump hating propaganda rags and of course The NY Times and the rest that ran with the fake “Russian Collusion” narrative and as usual you fell for it.
LOL - WTF man
So you believe the NYT "hates" Trump and therefore anything they print about him that you find unfavorable can be deemed "fake"
By that same logic you obviously hate the NYT so anything you say about them is obviously fake and can be dismissed
Seriously though, I think I'm going to trust the reporting in the NYT unless/until you can provide some proof that what they've reported is not true
BTW - I recall you posting article from gatewaypundit and other sources that obviously hate Dems so I know you'll understand why I assume everything they print is fake
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I said he didn’t have the power to remove shit from the WH. You might want to reread that.
Thanks but I read it just fine the first time when I wondered what relevance it had to a conversation about classified documents.
Okay, technically what you said in your post is he cannot remove toilet paper, and this is correct. What toilet paper has to do with classified documents, I don’t know. But, since it is likely government owned, the President cannot remove it either. When former Presidents and their families vacate the white house at some point prior to the next President moving in, they take their personal property with them, anything else is government property and remains in the Whitehouse. Same as with the VP and the government property they occupied during their term in office.
Reminder, this thread is “Re: More classified documents found” and by extension who as the authority to declassify documents.
Both Biden and Trump are guilty of removing classified documents to unauthorized locations, which is in violation of federal law.
The law mandates that presidential records are the property of the U.S. government, rather than belonging to the president himself.
These are a few things to consider before making off-the-cuff comments:
The PRA (Presidential Records Act) requires the President to ensure preservation of records documenting the performance of his official duties (44 U.S.C. § 2203(a)), provides for the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to take custody and control of the records.
Any agency designated by the President can originate classified information if it meets the content criteria. Each agency is responsible for safeguarding and declassifying its own documents.
Access is restricted by law or regulation to groups of people with the necessary security clearance and need to know and mishandling of the material can incur criminal penalties.
What applies to one applies to all (or both in this case). Nobody is saying Biden can take and store Classified documents in unauthorized locations, neither can Trump. At this point, from what information we have, they are both guilty of this.
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How do you even have to e balls to post any more after all the bogus nonsense you liberal guys believes and supported over the years that turned out utterly false.
How shameful - but like most libs you don’t give a F.
Probably about as many 'e' balls as you do depending on whether you are on the 'juice'. ;D In truth, a lot of what goes on in government is bogus nonsense in case you did not notice. Also, given enough time and interest we occasionally become aware that some of what we are fed by government is false. Even more of what we get from the media, left or right, is false or greatly exaggerated.
Shame on me - shame on you.
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EVEN MORE FOUND
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/14/us/biden-classified-documents-delaware.html
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This is just insane how careless this guy is.
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This is just insane how careless this guy is.
He has been this way his entire life.
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"Yes, as well as my Corvette." ::)
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Neither Biden nor Trump should have Classified documents in their offices, garages or homes. All of them belong in the government archives. However just for comparison sake, there are some notable differences between these two situations, such as the number of classified documents discovered and how they were found and what happened following this.
Ten (10) classified documents were found by Biden's attorneys when they were clearing out his private office last fall. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Richard Sauber, White House special counsel, said that a total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered by Biden's aides at his Wilmington residence. One of them was found in a locked garage. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Investigators and the National Archives spent months seeking information about materials which were stored at former President Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home/club. Finally, it took a warrant and the F.B.I.’s search to recover the over 300 documents, 60 of which were top secret. Many of these documents were located in various unsecured locations throughout Trump's residence and private club.
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Neither Biden nor Trump should have Classified documents in their offices, garages or homes. All of them belong in the government archives. However just for comparison sake, there are some notable differences between these two situations, such as the number of classified documents discovered and how they were found and what happened following this.
Ten (10) classified documents were found by Biden's attorneys when they were clearing out his private office last fall. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Richard Sauber, White House special counsel, said that a total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered by Biden's aides at his Wilmington residence. One of them was found in a locked garage. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Investigators and the National Archives spent months seeking information about materials which were stored at former President Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home/club. Finally, it took a warrant and the F.B.I.’s search to recover the over 300 documents, 60 of which were top secret. Many of these documents were located in various unsecured locations throughout Trump's residence and private club.
If Biden classified the documents himself, this is likely a rien-burger (why does GB convert n0thlng-b0rgor to "guy?"). If he didn’t, he’s likely phukked – or should be, with an honest DOJ.
Immediately reported? Biden had them for more than six years in unsecured locations. This is nothing like Trump’s retention of classified docs, which both the National Archives and DOJ were aware of.
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If Biden classified the documents himself, this is likely a rien-burger (why does GB convert n0thlng-b0rgor to "guy?"). If he didn’t, he’s likely phukked – or should be, with an honest DOJ.
Immediately reported? Biden had them for more than six years in unsecured locations. This is nothing like Trump’s retention of classified docs, which both the National Archives and DOJ were aware of.
I repeat. I'm not letting Biden off the hook. He had the documents, he needs to explain why he did... and do that soon.
I guess I missed when Trump or any of his cohorts (attorneys) voluntarily reported to anyone, including the FBI or the National Archives that he knowingly had in his possession at Mar-a-Lago more than 300 classified documents. Can you provide a timeline of when this happened?
Did it ever occur to you that Biden legitimately forgot or was unaware he had in his possession 15 documents for the last 6 years?
When the-shit-hit-the-fan about Trump hoarding classified documents. Why didn’t Biden hide these documents where they’d never be found or asked someone like his attorneys go through his office, home, and garage to see if he had inadvertently retained a few government documents… oh, wait, this appears to be exactly what he did. The documents Biden had were discovered and reported by his own people.
Biden didn’t wait until the National Archives repeatedly asked that they be returned and then refused to do so until the FBI got a warrant to search his home and seize them. Also, so far as I know, Biden hasn’t claimed they belonged to him. But, Trump did that. Lawyers for former President Donald Trump argued that the hundreds of documents the FBI seized from his Florida residence are “personal” and belonged to him. Why” Because he said so, that’s why.
Some people much younger than me, seem to have very short memories when it comes to certain topics and events. Some people also say Biden is senile. One of the first symptoms of senility is forgetfulness. If push comes to shove, Biden can blame his lapse of memory this.
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…..he’s not cooperating
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I repeat. I'm not letting Biden off the hook. He had the documents, he needs to explain why he did... and do that soon.
I guess I missed when Trump or any of his cohorts (attorneys) voluntarily reported to anyone, including the FBI or the National Archives that he knowingly had in his possession at Mar-a-Lago more than 300 classified documents. Can you provide a timeline of when this happened?
Did it ever occur to you that Biden legitimately forgot or was unaware he had in his possession 15 documents for the last 6 years?
When the-shit-hit-the-fan about Trump hoarding classified documents. Why didn’t Biden hide these documents where they’d never be found or asked someone like his attorneys go through his office, home, and garage to see if he had inadvertently retained a few government documents… oh, wait, this appears to be exactly what he did. The documents Biden had were discovered and reported by his own people.
Biden didn’t wait until the National Archives repeatedly asked that they be returned and then refused to do so until the FBI got a warrant to search his home and seize them. Also, so far as I know, Biden hasn’t claimed they belonged to him. But, Trump did that. Lawyers for former President Donald Trump argued that the hundreds of documents the FBI seized from his Florida residence are “personal” and belonged to him. Why” Because he said so, that’s why.
Some people much younger than me, seem to have very short memories when it comes to certain topics and events. Some people also say Biden is senile. One of the first symptoms of senility is forgetfulness. If push comes to shove, Biden can blame his lapse of memory this.
Biden has been a proven liar for 50 years and not one accomplishment to his record
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Biden has been a proven liar for 50 years and not one accomplishment to his record
If this wasn't coming from a supporter of a guy who holds the records for the most lies in a term.. It might mean something
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I repeat. I'm not letting Biden off the hook. He had the documents, he needs to explain why he did... and do that soon.
I guess I missed when Trump or any of his cohorts (attorneys) voluntarily reported to anyone, including the FBI or the National Archives that he knowingly had in his possession at Mar-a-Lago more than 300 classified documents. Can you provide a timeline of when this happened?
Did it ever occur to you that Biden legitimately forgot or was unaware he had in his possession 15 documents for the last 6 years?
When the-shit-hit-the-fan about Trump hoarding classified documents. Why didn’t Biden hide these documents where they’d never be found or asked someone like his attorneys go through his office, home, and garage to see if he had inadvertently retained a few government documents… oh, wait, this appears to be exactly what he did. The documents Biden had were discovered and reported by his own people.
Biden didn’t wait until the National Archives repeatedly asked that they be returned and then refused to do so until the FBI got a warrant to search his home and seize them. Also, so far as I know, Biden hasn’t claimed they belonged to him. But, Trump did that. Lawyers for former President Donald Trump argued that the hundreds of documents the FBI seized from his Florida residence are “personal” and belonged to him. Why” Because he said so, that’s why.
Some people much younger than me, seem to have very short memories when it comes to certain topics and events. Some people also say Biden is senile. One of the first symptoms of senility is forgetfulness. If push comes to shove, Biden can blame his lapse of memory this.
Yes, this my problem with Biden's clear mental diminishment.
Prime, he has a few hours a day to be kind of clear (nootropics) - he's not available for the rest of the day.
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If this wasn't coming from a supporter of a guy who holds the records for the most lies in a term.. It might mean something
Trump Bad
Hunter , keep praying thanks for him
Biden can do No Wrong & is 100% with it cognitively
All correct - yes ?
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Maybe they can hurry up and find your US citizenship. Right now it must still be classified.
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Maybe they can hurry up and find your US citizenship. Right now it must still be classified.
And yours ::)
Maybe Donald has them :o
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And maybe all the info on the many people you killed is on Hunter's laptop.
Or maybe you are just a lying sack of shit foreigner that needs to let Americans worry about American politics. Since you obviously know nothing about either one.
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And maybe all the info on the many people you killed is on Hunter's laptop.
Or maybe you are just a lying sack of shit foreigner that needs to let Americans worry about American politics. Since you obviously know nothing about either one.
Oh no - I never thought it'd be on Hunters laptop .
Possibly it is you who is a liar & nit wit.
Take some deep breathes & go find your quiet room .
Mr intelligent. ::)
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Oh no - I never thought it'd be on Hunters laptop .
Possibly it is you who is a liar & nit wit.
Take some deep breathes & go find your quiet room .
Mr intelligent. ::)
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If this wasn't coming from a supporter of a guy who holds the records for the most lies in a term.. It might mean something
Trump lied so it's OK if Biden does it? Interesting take.
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Lies, cover ups, obstruction:
"White House lawyer Richard Sauber said in a statement that a total of six pages of classified documents were found during a search of Biden's private library. The White House had said previously that only a single page was found there."
"Sauber's statement did not explain why the White House waited two days to provide an updated accounting of the number of classified records. The White House is already facing scrutiny for waiting more than two months to acknowledge the discovery of the initial group of documents at the Biden office."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html
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Neither Biden nor Trump should have Classified documents in their offices, garages or homes. All of them belong in the government archives. However just for comparison sake, there are some notable differences between these two situations, such as the number of classified documents discovered and how they were found and what happened following this.
Ten (10) classified documents were found by Biden's attorneys when they were clearing out his private office last fall. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Richard Sauber, White House special counsel, said that a total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered by Biden's aides at his Wilmington residence. One of them was found in a locked garage. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Investigators and the National Archives spent months seeking information about materials which were stored at former President Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home/club. Finally, it took a warrant and the F.B.I.’s search to recover the over 300 documents, 60 of which were top secret. Many of these documents were located in various unsecured locations throughout Trump's residence and private club.
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How convenient of you to leave out the parts where:
1. The White House lied saying previously that only a single page was found at Biden's private library, when they actually found six.
2. The White House waited two days to provide an updated accounting of the number of classified records found at Biden's private library.
3. The White House waited more than two months to acknowledge the discovery of the initial group of documents at the Biden office.
4. After stealing these classified documents, Biden hid them for six years.
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…..he’s not cooperating
Please link your sources which also provide examples of how Biden has not complied with the document probe. I was not aware that a probe started. It was just assigned last Thursday when Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed former Justice Department official Robert Hur to lead the DOJ probe.
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Read Loco's post above yours.
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Read Loco's post above yours.
Loco's post does not change the comparison between Biden's and Trump's document situations.
Loco's post has no bearing on Coach's claim that Biden is not cooperating with the probe or my reply to Coach.
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A librtards response to everything:
"Kilarys mail server".... "Yeah, but Trump"...
"Joe's documents"... "Yeah, but Trump"...
"Joe finger rapes a woman in office"... "Yeah, but trump SAID grab her pussy"....
Fucking retards ::) ::) ::) ::)
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According to government documents stored on his personal computer, Hunter Biden lived in 2018 and 2019 at the Wilmington, Del., home where his father had classified materials stored in the garage. It is unclear precisely when the documents were put in the garage or when Hunter Biden began living at the residence, but in May 2018 the president's scandal-plagued son was issued a Delaware driver's license listing his father’s home as his primary residence.
The living arrangement raises serious questions following Attorney General Merrick Garland’s decision to appoint a special counsel to investigate President Biden’s mishandling of classified documents. Hunter Biden, who suffered from a crack cocaine addiction for years and had extensive ties to foreign business contacts, is facing a federal criminal investigation of his own for tax fraud and lying on a firearm application.
Neither the White House nor the Department of Justice responded to a request for comment.
In December 2018, Hunter Biden directed his Wells Fargo financial adviser to change his banking address to the Wilmington address. He also added the address to his PayPal account in January 2019. And a month later, Hunter Biden ordered a number of products from the auction site Tophatter to be shipped to the home, including a night vision monocular telescope, an anti-police GPS radar detector, a 5-megawatt laser pointer, a 360-degree USB webcam, and a $51 smartphone, according to shipping receipts found on his laptop.
Hunter Biden also used the home as his billing address for his Apple account, according to over a dozen receipts on the hard drive dated between January 2019 and March 2019. Digital items Hunter Biden purchased in that timeframe include subscriptions for various dating services, an app that makes calls and texts from a second phone number, and an audiobook of his father’s memoir, Promise Me, Dad: A Year of Hope, Hardship, and Purpose.
A notarized Quitclaim Deed located on the hard drive dated Feb. 20, 2019, identifies Hunter Biden as a "divorced man, residing" at his father’s Wilmington property.
Real creepy and totally corrupt insane libturdz... ::) ::)
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Trump Bad
Hunter , keep praying thanks for him
Biden can do No Wrong & is 100% with it cognitively
All correct - yes ?
You know better
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You know better
And I thought you would've
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You know better
If you follow his shitty postings, you would know he doesn't. ;D
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According to government documents stored on his personal computer, Hunter Biden lived in 2018 and 2019 at the Wilmington, Del., home where his father had classified materials stored in the garage. It is unclear precisely when the documents were put in the garage or when Hunter Biden began living at the residence, but in May 2018 the president's scandal-plagued son was issued a Delaware driver's license listing his father’s home as his primary residence.
The living arrangement raises serious questions following Attorney General Merrick Garland’s decision to appoint a special counsel to investigate President Biden’s mishandling of classified documents. Hunter Biden, who suffered from a crack cocaine addiction for years and had extensive ties to foreign business contacts, is facing a federal criminal investigation of his own for tax fraud and lying on a firearm application.
Neither the White House nor the Department of Justice responded to a request for comment.
In December 2018, Hunter Biden directed his Wells Fargo financial adviser to change his banking address to the Wilmington address. He also added the address to his PayPal account in January 2019. And a month later, Hunter Biden ordered a number of products from the auction site Tophatter to be shipped to the home, including a night vision monocular telescope, an anti-police GPS radar detector, a 5-megawatt laser pointer, a 360-degree USB webcam, and a $51 smartphone, according to shipping receipts found on his laptop.
Hunter Biden also used the home as his billing address for his Apple account, according to over a dozen receipts on the hard drive dated between January 2019 and March 2019. Digital items Hunter Biden purchased in that timeframe include subscriptions for various dating services, an app that makes calls and texts from a second phone number, and an audiobook of his father’s memoir, Promise Me, Dad: A Year of Hope, Hardship, and Purpose.
A notarized Quitclaim Deed located on the hard drive dated Feb. 20, 2019, identifies Hunter Biden as a "divorced man, residing" at his father’s Wilmington property.
Real creepy and totally corrupt insane libturdz... ::) ::)
The usual saying is, "the sins of the father" in this case it is the sins of the son... and there appears to be quite a goodly number of them. Your post pretty much covers every sin Hunter perpetuated whether they are relative to the discovery of these classified government documents or not. What is noteworthy is that from what the public has been told, Hunter Biden was likely not the most trustworthy person around.
There is a good possibility that Joe Biden didn't remember or know that he had six of these documents at his Wilmington home, (some say he is senile and senile people often forget these kinds of things). At this point we have no idea what information those six classified government documents contained. Whatever is in them could make a huge difference as to the possibility of a breach of security.
Again, Trump hoarded over 300 classified government documents at his Mar-a-Lago club and residence. The club members hail from all over the world... pretty much anyone who is willing to pay the fees. This is an environment where all manner of national security breaches might have occurred.
Lastly, I repeat, neither of these men should have been able to keep these documents because they technically do not belong to them. It would be interesting to know what each man hoped to do with them... write a book, sell them to a foreign country or flush them down their toilets.
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If you follow his shitty postings, you would know he doesn't. ;D
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Hunter now found paying his dad 50K PER MONTH for the house that the docs were found.
Probably a meeting place for the highest bidder. Libs need to stop trying to deflect and deal with reality.
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Hunter now found paying his dad 50K PER MONTH for the house that the docs were found.
Probably a meeting place for the highest bidder. Libs need to stop trying to deflect and deal with reality.
Yipee skippee
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How convenient of you to leave out the parts where:
1. The White House lied saying previously that only a single page was found at Biden's private library, when they actually found six.
2. The White House waited two days to provide an updated accounting of the number of classified records found at Biden's private library.
3. The White House waited more than two months to acknowledge the discovery of the initial group of documents at the Biden office.
4. After stealing these classified documents, Biden hid them for six years.
5. "Now a garage door, you can go out to any one of these tech places and you can program any garage door opener to open up any garage door, practically," Swecker added. "[Biden] wasn't under Secret Service protection at the time, from my understanding, and the house was empty a lot of that time. That house was inherently insecure. It's much less secure than Mar-a-Lago."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-fbi-assistant-director-sees-130026730.html
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http://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/14/white-house-says-more-classified-documents-found-at-bidens-home.html
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Neither Biden nor Trump should have Classified documents in their offices, garages or homes. All of them belong in the government archives. However just for comparison sake, there are some notable differences between these two situations, such as the number of classified documents discovered and how they were found and what happened following this.
Ten (10) classified documents were found by Biden's attorneys when they were clearing out his private office last fall. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Richard Sauber, White House special counsel, said that a total of six pages of documents with classification markings were discovered by Biden's aides at his Wilmington residence. One of them was found in a locked garage. This was immediately reported by his attorneys to the proper authorities who then collected the documents.
Investigators and the National Archives spent months seeking information about materials which were stored at former President Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home/club. Finally, it took a warrant and the F.B.I.’s search to recover the over 300 documents, 60 of which were top secret. Many of these documents were located in various unsecured locations throughout Trump's residence and private club.
What a ridiculous graphic. Three things missing:
Number of mishandled classified documents needed to put someone in prison: one.
Ability to declassify any classified document in his sole discretion, without any required protocol: the president.
The authority the vice president has to declassify anything: none.
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What a ridiculous graphic. Three things missing:
Number of mishandled classified documents needed to put someone in prison: one.
Ability to declassify any classified document in his sole discretion, without any required protocol: the president.
The authority the vice president has to declassify anything: none.
Biden had them in the F NG garage which he goes to every weekend in a box he knew he had them YEARS AGO
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Biden had them in the F NG garage which he goes to every weekend in a box he knew he had them YEARS AGO
And his crackhead son lived there. If this was anyone else that person would have their clearance immediately suspended, then revoked, and would face criminal charges.
As President Obama said: "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f... things up."
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What is he hiding?
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/16/joe-biden-spent-163-days-wilmington-home-where-secret-service-claims-no-visitor-logs-exist/
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Lies, cover ups, obstruction:
"White House lawyer Richard Sauber said in a statement that a total of six pages of classified documents were found during a search of Biden's private library. The White House had said previously that only a single page was found there."
"Sauber's statement did not explain why the White House waited two days to provide an updated accounting of the number of classified records. The White House is already facing scrutiny for waiting more than two months to acknowledge the discovery of the initial group of documents at the Biden office."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyers-found-more-classified-documents-165811239.html
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Liars
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said during a Thursday afternoon press conference lawyers had finished searching for classified documents after some were found in President Biden's Wilmington, Delaware, garage.
But the search actually continued that evening when more classified documents were found.
Karine-Pierre said the matter was "in the hands of the special counsel." When asked again if the search had been completed, she said, "You should assume it has been completed, yes."
Later in the press conference, Karine-Pierre said "the search is complete."
However, White House special counsel Richard Sauber said in a statement Saturday that he went to President Biden's Wilmington, Delaware, home Thursday evening and found more classified documents.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/karine-jean-pierre-said-search-120035932.html
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In both cases the prosecutors have to prove that Trump/Biden had knowledge of the docs and INTENDED to keep them
That's easy to prove in Trumps case just through the timeline of the events and also by Trumps own public statements
No proof yet that Biden was aware he had the docs. It appears that the National Archives didn't even know they were missing
Additionally, they have multiple instances of obstruction with Trump. I'm not aware of any obstruction by Biden as of yet
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In both cases the prosecutors have to prove that Trump/Biden had knowledge of the docs and INTENDED to keep them
That's easy to prove in Trumps case just through the timeline of the events and also by Trumps own public statements
No proof yet that Biden was aware he had the docs. It appears that the National Archives didn't even know they were missing
Additionally, they have multiple instances of obstruction with Trump. I'm not aware of any obstruction by Biden as of yet
Settle down Straw. We all know the demoncrats are trying to rid us of Biden and put Kuntmala in power.
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How convenient of you to leave out the parts where:
1. The White House lied saying previously that only a single page was found at Biden's private library, when they actually found six.
2. The White House waited two days to provide an updated accounting of the number of classified records found at Biden's private library.
3. The White House waited more than two months to acknowledge the discovery of the initial group of documents at the Biden office.
4. After stealing these classified documents, Biden hid them for six years.
5. "Now a garage door, you can go out to any one of these tech places and you can program any garage door opener to open up any garage door, practically," Swecker added. "[Biden] wasn't under Secret Service protection at the time, from my understanding, and the house was empty a lot of that time. That house was inherently insecure. It's much less secure than Mar-a-Lago."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-fbi-assistant-director-sees-130026730.html
That one document in his garage must have been important, otherwise Biden might have forgotten it. Or maybe he did forget. According to some folks he is senile and likely would not remember that he had it and the other 5 classified documents at his home. He had sixteen documents total counting those in his vacated office. I wonder what percentage this is of the total number of classified documents he handled and read while he was VP?
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In both cases the prosecutors have to prove that Trump/Biden had knowledge of the docs and INTENDED to keep them
That's easy to prove in Trumps case just through the timeline of the events and also by Trumps own public statements
No proof yet that Biden was aware he had the docs. It appears that the National Archives didn't even know they were missing
Additionally, they have multiple instances of obstruction with Trump. I'm not aware of any obstruction by Biden as of yet
Wrong. Intent is not required.
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“Biden Tax Returns Disappear From Campaign Website for Years Hunter Claimed He Lived at Joe’s Delaware Home”
Tucker Carlson reported Monday night that tax returns for the years 2016-2018 have disappeared from Joe Biden’s campaign website’s financial disclosure page at Joe Biden.com .
Those years cover the same timeframe that first son Hunter claimed on a background check report to allegedly have paid nearly $50,000 per month rent to stay at father Joe’s Wilmington, Delaware home where illicit classified documents were found in December 2022 and last week. (Note added at end to reflect headline edit: Rent claim is in question)
The link for Biden’s tax returns for 2019 for federal, Delaware and Virginia is still active. All the others redirect to a Democrat donation page.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris proudly displayed their tax filings on the JoeBiden.com webpage.
Links to their tax filings were posted on the joebiden.com financial disclosure webpage in July 2019.
The original list of tax filings included filings from 2016, 2017, and 2018:
Open link for the documents, links and rest of the article
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/cover-biden-tax-returns-disappear-campaign-website-years-hunter-claimed-paid-50k-per-month-rent-joe/
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That one document in his garage must have been important, otherwise Biden might have forgotten it. Or maybe he did forget. According to some folks he is senile and likely would not remember that he had it and the other 5 classified documents at his home. He had sixteen documents total counting those in his vacated office. I wonder what percentage this is of the total number of classified documents he handled and read while he was VP?
Doesn't matter. Joe was the VP, not the president. He knew it was illegal to keep classified documents, but he did it anyway. He kept them for six years in a very insecure location. After the classified documents were found, the WH delayed disclosing that fact, and lied about the number of pages found.
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“Hunter Biden’s $49,910 Rent Matches Rental Deposit at House of Sweden with CEFC China Energy”
Hunter Biden’s monthly rent of $49,910 matches a rental deposit at the House of Sweden related to the Biden family business venture with the infamous CEFC China Energy Co. Hunter’s $49,910 deposit also matches the amount of money he logged on a 2018 background check document unearthed by the New York Post’s Miranda Devine.
In an email on October 13, 2017, Cecilia Browning, the general manager of House of Sweden, an office complex in Washington, DC, emailed Hunter about a lease that Hunter and his Chinese business partners were trying to terminate, according to emails unearthed from Hunter’s “Laptop from Hell.”
Browning notes the amount of the deposit was $49,910 for the office space and that it would be returned to Hunter upon signing a lease termination document.
“If you are willing to terminate the lease of #507 – the owners are willing to let you out of the lease as of December 31, 2017,” Browning emailed Hunter. “Please note that there is a security deposit paid by you of $49,910 which will be returned within 15 days after the termination of the lease (after inspection of normal wear and tear).”
Hunter had apparently requested the termination of the lease after his deal with CEFC China Energy fell apart. The Biden family had previously negotiated a deal with CEFC whereby President Joe Biden (Big Guy) would receive a ten percent equity stake in the joint venture, whistleblower Tony Bobulinski stated.
“I do have good news – I spoke with the head office and they are willing to let you out of the lease as of December 31 this year,” Browning emailed Hunter a month later. “Just wanted to make sure that you received my email below, and also to ask you to confirm so that we can prepare the lease termination documents.”
Hunter appeared not to respond. Browning sent a third email to Hunter on December 14 requesting confirmation of the lease:
Hunter, we haven’t seen you for a while in the building and I wanted to make sure that you received my emails below – as you can see I now have the approval to terminate your lease as per our discussion in October (without any penalty) either December 31, 2017 or January 31, 2018 – whatever is more convenient for you. Please confirm so that we can start preparing the lease termination documents.
Hunter’s assistant Katie Dodge finally responded on January 22, 2018, to Browning. Dodge said Hunter did not want to terminate the lease. But a few days later, Dodge emailed Browning on January 30 and confirmed Hunter would like to terminate the lease:
Yes, we are confirming that Hunter would like to terminate the lease and exit the unit at the end of February (Feb 28) and that the security deposit will cover the remaining rent less. We will pay you the few thousand more for any damage. You can let me know what that amount will be.
Hunter’s $49,910 deposit matches the amount of money he logged on a 2018 background check document unearthed by the Post’s Miranda Devine. Hunter claimed on the form he paid $49,910 in monthly rent from March 2017 to February 2018. The document was signed in July 2018.
The lease dates on the email chain between Hunter and the House of Sweden have not been delineated.
The background check also noted that Hunter’s residence was Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, where the president kept classified documents alongside his Corvette in the garage.
The form additionally reveals Hunter checked a box showing he was an owner of a “Current Residence.” It’s not clear why Hunter noted he owned a location where he paid rent or why he listed his current address as Joe Biden’s residence with rent payments.
In 2018 Hunter Biden claimed he owned the house where Joe Biden kept classified documents alongside his Corvette in the garage Via @jj_talking pic.twitter.com/L7c80MRRiS
— Miranda Devine (@mirandadevine) January 12, 2023
The $49,910 rent amount far exceeds the money recorded on Biden’s taxes. Joe Biden’s 2017 tax return on Schedule E only listed $19,800 in “rents received.” In 2018, Biden listed no rent received.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/01/16/hunter-biden-49910-rent-matches-deposit-houseofsweden-cefc-china-energy/
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Get the leg irons ready!
“Hunter Biden’s $49,910 Rent Matches Rental Deposit at House of Sweden with CEFC China Energy”
Hunter Biden’s monthly rent of $49,910 matches a rental deposit at the House of Sweden related to the Biden family business venture with the infamous CEFC China Energy Co. Hunter’s $49,910 deposit also matches the amount of money he logged on a 2018 background check document unearthed by the New York Post’s Miranda Devine.
In an email on October 13, 2017, Cecilia Browning, the general manager of House of Sweden, an office complex in Washington, DC, emailed Hunter about a lease that Hunter and his Chinese business partners were trying to terminate, according to emails unearthed from Hunter’s “Laptop from Hell.”
Browning notes the amount of the deposit was $49,910 for the office space and that it would be returned to Hunter upon signing a lease termination document.
“If you are willing to terminate the lease of #507 – the owners are willing to let you out of the lease as of December 31, 2017,” Browning emailed Hunter. “Please note that there is a security deposit paid by you of $49,910 which will be returned within 15 days after the termination of the lease (after inspection of normal wear and tear).”
Hunter had apparently requested the termination of the lease after his deal with CEFC China Energy fell apart. The Biden family had previously negotiated a deal with CEFC whereby President Joe Biden (Big Guy) would receive a ten percent equity stake in the joint venture, whistleblower Tony Bobulinski stated.
“I do have good news – I spoke with the head office and they are willing to let you out of the lease as of December 31 this year,” Browning emailed Hunter a month later. “Just wanted to make sure that you received my email below, and also to ask you to confirm so that we can prepare the lease termination documents.”
Hunter appeared not to respond. Browning sent a third email to Hunter on December 14 requesting confirmation of the lease:
Hunter, we haven’t seen you for a while in the building and I wanted to make sure that you received my emails below – as you can see I now have the approval to terminate your lease as per our discussion in October (without any penalty) either December 31, 2017 or January 31, 2018 – whatever is more convenient for you. Please confirm so that we can start preparing the lease termination documents.
Hunter’s assistant Katie Dodge finally responded on January 22, 2018, to Browning. Dodge said Hunter did not want to terminate the lease. But a few days later, Dodge emailed Browning on January 30 and confirmed Hunter would like to terminate the lease:
Yes, we are confirming that Hunter would like to terminate the lease and exit the unit at the end of February (Feb 28) and that the security deposit will cover the remaining rent less. We will pay you the few thousand more for any damage. You can let me know what that amount will be.
Hunter’s $49,910 deposit matches the amount of money he logged on a 2018 background check document unearthed by the Post’s Miranda Devine. Hunter claimed on the form he paid $49,910 in monthly rent from March 2017 to February 2018. The document was signed in July 2018.
The lease dates on the email chain between Hunter and the House of Sweden have not been delineated.
The background check also noted that Hunter’s residence was Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, where the president kept classified documents alongside his Corvette in the garage.
The form additionally reveals Hunter checked a box showing he was an owner of a “Current Residence.” It’s not clear why Hunter noted he owned a location where he paid rent or why he listed his current address as Joe Biden’s residence with rent payments.
In 2018 Hunter Biden claimed he owned the house where Joe Biden kept classified documents alongside his Corvette in the garage Via @jj_talking pic.twitter.com/L7c80MRRiS
— Miranda Devine (@mirandadevine) January 12, 2023
The $49,910 rent amount far exceeds the money recorded on Biden’s taxes. Joe Biden’s 2017 tax return on Schedule E only listed $19,800 in “rents received.” In 2018, Biden listed no rent received.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/01/16/hunter-biden-49910-rent-matches-deposit-houseofsweden-cefc-china-energy/
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Get the leg irons ready!
Yep
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Wrong. Intent is not required.
it's spelled out quite clearly in the law: "with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location"
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
U.S. Code
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
(Added Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, § 808(a), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3453; amended Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, § 4002(d)(1)(C)(i), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809; Pub. L. 115–118, title II, § 202, Jan. 19, 2018, 132 Stat. 19.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924
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it's spelled out quite clearly in the law: "with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location"
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
U.S. Code
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
(Added Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, § 808(a), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3453; amended Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, § 4002(d)(1)(C)(i), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809; Pub. L. 115–118, title II, § 202, Jan. 19, 2018, 132 Stat. 19.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924
You are honestly comparing Cornell Law School to the Getbig School of Law? Sheep. 😉
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it's spelled out quite clearly in the law: "with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location"
18 U.S. Code § 1924 - Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
U.S. Code
(a)Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.
(b)For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).
(c)In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
(Added Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, § 808(a), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3453; amended Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, § 4002(d)(1)(C)(i), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809; Pub. L. 115–118, title II, § 202, Jan. 19, 2018, 132 Stat. 19.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924
Wrong again.
(f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
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Wrong again.
(f)Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
quoting a different part of the US code doesn't change or contradict the text of the law that I posted
I revised the bold section of the law that you posted
you failed to highlight the part of having knowledge that the docs were illegally removed AND "fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer"
So all either special counsel has to prove is willful intent, gross negligence and failure to turn over the documents
The verbiage of the US code that you posted in similar to verbiage in The Espionage Act which I had posted in another thread
Can you show me where Biden or his attorney's obstructed the return of the docs or filed false statements saying they had returned everything
Here are are a couple of pertinent sections of the Espionage Act
You could attempt to make an argument for "gross negligence" for Biden but negligence would require knowledge of the docs and at this point it hasn't been made public how the docs got to his office or home so time will tell on that one
The timeline of Trumps lies and obstruction in relation to the docs has already been laid out in prior posts
(d) whoever, lawfully or unlawfully having possession of, access to, control over, or being entrusted with any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defence, will fully communicates or transmits or attempts to communicate or transmit the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(e) whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blue print, plan, map, model, note, or information, relating to the national defence, through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be list, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by imprisonment for not more than two years, or both.
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https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/01/16/tax-cheat-joe-didnt-report-the-50000-month-in-rent-hunter-claimed-he-paid-n1662135
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https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2023/01/16/tax-cheat-joe-didnt-report-the-50000-month-in-rent-hunter-claimed-he-paid-n1662135
LibFAILS are going to ignore this like the plague
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-was-hunter-biden-paying-joe-50k-month-rent-house-where-classified-documents-found
https://twitter.com/TruthNinja316/status/1615008226977931265
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-was-hunter-biden-paying-joe-50k-month-rent-house-where-classified-documents-found
https://twitter.com/TruthNinja316/status/1615008226977931265
Strawman desperate to clear the good Biden name lol
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quoting a different part of the US code doesn't change or contradict the text of the law that I posted
I revised the bold section of the law that you posted
you failed to highlight the part of having knowledge that the docs were illegally removed AND "fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer"
So all either special counsel has to prove is willful intent, gross negligence and failure to turn over the documents
The verbiage of the US code that you posted in similar to verbiage in The Espionage Act which I had posted in another thread
Can you show me where Biden or his attorney's obstructed the return of the docs or filed false statements saying they had returned everything
Here are are a couple of pertinent sections of the Espionage Act
You could attempt to make an argument for "gross negligence" for Biden but negligence would require knowledge of the docs and at this point it hasn't been made public how the docs got to his office or home so time will tell on that one
The timeline of Trumps lies and obstruction in relation to the docs has already been laid out in prior posts
Wrong yet again.
1. You said intent was required. I provided the statute reference for mishandling classified documents showing only gross negligence is required. So you saying intent is required is wrong (like I said).
2. You are misreading the statute I quoted. Section (f) has two parts. The first part (1) only requires gross negligence. The second part (2) requires knowledge of removal and failure to promptly report.
3. The news reports provide pretty clear evidence of gross negligence, including Biden storing classified documents in his garage, owned by his crackhead son, for years. And he had classified documents in multiple locations. Anyone not named Biden would be in jail for this.
But the standard has already been set by letting Hillary Clinton get away with one of the most egregious violations ever. Nothing is going to happen.
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Wrong yet again.
1. You said intent was required. I provided the statute reference for mishandling classified documents showing only gross negligence is required. So you saying intent is required is wrong (like I said).
2. You are misreading the statute I quoted. Section (f) has two parts. The first part (1) only requires gross negligence. The second part (2) requires knowledge of removal and failure to promptly report.
3. The news reports provide pretty clear evidence of gross negligence, including Biden storing classified documents in his garage, owned by his crackhead son, for years. And he had classified documents in multiple locations. Anyone not named Biden would be in jail for this.
But the standard has already been set by letting Hillary Clinton get away with one of the most egregious violations ever. Nothing is going to happen.
Read it again
It lists a number of things spaced by OR and then says AND fails to deliver
So knowledge of the existence of the docs AND failure to deliver is when someone gets in trouble
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
BTW one of those things listed is "having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody"
This applies to both circumstances. The special counsel needs to prove: knowledge, intent AND fails to make prompt report
In Bidens case they found the docs when cleaning out an office and immediately notified the national archives and then they began to search all offices/residences specifically for more documents
In order to even begin to attempt to prove gross negligence both Special Counsels need to prove that Biden/Trump had knowledge of the documents.
Again, there might be a case of gross negligence with Biden (and if so then certainly with Trump) but there is no intent with Biden and he did exactly what you're supposed to do when these types of docs are discovered.
That pretty much where the similarities end....so far
Regarding Hilary - Comey said that that Clinton and her team were “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information” but he said there was no clear evidence they intended to violate the law.
Again it comes back to intent
Also, later he said that he shouldn't have used the term "extremely careless" which he chose rather than "gross negligence" because he thought it was easier to understand. So Comey basically said she was grossly negligent but he didn't advice to prosecute. He later said the shouldn't even have used 'extremely careless" It all comes back to intent
In the statement he delivered on July 5, 2016, he described her email practices as “extremely careless.” He initially considered using “gross negligence,” but told Stephanopoulos that was a “lawyer term.”
“My staff convinced me that that's just gonna confuse all kinds of people, if you start talking about statutes and what the words mean,” he said. “What's a colloquial way to explain it? And elsewhere in my statement I had said ‘extremely careless.’ And so they said, ‘Just use that.’ And so that's what I went with.”
He said that he would not use the words “extreme carelessness” if he were to do it again.
“I don't know what it would be, sitting here. [I'd] find some other way to convey, 'cause I wanted to be honest and transparent. This wasn't your ordinary bureaucrat who just mishandles one document. This was something more than that. But not something that anybody would prosecute,” Comey said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comey-admits-mistakes-describing-clintons-sloppy-handling-classified/story?id=54487996
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Hi Straw.
Biden had them in a Box next to his car in the garage for YEARS. He goes to the house all the time and drives that old jalopy frequently.
Either his Dementia is so bad he doesnt remember anything or he has KNOWN the docs have been there for years. Pick one.
Read it again
It lists a number of things spaced by OR and then says AND fails to deliver
So knowledge of the existence of the docs AND failure to deliver is when someone gets in trouble
BTW one of those things listed is "having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody"
This applies to both circumstances. The special counsel needs to prove: knowledge, intent AND fails to make prompt report
In Bidens case they found the docs when cleaning out an office and immediately notified the national archives and then they began to search all offices/residences specifically for more documents
In order to even begin to attempt to prove gross negligence both Special Counsels need to prove that Biden/Trump had knowledge of the documents.
Again, there might be a case of gross negligence with Biden (and if so then certainly with Trump) but there is no intent with Biden and he did exactly what you're supposed to do when these types of docs are discovered.
That pretty much where the similarities end....so far
Regarding Hilary - Comey said that that Clinton and her team were “extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information” but he said there was no clear evidence they intended to violate the law.
Again it comes back to intent
Also, later he said that he shouldn't have used the term "extremely careless" which he chose rather than "gross negligence" because he thought it was easier to understand. So Comey basically said she was grossly negligent but he didn't advice to prosecute. It all comes back to intent
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comey-admits-mistakes-describing-clintons-sloppy-handling-classified/story?id=54487996
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Hi Straw.
Biden had them in a Box next to his car in the garage for YEARS. He goes to the house all the time and drives that old jalopy frequently.
Either his Dementia is so bad he doesnt remember anything or he has KNOWN the docs have been there for years. Pick one.
Wait. Is that the Village Idiot? I cannot believe I engaged her. I need to take a shower. lol
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Wait. Is that the Village Idiot? I cannot believe I engaged her. I need to take a shower. lol
I don't know who that is but if you're all out of arguments I understand
I'm not making excuses for Biden. What he did looks stupid but from what has been reported so far I don't see a prosecutable crime.
There is a Special Counsel (and he's a Republican as is the custom) so maybe we'll find out that it rises to the level of a crime
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“Biden Tax Returns Disappear From Campaign Website for Years Hunter Claimed He Lived at Joe’s Delaware Home”
Tucker Carlson reported Monday night that tax returns for the years 2016-2018 have disappeared from Joe Biden’s campaign website’s financial disclosure page at Joe Biden.com .
Those years cover the same timeframe that first son Hunter claimed on a background check report to allegedly have paid nearly $50,000 per month rent to stay at father Joe’s Wilmington, Delaware home where illicit classified documents were found in December 2022 and last week. (Note added at end to reflect headline edit: Rent claim is in question)
The link for Biden’s tax returns for 2019 for federal, Delaware and Virginia is still active. All the others redirect to a Democrat donation page.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris proudly displayed their tax filings on the JoeBiden.com webpage.
Links to their tax filings were posted on the joebiden.com financial disclosure webpage in July 2019.
The original list of tax filings included filings from 2016, 2017, and 2018:
Open link for the documents, links and rest of the article
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/cover-biden-tax-returns-disappear-campaign-website-years-hunter-claimed-paid-50k-per-month-rent-joe/
Oops! It appears that Joe read your post and put the missing 2016-2018 tax returns back on his webpage.
Is it possible Tucker Carlson and Gateway Pundit couldn't figure out how to access them? Maybe they should fire their investigative teams.
https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/#
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2016-Federal.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2016-DE.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2017-Federal.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2017-DE.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2018-Federal.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2018-DE.pdf
And for good measure here are his 2019 federal returns:
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2019-Biden-Delaware-Virginia-Federal-3.pdf
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Doesn't matter. Joe was the VP, not the president. He knew it was illegal to keep classified documents, but he did it anyway. He kept them for six years in a very insecure location. After the classified documents were found, the WH delayed disclosing that fact, and lied about the number of pages found.
Please explain why Joe being VP and not the President has any bearing on the retention of classified government documents. Keep in mind that once Joe Biden became president on January 20th, Trump became an ordinary citizen. Also consider that it is likely Joe Biden removed these documents when Obama was President. So, if he needed the Presidents authority to move them Obama would have been who gave it to Joe.
If your interested in some of the legal jargon that pertains to this situation read on.
Editorial Notes AMENDMENTS 1994—Pub. L. 103–322 substituted ‘‘fined under this title’’ for ‘‘fined not more than $2,000’’. § 1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material (a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both. (b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a). (c) In this section, the term ‘‘classified information of the United States’’ means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security. (Added Pub. L. 103–359, title VIII, §808(a), Oct. 14, 1994, 108 Stat. 3453; amended Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, §4002(d)(1)(C)(i), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809; Pub. L. 115–118, title II, §202, Jan. 19, 2018, 132 Stat. 19.)
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2021-title18/html/USCODE-2021-title18-partI-chap93-sec1924.htm
Any former president, vice president and a few others, by law, have access to all and any classified information in perpetuity by the nature of the position they held. But no one may remove classified information without proper authorization, including the president.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/classified-materials-handled-analysis/story?id=96416984
These are Security Classification 101 procedures, but none of them were material to Trump while he was still the president. He held ultimate authority over classification issues until noon on January 20, 2021. When Joe Biden became the President, however, Trump became just another private citizen who was obligated by federal law not to willingly remove classified records from a secure location and place them in an unsecured basement at Mar-a-Lago. When he took the records from the White House, shipped them to Florida, and stored them at Mar-a-Lago, he arguably ran afoul of Section 1924.
https://www.justsecurity.org/82619/expert-explainer-criminal-statutes-that-could-apply-to-trumps-retention-of-government-documents/
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While Biddy Jo is getting all the attention for late return of library books has anybody noticed that Don is being
de-sanitised by Ron ?
Because with still 2 years to go no one cares
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Oops! It appears that Joe read your post and put the missing 2016-2018 tax returns back on his webpage.
Is it possible Tucker Carlson and Gateway Pundit couldn't figure out how to access them? Maybe they should fire their investigative teams.
https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/#
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2016-Federal.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2016-DE.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2017-Federal.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2017-DE.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2018-Federal.pdf
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Biden-2018-DE.pdf
And for good measure here are his 2019 federal returns:
https://joebiden.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2019-Biden-Delaware-Virginia-Federal-3.pdf
Get in touch with them and tell them they’re wrong..lol
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Update: At some point on Tuesday afternoon, the missing files were restored to Biden’s website. These files were only uploaded on Tuesday, as one can see by hovering over the links where the files are located.
Original story:
In the wake of accusations that Joe Biden may have failed to report thousands of dollars in rental income on his taxes, it has been discovered that Joe Biden’s campaign surreptitiously removed some of his tax returns from its website.
As PJ Media previously reported, Hunter Biden claimed on a background check form to have paid his dad $49,910 a month in rent — a suspiciously high figure given the value of the home — while he was living at Joe’s Wilmington, Del., home from March 2017 to February 2018 following his divorce — the same house where Biden stashed classified documents in his garage next to his prized Corvette.
However, according to the Schedule E portion of his 2017 tax forms, Joe Biden reported $19,800 in “rents received” and none in 2018. This discrepancy could mean that Joe Biden failed to report more than half a million in income on his taxes.
Related: Charges Against Hunter Biden Could Be Imminent
Curiously, those documents are no longer available on his campaign website — while it appears that his tax returns are still posted to the website for public viewing, most of the files previously made available to the public have been removed. Instead, when you click on most of the links, the website immediately redirects the user to a donation page.
It is not clear when the files were removed or why. But Joe Biden made transparency a key issue of his campaign and presidency, never missing the opportunity to contrast his disclosing of his tax returns with Trump’s refusal to do so. The missing tax returns certainly raise significant questions. Most importantly, is this related to Hunter Biden? Let’s not forget that Hunter Biden has been under federal investigation for tax fraud, among other things. Did Hunter Biden report over half a million in rental payments to his father, but his father did not report that income? Or, if Hunter Biden’s rent claim was filed in error, as some are postulating, were the elder Biden’s tax documents removed
because of the investigation?
Open the link for the rest of the article
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/01/17/joe-biden-removed-tax-returns-from-website-and-we-have-questions-n1662417
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Get in touch with them and tell them they’re wrong..lol
Why bother? Come to think of it, why bother explaining anything to you because you are too far gone down that rabbit hole to remember how to distinguish reality from fantasy.
Those are links to Biden's tax returns covering the very time that some idiots including you, said had been removed. I easily found them and posted them today within a couple of minutes. Maybe when Biden read that someone named Coach had posted on Getbig that they'd been taken down, he put them back up just to make a fool out of you and Tucker.
Have at it with your inane LOL's... at the rate you are going, you will soon be locked up in the looney bin.
Websites are updated constantly. It was reported the tax returns were down on 1/16/2023 and low and behold, they reappeared the very next day. OMG! This is absolute evidence of a huge coverup.
Read this from the same article you cut and pasted from:
"It is not clear when the files were removed or why."
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Why bother? Come to think of it, why bother explaining anything to you because you are too far gone down that rabbit hole to remember how to distinguish reality from fantasy.
Those are links to Biden's tax returns covering the very time that some idiots including you, said had been removed. I easily found them and posted them today within a couple of minutes. Maybe when Biden read that someone named Coach had posted on Getbig that they'd been taken down, he put them back up just to make a fool out of you and Tucker.
Have at it with your inane LOL's... at the rate you are going, you'll be soon be locked up in the looney bin.
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Why bother? Come to think of it, why bother explaining anything to you because you are too far gone down that rabbit hole to remember how to distinguish reality from fantasy.
Those are links to Biden's tax returns covering the very time that some idiots including you, said had been removed. I easily found them and posted them today within a couple of minutes. Maybe when Biden read that someone named Coach had posted on Getbig that they'd been taken down, he put them back up just to make a fool out of you and Tucker.
Have at it with your inane LOL's... at the rate you are going, you will soon be locked up in the looney bin.
Websites are updated constantly. It was reported the tax returns were down on 1/16/2023 and low and behold, they reappeared the very next day. OMG! This is absolute evidence of a huge coverup.
Read this from the same article you cut and pasted from:
"It is not clear when the files were removed or why."
This. This is all that needs to be said on any of Qoach's posts. And when you explain to him you aren't going to waste time doing so, he doesn't understand that either.
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This. This is all that needs to be said on any of Qoach's posts. And when you explain to him you aren't going to waste time doing so, he doesn't understand that either.
Biden smirks and LAUGHS at reporters while again refusing to answer questions on classified files - as shocking report reveals Department of Justice made deal to keep FBI agents AWAY from search
Daily Mail UK ^ | 17 January 2023 | By EMILY GOODIN, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER
Posted on 1/18/2023, 12:38:12 PM by Red Badger
Grinning Biden refused to answer questions from reporters in the Oval Office
Reporters shouted questions on the documents - but he just sat and smiled
And new report found DoJ cut a deal with Biden team to keep FBI out
Justice agreed to let Biden's team search solo
White House is under intense scrutiny for their response to the files scandal
It took them two months from the first discovery to acknowledge them
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President Joe Biden smiled and laughed Tuesday as he ignored a barrage of questions about the classified documents scandal that has engulfed his administration while a shocking new report detailed a deal made by the Justice Department to keep the FBI away from the search.
The grinning Biden stayed silent at the end of his meeting with Netherlands' Prime Minister Mark Rutte - while the media asked about the sensitive files found at his D.C. think tank and garage at his Wilmington home.
Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal revealed on Tuesday that the Justice Department considered having FBI agents monitor Biden's personal attorneys as they searched his Wilmington and Rehoboth homes but decided against it, deciding Biden's lawyers were cooperating with them.
Biden's legal team, after the discovery of the first tranche of documents at his D.C. think tank, talked with the DoJ about having FBI agents present while Biden's lawyers conducted the additional searches.
Ultimately the two sides cut a deal where only Biden's attorneys would do the search and immediately report any findings. They did find more documents - in the garage and 'personal library' of the president's Wilmington home.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
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Biden smirks and LAUGHS at reporters while again refusing to answer questions on classified files - as shocking report reveals Department of Justice made deal to keep FBI agents AWAY from search
Daily Mail UK ^ | 17 January 2023 | By EMILY GOODIN, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER
Posted on 1/18/2023, 12:38:12 PM by Red Badger
Grinning Biden refused to answer questions from reporters in the Oval Office
Reporters shouted questions on the documents - but he just sat and smiled
And new report found DoJ cut a deal with Biden team to keep FBI out
Justice agreed to let Biden's team search solo
White House is under intense scrutiny for their response to the files scandal
It took them two months from the first discovery to acknowledge them
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President Joe Biden smiled and laughed Tuesday as he ignored a barrage of questions about the classified documents scandal that has engulfed his administration while a shocking new report detailed a deal made by the Justice Department to keep the FBI away from the search.
The grinning Biden stayed silent at the end of his meeting with Netherlands' Prime Minister Mark Rutte - while the media asked about the sensitive files found at his D.C. think tank and garage at his Wilmington home.
Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal revealed on Tuesday that the Justice Department considered having FBI agents monitor Biden's personal attorneys as they searched his Wilmington and Rehoboth homes but decided against it, deciding Biden's lawyers were cooperating with them.
Biden's legal team, after the discovery of the first tranche of documents at his D.C. think tank, talked with the DoJ about having FBI agents present while Biden's lawyers conducted the additional searches.
Ultimately the two sides cut a deal where only Biden's attorneys would do the search and immediately report any findings. They did find more documents - in the garage and 'personal library' of the president's Wilmington home.
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And? What should he do? Throw ketchup on the walls? Claim the FBI planted them? Say he declassified them with his mind?
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This. This is all that needs to be said on any of Qoach's posts. And when you explain to him you aren't going to waste time doing so, he doesn't understand that either.
You know what to do, get Prime in on this as well. Let’s go
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Is this the same 49k that just yesterday you said was paid to Joe Biden and that he failed to report on his taxes?
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Interesting thread
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1614702149388099591?s=46&t=8PrVVvC8Aw-adq7Y9ST7MA
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Drug-addled Hunter Biden lived at Delaware home where classified docs were kept
https://nypost.com/2023/01/13/hunter-biden-lived-at-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-were-kept/
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Interesting thread
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1614702149388099591?s=46&t=8PrVVvC8Aw-adq7Y9ST7MA
Question Coach, do you have a life besides this one on Getbig? Or did you completely retire from reality so you could spend more time posting your nonsense here? Another question I have, how did you get internet service down in the rabbit hole where your mind lives.
What did Coach say when he fell down the rabbit hole?
Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end! `I wonder how many miles I've fallen by this time?' Coach said aloud. `I must be getting somewhere near the center of the earth.
The definition of a rabbit hole:
A complicated or difficult situation, especially one that is difficult to get out of: Coach once went down the political rabbit hole and could never climb out... lost forever.
Are you this sad clown?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/g3IAAOSwyvJh10nb/s-l1600.jpg)
Or, are you this angry dude with the revolver?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VJ8AAOSwM4di0WCw/s-l500.jpg)
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Question Coach, do you have a life besides this one on Getbig? Or did you completely retire from reality so you could spend more time posting your nonsense here? Another question I have, how did you get internet service down in the rabbit hole where your mind lives.
What did Coach say when he fell down the rabbit hole?
Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end! `I wonder how many miles I've fallen by this time?' Coach said aloud. `I must be getting somewhere near the center of the earth.
The definition of a rabbit hole:
A complicated or difficult situation, especially one that is difficult to get out of: Coach once went down the political rabbit hole and could never climb out... lost forever.
Are you this sad clown?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/g3IAAOSwyvJh10nb/s-l1600.jpg)
Or, are you this angry dude with the revolver?
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/VJ8AAOSwM4di0WCw/s-l500.jpg)
Im on here about 5-10min a day if that. But if that’s all you have, try harder
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You know what to do, get Prime in on this as well. Let’s go
The reply you just quoted from me is all the answer you need. Yet you apparently can't even understand that.
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Im on here about 5-10min a day if that. But if that’s all you have, try harder
That is a lie.
And that is not even taking into account the other shit sites you troll endlessly and the social media crap you dig up and run back here to regurgitate.
The internet is your life. It is as vital as oxygen to your existence.
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The reply you just quoted from me is all the answer you need. Yet you apparently can't even understand that.
Skating again for like 1000th time..keep running
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That is a lie.
And that is not even taking into account the other shit sites you troll endlessly and the social media crap you dig up and run back here to regurgitate.
The internet is your life. It is as vital as oxygen to your existence.
says the loser in life - getbig is your life and we are your only friends....
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Skating again for like 1000th time..keep running
Lying again for the Nth time.
Quote from: Primemuscle on January 18, 2023, 12:40:22 AM
Why bother? Come to think of it, why bother explaining anything to you because you are too far gone down that rabbit hole to remember how to distinguish reality from fantasy.
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That is a lie.
And that is not even taking into account the other shit sites you troll endlessly and the social media crap you dig up and run back here to regurgitate.
The internet is your life. It is as vital as oxygen to your existence.
Sorry bud, the fact I have businesses to run, house in the middle of a remodel and things to do doesn’t allow that. But I do notice that whenever I post you’re right there
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Sorry bud, the fact I have businesses to run, house in the middle of a remodel and things to do doesn’t allow that. But I do notice that whenever I post you’re right there
Almost 56K posts of yours says otherwise.
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Almost 56K posts of yours says otherwise.
Since 2008. Moron
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Im on here about 5-10min a day if that. But if that’s all you have, try harder
This is an amazing feat Coach. You must keyboard even faster than Matt. ;) According to your stats, your average number of posts per day is 11.4. which means if you are on Getbig for 10 minutes you post slightly less than 1 post a minute. If your time spent on Getbig is 5 minutes, you would have spent slightly less than 30 seconds to get to 11 posts a day. This is impressive if correct.
Do you keep the links you post in your head, or do you have to find them? I imagine it takes some additional time reading/researching your sources. This helps explain why you often only post the headline and seem not to have read the article. Perhaps you are one of those lucky people who has a photographic memory. ;D
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"Biden’s silence while cooperating with investigators did not forestall the appointment of a special counsel, as his aides had hoped, but still resulted in a public uproar once it became clear that the White House had hidden the situation from the public for more than two months.
In the meantime, though, the strategy has left Biden open to withering criticism for concealing the discovery for so long. And now, after a productive year that had seemed to leave the president in a strong position to announce a reelection campaign, the handling of the documents case has eroded his capacity to claim the high road against Trump, while also raising questions about his team’s ability to navigate Republican attacks from Capitol Hill.
The White House has refused to explain why it took nearly six weeks after the initial discovery of documents to search the president’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, where a second batch was found on Dec. 20. And it has not said why personal lawyers for the president who do not have security clearances were the ones conducting the searches"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/68-days-silence-why-white-130828198.html
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“White House, DOJ Agreed to Hide Classified Document Scandal”
The White House and Justice Department (DOJ) reportedly agreed to hide President Joe Biden’s classified document scandal from the American people until it leaked to the press, despite their repeated claims of transparency.
Not only did the White House and DOJ try to obscure the scandal from public view, but they also refused to divulge that the second trove of classified documents were already unearthed at Biden’s home in Wilmington when CBS News first contacted the White House about the initial leak of classified documents apparently illegally stored at the Biden Penn Center, according to the Washington Post: “Early on, Biden’s attorneys and Justice Department investigators both thought they had a shared understanding about keeping the matter quiet,” the Post admitted, noting the Biden administration’s attempt to conceal revelations of the second trove of stashed documents.
“CBS News was the first news organization to learn of the matter, contacting the White House on Jan. 6 to ask about the Penn Biden Center documents,” the report continued. “White House officials confirmed the scoop, but since the investigation was ongoing, they decided not to offer any additional details — including the critical information that a second batch of documents had been discovered at Biden’s home.”
That the Biden administration tried to conceal the scandal contradicts their claims of transparency.
“There was transparency in doing what you’re supposed to do when these items were discovered,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre falsely claimed on January 12.
Since the Justice Department appointed a special prosecutor, the White House has provided little transparency. “I’m just going to continue to be prudent here. I’m going to let this ongoing review that is happening — this legal process that is happening — let that process continue under the special counsel. We’re not — I’m not — going to comment from here,” Jean-Pierre said Tuesday.
“Look, guys, you guys can ask me this 100 times, 200 times, if you wish. I’m going to keep saying the same thing,” she added. “I hear your question. It’s been asked. It’s been answered. It’s been noted.”
Critics have questioned why Biden’s personal attorneys were initially searching for Biden’s illegally stashed documents. The White House has failed to provide the initial reason or cause for the search.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/19/report-white-house-doj-agreed-hide-classified-document-scandal/
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Yup. This is all a sideshow.
“White House, DOJ Agreed to Hide Classified Document Scandal”
The White House and Justice Department (DOJ) reportedly agreed to hide President Joe Biden’s classified document scandal from the American people until it leaked to the press, despite their repeated claims of transparency.
Not only did the White House and DOJ try to obscure the scandal from public view, but they also refused to divulge that the second trove of classified documents were already unearthed at Biden’s home in Wilmington when CBS News first contacted the White House about the initial leak of classified documents apparently illegally stored at the Biden Penn Center, according to the Washington Post: “Early on, Biden’s attorneys and Justice Department investigators both thought they had a shared understanding about keeping the matter quiet,” the Post admitted, noting the Biden administration’s attempt to conceal revelations of the second trove of stashed documents.
“CBS News was the first news organization to learn of the matter, contacting the White House on Jan. 6 to ask about the Penn Biden Center documents,” the report continued. “White House officials confirmed the scoop, but since the investigation was ongoing, they decided not to offer any additional details — including the critical information that a second batch of documents had been discovered at Biden’s home.”
That the Biden administration tried to conceal the scandal contradicts their claims of transparency.
“There was transparency in doing what you’re supposed to do when these items were discovered,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre falsely claimed on January 12.
Since the Justice Department appointed a special prosecutor, the White House has provided little transparency. “I’m just going to continue to be prudent here. I’m going to let this ongoing review that is happening — this legal process that is happening — let that process continue under the special counsel. We’re not — I’m not — going to comment from here,” Jean-Pierre said Tuesday.
“Look, guys, you guys can ask me this 100 times, 200 times, if you wish. I’m going to keep saying the same thing,” she added. “I hear your question. It’s been asked. It’s been answered. It’s been noted.”
Critics have questioned why Biden’s personal attorneys were initially searching for Biden’s illegally stashed documents. The White House has failed to provide the initial reason or cause for the search.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/19/report-white-house-doj-agreed-hide-classified-document-scandal/
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Since 2008. Moron
That is just on here. Not counting the FB, IG, all the other sites you haunt with your delusional hopes of finding something to drag back here.
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That is just on here. Not counting the FB, IG, all the other sites you haunt with your delusional hopes of finding something to drag back here.
Oh, you mean where I do a lot of my business? Go away, troll lol
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Oh, you mean where I do a lot of my business? Go away, troll lol
Your CT business? Because that is all we see you dragging back over here.
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I'll bet you a dollar Merrick Garland tells them to go pound sand
As predicted
DOJ tells Jordan to fuck off
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-tells-house-gop-share-info-ongoing-criminal/story?id=96572649
It's going to be fun watching people simply ignore congressional subpoena's
Why wouldn't they when Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Scott Perry and Andy Biggs all ignored subpoena's
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As predicted
DOJ tells Jordan to fuck off
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-tells-house-gop-share-info-ongoing-criminal/story?id=96572649
It's going to be fun watching people simply ignore congressional subpoena's
Why wouldn't they when Jim Jordan, Kevin McCarthy, Scott Perry and Andy Biggs all ignored subpoena's
Don't worry, the peanut gallery here will be front and center whining about how bad and "unconstitutional" it is. :D
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“White House, DOJ Agreed to Hide Classified Document Scandal”
The White House and Justice Department (DOJ) reportedly agreed to hide President Joe Biden’s classified document scandal from the American people until it leaked to the press, despite their repeated claims of transparency.
Not only did the White House and DOJ try to obscure the scandal from public view, but they also refused to divulge that the second trove of classified documents were already unearthed at Biden’s home in Wilmington when CBS News first contacted the White House about the initial leak of classified documents apparently illegally stored at the Biden Penn Center, according to the Washington Post: “Early on, Biden’s attorneys and Justice Department investigators both thought they had a shared understanding about keeping the matter quiet,” the Post admitted, noting the Biden administration’s attempt to conceal revelations of the second trove of stashed documents.
“CBS News was the first news organization to learn of the matter, contacting the White House on Jan. 6 to ask about the Penn Biden Center documents,” the report continued. “White House officials confirmed the scoop, but since the investigation was ongoing, they decided not to offer any additional details — including the critical information that a second batch of documents had been discovered at Biden’s home.”
That the Biden administration tried to conceal the scandal contradicts their claims of transparency.
“There was transparency in doing what you’re supposed to do when these items were discovered,” White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre falsely claimed on January 12.
Since the Justice Department appointed a special prosecutor, the White House has provided little transparency. “I’m just going to continue to be prudent here. I’m going to let this ongoing review that is happening — this legal process that is happening — let that process continue under the special counsel. We’re not — I’m not — going to comment from here,” Jean-Pierre said Tuesday.
“Look, guys, you guys can ask me this 100 times, 200 times, if you wish. I’m going to keep saying the same thing,” she added. “I hear your question. It’s been asked. It’s been answered. It’s been noted.”
Critics have questioned why Biden’s personal attorneys were initially searching for Biden’s illegally stashed documents. The White House has failed to provide the initial reason or cause for the search.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/19/report-white-house-doj-agreed-hide-classified-document-scandal/
Golly gee, this is major news which is life changing. Thanks for the update, Coach. Keep up the good work. ::)
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Boom.
NYT reporting even more found today.
Get the keg irons ready.
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DOJ searched Biden home, found classified documents
Sat, January 21, 2023 at 7:05 PM EST
The Justice Department has searched President Joe Biden’s home in Delaware and located six documents containing classification markings and also took possession of some of his notes, the president’s lawyer said Saturday.
Bob Bauer, a lawyer for the president, said the Justice Department conducted the search at Biden’s Wilmington residence on Friday. He said it lasted about 13 hours.
The Justice Department “took possession of materials it deemed within the scope of its inquiry, including six items consisting of documents with classification markings and surrounding materials, some of which were from the President’s service in the Senate and some of which were from his tenure as Vice President,” Bauer said in a statement.
The prosecutors also “took for further review personally handwritten notes from the vice-presidential years,” he said.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-doj-searched-biden-home-000519261.html
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Still no raid
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-seizes-more-classified-docs-bidens-wilmington-home-12-hour-search
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Boom.
NYT reporting even more found today.
Get the keg irons ready.
Yeah, your predictions for the "keg" irons really played out with Obama and Hillary right?
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Yeah, your predictions for the "keg" irons really played out with Obama and Hillary right?
Obama is married to the biggest leg irons on them all. Big Ole Mooch. ;D
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FBI searched Biden home, found documents marked classified
Associated Press via Currently ^ | January 22, 2023 | Zeke Miller & Michael Balsamo
Posted on 1/21/2023, 8:10:54 PM by John W
The FBI searched President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Friday and located six additional documents containing classification markings and also took possession of some of his notes, the president’s lawyer said Saturday.
Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer, said the search of the entire premises lasted nearly 13 hours. The apparently classified documents spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president. The level of classification, and whether they remained classified, was not immediately clear as the Justice Department reviews the records.
The search followed more than a week after Biden’s attorneys found six other classified documents in the president’s home library from his time as vice president, and nearly three months after lawyers found a small number of classified records at his former offices at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. It came a day after Biden maintained that “there’s no there there" on the document discoveries, which have become a political headache for the president and complicated the Justice Department's probe into former President Donald Trump's retention of classified documents and official records after he left office.
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FBI searched Biden home, found documents marked classified
Associated Press via Currently ^ | January 22, 2023 | Zeke Miller & Michael Balsamo
Posted on 1/21/2023, 8:10:54 PM by John W
The FBI searched President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Friday and located six additional documents containing classification markings and also took possession of some of his notes, the president’s lawyer said Saturday.
Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer, said the search of the entire premises lasted nearly 13 hours. The apparently classified documents spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president. The level of classification, and whether they remained classified, was not immediately clear as the Justice Department reviews the records.
The search followed more than a week after Biden’s attorneys found six other classified documents in the president’s home library from his time as vice president, and nearly three months after lawyers found a small number of classified records at his former offices at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. It came a day after Biden maintained that “there’s no there there" on the document discoveries, which have become a political headache for the president and complicated the Justice Department's probe into former President Donald Trump's retention of classified documents and official records after he left office.
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FBI searched Biden home, found documents marked classified
Associated Press via Currently ^ | January 22, 2023 | Zeke Miller & Michael Balsamo
Posted on 1/21/2023, 8:10:54 PM by John W
The FBI searched President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware on Friday and located six additional documents containing classification markings and also took possession of some of his notes, the president’s lawyer said Saturday.
Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer, said the search of the entire premises lasted nearly 13 hours. The apparently classified documents spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president. The level of classification, and whether they remained classified, was not immediately clear as the Justice Department reviews the records.
The search followed more than a week after Biden’s attorneys found six other classified documents in the president’s home library from his time as vice president, and nearly three months after lawyers found a small number of classified records at his former offices at the Penn Biden Center in Washington. It came a day after Biden maintained that “there’s no there there" on the document discoveries, which have become a political headache for the president and complicated the Justice Department's probe into former President Donald Trump's retention of classified documents and official records after he left office.
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It is not clear what you mean by 0 comments. Do you mean no one on Getbig is commenting or that you have no additional comments to this excerpt?
If you mean you have nothing to add, this makes sense because the part of the last line in this excerpt where it reads, "...the document discoveries, which have become a political headache for the president and complicated the Justice Department's probe into former President Donald Trump's retention of classified documents and official records after he left office" says it all.
If you want comments from the peanut gallery, these are my current thoughts on this; There is no doubt they are a political headache. Whoever advised Biden to keep mum about the documents previously discovered gave him bad advice. Furthermore, as soon as the documents were discovered in his home and the garage, he should have insisted on a thorough search of his property, which he obviously couldn't do himself as it would add suspicion of foul play. Although, since he is President, he has a security clearance at a level which would allow him to handle classified documents. It would have been better for the whole mess to have come out at one time rather that trickle out allowing the media a new news story each time more documents were found.
I posted this a couple of times already. Neither Biden nor Trump should have had classified documents in their personal possession at a time when neither of them was in office. It is clear that the handling and security of government classified documents needs to be seriously tightened.
My one other thought has to do with the FBI taking Biden's personal notes which I cannot imagine were classified. But then, the FBI took more than classified government documents from Mar-a-Lago according to the media and Trump. At least they are being consistent.
Note: For those of you who claim all I ever do is cut and paste, none of what I posted here besides the one quoted partial sentence was even remotely cut and pasted. So there!
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Obama is married to the biggest leg irons on them all. Big Ole Mooch. ;D
I think your predictions now will pan out like the ones in the past did.
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So President Biden had classified documents dating back to his days as a senator. An average "Joe" would absolutely be in prison for this.
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So President Biden had classified documents dating back to his days as a senator. An average "Joe" would absolutely be in prison for this.
Excatly.
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So President Biden had classified documents dating back to his days as a senator. An average "Joe" would absolutely be in prison for this.
An average "Joe" wouldn't have legal access to these documents under any circumstances.
§ 1312.23 Access to classified information.
Classified information may be made available to a person only when the possessor of the information establishes that the person has a valid “need to know” and the access is essential to the accomplishment of official government duties. The proposed recipient is eligible to receive classified information only after he/she has been granted a security clearance by the EOP Security Officer. Cover sheets will be used to protect classified documents from inadvertent disclosure while in use. An SF-703 will be used for Top Secret material; an SF-704 for Secret material, and an SF-705 for Confidential material. The cover sheet should be removed prior to placing the document in the files.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-5/chapter-III/subchapter-B/part-1312/subpart-B/section-1312.23
There are three levels of security clearance: confidential, secret, and top secret. Where a document falls within these levels determines how that can be handled. Before it can be determined whether a person had the right to remove said documents from the secured location, i.e. take them home, depends not only on the level of security clearance of the documents but also an individual's security clearance. The 'average Joe' has no, nada, security clearance whatsoever and therefore no legal right to possession of or even the ability to view these documents.
So what is your point?
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An average "Joe" wouldn't have legal access to these documents under any circumstances.
§ 1312.23 Access to classified information.
Classified information may be made available to a person only when the possessor of the information establishes that the person has a valid “need to know” and the access is essential to the accomplishment of official government duties. The proposed recipient is eligible to receive classified information only after he/she has been granted a security clearance by the EOP Security Officer. Cover sheets will be used to protect classified documents from inadvertent disclosure while in use. An SF-703 will be used for Top Secret material; an SF-704 for Secret material, and an SF-705 for Confidential material. The cover sheet should be removed prior to placing the document in the files.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-5/chapter-III/subchapter-B/part-1312/subpart-B/section-1312.23
You know what I mean. An average Joe with a security clearance.
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Nine boxes of Biden documents were taken from Boston office
The archives had not previously publicly disclosed the number of boxes taken from Boston
By Kelly Laco | Fox NewsPublished March 8, 2023
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/9-boxes-biden-docs-taken-from-boston-office-content-not-yet-been-reviewed-national-archives
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Notice how there have been no leaks. Leftists really protect their own.
Biden interviewed by the special counsel in his classified documents investigation
A White House spokesman said the voluntary interview was conducted over two days.
Oct. 9, 2023
By Zoë Richards and Molly Roecker
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-interviewed-special-counsel-classified-documents-investigation-rcna119618
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Notice how there have been no leaks. Leftists really protect their own.
Biden interviewed by the special counsel in his classified documents investigation
A White House spokesman said the voluntary interview was conducted over two days.
Oct. 9, 2023
By Zoë Richards and Molly Roecker
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-interviewed-special-counsel-classified-documents-investigation-rcna119618
I would love to watch him try to answer questions.
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Shitters kid had drug and sex parties in the house, where these Doc's were lying around in the garage, un-secured...
The Bidens, biggest embarrassment in US history...
Rapists, perverts, corrupt, traitors, drug addicts, etc...
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Shitters kid had drug and sex parties in the house, where these Doc's were lying around in the garage, un-secured...
The Bidens, biggest embarrassment in US history...
Rapists, perverts, corrupt, traitors, drug addicts, etc...
Yep - None of that matters to his devoted followers
As long as he doesn't say / post mean & childlike things
they don't care what he & his family do or have done.
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I would love to watch him try to answer questions.
Me too. But I doubt he ever answers any tough questions in public. He's incompetent.
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Yep - None of that matters to his devoted followers
As long as he doesn't say / post mean & childlike things
they don't care what he & his family do or have done.
Heres my thoughts, since I know you were wondering.
Apparently we suck at handling confidential documents at the whitehouse level. That needs to stop yesterday
Trump made every effort early on to hide the fact he had documents. I think the boxes found in his bathroom and on a stage as well as information that he ordered his subordinates to hide them lie about them etc even after the documents were requested indicates a high level of culpability.
Bidens team initially reached out to the FBI about documents they had. This indicates cooperation. However, months down the road documents are still being found indicate a lack of competency in making sure all documents were returned. At some point consequences are in order.
I get that in the past Presidents and VP's had an apparent unspoken exception to the handling of classified documents f(Which I don't agree with). But at this point, Biden SHOULD have had a team sweep his offices and homes, or as Prime suggested, invited the FBI to search his properties to make sure. So let's let the chips fall where they may. Any charges to come out of this, Biden and his team asked for it.
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Heres my thoughts, since I know you were wondering.
Apparently we suck at handling confidential documents at the whitehouse level. That needs to stop yesterday
Trump made every effort early on to hide the fact he had documents. I think the boxes found in his bathroom and on a stage as well as information that he ordered his subordinates to hide them lie about them etc even after the documents were requested indicates a high level of culpability.
Bidens team initially reached out to the FBI about documents they had. This indicates cooperation. However, months down the road documents are still being found indicate a lack of competency in making sure all documents were returned. At some point consequences are in order.
I get that in the past Presidents and VP's had an apparent unspoken exception to the handling of classified documents f(Which I don't agree with). But at this point, Biden SHOULD have had a team sweep his offices and homes, or as Prime suggested, invited the FBI to search his properties to make sure. So let's let the chips fall where they may. Any charges to come out of this, Biden and his team asked for it.
Actually I wasn't wondering .
The whole family are white trash , all are liars , some are drug addicts & perverts,
Some out & out Crooks - A complete gutter scumbag of a family.
As for the documents his houses should be raided & throughly searched.
IF & its a Big IF Pedo Joe is ever charged & taken to court his advanced dementia
Will get him off as he'll be deemed unfit to answer.
That's why his puppet handlers keep him in place so they can continue doing whatever
They want & He gets the blame.
He's going down hill fast even with all the drugs they're stuffing him full of.
My dad's dementia took him in little over a year.
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Actually I wasn't wondering .
The whole family are white trash , all are liars , some are drug addicts & perverts,
Some out & out Crooks - A complete gutter scumbag of a family.
As for the documents his houses should be raided & throughly searched.
IF & its a Big IF Pedo Joe is ever charged & taken to court his advanced dementia
Will get him off as he'll be deemed unfit to answer.
That's why his puppet handlers keep him in place so they can continue doing whatever
They want & He gets the blame.
He's going down hill fast even with all the drugs they're stuffing him full of.
My dad's dementia took him in little over a year.
My bad.. I guess I'm used to "What does Agnostic think about this" that occurs about every other day. If you weren't wondering.. disregard
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My bad.. I guess I'm used to "What does Agnostic think about this" that occurs about every other day. If you weren't wondering.. disregard
You've as much right to post your thoughts & ideas as I & everyone else
on Getbig does.
🤔 ................Hmmmm, well there may well be an exception or 2
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You've as much right to post your thoughts & ideas as I & everyone else
on Getbig does.
🤔 ................Hmmmm, well there may well be an exception or 2
can't argue that...
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Bidens team initially reached out to the FBI about documents they had. This indicates cooperation. However, months down the road documents are still being found indicate a lack of competency in making sure all documents were returned. At some point consequences are in order.
Youre gullible. Of course shitter showed cooperation, when it was a plan to go after Trump for the same thing.
A structured plan... Not shitter being "genuine" ::) ::)
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White House knew Biden had his own document problem before siccing FBI on Trump, new timeline shows
A case of psychological projection? Biden's White House knew that he left boxes of documents at the Penn Biden Center a year before he directed NARA to facilitate FBI's raid on Trump home over documents.
By Steven Richards
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/white-house-knew-biden-had-classified-docs-it-asked-nara-help-fbi
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White House knew Biden had his own document problem before siccing FBI on Trump, new timeline shows
A case of psychological projection? Biden's White House knew that he left boxes of documents at the Penn Biden Center a year before he directed NARA to facilitate FBI's raid on Trump home over documents.
By Steven Richards
https://justthenews.com/accountability/political-ethics/white-house-knew-biden-had-classified-docs-it-asked-nara-help-fbi
Scumbag Khvnt wants kicking from the west coast over to the east coast
And back again.
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New evidence may destroy Biden’s defense in his classified documents case
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 10/14/23
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4254963-new-evidence-may-destroy-bidens-defense-in-his-classified-documents-case/#:~:text=It%20also%20raises%20the%20question,another%20commonly%2Dcharged%20federal%20crime.
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MOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE how many more docs do wee need to see to lock up Braindead Joe.
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Shocking. ::)
Special Counsel Investigating Biden Classified Docs Reportedly Unlikely To Charge Anybody
JAMES LYNCH
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
November 16, 2023
https://dailycaller.com/2023/11/16/robert-hur-biden-classified-docs-unlikely-charge-anybody/?pnespid=uellUy1FLLgagvzKvW_lF5WKpx3xTZ9qM7mn2fdy.h9mma0fJS_ysbk7_3qT1PGnClpX11TW7A
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Whine, whine, whine....
"Every sane and logical person understands the difference. Donald Trump and his supporters are the only ones still defending him for not doing something as simple as returning documents. It would've been so easy."
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"Wow!": Trump gets schooled after whining that Biden won't face charges over classified docs
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=wow+trump+gets+schooled&fr=yfp-t-m&fr2=p%3Afp%2Cm%3Asb%2Cv%3Amodal&ei=UTF-8&fp=1
Special counsel Robert Hur is not expected to charge anyone in his investigation into the mishandling of classified documents at two locations connected to President Joe Biden, two sources close to the investigation told CNN. Hur and his team are crafting a detailed report about the year-long probe that is expected to be critical of Biden and his staff for their handling of sensitive materials and go into extensive detail about the special counsel's findings. Investigators on Hur's team have informed other Department of Justice officials that they aim to complete the report by the end of the year, but that timeline could change.
Former President Donald Trump raged on social media after learning of the CNN report, bemoaning a supposed double standard. "WOW! FAKE NEWS CNN, THROUGH A LEAK FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF INJUSTICE, HAS JUST REPORTED THAT NO CHARGES WILL BE FILED IN THE (MUCH BIGGER THAN MINE!!!) CROOKED JOE BIDEN DOCUMENTS CASE. WE ARE LIVING IN A VERY CORRUPT COUNTRY!" he wrote on Truth Social Friday morning.
Former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance notes, however, that Biden's case — and that of former Vice President Mike Pence, who was also investigated for mishandling classified documents but left unscathed — are very different from Trump's. "Trump was given every chance to return the documents after the National Archives realized they were missing. Biden & Pence both self-reported," Vance wrote on X/Twitter. "The biggest problem for Trump is his lengthy history of trying to hold onto documents when asked, even subpoenaed, for them."
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Whine, whine, whine....
"Every sane and logical person understands the difference. Donald Trump and his supporters are the only ones still defending him for not doing something as simple as returning documents. It would've been so easy."
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"Wow!": Trump gets schooled after whining that Biden won't face charges over classified docs
https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=wow+trump+gets+schooled&fr=yfp-t-m&fr2=p%3Afp%2Cm%3Asb%2Cv%3Amodal&ei=UTF-8&fp=1
Special counsel Robert Hur is not expected to charge anyone in his investigation into the mishandling of classified documents at two locations connected to President Joe Biden, two sources close to the investigation told CNN. Hur and his team are crafting a detailed report about the year-long probe that is expected to be critical of Biden and his staff for their handling of sensitive materials and go into extensive detail about the special counsel's findings. Investigators on Hur's team have informed other Department of Justice officials that they aim to complete the report by the end of the year, but that timeline could change.
Former President Donald Trump raged on social media after learning of the CNN report, bemoaning a supposed double standard. "WOW! FAKE NEWS CNN, THROUGH A LEAK FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF INJUSTICE, HAS JUST REPORTED THAT NO CHARGES WILL BE FILED IN THE (MUCH BIGGER THAN MINE!!!) CROOKED JOE BIDEN DOCUMENTS CASE. WE ARE LIVING IN A VERY CORRUPT COUNTRY!" he wrote on Truth Social Friday morning.
Former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance notes, however, that Biden's case — and that of former Vice President Mike Pence, who was also investigated for mishandling classified documents but left unscathed — are very different from Trump's. "Trump was given every chance to return the documents after the National Archives realized they were missing. Biden & Pence both self-reported," Vance wrote on X/Twitter. "The biggest problem for Trump is his lengthy history of trying to hold onto documents when asked, even subpoenaed, for them."
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Some folks are never satisfied. I understand that Trump chooses to look at these issues only one way, the way that most affects him. If he saw anything objectively, he could not say Biden's case was "MUCH BIGGER THAN MINE" and maintain a straight face. The past and probably current handling of top secret classified documents needs much improvement because it is far too laxed.
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Shocking. ::)
Special Counsel Investigating Biden Classified Docs Reportedly Unlikely To Charge Anybody
JAMES LYNCH
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
November 16, 2023
https://dailycaller.com/2023/11/16/robert-hur-biden-classified-docs-unlikely-charge-anybody/?pnespid=uellUy1FLLgagvzKvW_lF5WKpx3xTZ9qM7mn2fdy.h9mma0fJS_ysbk7_3qT1PGnClpX11TW7A
Corrupt Country. No better than a third world at this point.
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Lurker and prime still haven’t figured out that Biden shouldn’t have had them in the first place. I guarantee it’s not over.
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Corrupt Country. No better than a third world at this point.
Sadly it is so - its likely been that way along time only now its much more apparent
Whats going on.
Political corruption Is rife in many western countries & so many Puppet governments For the likes of WEF.
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Corrupt Country. No better than a third world at this point.
We absolutely look like a Banana Republic.
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Lurker and prime still haven’t figured out that Biden shouldn’t have had them in the first place. I guarantee it’s not over.
Neither should Trumpy have had his when they were seized. Swing and a miss retardo.
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We absolutely look like a Banana Republic.
Yeah thanks to the GOP and their election interference and attempts to overthrow a solid and fair election.
Good thing they were too stupid to get away with it.
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Neither should Trumpy have had his when they were seized. Swing and a miss retardo.
Wrong again, dippy. As usual.
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Wrong again, dippy. As usual.
Yes, you are.
Hence the reason the feds showed up and took them back. If he was cleared to have them, then he wouldn't have spent so much time and effort lying about it, trying to hide them, having them moved, and security tapes destroyed. El Fatso should have complied the first time and then he wouldn't be sitting where he is now with dozens of felony charges against him and you having to make excuses.
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Yes, you are.
Hence the reason the feds showed up and took them back. If he was cleared to have them, then he wouldn't have spent so much time and effort lying about it, trying to hide them, having them moved, and security tapes destroyed. El Fatso should have complied the first time and then he wouldn't be sitting where he is now with dozens of felony charges against him and you having to make excuses.
Yeah, and you fell for the bullshit. You’ll believe anything propagandists spoon feed you
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Biden the pant-shitting traitor has hurt the USA 1000X more than Trump ever could.
Yet, Libturdz still cry about the Orange man.
Very weird behavior... ??? ??? ???
Prime, go sukk some glory-hole caulk you degenerate fukktard...
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Yeah, and you fell for the bullshit. You’ll believe anything propagandists spoon feed you
I didn't fall for anything. The facts and reality have shown that you once again fell for clickbait news and excuses.
How's your statement that he gave them all back holding up? hahahaha
Still going with the excuse that the feds planted it there? hahahahaha
How about the one where he declassified them with his mind? hahahahaha
Or the excuse that they were not classified at all? hahahahahah
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Every sane and logical person understands the difference. Donald Trump and his supporters are the only ones still defending him for not doing something as simple as returning documents. It would've been so easy. But no, he has to lie, lie, ignore subpoenas and then lie some more. You know, typical Trumpy behavior. Because it worked so well in the past. ::)
It's like two guys caught for speeding. The first pulls over, apologizes, and drives away with a warning. The other guy flees, takes the cops on a high speed chase, and then still denies he did nothing wrong while he's hauled off to jail.
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I didn't fall for anything. The facts and reality have shown that you once again fell for clickbait news and excuses.
How's your statement that he gave them all back holding up? hahahaha
Still going with the excuse that the feds planted it there? hahahahaha
How about the one where he declassified them with his mind? hahahahaha
Or the excuse that they were not classified at all? hahahahahah
The only thing I said you lines of bullshit is he can declassify
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Who can & who can't declassify documents ?
Are presidents allowed to ?
Can vice presidents ? Can they have these documents scattered around places ?
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The only thing I said you lines of bullshit is he can declassify
But he didn't declassify. And certainly not with his mind. ::)
Now how about your other retarded claims?
How's your statement that he gave them all back holding up? hahahaha
Still going with the excuse that the feds planted it there? hahahahaha
Or the excuse that they were not classified at all? hahahahahah
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But he didn't declassify. And certainly not with his mind. ::)
Now how about your other retarded claims?
How's your statement that he gave them all back holding up? hahahaha
Still going with the excuse that the feds planted it there? hahahahaha
Or the excuse that they were not classified at all? hahahahahah
Yeah…that’s what you’re being told.
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Every sane and logical person understands the difference. Donald Trump and his supporters are the only ones still defending him for not doing something as simple as returning documents. It would've been so easy. But no, he has to lie, lie, ignore subpoenas and then lie some more. You know, typical Trumpy behavior. Because it worked so well in the past. ::)
It's like two guys caught for speeding. The first pulls over, apologizes, and drives away with a warning. The other guy flees, takes the cops on a high speed chase, and then still denies he did nothing wrong while he's hauled off to jail.
Pretty much sums it up.... but, it doesn't matter. Facts simply don't matter to the brainwashed. They simply wave them off with "Yeah that's what you're being told" when we have the specific charges to refer to. It's Rev. Jim Jones all over again.
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Pretty much sums it up.... but, it doesn't matter. Facts simply don't matter to the brainwashed. They simply wave them off with "Yeah that's what you're being told" when we have the specific charges to refer to. It's Rev. Jim Jones all over again.
Who can & who can't declassify documents ?
Are presidents allowed to ?
Can vice presidents ? Can they have these documents scattered around various places ?
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Pretty much sums it up.... but, it doesn't matter. Facts simply don't matter to the brainwashed. They simply wave them off with "Yeah that's what you're being told" when we have the specific charges to refer to. It's Rev. Jim Jones all over again.
Just scanned the recent posts in this thread. If you look at posts from a year or more ago... ever since the FBI discovered Trump had unsafely and illegally hoarded Classified government documents located at Mar a Lago and Bedminster, nothing about this Getbig discussion, or apparently the posters beliefs have changed even though there are new discoveries, updated information, and facts in this case. Trump will be sitting in prison and Coach will still maintain Trump's innocence. The only value in reading this thread at this point is for a laugh.
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Who can & who can't declassify documents ?
Yes
Are presidents allowed to ?
Can vice presidents ? Can they have these documents scattered around various places ?
No, they can’t even take a roll of toilet paper with them…neither can Senators
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Just scanned the recent posts in this thread. If you look at posts from a year or more ago... ever since the FBI discovered Trump had unsafely and illegally hoarded Classified government documents located at Mar a Lago and Bedminster, nothing about this Getbig discussion, or apparently the posters beliefs have changed even though there are new discoveries, updated information, and facts in this case. Trump will be sitting in prison and Coach will still maintain Trump's innocence. The only value in reading this thread at this point is for a laugh.
Who can & who can't declassify documents ?
Are presidents allowed to ?
Can vice presidents ? Can they have these documents scattered around various places ?
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Thank you -
Is the president allowed to declassify?
I've asked the same to Agnostic & prime
Let's see if they have similar answers.................
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Thank you -
Is the president allowed to declassify?
I've asked the same to Agnostic & prime
Let's see if they have similar answers.................
He’s the only one
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He’s the only one
Is he - okay .
The all this wrangling over Donald & Documents doesn't seem right,
And Pedo Pete had Documents when he wasn't president, Then he
Should be the one in the firing line.
3rd world shit show politics by the looks of it. 🤷🏻♂️😳
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Is he - okay .
The all this wrangling over Donald & Documents doesn't seem right,
And Pedo Pete had Documents when he wasn't president, Then he
Should be the one in the firing line.
3rd world shit show politics by the looks of it. 🤷🏻♂️😳
Of course it’s not right. It’s literally election interference and even more so now since he’s picking up steam even more and is destroying Biden in the polls despite his fake indictments, gag orders and threats of imprisonment. Marxist DA Fanni Willis wants a trial date three months before the 2024 election to tie him up in court so he can’t campaign.
This country needs an enema to rid it of socialists and Marxist communists and I can fucking WAIT
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Of course it’s not right. It’s literally election interference and even more so now since he’s picking up steam even more and is destroying Biden in the polls despite his fake indictments, gag orders and threats of imprisonment. Marxist DA Fanni Willis wants a trial date three months before the 2024 election to tie him up in court so he can’t campaign.
This country needs an enema to rid it of socialists and Marxist communists and I can fucking WAIT
To do what? What is it you fancy yourself actually doing? You have been asked this many times and not a single time have you answered.
What is a retarded geriatric manlet in poor health actually going to do?
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Who can & who can't declassify documents ?
Are presidents allowed to ?
Can vice presidents ? Can they have these documents scattered around various places ?
The president has the authority to declassify anything. He is the only person in the country with that kind of authority. A VP can only declassify if he was the person designated the info as classified, which rarely if ever happens.
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To do what? What is it you fancy yourself actually doing? You have been asked this many times and not a single time have you answered.
What is a retarded geriatric manlet in poor health actually going to do?
Yet here you are posting anonymously behind a keyboard
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The president has the authority to declassify anything. He is the only person in the country with that kind of authority. A VP can only declassify if he was the person designated the info as classified, which rarely if ever happens.
Only while he is in office.
And only when he follows procedure.
Both instances are the exact opposite of Trumpy's case.
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Yet here you are posting anonymously behind a keyboard
Behind a keyboard is exactly how you will be experiencing the Civil War 2.0.
We all know it.
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Only while he is in office.
And only when he follows procedure.
Both instances are the exact opposite of Trumpy's case.
He doesn't have to follow "procedure" adopted by someone else when he is ultimate declassification authority. No one else has that authority.
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Yet here you are posting anonymously behind a keyboard
And constantly saying what he thinks are very personal things about people on the board. Ultimate Keyboard Warrior.
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He doesn't have to follow "procedure" adopted by someone else when he is ultimate declassification authority. No one else has that authority.
Funny how the NRA didn't agree with that.
Nor has his attorneys tried to half ass use that as a defense either.
The POTUS can declassify materials. And he was not POTUS when they came calling.
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And constantly saying what he thinks are very personal things about people on the board. Ultimate Keyboard Warrior.
Says the one who sits by silently while the peanut gallery calls everyone they don't agree with a pedo or wish they were dead.
Ultimate Hypocrite.
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Funny how the NRA didn't agree with that.
The NRA has an opinion on this? News to me. If you are referring to the National Archives, and the partisan hack who runs it, who cares what he thinks? If he disagrees, he's wrong. The law and the constitution are pretty clear about the president having ultimate declassification authority.
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Says the one who sits by silently while the peanut gallery calls everyone they don't agree with a pedo or wish they were dead.
Ultimate Hypocrite.
Everything I said is true. You have this weird fetish that includes attacking people on a very personal level, based on things you think you know about them. And Coach is right: you do it from the safety of your anonymous keyboard.
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The NRA has an opinion on this? News to me. If you are referring to the National Archives, and the partisan hack who runs it, who cares what he thinks? If he disagrees, he's wrong. The law and the constitution are pretty clear about the president having ultimate declassification authority.
NARA - my bad.
Apparently, quite a few care what he thinks. Those felonies are proof of that.
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Everything I said is true. You have this weird fetish that includes attacking people on a very personal level, based on things you think you know about them. And Coach is right: you do it from the safety of your anonymous keyboard.
Everything I have said is true.
Knowing my name would not change that fact.
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Everything I have said is true.
Knowing my name would not change that fact.
Nothing you say is true. Lemming
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Nothing you say is true. Lemming
And yet you can't prove otherwise. "Debunked".
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Pedo is at it yet again. FFS
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Who can & who can't declassify documents ?
Are presidents allowed to ?
Can vice presidents ? Can they have these documents scattered around various places ?
You are only asking this now? One would have thought you already knew the answers. That you did not say a lot about where your thinking is coming from.
A couple of things for you to consider; no one, not even a former President can declassify documents "just by thinking about it." There are different processes and rules for declassifying documents based on the content of the information in the document. Not all classified documents are equal. In all cases there is a formal process for declassifying government documents. “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” according to law.
There were literally tons of boxes of classified government documents scattered around Mar a Lago. Even if, as President he had the authority to declassify documents there is no chance that he declassified all these prior vacating the White House. Trump’s term of office ended at noon on January 20, 2021. Just as he could not declassify documents via his thoughts, he could not have done it (constitutionally) retroactively after moving to Mar a Lago.
There is a problem with the logistics to support many of his excuses/defenses regarding his authority to declassify documents.
And before you go there, these rules apply to Biden and Obama and any other President or former President throughout history.
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You are only asking this now? One would have thought you already knew the answers. That you did not say a lot about where your thinking is coming from.
A couple of things for you to consider; no one, not even a former President can declassify documents "just by thinking about it." There are different processes and rules for declassifying documents based on the content of the information in the document. Not all classified documents are equal. In all cases there is a formal process for declassifying government documents. “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” according to law.
There were literally tons of boxes of classified government documents scattered around Mar a Lago. Even if, as President he had the authority to declassify documents there is no chance that he declassified all these prior vacating the White House. Trump’s term of office ended at noon on January 20, 2021. Just as he could not declassify documents via his thoughts, he could not have done it (constitutionally) retroactively after moving to Mar a Lago.
There is a problem with the logistics to support many of his excuses/defenses regarding his authority to declassify documents.
And before you go there, these rules apply to Biden and Obama and any other President or former President throughout history.
Wrong. There are no "processes and rules" the POTUS has to follow to declassify documents, unless the POTUS has actually enacted those "processes and rules."
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You are only asking this now? One would have thought you already knew the answers. That you did not say a lot about where your thinking is coming from.
A couple of things for you to consider; no one, not even a former President can declassify documents "just by thinking about it." There are different processes and rules for declassifying documents based on the content of the information in the document. Not all classified documents are equal. In all cases there is a formal process for declassifying government documents. “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” according to law.
There were literally tons of boxes of classified government documents scattered around Mar a Lago. Even if, as President he had the authority to declassify documents there is no chance that he declassified all these prior vacating the White House. Trump’s term of office ended at noon on January 20, 2021. Just as he could not declassify documents via his thoughts, he could not have done it (constitutionally) retroactively after moving to Mar a Lago.
There is a problem with the logistics to support many of his excuses/defenses regarding his authority to declassify documents.
And before you go there, these rules apply to Biden and Obama and any other President or former President throughout history.
What difference does it make what & when I ask.
As usual you go into a book length answer about Donald & then just Tag
Pedo Joe & Queer Bath House Barry on at the end ::)
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Wrong. There are no "processes and rules" the POTUS has to follow to declassify documents, unless the POTUS has actually enacted those "processes and rules."
This is not consistent with what I read, which is there are many 'processes and rules' which depend on the nature/content of the actual document and the source of the original document.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents#:~:text=As%20with%20classification%2C%20declassification%20is,that%20the%20protections%20are%20removed.
Article II of the Constitution does not specifically address declassifying documents.
What is stated in the National Archives seem like processes and rules to me. You may not agree and that is your prerogative.
https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/appendix/12958.html
Not a rule? 'The original classification authority, to the greatest extent possible, shall declassify classified information contained in records determined to have permanent historical value under 44 U.S.C. 2107 before they are accessioned into the National Archives.'
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-6/chapter-I/part-7
More 'rules' regarding classified government documents:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/laws/national-security-information#:~:text=Sec.,-3.4Mandatory%20Review%20for&text=The%20Archivist%20of%20the%20United,title%2044%2C%20United%20States%20Code.
More interesting reading relating to classifying and declassifying. Are these simply guidelines or are they rules and proceedures?
'Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.'
https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html
Related, here is a New York Times related article (a opinion based on factual information).
No credible evidence has emerged that Mr. Trump issued any standing order to declassify everything he happened to take from the Oval Office, and national security legal specialists have greeted the notion with disdain. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, said the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — was “preposterous.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-classified-documents.html
There is a common thread through everything I read from a variety of sources which suggests declassifying government documents is not something which can be done 'willy-nilly' by the President as Trump implied when he said, 'just by thinking about it.'
Perhaps, you prefer to oversimplify the Presidents authority with regards to classified information/documents. I doubt when this issue is tried the conclusions will be arrived at with simplicity.
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This is not consistent with what I read, which is there are many 'processes and rules' which depend on the nature/content of the actual document and the source of the original document.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents#:~:text=As%20with%20classification%2C%20declassification%20is,that%20the%20protections%20are%20removed.
Article II of the Constitution does not specifically address declassifying documents.
What is stated in the National Archives seem like processes and rules to me. You may not agree and that is your prerogative.
https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/appendix/12958.html
Not a rule? 'The original classification authority, to the greatest extent possible, shall declassify classified information contained in records determined to have permanent historical value under 44 U.S.C. 2107 before they are accessioned into the National Archives.'
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-6/chapter-I/part-7
More 'rules' regarding classified government documents:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/laws/national-security-information#:~:text=Sec.,-3.4Mandatory%20Review%20for&text=The%20Archivist%20of%20the%20United,title%2044%2C%20United%20States%20Code.
More interesting reading relating to classifying and declassifying. Are these simply guidelines or are they rules and proceedures?
'Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.'
https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html
Related, here is a New York Times related article (a opinion based on factual information).
No credible evidence has emerged that Mr. Trump issued any standing order to declassify everything he happened to take from the Oval Office, and national security legal specialists have greeted the notion with disdain. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, said the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — was “preposterous.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-classified-documents.html
There is a common thread through everything I read from a variety of sources which suggests declassifying government documents is not something which can be done 'willy-nilly' by the President as Trump implied when he said, 'just by thinking about it.'
Perhaps, you prefer to oversimplify the Presidents authority with regards to classified information/documents. I doubt when this issue is tried the conclusions will be arrived at with simplicity.
Use your common sense. If the POTUS is the only person in the country who can declassify any document (a fact), then he does not have to follow "procedures" imposed by some other person or entity. That would mean he is not the ultimate declassification authority. What you are reading refers to everyone except the POTUS.
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This is not consistent with what I read, which is there are many 'processes and rules' which depend on the nature/content of the actual document and the source of the original document.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents#:~:text=As%20with%20classification%2C%20declassification%20is,that%20the%20protections%20are%20removed.
Article II of the Constitution does not specifically address declassifying documents.
What is stated in the National Archives seem like processes and rules to me. You may not agree and that is your prerogative.
https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/appendix/12958.html
Not a rule? 'The original classification authority, to the greatest extent possible, shall declassify classified information contained in records determined to have permanent historical value under 44 U.S.C. 2107 before they are accessioned into the National Archives.'
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-6/chapter-I/part-7
More 'rules' regarding classified government documents:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/laws/national-security-information#:~:text=Sec.,-3.4Mandatory%20Review%20for&text=The%20Archivist%20of%20the%20United,title%2044%2C%20United%20States%20Code.
More interesting reading relating to classifying and declassifying. Are these simply guidelines or are they rules and proceedures?
'Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.'
https://abalegalfactcheck.com/articles/declassified.html
Related, here is a New York Times related article (a opinion based on factual information).
No credible evidence has emerged that Mr. Trump issued any standing order to declassify everything he happened to take from the Oval Office, and national security legal specialists have greeted the notion with disdain. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, said the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — was “preposterous.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-classified-documents.html
There is a common thread through everything I read from a variety of sources which suggests declassifying government documents is not something which can be done 'willy-nilly' by the President as Trump implied when he said, 'just by thinking about it.'
Perhaps, you prefer to oversimplify the Presidents authority with regards to classified information/documents. I doubt when this issue is tried the conclusions will be arrived at with simplicity.
I'm just curious. At any point while creating this post that clearly supports your position that there are processes for declassification of documents depending on what the documents contain, did you think to yourself "Dos Equis will read this and finally understand."? Or was it more like an interaction with Coach where you do it for the entertainment value as it's impossible to get past the brainwashing?
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Use your common sense. If the POTUS is the only person in the country who can declassify any document (a fact), then he does not have to follow "procedures" imposed by some other person or entity. That would mean he is not the ultimate declassification authority. What you are reading refers to everyone except the POTUS.
Your almost correct but not entirely so.
"Most national security legal experts dismissed the former president’s suggestion that he could declassify documents simply by thinking about it. But as an ABA Legal Fact Check posted Oct. 17 explains, legal guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.
The system of classifying national security documents is largely a bureaucratic process used by the federal government to control how executive branch officials handle information, whose release could cause the country harm. The government has, however, prosecuted cases for both mistaken and deliberate mishandling of information. Under the U.S. Constitution, the president as commander in chief is given broad powers to classify and declassify such information, often through use of executive orders.
Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court."
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/#:~:text=Under%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution%2C%20the,through%20use%20of%20executive%20orders.
It will be interesting to see if and when this is challenged how the court rules on it.
What is more, when it comes right down to the wire whether any of said documents were declassified may be a moot point.
"Donald Trump improperly retained at Mar-a-Lago were more than 300 documents that bore unambiguous classification markings. Not only should these documents have been turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (in accordance with the Presidential Records Act), but their storage at an insecure location violated the rules governing the handling of classified material — and could have put national security at risk. Trump has defended his conduct by claiming, without any evidence, that he declassified the documents.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents
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Your almost correct but not entirely so.
"Most national security legal experts dismissed the former president’s suggestion that he could declassify documents simply by thinking about it. But as an ABA Legal Fact Check posted Oct. 17 explains, legal guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.
The Brennan Center for Justice observations and remarks below are one opinion regarding the matter of declassification of government documents. It is likely to be argued in court at Trumps trail.
The system of classifying national security documents is largely a bureaucratic process used by the federal government to control how executive branch officials handle information, whose release could cause the country harm. The government has, however, prosecuted cases for both mistaken and deliberate mishandling of information. Under the U.S. Constitution, the president as commander in chief is given broad powers to classify and declassify such information, often through use of executive orders.
Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court."
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/#:~:text=Under%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution%2C%20the,through%20use%20of%20executive%20orders.
It will be interesting to see if and when this is challenged how the court rules on it.
What is more, when it comes right down to the wire whether any of said documents were declassified may be a moot point.
"Donald Trump improperly retained at Mar-a-Lago were more than 300 documents that bore unambiguous classification markings. Not only should these documents have been turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (in accordance with the Presidential Records Act), but their storage at an insecure location violated the rules governing the handling of classified material — and could have put national security at risk. Trump has defended his conduct by claiming, without any evidence, that he declassified the documents.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents
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Your almost correct but not entirely so.
"Most national security legal experts dismissed the former president’s suggestion that he could declassify documents simply by thinking about it. But as an ABA Legal Fact Check posted Oct. 17 explains, legal guidelines support his contention that presidents have broad authority to formally declassify most documents that are not statutorily protected, while they are in office.
The system of classifying national security documents is largely a bureaucratic process used by the federal government to control how executive branch officials handle information, whose release could cause the country harm. The government has, however, prosecuted cases for both mistaken and deliberate mishandling of information. Under the U.S. Constitution, the president as commander in chief is given broad powers to classify and declassify such information, often through use of executive orders.
Some secrets, such as information related to nuclear weapons, are handled separately under a specific statutory scheme that Congress has adopted under the Atomic Energy Act. Those secrets cannot be automatically declassified by the president alone and require, by law, extensive consultation with executive branch agencies.
In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.
As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court."
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/#:~:text=Under%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution%2C%20the,through%20use%20of%20executive%20orders.
It will be interesting to see if and when this is challenged how the court rules on it.
What is more, when it comes right down to the wire whether any of said documents were declassified may be a moot point.
"Donald Trump improperly retained at Mar-a-Lago were more than 300 documents that bore unambiguous classification markings. Not only should these documents have been turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (in accordance with the Presidential Records Act), but their storage at an insecure location violated the rules governing the handling of classified material — and could have put national security at risk. Trump has defended his conduct by claiming, without any evidence, that he declassified the documents.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/government-classification-and-mar-lago-documents
I am entirely correct. You just refuse to engage in any independent thought. You're not a completely illogical person. Use your common sense. Answer this question to yourself: Does the POTUS have the power to classify and/or declassify anything? If the answer is yes (it is), then ask yourself how anyone can restrict his ability to do so?
And I can use Google too.
James Risch stated on May 15, 2017 in remarks to reporters:
"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
truemostly-true
Louis Jacobson
By Louis Jacobson
May 16, 2017
Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?
The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting" didn’t just put the White House on the defensive. It also put Republican lawmakers in a tight spot.
One of the members of Congress who commented after the newspaper’s revelations was Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho. According to CNN, he told reporters, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
Is that accurate? Independent experts said Risch is on target concerning the legal powers of the president. Some experts added, however, that the senator’s formulation left out some context that is relevant for assessing Trump’s alleged actions.
The president’s classification and declassification powers are broad
Experts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.
The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.
"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."
Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."
In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."
The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."
Indeed, the controlling executive order has been rewritten by multiple presidents. The current version of the order was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.
The national-security experts at the blog Lawfare wrote in the wake of the Post’s revelation that the "infamous comment" by President Richard Nixon — that "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" — "is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the president gets to disclose what he wants."
Two caveats
So Risch’s comment holds water when it comes to the extent of the president’s powers. But some experts said that Risch’s formulation leaves out some notable aspects of the particular case involving Trump.
The first caveat: While Trump has the power to declassify information, he doesn’t appear to have done that in this case, at least at the time the story broke.
"There’s no question that the president has broad authority to declassify almost anything at any time without any process, but that’s not what happened here," said Stephen I. Vladeck, professor at the University of Texas School of Law. "He did not, in fact, declassify the information he shared with the Russians, which is why The Washington Post did not publish that information."
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Instead, Vladeck said, Trump "took it upon himself to authorize officials from a foreign government to receive classified national security information that was itself derived from a different foreign government’s intelligence gathering. That’s just not the same thing as what Sen. Risch described, and the law on this topic is far murkier."
Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Liberty & National Security Program at New York University’s Brennan Center, agreed that Risch’s point speaks to general presidential authority but not what happened in this particular case.
"Trump surely would not concede that the information in question is now ‘unclassified’ and available to anyone who files a (Freedom of Information Act) request," she said. "The relevant question, therefore, is not whether the president can spontaneously declassify information, but whether the president is permitted to disclose sensitive national security information to anyone he wishes."
Turner noted, however, that this isn’t necessarily a big distinction, since the president is ultimately the decider of what is classified and not. If his appointees disagree with his actions, "he can overrule their decisions," Turner said. "Within the Executive Branch the president is the boss."
The second caveat: Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it’s a smart idea.
"The important caveat is that ‘legal’ and ‘sensible’ may be different things," said John Pike, the director of globalsecurity.org. "It may be legal, but it may fail to avoid the appearance of impropriety."
Setting aside ethics, doing what Trump is alleged to have done could have negative practical consequences for the United States. "It could wreck the underlying intelligence-sharing agreement and place the U.S. at a disadvantage," Aftergood said.
That said, the line between wise and unwise is a judgment call.
On the one hand, Turner agreed that alienating an ally by not following their orders "could have very serious consequences."
On the other hand, he said, it’s not outlandish to argue that sharing closely held information with Russia could advance, rather than hurt, national interests.
Turner said it may be "in America’s interest to cooperate with Russia in the struggle against ISIS, including sharing intelligence information that may help save Russian lives and seeking information that may save American lives and those of other potential victims of ISIS attacks. Obviously, in the process we will want to safeguard sources and methods that might weaken our ability to keep track of what President Putin is up to--as he is potentially a greater threat to our security than is ISIS. But the struggle against ISIS is an area where the United States and Russia have a shared interest."
In a statement to PolitiFact, Risch’s office said that criticism of the wisdom of Trump's action would be a personal opinion, but such sentiments would not speak to "the letter of the law."
"Sen. Risch can tell you that all former presidents of the United States spoke regularly with heads of states and discussed classified matter, if they determined it to be in the best interest of the American people," the statement said.
Our ruling
Risch said, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
We found broad agreement that a president, using powers granted by the Constitution, is able to declassify essentially anything. However, experts added that Risch’s comment was not entirely on point for the particular situation involving Trump.
In this case, it appears Trump didn’t actually use his declassification power before talking to the Russian officials, and just because Trump’s actions were legal doesn’t necessarily mean they were wise. These caveats add nuance to analyses of what Trump did.
The statement is accurate but needs clarification and additional information, so we rate it Mostly True.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
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I am entirely correct. You just refuse to engage in any independent thought. You're not a completely illogical person. Use your common sense. Answer this question to yourself: Does the POTUS have the power to classify and/or declassify anything? If the answer is yes (it is), then ask yourself how anyone can restrict his ability to do so?
And I can use Google too.
James Risch stated on May 15, 2017, in remarks to reporters:
"The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
True, mostly-true
Louis Jacobson
By Louis Jacobson
May 16, 2017
What makes James Risch and Louis Jacobson authorities on the President's ability to declassify anything. Also, Louis qualified his opinion when he wrote "mostly true."
Does the president have 'the ability to declassify anything at any time'?
The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting" didn’t just put the White House on the defensive. It also put Republican lawmakers in a tight spot.
One of the members of Congress who commented after the newspaper’s revelations was Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho. According to CNN, he told reporters, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
Is that accurate? Independent experts said Risch is on target concerning the legal powers of the president. Some experts added, however, that the senator’s formulation left out some context that is relevant for assessing Trump’s alleged actions.
What context did James Risch leave out that was relevant to Trumps alleged actions?
Again, what gives you the idea that James Risch is an authority on these matters?
The president’s classification and declassification powers are broad.
Experts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.
Broad does not mean absolute.
Who are these so-called experts?
Ultimately responsibility does not mean without any constraints. Nor does the President’s ability to appoint people to do these tasks for him mean there aren’t procedures for declassification.
The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority.
"The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."
The definition of primarily is- for the most part; mainly. This is not the same as saying the President’s authority is absolute. It is quite the opposite.
Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."
Steven Aftergood is a critic of U.S. government secrecy policy. He directs the Federation of American Scientists project on Government Secrecy and is the author of the Federation publication Secrecy News. What about any of this qualifies him as an expert on the President’s abilities to do anything. What Stephen Aftergood says and believes has no relevancy to this matter.
In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."
The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."
Big whoop-de-do!
So, Robert F. Turneer is the associate director of the University of Virginia’s Center of National Security Law. Below is an outline of who they are and what they do. Why should anyone care what Robert F. Turner thinks or says with regards to the Presidents authority?
The center is the hub for national security law activities at the Law School, and cooperates with student groups, faculty members, the Public Service Center and Career Development, and outside organizations to coordinate speakers, events, summer and postgraduate employment, and pro bono opportunities.
Indeed, the controlling executive order has been rewritten by multiple presidents. The current version of the order was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.
The national-security experts at the blog Lawfare wrote in the wake of the Post’s revelation that the "infamous comment" by President Richard Nixon — that "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" — "is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the president gets to disclose what he wants."
Rewritten by multiple Presidents means exactly what?
Blog Lawfare? So now we are going by what is said on a blog. Really?
Two caveats
So Risch’s comment holds water when it comes to the extent of the president’s powers. But some experts said that Risch’s formulation leaves out some notable aspects of the particular case involving Trump.
The first caveat: While Trump has the power to declassify information, he doesn’t appear to have done that in this case, at least at the time the story broke.
"There’s no question that the president has broad authority to declassify almost anything at any time without any process, but that’s not what happened here," said Stephen I. Vladeck, professor at the University of Texas School of Law. [B"He did not, in fact, declassify the information he shared with the Russians,[/b] which is why The Washington Post did not publish that information."
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Instead, Vladeck said, Trump "took it upon himself to authorize officials from a foreign government to receive classified national security information that was itself derived from a different foreign government’s intelligence gathering. That’s just not the same thing as what Sen. Risch described, and the law on this topic is far murkier."
Elizabeth Goitein, co-director of the Liberty & National Security Program at New York University’s Brennan Center, agreed that Risch’s point speaks to general presidential authority but not what happened in this case.
"Trump surely would not concede that the information in question is now ‘unclassified’ and available to anyone who files a (Freedom of Information Act) request," she said. "The relevant question, therefore, is not whether the president can spontaneously declassify information, but whether the president is permitted to disclose sensitive national security information to anyone he wishes."
Turner noted, however, that this isn’t necessarily a big distinction, since the president is ultimately the decider of what is classified and not. If his appointees disagree with his actions, "he can overrule their decisions," Turner said. "Within the Executive Branch the president is the boss."
The second caveat: Just because something is legal doesn’t mean that it’s a smart idea.
"The important caveat is that ‘legal’ and ‘sensible’ may be different things," said John Pike, the director of globalsecurity.org. "It may be legal, but it may fail to avoid the appearance of impropriety."
Setting aside ethics, doing what Trump is alleged to have done could have negative practical consequences for the United States. "It could wreck the underlying intelligence-sharing agreement and place the U.S. at a disadvantage," Aftergood said.
That said, the line between wise and unwise is a judgment call.
On the one hand, Turner agreed that alienating an ally by not following their orders "could have very serious consequences."
On the other hand, he said, it’s not outlandish to argue that sharing closely held information with Russia could advance, rather than hurt, national interests.
Turner said it may be "in America’s interest to cooperate with Russia in the struggle against ISIS, including sharing intelligence information that may help save Russian lives and seeking information that may save American lives and those of other potential victims of ISIS attacks. Obviously, in the process we will want to safeguard sources and methods that might weaken our ability to keep track of what President Putin is up to--as he is potentially a greater threat to our security than is ISIS. But the struggle against ISIS is an area where the United States and Russia have a shared interest."
In a statement to PolitiFact, Risch’s office said that criticism of the wisdom of Trump's action would be a personal opinion, but such sentiments would not speak to "the letter of the law."
"Sen. Risch can tell you that all former presidents of the United States spoke regularly with heads of states and discussed classified matter, if they determined it to be in the best interest of the American people," the statement said.
Our ruling
Risch said, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
We found broad agreement that a president, using powers granted by the Constitution, is able to declassify essentially anything. However, experts added that Risch’s comment was not entirely on point for the particular situation involving Trump.
In this case, it appears Trump didn’t actually use his declassification power before talking to the Russian officials, and just because Trump’s actions were legal doesn’t necessarily mean they were wise. These caveats add nuance to analyses of what Trump did.
The statement is accurate but needs clarification and additional information, so we rate it Mostly True.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
It is interesting that you included some of these comments in your response because they are not helpful for Trump’s defense in the classified documents charges against him.
It is not clear to me why you included Trump’s comments on November 8, 2023, in a rally in Hialeah. Was this an error?
Though out your response you’ve relied on comments from people who have no legal authority but rather just opinions. I kind of get it though. Just as is most often the case with how government is run there is a large margin of error. Too many cooks spoil the soup kind of thing. The use of the word murky is apt when it comes to constitutional law.
All this is likely for nothing. Whether Trump had absolute authority to declassify the stolen documents, is not what will sink him. What is more likely is his constant shooting off his mouth both vocally and in his posts that will get him in the end. He is his own worst enemy.
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I'm just curious. At any point while creating this post that clearly supports your position that there are processes for declassification of documents depending on what the documents contain, did you think to yourself "Dos Equis will read this and finally understand."? Or was it more like an interaction with Coach where you do it for the entertainment value as it's impossible to get past the brainwashing?
My guess and hope is Dos understands much more than he is willing to admit to. I am unsure as to why I respond and comment on their posts. Interchanges with Dos are both challenging and a waste of time because he will never concede anything. The similarity between him and Coach is they've dug their feet so far into the mud nothing can get them out. They will take these arguments to their deathbed. More and more I see Dos as parroting Trump's comments. This is not a good sign that he can still think independently and with an open mind. I guess this is how cult leaders such as Trump recruit their followers.
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I'm just curious. At any point while creating this post that clearly supports your position that there are processes for declassification of documents depending on what the documents contain, did you think to yourself "Dos Equis will read this and finally understand."? Or was it more like an interaction with Coach where you do it for the entertainment value as it's impossible to get past the brainwashing?
It's good to know that I occupy that empty area of real estate between your ears. I don't even need to go into detail to know that whatever the left claims, it's always the opposite. "Detective"
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What makes James Risch and Louis Jacobson authorities on the President's ability to declassify anything. Also, Louis qualified his opinion when he wrote "mostly true."
What context did James Risch leave out that was relevant to Trumps alleged actions?
Again, what gives you the idea that James Risch is an authority on these matters?
Broad does not mean absolute.
Who are these so-called experts?
Ultimately responsibility does not mean without any constraints. Nor does the President’s ability to appoint people to do these tasks for him mean there aren’t procedures for declassification.
The definition of primarily is- for the most part; mainly. This is not the same as saying the President’s authority is absolute. It is quite the opposite.
Steven Aftergood is a critic of U.S. government secrecy policy. He directs the Federation of American Scientists project on Government Secrecy and is the author of the Federation publication Secrecy News. What about any of this qualifies him as an expert on the President’s abilities to do anything. What Stephen Aftergood says and believes has no relevancy to this matter.
Big whoop-de-do!
So, Robert F. Turneer is the associate director of the University of Virginia’s Center of National Security Law. Below is an outline of who they are and what they do. Why should anyone care what Robert F. Turner thinks or says with regards to the Presidents authority?
The center is the hub for national security law activities at the Law School, and cooperates with student groups, faculty members, the Public Service Center and Career Development, and outside organizations to coordinate speakers, events, summer and postgraduate employment, and pro bono opportunities.
Rewritten by multiple Presidents means exactly what?
Blog Lawfare? So now we are going by what is said on a blog. Really?
It is interesting that you included some of these comments in your response because they are not helpful for Trump’s defense in the classified documents charges against him.
It is not clear to me why you included Trump’s comments on November 8, 2023, in a rally in Hialeah. Was this an error?
Though out your response you’ve relied on comments from people who have no legal authority but rather just opinions. I kind of get it though. Just as is most often the case with how government is run there is a large margin of error. Too many cooks spoil the soup kind of thing. The use of the word murky is apt when it comes to constitutional law.
All this is likely for nothing. Whether Trump had absolute authority to declassify the stolen documents, is not what will sink him. What is more likely is his constant shooting off his mouth both vocally and in his posts that will get him in the end. He is his own worst enemy.
The issue we are addressing is whether the POTUS has the absolute authority to classify and declassify anything. Since you like to cut and paste from Google in lieu of independent thinking, I tried to help you by providing the 30 second result of my Google search. It didn't work. It didn't work because you have TDS and confirmation bias. But like I keep saying, you have plenty of company.
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The issue we are addressing is whether the POTUS has the absolute authority to classify and declassify anything. Since you like to cut and paste from Google in lieu of independent thinking, I tried to help you by providing the 30 second result of my Google search. It didn't work. It didn't work because you have TDS and confirmation bias. But like I keep saying, you have plenty of company.
Describe what you consider independent thinking. Is it drawing conclusions? Based on the content of your posts what you ‘independently’ think is not supported by facts, so what is it based on? Oh wait... what you did was to quote a bunch of folks with opinions that are clearly aligned with your foregone beliefs. If this is what you call independent thinking, you are mistaken.
If you wish to appear as an independent thinker, it behooves you not to so frequently regurgitate Trump’s exact words.
This is a definition of independent thinking I agree with: 'INDEPENDENT THINKING MEANS MAKING DECISIONS AND judgments for yourself using your personal ability to reason from the facts of reality.' Where and what are the facts in your post that substantiated the President's authority to classify and declassify documents?
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My guess and hope is Dos understands much more than he is willing to admit to. I am unsure as to why I respond and comment on their posts. Interchanges with Dos are both challenging and a waste of time because he will never concede anything. The similarity between him and Coach is they've dug their feet so far into the mud nothing can get them out. They will take these arguments to their deathbed. More and more I see Dos as parroting Trump's comments. This is not a good sign that he can still think independently and with an open mind. I guess this is how cult leaders such as Trump recruit their followers.
I was just curious. You spend a lot of effort composing your posts, only to have them dismissed out of hand or with a "use your common sense". I'm not judging, or asking in a negative way, I often do the same, I was just curious as to your ultimate goal. I've moved past the hope of getting most of them to concede the most basic facts regarding politics. I rarely converse with most as it is a waste of time, like I said, Coach is entertainment. It's fun to see just how far he will go down the rabbit hole of ignorance.
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I was just curious. You spend a lot of effort composing your posts, only to have them dismissed out of hand or with a "use your common sense". I'm not judging, or asking in a negative way, I often do the same, I was just curious as to your ultimate goal. I've moved past the hope of getting most of them to concede the most basic facts regarding politics. I rarely converse with most as it is a waste of time, like I said, Coach is entertainment. It's fun to see just how far he will go down the rabbit hole of ignorance.
I came across this video of you teaching firearms
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8yaNjcN/
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I came across this video of you teaching firearms
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8yaNjcN/
I'm sure it's funny. I can only imagine...
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I was just curious. You spend a lot of effort composing your posts, only to have them dismissed out of hand or with a "use your common sense". I'm not judging, or asking in a negative way, I often do the same, I was just curious as to your ultimate goal. I've moved past the hope of getting most of them to concede the most basic facts regarding politics. I rarely converse with most as it is a waste of time, like I said, Coach is entertainment. It's fun to see just how far he will go down the rabbit hole of ignorance.
I enjoy writing, always have. When I was in college, I took a theater arts class. I wrote weekly reviews for the little theater plays we saw. Attending local theatrical performances was the focus of the class. I also took business writing and creative writing, which was taught by a notable Oregon author, Craig Leslie. Oh and when not busy cleaning toilets, I wrote the specs for custodial equipment and supplies. I also wrote custodial training manuals which I believe the district still uses.
Now that I am retired, I probably have too much time to waste. Communicating with the folks on Getbig can be frustrating, but also entertaining and challenging. Over the many years I've been a member here, I've met some very interesting folks and made a few friends. To be fair, I have also made some enemies.
When posting on Getbig ceases to amuse me, I will stop. Periodically, I take a break if the tone of the posts become too negative because that is a real downer. Some folks might find it interesting that I am not particularly political in my offline life. As is often advised, it is better to not talk about politics and religion with people.
I believe the Trump years have changed this. He managed to completely change the political landscape… even though he didn’t ‘drain the swamp’ or erect a massive wall between the U.S. and Mexico plus make them pay for it. In this respect he is not dissimilar than most other politicians who make enormous promises to their constituents when campaigning and then not follow through with them.
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I enjoy writing, always have. When I was in college, I took a theater arts class. I wrote weekly reviews for the little theater plays we saw. Attending local theatrical performances was the focus of the class. I also took business writing and creative writing, which was taught by a notable Oregon author, Craig Leslie. Oh and when not busy cleaning toilets, I wrote the specs for custodial equipment and supplies. I also wrote custodial training manuals which I believe the district still uses.
Now that I am retired, I probably have too much time to waste. Communicating with the folks on Getbig can be frustrating, but also entertaining and challenging. Over the many years I've been a member here, I've met some very interesting folks and made a few friends. To be fair, I have also made some enemies.
When posting on Getbig ceases to amuse me, I will stop. Periodically, I take a break if the tone of the posts become too negative because that is a real downer. Some folks might find it interesting that I am not particularly political in my offline life. As is often advised, it is better to not talk about politics and religion with people.
I believe the Trump years have changed this. He managed to completely change the political landscape… even though he didn’t ‘drain the swamp’ or erect a massive wall between the U.S. and Mexico plus make them pay for it. In this respect he is not dissimilar than most other politicians who make enormous promises to their constituents when campaigning and then not follow through with them.
Thanks
As you mention, off line, I rarely talk politics or religion. In fact, it's almost a policy for me to not do either. On the occasion someone who is not a Trump fan opens up about his or her disgust, I might offer a few comments but I really don't care to continue it. Today, you are either preaching to the choir, or in a conversation that won't change anyone's mind whether it's politics or religion and may adversely affect the relationship.
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Thanks
As you mention, off line, I rarely talk politics or religion. In fact, it's almost a policy for me to not do either. On the occasion someone who is not a Trump fan opens up about his or her disgust, I might offer a few comments but I really don't care to continue it. Today, you are either preaching to the choir, or in a conversation that won't change anyone's mind whether it's politics or religion and may adversely affect the relationship.
My oldest and closest friend is a lifelong staunch Republican. She is a retired successful business owner, and a member and officer of the City Club of Portland which is primarily an organization of business owners. Although they describe themselves as a non-partisan organization, they tend to lean right. Today, she is an anti-Trump Republican and has been since he ran for office in 2016.
She, her partner, and I had only a few political discussions over the years, although they were never adversarial. One discussion I remember was about President Clinton. She was adamantly negative towards Clinton and strongly supported his being impeached following the Monica Lewinski affair. I maintained his personal life (the affair) was a matter to be resolved between Hilary and him and did not have bearing on his performance as President. She strongly supported President George W. Bush during that time.
I mention this to example Nancy’s strong moral and political views and how some lifelong Republicans feel about Donald Trump. My friend voted for Hilary Clinton in 2016 and President Biden in 2020 rather than elect someone like Trump into office. Without a doubt, she will not be voting for him as President in 2024 should he get that far.
Politics has greatly changed since Donald Trump came on the scene. He plays to and thus appeals to the far right and politically malcontent. He is a destructive influence on U.S. politics who surrounded himself with the worst of the worst and the weak who require someone to worship and who they feel best represent their negative viewpoints.
The U.S. is not currently in a good place, socially or politically. Thankfully everything cycles. I look forward to the time when most people 'woke up and smelled the coffee' and in doing so absolutely reject the likes of Donald Trump and his radical MAGA cult. When Trump falls, and he eventually will, he will fall hard as folks like him are apt to do.
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Describe what you consider independent thinking. Is it drawing conclusions? Based on the content of your posts what you ‘independently’ think is not supported by facts, so what is it based on? Oh wait... what you did was to quote a bunch of folks with opinions that are clearly aligned with your foregone beliefs. If this is what you call independent thinking, you are mistaken.
If you wish to appear as an independent thinker, it behooves you not to so frequently regurgitate Trump’s exact words.
This is a definition of independent thinking I agree with: 'INDEPENDENT THINKING MEANS MAKING DECISIONS AND judgments for yourself using your personal ability to reason from the facts of reality.' Where and what are the facts in your post that substantiated the President's authority to classify and declassify documents?
The fact you need the internet (or me) to define independent thinking demonstrates that you don't understand and do not engage in independent thinking.
I provided my assessment of the absolute authority possessed by the POTUS to classify and declassify documents and information. In response, rather than use your own common sense and independent thinking, you plugged some words in Google and posted what you found. (To your credit, you did not plagiarize this time.) In response, I plugged some words in Google and posted what I found. Trying to speak your language. Like I said, it did not work.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
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The fact you need the internet (or me) to define independent thinking demonstrates that you don't understand and do not engage in independent thinking.
I provided my assessment of the absolute authority possessed by the POTUS to classify and declassify documents and information. In response, rather than use your own common sense and independent thinking, you plugged some words in Google and posted what you found. (To your credit, you did not plagiarize this time.) In response, I plugged some words in Google and posted what I found. Trying to speak your language. Like I said, it did not work.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
This is why I keep calling for open debates. They can’t engage in debate because I don’t think they really keep up on the issues. They learn as they go by googling their responses. They let google decipher what’s right and wrong
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This is why I keep calling for open debates. They can’t engage in debate because I don’t think they really keep up on the issues. They learn as they go by googling their responses. They let google decipher what’s right and wrong
You are absolutely right. I think they actually get offended when they read or hear things that contradict their worldview. No way would they ever have a live debate or discussion with you.
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The fact you need the internet (or me) to define independent thinking demonstrates that you don't understand and do not engage in independent thinking.
I provided my assessment of the absolute authority possessed by the POTUS to classify and declassify documents and information. In response, rather than use your own common sense and independent thinking, you plugged some words in Google and posted what you found. (To your credit, you did not plagiarize this time.) In response, I plugged some words in Google and posted what I found. Trying to speak your language. Like I said, it did not work.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well. Don't eat too much... oh what the heck, eat all you want.
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This is why I keep calling for open debates. They can’t engage in debate because I don’t think they really keep up on the issues. They learn as they go by googling their responses. They let google decipher what’s right and wrong
In keeping with the spirit of the day, Happy Thanksgiving to you from all of us (they) whoever they are.
Just curios, can you explain for me and them, the logistics of this 'open debate' you frequently mention? Are you suggesting a Zoom meeting perhaps?
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In keeping with the spirit of the day, Happy Thanksgiving to you from all of us (they) whoever they are.
Just curios, can you explain for me and them, the logistics of this 'open debate' you frequently mention? Are you suggesting a Zoom meeting perhaps?
I was listening to Sam Harris being interviewed. Sam has a PhD in Neuroscience and atheist who often debates people on his podcast as well as colleges. He destroyed William Lane Criag and Ben Shapiro on religion. He was asked why he wouldn't have Alex Jones or Trump on his show, even though he has many people he disagrees with on it. He said mainly because they would spew forth so much BS that there wouldn't be enough time in the world to dissect each lie or misinformation. There is simply no way to debate with disingenuous bad actors. There is no value in it for him or the audience.
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You are absolutely right. I think they actually get offended when they read or hear things that contradict their worldview. No way would they ever have a live debate or discussion with you.
Like Coach, you too frequently speak of 'they' as if there is some other species of human called, they. In my experience there is no 'they', meaning one unique unit or group of people with absolute commonality, but a collection for people with differing and occasionally similar views on various subjects. At this point as far as we know there is no us versus them like in some of those ‘60’s science fiction films i.e., 1967s 'They Came from Beyond Space' or the 1990 - 1991 series, 'They Came from Outer Space.'
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I was listening to Sam Harris being interviewed. Sam has a PhD in Neuroscience and atheist who often debates people on his podcast as well as colleges. He destroyed William Lane Criag and Ben Shapiro on religion. He was asked why he wouldn't have Alex Jones or Trump on his show, even though he has many people he disagrees with on it. He said mainly because they would spew forth so much BS that there wouldn't be enough time in the world to dissect each lie or misinformation. There is simply no way to debate with disingenuous bad actors. There is no value in it for him or the audience.
Sam Harris is right on with regards to certain people. Debating these folks is a total waste of time. If I were to debate Alex Jones, would I end up buying 'The My Pillow?' Is he that persuasive? He seems like a nutcase to me. I believe it is best to avoid debating insane people because most of them have lost the ability to think and act rationally.
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Like Coach, you too frequently speak of 'they' as if there is some other species of human called, they. In my experience there is no 'they', meaning one unique unit or group of people with absolute commonality, but a collection for people with differing and occasionally similar views on various subjects. At this point as far as we know there is no us versus them like in some of those ‘60’s science fiction films i.e., 1967s 'They Came from Beyond Space' or the 1990 - 1991 series, 'They Came from Outer Space.'
Pretty obvious who Coach is talking about.
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Pretty obvious who Coach is talking about.
It is not obvious to me. But then, I think of people as individuals, some with similarities and some very dissimilar. Stereotype is a bad and often misused word in my opinion.
Do you and Coach know the same they? Or are there different types of they?
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I was listening to Sam Harris being interviewed. Sam has a PhD in Neuroscience and atheist who often debates people on his podcast as well as colleges. He destroyed William Lane Criag and Ben Shapiro on religion. He was asked why he wouldn't have Alex Jones or Trump on his show, even though he has many people he disagrees with on it. He said mainly because they would spew forth so much BS that there wouldn't be enough time in the world to dissect each lie or misinformation. There is simply no way to debate with disingenuous bad actors. There is no value in it for him or the audience.
And there in lies part of your problem. Sam Harris
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It is not obvious to me. But then, I think of people as individuals, some with similarities and some very dissimilar. Stereotype is a bad and often misused word in my opinion.
Do you and Coach know the same they? Or are there different types of they?
Bruh. He was talking about you and the handful of other liberals on the board, but I'm sure you know that.
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Bruh. He was talking about you and the handful of other liberals on the board, but I'm sure you know that.
I did not. Are you sure we are who he was referencing? If so, he could easily have identified us independently since there are so few of us known liberals on this board.
The rest of them are either too chickenshit or smart to identify as such, depending on how someone wants to look at it. No doubt there are other folks who choose to remain anonymous. Obviously, I believe people should stand up for their beliefs regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
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In keeping with the spirit of the day, Happy Thanksgiving to you from all of us (they) whoever they are.
Just curios, can you explain for me and them, the logistics of this 'open debate' you frequently mention? Are you suggesting a Zoom meeting perhaps?
For someone who comes off thinking they know everything via Google, seems you should be able to figure this out but here, I'll humor you. Just about any Trump hating leftist.
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I did not. Are you sure we are who he was referencing? If so, he could easily have identified us independently since there are so few of us known liberals on this board.
The rest of them are either too chickenshit or smart to identify as such, depending on how someone wants to look at it. No doubt there are other folks who choose to remain anonymous. Obviously, I believe people should stand up for their beliefs regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
You are seriously saying you have not seen Coach repeatedly ask you, Lurker, and Agnostic to debate him live?
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You are seriously saying you have not seen Coach repeatedly ask you, Lurker, and Agnostic to debate him live?
He has. He’s even addressed it.
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I did not. Are you sure we are who he was referencing?
If so, he could easily have identified us independently since there are so few of us known glory-hole cock-suckers liberals on this board.
The rest of them are either too chickenshit or smart to identify as such, depending on how someone wants to look at it. No doubt there are other folks who choose to remain anonymous. Obviously, I believe people should stand up for their beliefs regardless of whether I agree with them or not. (As I suck cock while my wife is dying a horrible death).
Worthless vile libturd cock-sucker...
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Use your common sense. If the POTUS is the only person in the country who can declassify any document (a fact), then he does not have to follow "procedures" imposed by some other person or entity. That would mean he is not the ultimate declassification authority. What you are reading refers to everyone except the POTUS.
Well then, in that case why has his legal team not made this the central claim in his defense then?
Because as dumb as they are, they also know it isn't true.
Also, you would actually have to be the POTUS at the time of declassification in order to declassify it. They were still classified when the feds seized them. And Trumpy was NOT the POTUS then. :)
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What makes James Risch and Louis Jacobson authorities on the President's ability to declassify anything. Also, Louis qualified his opinion when he wrote "mostly true."
What context did James Risch leave out that was relevant to Trumps alleged actions?
Again, what gives you the idea that James Risch is an authority on these matters?
Broad does not mean absolute.
Who are these so-called experts?
Ultimately responsibility does not mean without any constraints. Nor does the President’s ability to appoint people to do these tasks for him mean there aren’t procedures for declassification.
The definition of primarily is- for the most part; mainly. This is not the same as saying the President’s authority is absolute. It is quite the opposite.
Steven Aftergood is a critic of U.S. government secrecy policy. He directs the Federation of American Scientists project on Government Secrecy and is the author of the Federation publication Secrecy News. What about any of this qualifies him as an expert on the President’s abilities to do anything. What Stephen Aftergood says and believes has no relevancy to this matter.
Big whoop-de-do!
So, Robert F. Turneer is the associate director of the University of Virginia’s Center of National Security Law. Below is an outline of who they are and what they do. Why should anyone care what Robert F. Turner thinks or says with regards to the Presidents authority?
The center is the hub for national security law activities at the Law School, and cooperates with student groups, faculty members, the Public Service Center and Career Development, and outside organizations to coordinate speakers, events, summer and postgraduate employment, and pro bono opportunities.
Rewritten by multiple Presidents means exactly what?
Blog Lawfare? So now we are going by what is said on a blog. Really?
It is interesting that you included some of these comments in your response because they are not helpful for Trump’s defense in the classified documents charges against him.
It is not clear to me why you included Trump’s comments on November 8, 2023, in a rally in Hialeah. Was this an error?
Though out your response you’ve relied on comments from people who have no legal authority but rather just opinions. I kind of get it though. Just as is most often the case with how government is run there is a large margin of error. Too many cooks spoil the soup kind of thing. The use of the word murky is apt when it comes to constitutional law.
All this is likely for nothing. Whether Trump had absolute authority to declassify the stolen documents, is not what will sink him. What is more likely is his constant shooting off his mouth both vocally and in his posts that will get him in the end. He is his own worst enemy.
Oh damn.... EPIC BRUTALITY!
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I came across this video of you teaching firearms
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8yaNjcN/
Can you share the video of you teaching LE?
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This is why I keep calling for open debates. They can’t engage in debate because I don’t think they really keep up on the issues. They learn as they go by googling their responses. They let google decipher what’s right and wrong
You can't post anything factual or coherent even with the internet at your fingertips. This is why no one is wasting time debating a retard. Your "debate" is nothing but parroting InfoWars or clickbait nonsense. You have fallen tits over ass for every little CT that has come down the pipeline no matter how ridiculous it seems.
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I was listening to Sam Harris being interviewed. Sam has a PhD in Neuroscience and atheist who often debates people on his podcast as well as colleges. He destroyed William Lane Criag and Ben Shapiro on religion. He was asked why he wouldn't have Alex Jones or Trump on his show, even though he has many people he disagrees with on it. He said mainly because they would spew forth so much BS that there wouldn't be enough time in the world to dissect each lie or misinformation. There is simply no way to debate with disingenuous bad actors. There is no value in it for him or the audience.
100%
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He has. He’s even addressed it.
With the exact same logic that everyone else has used. No one is wasting time debating a retard.
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I was listening to Sam Harris being interviewed. Sam has a PhD in Neuroscience and atheist who often debates people on his podcast as well as colleges. He destroyed William Lane Criag and Ben Shapiro on religion. He was asked why he wouldn't have Alex Jones or Trump on his show, even though he has many people he disagrees with on it. He said mainly because they would spew forth so much BS that there wouldn't be enough time in the world to dissect each lie or misinformation. There is simply no way to debate with disingenuous bad actors. There is no value in it for him or the audience.
It's Just as well he doesn't have Pedo Joe & his son on
The Lies & BS Not to mention what would be Plagiarized,
those 2 would make everyone else look like Saints.
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You are seriously saying you have not seen Coach repeatedly ask you, Lurker, and Agnostic to debate him live?
When did I say that I was unaware of Coach's debate schtick? In fact, I have occasionally responded to his debate request posts. To date, he does not follow up on his initial debate comments. I suspect he is full of hot air and nothing more.
When someone uses the term 'they' to reference others as opposed to simply naming them, that person is generalizing and stereotyping. There is no one they. Everyone is unique in there own way.
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Bruh. He was talking about you and the handful of other liberals on the board, but I'm sure you know that.
I quite often admire your patience with the retarded leftists here.
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I quite often admire your patience with the retarded leftists here.
aren't you sweet
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aren't you sweet
Retard!
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I quite often admire your patience with the retarded leftists here.
:)
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Not surprised. And the media will say nothing about the double standard.
Special Counsel Probe of Biden’s Classified Documents Is Complete
Lengthy report will criticize Biden and is set to be released as soon as this week
By Aruna Viswanatha and Sadie Gurman
Updated Feb. 6, 2024
https://archive.is/RrWtK#selection-5631.0-5701.21
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Hypocrites. ::)
Special counsel: Biden ‘willfully’ disclosed classified materials
By Eric Tucker, Lindsay Whitehurst, Zeke Miller and Colleen Long / Associated Press
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/02/08/breaking-news/biden-wont-call-for-redactions-in-special-counsel-report/
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Not surprised. And the media will say nothing about the double standard.
Special Counsel Probe of Biden’s Classified Documents Is Complete
Lengthy report will criticize Biden and is set to be released as soon as this week
By Aruna Viswanatha and Sadie Gurman
Updated Feb. 6, 2024
https://archive.is/RrWtK#selection-5631.0-5701.21
Another case of "extremely careless". Laws and prison are just for the little people.
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Another case of "extremely careless". Laws and prison are just for the little people.
Truth.
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Special Counsel calls Biden 'sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,' brings no charges
Biden retained classified records related to national securitythat implicated 'sensitive intelligence sources and methods'
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published February 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/special-counsel-calls-biden-sympathetic-well-meaning-elderly-man-poor-memory-brings-no-charges
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Special Counsel calls Biden 'sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,' brings no charges
Biden retained classified records related to national securitythat implicated 'sensitive intelligence sources and methods'
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published February 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/special-counsel-calls-biden-sympathetic-well-meaning-elderly-man-poor-memory-brings-no-charges
"We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory. Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone from whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness."
Interesting dig at Biden but sadly true, they are effectively saying his is senile and that in his 50 year political career he has cultivated his image so that most people would be sympathetic towards him. He is the "well meaning" goofy grandpa when it suits his political goals, and all other times he is his usual self: a mean spirited bully and creepy pervert, now in advanced senility.
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Special Counsel calls Biden 'sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,' brings no charges
Biden retained classified records related to national securitythat implicated 'sensitive intelligence sources and methods'
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published February 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/special-counsel-calls-biden-sympathetic-well-meaning-elderly-man-poor-memory-brings-no-charges
Yup, hypocrisy and double standards.
Special counsel: Biden 'willfully' disclosed classified materials, but no criminal charges warranted
President Joe Biden “willfully” retained and disclosed highly classified materials when he was a private citizen, including documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan and other sensitive national security matters, according to a Justice Department report that nonetheless says no criminal charges are warranted for him or anyone else.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-wont-call-redactions-special-165203933.html
(https://rense.com/1.mpicons/slider20200710/ccp.jpg)
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Yup, hypocrisy and double standards.
Special counsel: Biden 'willfully' disclosed classified materials, but no criminal charges warranted
President Joe Biden “willfully” retained and disclosed highly classified materials when he was a private citizen, including documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan and other sensitive national security matters, according to a Justice Department report that nonetheless says no criminal charges are warranted for him or anyone else.
Biden could not have been prosecuted as a sitting president, but Hur’s report states that he would not recommend charges against Biden regardless.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-wont-call-redactions-special-165203933.html
And Biden has the nerve to do a victory lap. ::)
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In short it basically says…… since he’s almost brain dead and couldn’t remember his time as VP or his kid, he’s off the hook even though we don’t know if any classified information was given out even though some of these documents were kept in a CCP funded “think tank” at UPenn as well as in garage between a case of oil and a stack of old newspapers he’s been hoarding.
I have ZERO sympathy or empathy for this asshole. I’ll go to confession later
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In short it basically says…… since he’s almost brain dead and couldn’t remember his time as VP or his kid, he’s off the hook even though we don’t know if any classified information was given out even though some of these documents were kept in a CCP funded “think tank” at UPenn as well as in garage between a case of oil and a stack of old newspapers he’s been hoarding.
I have ZERO sympathy or empathy for this asshole. I’ll go to confession later
Neither do I.
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Interesting dig at Biden but sadly true, they are effectively saying his is senile and that in his 50 year political career he has cultivated his image so that most people would be sympathetic towards him. He is the "well meaning" goofy grandpa when it suits his political goals, and all other times he is his usual self: a mean spirited bully and creepy pervert, now in advanced senility.
Un fucking believable.
If that’s the case why hasn’t he resigned from his job?
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Joe is wonderful.
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Mr. Magoo is above the law.
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How the ghostwriter of Biden's memoirs ended up in the center of a classified documents probe
WILL WEISSERT
February 8, 2024
https://news.yahoo.com/ghostwriter-bidens-memoirs-ended-center-231358386.html
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25th Amendment?
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/02/08/special_counsel_hur_biden_elderly_man_with_poor_memory_150467.html
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In short it basically says…… since he’s almost brain dead and couldn’t remember his time as VP or his kid, he’s off the hook even though we don’t know if any classified information was given out even though some of these documents were kept in a CCP funded “think tank” at UPenn as well as in garage between a case of oil and a stack of old newspapers he’s been hoarding.
I have ZERO sympathy or empathy for this asshole. I’ll go to confession later
I'm hoping he drops dead mid-speech soon would be fukking hilarious... Seizes up, dies, shitz himself (again)...
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I'm hoping he drops dead mid-speech soon would be fukking hilarious... Seizes up, dies, shitz himself (again)...
The Libturds on here would still say he's fine & fully cognitive even as they buried him ::)
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http://nypost.com/2024/02/08/news/special-counsel-robert-hur-issues-report-on-bidens-mishandling-of-classified-documents/
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What a dirtbag.
Biden pinned the findings on his staff. “I take responsibility for not having seen exactly what my staff was doing,” he said.
“Things that appeared in my garage, things that came out of my home, things that were moved, were moved not by me, but my staff, but my staff,” he continued.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/08/joe-biden-throw-staff-under-bus-lashes-out-reporters-press-conference/?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
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Trump yesterday.
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/cfp-trump-popcorn.jpg)
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What a dirtbag.
Biden pinned the findings on his staff. “I take responsibility for not having seen exactly what my staff was doing,” he said.
“Things that appeared in my garage, things that came out of my home, things that were moved, were moved not by me, but my staff, but my staff,” he continued.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/08/joe-biden-throw-staff-under-bus-lashes-out-reporters-press-conference/?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
These things have been there for YEARS and he never thought once to say "hey, maybe I should not have these here?" as opposed to now blaming his staff? Biden has always been a corrupt liar and a thief and a scam artist.
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Trump’s lawyers look to get charges tossed in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case
NBC News ^ | 2/7/2024 | Daniel Barnes and Rebecca Shabad
Posted on 2/9/2024, 2:42:11 PM by Signalman
WASHINGTON — Lawyers for former President Donald Trump said in a filing Tuesday night that they plan to file multiple motions to dismiss the criminal charges against him in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case.
“Defendants currently plan to file on February 22, at minimum, a series of motions to dismiss the Superseding Indictment and certain of the charges therein,” Todd Blanche and Christopher Kise wrote in the newly filed motion, which seeks to extend certain deadlines in the case. The superseding indictment alleges Trump was involved in a scheme to delete security video at Mar-a-Lago, his estate in Palm Beach, Florida.
Trump's legal team added that the defense is "still evaluating potential motions" and that they could relate to presidential immunity, the Presidential Records Act, Trump's security clearances and "selective and vindictive prosecution," among other issues.
Trump’s defense team and prosecutors from special counsel Jack Smith's office have until Feb. 22 to file pretrial motions.
Trump’s lawyers argue in Wednesday’s filing that they should be allowed to file additional motions beyond the deadline based on any additional evidence they receive from the prosecution.
Trump’s team has filed several motions with U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, who's overseeing the case in Florida, seeking orders to compel evidence it claims is in the government’s possession.
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What a dirtbag.
Biden pinned the findings on his staff. “I take responsibility for not having seen exactly what my staff was doing,” he said.
“Things that appeared in my garage, things that came out of my home, things that were moved, were moved not by me, but my staff, but my staff,” he continued.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/02/08/joe-biden-throw-staff-under-bus-lashes-out-reporters-press-conference/?utm_source=referral&utm_medium=offthepress&utm_campaign=home
It's always the same with these scumbags.. George Carlin said it best about politicians and their use of language:
(5:40 onwards but the whole video is worth a watch.)
Just like Carlin says at 7:03 about the use of passive voice such as "mistakes were made", Biden says "things that appeared in my garage".... Because "things" such as classified documents suddenly "appear" in garages... Long after Biden leaves office there will be more revelations about his dirty dealings and at that point the media will again feign ignorance and pretend to be shocked.
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It's always the same with these scumbags.. George Carlin said it best about politicians and their use of language:
(5:40 onwards but the whole video is worth a watch.)
Just like Carlin says at 7:03 about the use of passive voice such as "mistakes were made", Biden says "things that appeared in my garage".... Because "things" such as classified documents suddenly "appear" in garages... Long after Biden leaves office there will be more revelations about his dirty dealings and at that point the media will again feign ignorance and pretend to be shocked.
Carlin was right.
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http://nypost.com/2024/02/08/news/special-counsel-robert-hur-issues-report-on-bidens-mishandling-of-classified-documents/
I suspect this guy is in danger of being in a tragic accident.
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White House allegedly blames Garland for damning Special Counsel claims about Biden: Report
According to Politico, 'This has been building for a while. No one is happy'
By Gabriel Hays Fox News
Published February 10, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/media/white-house-allegedly-blames-garland-damning-special-counsel-claims-biden-report
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Clinton adviser Begala on Hur report: ‘This is terrible for Democrats’
“I think Biden made it worse, no question about it,” Begala said of the president’s press conference.
Clinton adviser says Hur report is 'terrible for Democrats’
By OLIVIA ALAFRIZ
02/09/2024
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/biden-hur-report-democrats-00140715#:~:text=I%20woke%20up%20every%20two,an%20appearance%20Friday%20on%20CNN.
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The Libturds on here would still say he's fine & fully cognitive even as they buried him ::)
The right wing nutcases would come on here and make false claims about what the libturds would say... as seems their pattern. :)
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The right wing nutcases would come on here and make false claims about what the libturds would say... as seems their pattern. :)
Yep & Pedo Biden is 100% Cognitive - Any more talks with Khol or Mitterrand ??
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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What are they hiding?
DOJ will not turn over Biden's recorded interview with Special Counsel Hur, risking contempt of Congress
House Republicans subpoenaed the records from special counsel Robert Hur's investigation
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published April 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-will-not-turn-over-biden-recorded-interview-special-counsel-hur
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The right wing nutcases would come on here and make false claims about what the libturds would say... as seems their pattern. :)
so you think Biden is sharp and on his game ??? serious question.
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What are they hiding?
DOJ will not turn over Biden's recorded interview with Special Counsel Hur, risking contempt of Congress
House Republicans subpoenaed the records from special counsel Robert Hur's investigation
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published April 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-will-not-turn-over-biden-recorded-interview-special-counsel-hur
"...anyway."
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What are they hiding?
DOJ will not turn over Biden's recorded interview with Special Counsel Hur, risking contempt of Congress
House Republicans subpoenaed the records from special counsel Robert Hur's investigation
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published April 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-will-not-turn-over-biden-recorded-interview-special-counsel-hur
...you know...the thing.
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What are they hiding?
DOJ will not turn over Biden's recorded interview with Special Counsel Hur, risking contempt of Congress
House Republicans subpoenaed the records from special counsel Robert Hur's investigation
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published April 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-will-not-turn-over-biden-recorded-interview-special-counsel-hur
The fact that he is mentally gone
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qY1qtumYO/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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What are they hiding?
DOJ will not turn over Biden's recorded interview with Special Counsel Hur, risking contempt of Congress
House Republicans subpoenaed the records from special counsel Robert Hur's investigation
By Brooke Singman Fox News
Published April 8, 2024
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/doj-will-not-turn-over-biden-recorded-interview-special-counsel-hur
What will be done about it? Nothing. When do people start holding the left accountable for their actions?
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What will be done about it? Nothing. When do people start holding the left accountable for their actions?
Not that there is anything to hold us accountable for, but should this ever occur, it will be after our work concludes with the right... which is never. One thing is certain, it is going to take a long time because there is so much to hold you accountable for and you keep piling it on. :)
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Not that there is anything to hold us accountable
I could make a list like Agnostic did, but you would simply deflect, deny and dodge the issues that your kind have created and continue to push.
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I could make a list like Agnostic did, but you would simply deflect, deny and dodge the issues that your kind have created and continue to push.
These creatures don't care for the truth. Let them wallow in their own shit and die at the hands of their pets. No real LEO should ever come to their aid. They made their bed and then shit in it. They are filthy beings.
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These creatures don't care for the truth. Let them wallow in their own shit and die at the hands of their pets. No real LEO should ever come to their aid. They made their bed and then shit in it. They are filthy beings.
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There's something very wrong with their thinking & ideology.
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There's something very wrong with their thinking & ideology.
Irony at it's best
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Irony at it's best
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Phagnostic is busy wiping his gunt, he'll be right back to embarrass his family, hang tight illum...
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Phagnostic is busy wiping his gunt, he'll be right back to embarrass his family, hang tight illum...
I don't know what's going on with AG - I've always had a lot of time
& respect for him - yes we've not always agreed - only he's was reasoned
& sensible, often times I could see his point of view & why.
The whole Donald thing has got to him & unhinged him.
Political affiliations aside he wont admit that Biden is severely mentally
compromised - Fact. That's regardless of age or being a democrat
He's gone - Just as my dad went sure he had his moments of clarity
here & there, he wasn't on the cocktail of drugs Joe's on.
He should use that laser like introspection he uses on Donald
& focus it on Joe. In Fact Forget Donald & focus on Joe & the other
raving lunatics in the Dem party wanting to Fuck everything up.
I hope AG reads this & does Focus on Joe & The other Nutty Dem's
I have a Feeling He won't & just revert back To Trump / Trump / Trump.
The Above also applies to Prime.
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I don't know what's going on with AG - I've always had a lot of time
& respect for him - yes we've not always agreed - only he's was reasoned
& sensible, often times I could see his point of view & why.
The whole Donald thing has got to him & unhinged him.
Political affiliations aside he wont admit that Biden is severely mentally
compromised - Fact. That's regardless of age or being a democrat
He's gone - Just as my dad went sure he had his moments of clarity
here & there, he wasn't on the cocktail of drugs Joe's on.
He should use that laser like introspection he uses on Donald
& focus it on Joe. In Fact Forget Donald & focus on Joe & the other
raving lunatics in the Dem party wanting to Fuck everything up.
I hope AG reads this & does Focus on Joe & The other Nutty Dem's
I have a Feeling He won't & just revert back To Trump / Trump / Trump.
The Above also applies to Prime.
All the TDS'ers here ignore all the libturd madness going on...
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All the TDS'ers here ignore all the libturd madness going on...
Ignore & or act as if its great & improving society which very clearly it is not.
I Keep on asking WTF is wrong with them / how have they become so utterly
Illogical. 🤷🏻♂️
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Thanks for the laughs.
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What will be done about it? Nothing. When do people start holding the left accountable for their actions?
Never. And it certainly will not be the spineless Republicans.
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Never. And it certainly will not be the spineless Republicans.
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He looks like walking death.
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He looks like walking death.
Someone pressed the pause button.
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He looks like walking death.
A walking old nasty vagina.