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George Peterson passes away at age 37 in Orlando, Florida, in his hotel room, days before competing at the 212lb and Under Contest.
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Never heard of him but he looked great.
RIP
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A very impressive bodybuilder. One of the best.
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He did awesome last year and was competing this year in the olympia. WTF are these guys doing to themselves!
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From 3 days ago.
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diuretics?
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Just saw this on RX Muscle on IG. So sad. Met him once. Such a nice dude
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1) Natural Causes
2) Genetic Defect
3) Covid
4) Covid Vaccination
What's missing? Oh yeah...
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diuretics?
Who knows - this is crazy w these dudes. Its like a suicide pact.
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Never heard of him but he looked great.
RIP
x2.
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x2.
He came in second in 212 last year Olympia and was gonna compete this weekend against Clarida.
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The muscle quality, skin texture was great.
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WTF are these guys doing? Dieretics? Is that whats killing them?
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I'd bet good money it was diuretics. I'd call the guys who use them idiots, but the judges keep rewarding extreme conditioning, so they have no choice but to play this deadly game to stay competitive.
Bodybuilding is a pretty perverse sport. It's become a contest of death.
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I'd bet good money it was diuretics. I'd call the guys who use them idiots, but the judges keep rewarding extreme conditioning, so they have no choice but to play this deadly game to stay competitive.
Bodybuilding is a pretty perverse sport. It's become a contest of death.
we havent seen extreme conditioning since the early 2000s
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It most likely wasn't diuretics. Sure he might have started some aldactone but most likely wasn't dehydrated at all yet.
Who knows what it was but peak week is stressful. Drugs at an all time high, stimmed up etc. But we'll see what it was, heart attack or what.
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WTF are these guys doing? Dieretics? Is that whats killing them?
There would be no reason for him to be using a diuretic this far out
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sad news.show was on Friday must be diuretic .thicken the blood may be clotting and cuz cardiac failure.have seen this before..i think IFBB must ban Diuretic.A instant killer.
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It most likely wasn't diuretics. Sure he might have started some aldactone but most likely wasn't dehydrated at all yet.
Who knows what it was but peak week is stressful. Drugs at an all time high, stimmed up etc. But we'll see what it was, heart attack or what.
agree 100% according to dave he already made weight so it wasn't some last minute hocus pocus. Ron Harris mentioned Cardiac Arrest.
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Epitaph:
"He looked good."
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agree 100% according to dave he already made weight so it wasn't some last minute hocus pocus. Ron Harris mentioned Cardiac Arrest.
Do you know when he weighed in? So early? I mean then he might have been dehydrated?
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Apparently this was from a few hours before he passed -
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RIP.
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Some of these deaths could be overdose's. These guys abuse steroids why wouldn't they dabble in narcotics too. Fentanyl is everywhere. It's not just in the heroin either. Now people are overdosing from getting coke that's spiked with it
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agree 100% according to dave he already made weight so it wasn't some last minute hocus pocus. Ron Harris mentioned Cardiac Arrest.
He sucks down from 230 contest weight to 212 and refills back up.
I seriously doubt it wasn't related to diuretic use(or bodily stress from depleting so hard),I'm willing to bet it was something to do with sodium/potassium.
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Wow
PIP
Does anyone know who his 'coach' was..?
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Wow
PIP
Does anyone know who his 'coach' was..?
Guy named Justin Miller -
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/interviews/top-coach-justin-millers-secrets-bodybuilding-success/ .
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Wow
PIP
Does anyone know who his 'coach' was..?
Justin Miller
https://www.instagram.com/astrongspirit/?hl=en
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Do you know when he weighed in? So early? I mean then he might have been dehydrated?
i don't the 212 do compete on Friday so i would guess weigh in would be tomorrow.
According to dave he had blood coming out of his nose? Ron says cardiac
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Anyone know if he was vaccinated?
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Where are the bodies?
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Guy named Justin Miller -
https://www.muscleandfitness.com/athletes-celebrities/interviews/top-coach-justin-millers-secrets-bodybuilding-success/ .
Justin Miller
https://www.instagram.com/astrongspirit/?hl=en
Thanks Fellas - from his IG
astrongspirit
I'm in shock. I'm scared. I'm sad. I'm in disbelief. Freaked out. I'm completely devasted. My hands are trembling as I type this. It feels like a nightmare...but at the same time I know its real.
Ricky @new_england_muscle_media and I just cleaned out George's room to bring his belongings home to his mom and sister. We are so freaked out....Im literally shaking. Can't stop my hands from shaking. Haven't cried yet...just still in shock.
Here is what we know. George looked amazing! Felt amazing! He was so inspiring last night. Said things both on and off camera that gave Ricky and I chills. He was so on point mentally and physically. George was energetic, strong lifting the whole gym last night. Inspired. Passionate. Focused. The best version of George at any contest both mentally and physically I have ever seen.
I went to amateur prejudging early this morning while Ricky worked on the next episode to put it out before tomorrow's press conference.
I arrived back at noon and couldn't reach George. He wouldn't answer his door. We got a security guard to open his room and we found him face down mostly cold. Called 911 and followed their instructions did chest compressions until more security came and took over CPR, followed minutes later by the EMT's.
They couldn't save him....apparently it had been several hours he was gone. I pleaded them to keep trying but eventually they talked me down saying hes been gone for awhile.
I have hundreds of messages and I heard there are reports out in social media of it but I haven't looked yet.
I dont know what to do or say. George was my closest friend. I can't believe he's gone. I just can't believe it.
We dont know what happened. Heart attack? Stroke? We don't know and won't know until his autopsy is completed. He looked and felt healthy and was in great spirits.
I was going to disable comments for obvious reasons and trolls and I may still...but for now I will able them. Please be respectful of this great man and his family.
I wish I knew what to say.
Please keep his soul and his family in your prayers. 🙏
I love you George! ❤
I'll live with you in my heart for the rest of my days on this Earth.
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Great Classic build, looked like he cut a lot of weight to make the class, even filling the body back out afterwards is stressful, like others have said the last week is a killer, especially if start trying to manipulate sodium potassium etc. Real shame he looks way better than the guys in the open Olympia class. RIP.
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1) Natural Causes
2) Genetic Defect
3) Covid
4) Covid Vaccination
What's missing? Oh yeah...
5) Abnormal potassium levels from diuretics
6) Ninjas
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Anyone know if he was vaccinated?
Not saying this was it and we won’t know for awhile what the cause really was, but this was the first thing that came to mind. This has been an usually bad year for bodybuilding deaths in both the pro and amateur levels
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Bodybuilding is war and casualties are to be expected.
His family can be proud he died a warrior's death.
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5) Abnormal potassium levels from diuretics
6) Ninjas
Hyperkalemia can kill instantly. If you are using a potassium sparing diuretic(which many loop diuretics are), then carb up on high potassium foods like sweet potatoes, etc. you can get at least heart arrhythmias and at worst cardiac arrest. Even worse, EMT'S and doctors will give a dehydrated person a potassium and electrolyte I.V., assuming they lost electrolytes with their dehydration and drive them further into hyperkalemia. That is how Momo Benaziza died.
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I followed him on the gram and FB and YouTube. He always seemed like a good guy happy and loved training etc.
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The muscle quality, skin texture was great.
Beetlejuice upped the dose a little too much apparently. Very sad though. RIP.
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Damn, sad to hear. He lived in the New York area and I actually met him twice- not in a gym setting, just randomly. I didn't know who he was the first time, but obviously I could tell he competed. His shoulder to waist ratio was unreal, like to the point where maybe it was too unreal. In our brief interactions, he seemed like a cool person. He achieved an impressive physique, unfortunate that it came at such a cost.
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Bodybuilding is war and casualties are to be expected.
His family can be proud he died a warrior's death.
exactly
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I was literally reading his article in the latest issue of MD less than 10 minutes ago. I went to listen to finish listening to an interview I'd been watching earlier with Shawn Ray and I see the video from Palumbo's Rx Muscle that "Da Bull" was deceased.
Unreal!!
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Let me guess, myocarditis?
I don’t want to make light of this in any way though.
Truly saddening to see people dying on a weekly basis.
When the Covid pandemic was still active it wasn’t nearly as damaging as the “Delta” variant.
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Epitaph:
"He died for you bitches."
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Bodybuilding is war and casualties are to be expected.
His family can be proud he died a warrior's death.
;D
Amen...A true Thongolian was he.
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1) Natural Causes
2) Genetic Defect
3) Covid
4) Covid Vaccination
What's missing? Oh yeah...
This tiger guru ( death face) is advising fans not to listen to experts but to do their own research when it comes to putting stuff in to your body ...
like isn't exactly what bodybuilders do already ?
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WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEE
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This tiger guru ( death face) is advising fans not to listen to experts but to do their own research when it comes to put stuff in to your body ...
like isn't exactly what bodybuilders do already ?
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WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEE
No, following bodybuilding coaches protocols and advice is not the same as following own research and creating own protocols.
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Shawn Ray calls out the gurus - but what about calling out the ifbb and Manion, Weinberger etc.
These guys run the ‘sport’. They set the standards, Weinberger’s the head judge for fks sake. How come every time someone kicks the bucket, that dude shuts up shop and doesn’t say a word?
The sport is run by cowboys. They’ll post a ‘condolences to his family and friends’ etc and then on with show(s).
Would the heads of FIFA, the NFL, NBA etc be so quiet all the time with all their athletes dying?
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Personally everyone should shut the fuck up and quit speculating until the final coroner’s report is complete. Dude just passed this morning, show some respect
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guy used to compete at heavyweight then moved down to 212, maybe he does have to boil down a lot to make weight
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No, following bodybuilding coaches protocols and advice is not the same as following own research and creating own protocols.
It's still their own damn choice ...
In fact, the guy who's favorite to win 212 , (forgot his name) it's mainly because of the coach he has chosen this time around .
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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guy used to compete at heavyweight then moved down to 212, maybe he does have to boil down a lot to make weight
He was classic when he started as a pro. not sure what the weight cut off was for him.
either way i am sure the IFBB will cash out his 401K and retirement savings plan and give it to his loved ones.
At the very least a moment of silence before the 212 warriors take the stage.
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Damn :( He was a great bodybuilder.
What I suspect is that he was planning to come in super dry. Perhaps already started cutting the water and on diuretics. Some clen still in the system, maybe also DNP and EPO and slin. All this when carrying so much muscle - its a very fine line. Possibly caused blood clotting and then boom you are in serious trouble.
My heart goes out to his family.
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Shawn Ray calls out the gurus - but what about calling out the ifbb and Manion, Weinberger etc.
These guys run the ‘sport’. They set the standards, Weinberger’s the head judge for fks sake. How come every time someone kicks the bucket, that dude shuts up shop and doesn’t say a word?
The sport is run by cowboys. They’ll post a ‘condolences to his family and friends’ etc and then on with show(s).
Would the heads of FIFA, the NFL, NBA etc be so quiet all the time with all their athletes dying?
As former Mr. O, Dexter Jackson once said, the judges can only pick from who's on stage. Somebody has to win the show.
And every time the standards get set, the bodybuilders break their neck to dodge those standards. Go back to the 90s. One and done for steroid testing for the IFBB. And if they had any notion of bringing back, Vince McMahon killed that by testing his WBF guys for everything but the kitchen sink.
We always hear "up the dose". But, it ain't so funny when that results in someone kicking the bucket.
You can say there's a difference between use and abuse, when it comes to performance-enhancing drugs. But every generation of bodybuilders thinks the next one is "abusing", while they and their buddies were merely "using" in their day.
Every complaint I hear about steroid abuse now, I heard 25 years ago during the Yates' era. That's why the non-Weider magazines kept plastering its covers with fitness girls (actual and alleged).
In fact, Twinlab morphed MD into "Muscular-Development-Fitness-Health" and later "All-Natural Muscular Development", as a result of all this caterwauling about drugs (particularly after Munzer went home to be with the Lord).
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Good job Aaron, hope you're doing well? ::)
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Not saying this was it and we won’t know for awhile what the cause really was, but this was the first thing that came to mind. This has been an usually bad year for bodybuilding deaths in both the pro and amateur levels
that's the first thing that came to your mind because your brain is broken
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Good job Aaron, hope you're doing well? ::)
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You have a point. I don't remember Weider, Twinlab, or MuscleTech guys kicking the bucket before the O (although Ronnie almost bought it in 2001, as the story goes).
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I've always like Da Bulls' posts on FB and the gram and vibe. He seemed like a really good natured guy and no one ever had a bad thing to say about him. Ever. Sucks this happened.
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Since so close to competition Im guessing sodium/mineral depletion. Watching a video posted here it sounded like he was going to push it for this competition. Shouldn't leave someone alone that is depleted like that anyways.
RIP
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Since so close to competition Im guessing sodium/mineral depletion. Watching a video posted here it sounded like he was going to push it for this competition. Shouldn't leave someone alone that is depleted like that anyways.
RIP
Or Slin shot gone wrong, or overheating from DNP, or multi-organ failure, plenty of options. :)
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Or Slin shot gone wrong, or overheating from DNP, or multi-organ failure, plenty of options. :)
sure, that's why I said Im guessing. It's pure speculation.
Young people have been dropping from just heart issues from high dosage AAS lately so could be that too who knows...
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Personally everyone should shut the fuck up and quit speculating until the final coroner’s report is complete. Dude just passed this morning, show some respect
i bet he doesnt mind
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sure, that's why I said Im guessing. It's pure speculation.
Young people have been dropping from just heart issues from high dosage AAS lately so could be that too who knows...
People have been going crazy with dosages lately. I remember when 1000mg/test per week was considered an extreme amount. These days, it's babby's second cycle, and half of the skinny dorks at the gym are on more than that. :-\
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Personally everyone should shut the fuck up and quit speculating until the final coroner’s report is complete. Dude just passed this morning, show some respect
Guy's a drug addict. Why should he get respect?
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Guy's a drug addict. Why should he get respect?
All speculation. Could have been a bad batch of peach cobbler.
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Since so close to competition Im guessing sodium/mineral depletion. Watching a video posted here it sounded like he was going to push it for this competition. Shouldn't leave someone alone that is depleted like that anyways.
RIP
Back about 10 years ago a friend of mine was helping a pro in a US show and messaged me in a panic, the guy had seized up in massive cramps on his hotel bed. I asked what he had taken. He had taken something called "Star Caps," some kind of "supplement" diuretic that was sold in nutrition stores. I googled a bit and it had been found to contain Bumex, a loop diuretic like Lasix. What could I tell my friend? :D Anyway, my friend found some sodium packets on a hotel staffs tray in the hallway and poured some in the mouth of the pro. The cramps eased up and he went through with the show. :D
"Papaya & Garlic" Lol
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Or Slin shot gone wrong, or overheating from DNP, or multi-organ failure, plenty of options. :)
DNP? I read about that over 20 years ago in MuscleMag. Isn't that an insecticide?
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WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH STEROIDS!!!
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DNP? I read about that over 20 years ago in MuscleMag. Isn't that an insecticide?
It's an amazing drug. Very effective. Can be done very safely. Overdose and you are fucked. But done right it can help a lot. I think it's best done early in prep, saves you a few weeks of dieting. If a pro can't lose that last bit of fat and he hasn't considered DNP he is missing out. DNP can do other things as well like dramatically and quickly increase insulin sensitivity. Reduce visceral fat. And etc.
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People have been going crazy with dosages lately. I remember when 1000mg/test per week was considered an extreme amount. These days, it's babby's second cycle, and half of the skinny dorks at the gym are on more than that. :-\
Haha highly doubt that. Skinny dorks walking around at 1000 mg of test or more, that’s a huge exaggeration
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DNP? I read about that over 20 years ago in MuscleMag. Isn't that an insecticide?
It was used as a component in early explosives and insecticides, it was found that people working with it lost a tremendous amount of weight so by the early 30's it makes its way into diet pills (most famously Redusol), but many users were found to develop cataracts from it, so it gets withdrawn by the mid 1930's and isn't heard from again till -
Nicholas Bachynsky, a diet doctor from Texas (by way of Russia) sets up diet clinics prescribing it to chubby women, he's busted in the late 80's for it, and winds up in the same prison as Dan Duchaine. Bachynsky hips Duchaine to it, and when he gets out, he brings it back to bodybuilding.
Jeff Feliciano, who wrote the drug column for Flex in the mid 90's claims it was used sparingly in the early 80's under the underground name "Hexalon", but most concede that it was Bachynsky and Duchaine that really brought it back to bodybuilding.
Old ads for DNP -
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0039625714000393-gr1.jpg).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1754/42602452532_9c31618f72_b.jpg).
Bachynsky's ad -
(https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2020/03/bachynsky_ad.jpg).
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Wild ^
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It's an amazing drug. Very effective. Can be done very safely. Overdose and you are fucked. But done right it can help a lot. I think it's best done early in prep, saves you a few weeks of dieting. If a pro can't lose that last bit of fat and he hasn't considered DNP he is missing out. DNP can do other things as well like dramatically and quickly increase insulin sensitivity. Reduce visceral fat. And etc.
He's missing out alright.....missing out on a premature date with the Grim Reaper.
It was used as a component in early explosives and insecticides, it was found that people working with it lost a tremendous amount of weight so by the early 30's it makes its way into diet pills (most famously Redusol), but many users were found to develop cataracts from it, so it gets withdrawn by the mid 1930's and isn't heard from again till -
Nicholas Bachynsky, a diet doctor from Texas (by way of Russia) sets up diet clinics prescribing it to chubby women, he's busted in the late 80's for it, and winds up in the same prison as Dan Duchaine. Bachynsky hips Duchaine to it, and when he gets out, he brings it back to bodybuilding.
Jeff Feliciano, who wrote the drug column for Flex in the mid 90's claims it was used sparingly in the early 80's under the underground name "Hexalon", but most concede that it was Bachynsky and Duchaine that really brought it back to bodybuilding.
Old ads for DNP -
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0039625714000393-gr1.jpg).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1754/42602452532_9c31618f72_b.jpg).
Bachynsky's ad -
(https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2020/03/bachynsky_ad.jpg).
So bodybuilders are using a substance used to KILL BUGS and BLOW UP stuff. What could possibly go wrong there? ;D
I have that issue of MMI in my garage. I'll pull it up when I get back from the gym later today.
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If anyone wants to read it, here's Bachynsky's patent for his DNP method, it's got some case studies in it -
Edit - try copy and pasting it into browser, it won't direct link for some reason.
Fixed - https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&s1=4673691.PN. (https://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&s1=4673691.PN.)
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So bodybuilders are using a substance used to KILL BUGS and BLOW UP stuff. What could possibly go wrong there? ;D
Just remember: the dosage determines the poison. Everything can poison and kill you :D
The main worry, as BB said, is the risk of cataracts. It mainly occurred in women going by the literature. But it has been known to occur in men as well, there are cases reported on the forums. In the early days when Duchaine etc were talking about it they used to do like 800mg a day. At that dosage you feel like death. A dose of about 200mg can be done much more comfortably. If done at the beginning of prep for a few weeks it can speed the diet/fat loss by several weeks compared to without it. Now you have more time to dial it in through diet and more benign diet drugs such as clen, thyroid and beta agonists. Each 100mg speeds metabolism by 10% IIRC. I never tried it myself but I have seen kt done to good effect.
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Just remember: the dosage determines the poison. Everything can poison and kill you :D
The main worry, as BB said, is the risk of cataracts. It mainly occurred in women going by the literature. But it has been known to occur in men as well, there are cases reported on the forums. In the early days when Duchaine etc were talking about it they used to do like 800mg a day. At that dosage you feel like death. A dose of about 200mg can be done much more comfortably. If done at the beginning of prep for a few weeks it can speed the diet/fat loss by several weeks compared to without it. Now you have more time to dial it in through diet and more benign diet drugs such as clen, thyroid and beta agonists. Each 100mg speeds metabolism by 10% IIRC. I never tried it myself but I have seen kt done to good effect.
Is it still widely and commonly used today with bbers?
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Is it still widely and commonly used today with bbers?
I don't know how commonly exactly. It's one of those things you forget to mention when talking about your PED use :D
But it's still used because it undoubtably works very well.
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Bachynsky's ad -
(https://quackwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/33/2020/03/bachynsky_ad.jpg).
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Personally everyone should shut the fuck up and quit speculating until the final coroner’s report is complete. Dude just passed this morning, show some respect
i bet he doesnt mind
Brutal.
Guy's a drug addict. Why should he get respect?
Brutal-er.
All speculation. Could have been a bad batch of peach cobbler.
Brutal-est.
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Found it!!! MuscleMag International, April 1997 issue 178, page 34, by Bruce Kneller. I just looked up this magazine a couple of weeks ago for something completely unrelated to this topic. So, it was easy to find.
DYING TO BE RIPPED.....DNP: The latest "Stupid Bodybuilding Trick".
As BB stated, it's been around for nearly 100 years. "It has been studied as an anti obesity drug since the late 1920s and it is by far the most dangerous way to lose fat that is currently available.:
And, I was right about it being an insecticide, "DNP has been--and occasionally still is--used as a spray against aphids and mites, as a fungicide and wood preservative against various molds and mildews, and sometimes as a herbicide."
Does anyone else keep noticing the suffix, CIDE, showing up at the end of some of these words?
I'm no medical expert nor guru. But something with CIDE at the end of it (Oxford Dictionary, "denoting a person or substance that KILLS") usually ain't a good thing.
More from the MuscleMag article.
"An acute reaction due to an overdose of DNP is characterized by a sudden onset of severe symptoms and prompt sudden death (usually within 24 hours)."
And per other portions of this article, it ain't all that friendly to the kidneys, either.
Just saying!!
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Just remember: the dosage determines the poison. Everything can poison and kill you :D
Potentially, that's true. But not everything is DESIGNED nor engineered specifically to kill living organisms, like toothpaste.
DNP was (and is) designed to kill living things (bugs, plants, and molds). So, common sense would say it ain't the best thing in the world for people to ingest, especially for weight loss.
The main worry, as BB said, is the risk of cataracts. It mainly occurred in women going by the literature. But it has been known to occur in men as well, there are cases reported on the forums. In the early days when Duchaine etc were talking about it they used to do like 800mg a day. At that dosage you feel like death. A dose of about 200mg can be done much more comfortably. If done at the beginning of prep for a few weeks it can speed the diet/fat loss by several weeks compared to without it. Now you have more time to dial it in through diet and more benign diet drugs such as clen, thyroid and beta agonists. Each 100mg speeds metabolism by 10% IIRC. I never tried it myself but I have seen kt done to good effect.
Kneeler's article was aptly named, "Dying To Be Ripped".
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RIP.
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Potentially, that's true. But not everything is DESIGNED nor engineered specifically to kill living organisms, like toothpaste.
DNP was (and is) designed to kill living things (bugs, plants, and molds). So, common sense would say it ain't the best thing in the world for people to ingest, especially for weight loss.
Sure, but that's a somewhat simplistic way of looking at it. Potassium is used to execute death row inmates. Stops the heart immediately.
Kneeler's article was aptly named, "Dying To Be Ripped".
I remember when Clenbuterol came onto the scene and Flex mag had a warning article with a similar title. Everyone was going to die, it was the absolute worst thing to ever have been introduced to bodybuilding. Sure, Clen can be harmful but they didn't seem to think of the multitudes of asthmatics who had been on clen for decades, without dying.
Same with insulin. It would kill a lot of bodybuilders. But can we think of even ONE insulin death in bodybuilding? I can't.
There was one fella on professionalmuscle who almost died from DNP poisoning. What happened was was that he had taken some Ambien and had proceeded to swallow a whole bottle of DNP. So was it the DNP or was it the easily procured sleeping pill that was the cause? He blamed the Ambien and went on to use DNP after his very near death experience.
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(https://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/fl/fl1405.jpg).
If anyone is bored, that was the issue of Flex (July 96) where Feliciano talks about his Hexalon (injectable DNP), and how bad it was that DNP was coming back to market.
Feliciano's claim to fame was that he claimed to have access to East German labs and formulas like Bolasterone, Dimethazine, etc....
I forget what the exact mixes were, but a few guys in the know claimed that they were just pre made stacks of various drugs in one bottle, and that they were always over label claims as far as dosing.
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(https://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/fl/fl1405.jpg).
If anyone is bored, that was the issue of Flex (July 96) where Feliciano talks about his Hexalon (injectable DNP), and how bad it was that DNP was coming back to market.
Feliciano's claim to fame was that he claimed to have access to East German labs and formulas like Bolasterone, Dimethazine, etc....
I forget what the exact mixes were, but a few guys in the know claimed that they were just pre made stacks of various drugs in one bottle, and that they were always over label claims as far as dosing.
Yeah I remember they were all fake. Nothing to do with Germany :D Can't recall if Duchaine was somehow involved too?
Duchaine was a counterfeiter. He said he was making counterfeit Anavar in Mexico and they were such good copies he was selling it to US pharmacies :D
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Sure, but that's a somewhat simplistic way of looking at it. Potassium is used to execute death row inmates. Stops the heart immediately.
I remember when Clenbuterol came onto the scene and Flex mag had a warning article with a similar title. Everyone was going to die, it was the absolute worst thing to ever have been introduced to bodybuilding. Sure, Clen can be harmful but they didn't seem to think of the multitudes of asthmatics who had been on clen for decades, without dying.
Same with insulin. It would kill a lot of bodybuilders. But can we think of even ONE insulin death in bodybuilding? I can't.
There was one fella on professionalmuscle who almost died from DNP poisoning. What happened was was that he had taken some Ambien and had proceeded to swallow a whole bottle of DNP. So was it the DNP or was it the easily procured sleeping pill that was the cause? He blamed the Ambien and went on to use DNP after his very near death experience.
That same fella that just blamed Ambien and continued to use DNP also fed his 60-70+ year old parents DNP and other steroids to keep them from getting too fat
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That same fella that just blamed Ambien and continued to use DNP also fed his 60-70+ year old parents DNP and other steroids to keep them from getting too fat
Haha yeah forgot about that. A bit extreme :D
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Yeah I remember they were all fake. Nothing to do with Germany :D Can't recall if Duchaine was somehow involved too?
Duchaine was a counterfeiter. He said he was making counterfeit Anavar in Mexico and they were such good copies he was selling it to US pharmacies :D
Don't know about Duchaine and Feliciano. But Duchaine did the same thing through "Laboratories Milano" some times real, sometimes fake, but real something. Anadrol, "German" Dianabol, Anavar, etc....
There's an old quote from an interview with him that went something like "just try to get them to 2 grams of something, and they'll grow".
I found some of the old "Laboratories Milano" talk he gave in a magazine, I'll post it in a while.
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I found some of the old "Laboratories Milano" talk he gave in a magazine, I'll post it in a while.
MM 2 K May 1996 -
Guru - I was steroid shopping in Tijuana and found some small blue bottles of methandrostenolone made by Ludwig Heun in West Germany. (At least, that’s what the bottle said.) Is this stuff real?
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No. It’s counterfeit. I happen to know the entire history of this counterfeit because I designed the bottle, label, and tablets.
Starting in 1985, I worked closely with a Tijuana pharmaceutical manufacturing company called Laboratory Milano. For many years, Laboratory Milano produced generic medications, primarily antibiotics, for Mexican drugstores. The laboratory was named Milano because the owner, Juan Machlis, purchased all of the raw materials through a procurement company based in Milano, Italy. Whenever a drug was needed, the procurement company would find a source of it and usually charge between 10% to 15% over wholesale cost.
When brand-name Dianabol and generic methandrostenolone were removed from the American market, several companies began making
counterfeit versions, but all of them had problems. Some of the pills were so poorly made and so loosely held together that you could use them as blackboard writing chalk. Others were good but elusive, i.e., hard to find.
About the same time, an Indian crime family based in England began repackaging the Indian Pronabol 5 (methandrostenolone) tablets into
small white bottles and labeled them as if they were from Ludwig Heun GmbH KG, West Germany. This was a very nice product, and I remember going to various hotel rooms near the Los Angeles airport to buy thousands of bottles from a bearded, turbaned old gentleman who looked like a diplomat. But as nice as the product was, I could never depend on consistent shipments.
So I persuaded Laboratory Milano to manufacture methandrostenolone to my specifications. I designed a tiny light blue bottle with a white metal cap. I supplied the Indian/English Ludwig Heun bottle label so Milano could copy it. I picked this label for two reasons: 1) on the black market, the brand had established itself as a good, reliable product, and 2) I wanted to avoid any ties or references to Mexican manufacture simply because, at the time, most steroid users distrusted any Mexican steroid product. The unfounded assertion was that the Mexican drugs were not as potent as the European versions. Besides, calling it “Duchainabol” was out of the question.
Methandrostenolone was the first steroid produced by Laboratory Milano, and we made sure each tablet always contained at least six milligrams of the steroid. The cost for the raw materials and packaging was only $0.50 per unit, but we sold it for $4.50. After that, we made counterfeit versions (always with real steroids in them) of Lemmon testosterone cypionate and Lemmon nandrolone decanoate. This was a screw up on my part because testosterone cypionate and nandrolone decanoate were never made by Lemmon. I unknowingly had
bought counterfeit steroids to duplicate!
The original source of our methandrostenolone was from Germany. We also purchased oxandrolone from Searle in England.This was ironic
because Laboratory Milano and I duplicated the Searle Anavar exactly (the tablet mold cost us $10,000) and sold it for half the cost of what Searle sold it for wholesale to pharmacies. Searle became so frustrated over this (we sold the counterfeit Anavar to American pharmacies) that the Anavar bottle size was doubled to differentiate between ours and theirs.
All the steroid tablets were smuggled in bulk across the border and dropped off at various motel rooms around San Diego. The bottles and labels were made in Tijuana and legally exported to America. Mexican women would count tablets, load them into the bottles, and box them in packages of 100.
I stopped working with Laboratory Milano in the fall of 1986. From that point on, the company cranked up production and flooded the American black market. Just before the arrest of the major “players” (myself included), Laboratory Milano produced some unusual products
which I had designed. One was a methandrostenolone with a diuretic and liver antitoxin added. Others included very powerful injectable versions of oxandrolone and oxymetholone. I can honestly say that these two exotic injectables are the most potent steroids I have ever used.
Since the breakup and prosecution of the Laboratory Milano conspiracy, the company has ceased all operations. Nevertheless, some of the former employees still have the ability to produce the various bottles, labels, and tablets of the various steroids. However, none of these
current counterfeits have any steroid in them, the Ludwig Heun version included. So if you see any European steroid being sold in a Mexican pharmacy, it’s a counterfeit with no active steroid ingredients.
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As an aside, he mentioned over the years that he felt Larry Pacifico was the guy who helped rat him and a lot of the old school dealers out somewhat. Articles and such of the time bear this out, but Larry doesn't seem to have caught much flack for it.
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https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=644978.msg9034298#msg9034298 .
That article has more on Duchaine's early life and Laboratories Milano, starting at reply #45. I'm too lazy to cut and post it. It's a good read if one is bored.
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2021 Olympia honored George on stage with a tribute. Was nice.
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2021 Olympia honored George on stage with a tribute. Was nice.
Well he did in fact die for them so that`s pretty nice....all good now and forgiven. ::)
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2021 Olympia honored George on stage with a tribute. Was nice.
I feeeel they should have a "Died For Us Bitches" Class next year in his honor. 'n' sheit. Kinda sorta like they do at the "Oscars" but with thongs. 'n' sheit.
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Good job Aaron, hope you're doing well? ::)
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Luke killed himself. Not quite the same as the other two
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Luke killed himself. Not quite the same as the other two
Conflicting reports. His friends said it was definately suicide.
But his family said it was not suicide but heart failure, and I would assume they had been shown the obduction report.
So personally I believe the latter.
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Conflicting reports. His friends said it was definately suicide.
But his family said it was not suicide but heart failure, and I would assume they had been shown the obduction report.
So personally I believe the latter.
You don't think his friends at least believe it was suicide? Luke had also talked about his mental problems many times. If they made it up it would be evil, so I have to think they at least thought it was suicide for sure.
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You don't think his friends at least believe it was suicide? Luke had also talked about his mental problems many times. If they made it up it would be evil, so I have to think they at least thought it was suicide for sure.
Possibly. I'll give them that. But also they where really quick to come to that conclusion. I think bodybuilders in general live in a cognitive dissonance on the harmfull effects of gear, always blaming anything but abuse of gear. Like "oh it was hereditary causes", "it was narcotics not gear", "it was suicide" etc. Because ofcourse admitting to themselves that the high dosages is harmful would lead them away from being competetive in the highest levels today.
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Possibly. I'll give them that. But also they where really quick to come to that conclusion. I think bodybuilders in general live in a cognitive dissonance on the harmfull effects of gear, always blaming anything but abuse of gear. Like "oh it was hereditary causes", "it was narcotics not gear", "it was suicide" etc. Because ofcourse admitting to themselves that the high dosages is harmful would lead them away from being competetive in the highest levels today.
At the same time, suicide is still a shameful and stigmatized way to go. You wouldn't make up something like that about a good friend, if that's what they were. Even at this years Olympia they still had tributes to Luke, t-shirts etc.
I still don't know how he died. Heart failure could be a code word for drug OD, as in overdosing on recs or other drugs intentionally. It could even be a medically correct description but drugs in his system left out of the story.
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Four pages of speculation and conjecture placing the blame on something we don’t even what he died from. Except for Strawman who don’t know his ass from a hole in the ground yet takes joy in getting his ass handed to him.
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Four pages of speculation and conjecture placing the blame on something we don’t even what he died from. Except for Strawman who don’t know his ass from a hole in the ground yet takes joy in getting his ass handed to him.
Coroner's reports give the acute cause of death, not the reason for death. Rich Piana's autopsy was "undetermined", Meadows a blood clot, countless others, from Matarazzo to Atwood, heart attacks or heart failure. These all can be natural or genetic in cause. And of course the bodybuilding death deniers will always find some relative of the deceased that had a heart attack or kidney issue and say it was all genetic. McCarver had a heart attack at 26, "ran in his family". Bodybuilding is all about speculation, how to get a look to the human body that does not exist naturally and no doctor or Coroner would have the knowledge to explain. And coaches/gurus speculate all the time with their drug protocols and what they may or may not do. So why not put some speculation into saving bodybuilder's lives?
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Coroner's reports give the acute cause of death, not the reason for death. Rich Piana's autopsy was "undetermined", Meadows a blood clot, countless others, from Matarazzo to Atwood, heart attacks or heart failure. These all can be natural or genetic in cause. And of course the bodybuilding death deniers will always find some relative of the deceased that had a heart attack or kidney issue and say it was all genetic. McCarver had a heart attack at 26, "ran in his family". Bodybuilding is all about speculation, how to get a look to the human body that does not exist naturally and no doctor or Coroner would have the knowledge to explain. And coaches/gurus speculate all the time with their drug protocols and what they may or may not do. So why not put some speculation into saving bodybuilder's lives?
Yep, 100 percent it’s NEVER the drugs, all genetic defects, every single bber has genetic underlying conditions, drugs attribute nothing
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You don't think his friends at least believe it was suicide? Luke had also talked about his mental problems many times. If they made it up it would be evil, so I have to think they at least thought it was suicide for sure.
James Hollingshead Knows - iirc it was he who found him.
I’ve heard from a few that know James & knew Luke That he was a woman beater & had beat his
Girlfriend/ wife that Night & Then Took his own life.
🤷🏻♂️
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James Hollingshead Knows - iirc it was he who found him.
I’ve heard from a few that know James & knew Luke That he was a woman beater & had beat his
Girlfriend/ wife that Night & Then Took his own life.
🤷🏻♂️
Wow :o
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Wow :o
Yes supposedly so.
I will if I remember speak to who told me & see if there’s any confirmable evidence.
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James Hollingshead Knows - iirc it was he who found him.
I’ve heard from a few that know James & knew Luke That he was a woman beater & had beat his
Girlfriend/ wife that Night & Then Took his own life.
🤷🏻♂️
I cannot recall the late bodybuilder that spoke about the nights in some hotel prior to a show, shooting unbelievable amounts of drugs into his body and for what? A
"schmoticipation brophy"?
He felt awful about that reality and perhaps this fellow felt even worse and in a moment of despair decided if he couldn't end the cycle, he would end his existence. At least he harmed no one else and by that I mean physically harmed. I was not mentally harmed by my brothers suicide but our mother was.
You can blame the temper, the anger, the anti-social behavior on the drugs but who took the drugs? Bigorexia be a mofo.
I have known friends that took steroids and they said that physically and mentally it felt like they could move the world. Like they could accomplish anything. And when they went off (as they so wisely did on multiple occasions throughout the years) they felt mentally and physically depleted. Wrung out if you will and it took a while to get out of that pit. I cannot imagine what these men feel like after years of megadosing. Well, actually Dorian gave an idea in one of his interviews online.
It isn't always so but I do think that moderation is the key to health when taking PEDs. But the call of the vial is strong as it is also the siren song of possible victory.
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Conflicting reports. His friends said it was definately suicide.
But his family said it was not suicide but heart failure, and I would assume they had been shown the obduction report.
So personally I believe the latter.
Or maybe he was having a heart attack while committing suicide
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I cannot recall the late bodybuilder that spoke about the nights in some hotel prior to a show, shooting unbelievable amounts of drugs into his body and for what? A
"schmoticipation brophy"?
He felt awful about that reality and perhaps this fellow felt even worse and in a moment of despair decided if he couldn't end the cycle, he would end his existence. At least he harmed no one else and by that I mean physically harmed. I was not mentally harmed by my brothers suicide but our mother was.
You can blame the temper, the anger, the anti-social behavior on the drugs but who took the drugs? Bigorexia be a mofo.
I have known friends that took steroids and they said that physically and mentally it felt like they could move the world. Like they could accomplish anything. And when they went off (as they so wisely did on multiple occasions throughout the years) they felt mentally and physically depleted. Wrung out if you will and it took a while to get out of that pit. I cannot imagine what these men feel like after years of megadosing. Well, actually Dorian gave an idea in one of his interviews online.
It isn't always so but I do think that moderation is the key to health when taking PEDs. But the call of the vial is strong as it is also the siren song of possible victory.
So many factors involved where mental health is concerned.
No doubt certain drugs don’t help mental stability
Likely he had mental health issues to start with & taking PEDs/ Rec Drugs didn’t help.
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RIP... I'm sure this is all because of dehydration protocol pre contest. Extreme dehydration+electrolytes imbalance=heart attack. Same thing happens to marathon runners all the time.
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So many factors involved where mental health is concerned.
No doubt certain drugs don’t help mental stability
Likely he had mental health issues to start with & taking PEDs/ Rec Drugs didn’t help.
Drugs can have an affect on the organs and I think the brain is an organ. My brother was still my brother when he threatened our mom. It was him, but like that old PSA here in America, it was more a matter of "...And this is your brain on drugs". I had no problem putting him away because if he harmed mom, it would've been even worse for him from a mental health standpoint. Reality can sober one up but it can also shock the shit out of you and not in a good way
I've seen only a few of my friends from decades ago that took steroids. All except one were doing fine. The guy that wasn't doing well was finally out of jail but from his attitude I would guess he would be going back sooner rather than later. I never saw him again after that. Hopefully he is doing better.
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Four pages of speculation and conjecture placing the blame on something we don’t even what he died from. Except for Strawman who don’t know his ass from a hole in the ground yet takes joy in getting his ass handed to him.
Hey Coach, have U met BoB Straw @ Olympia ........................ ......... ;D ;D ;D
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Coroner's reports give the acute cause of death, not the reason for death. Rich Piana's autopsy was "undetermined", Meadows a blood clot, countless others, from Matarazzo to Atwood, heart attacks or heart failure. These all can be natural or genetic in cause. And of course the bodybuilding death deniers will always find some relative of the deceased that had a heart attack or kidney issue and say it was all genetic. McCarver had a heart attack at 26, "ran in his family". Bodybuilding is all about speculation, how to get a look to the human body that does not exist naturally and no doctor or Coroner would have the knowledge to explain. And coaches/gurus speculate all the time with their drug protocols and what they may or may not do. So why not put some speculation into saving bodybuilder's lives?
depending on the depth of the autopsy the reason can, in most cases be found. My point is this has been an abnormal year for bodybuilding deaths (or it seems that way). I’m not saying either way what the cause was, it could have very well been pre-contest drug related but the bottom line is that we don’t know but we seem to have a lot of experts on here and other boards that are putting the blame immediately on the coach when, again, we literally have no idea what the cause was.
Samir was probably the most disappointing that I’ve read on Facebook
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Coach, you are rationalizing.
When is the last time you went completely off drugs...no TRT...no nothing...and for how long did you go off?
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depending on the depth of the autopsy the reason can, in most cases be found. My point is this has been an abnormal year for bodybuilding deaths (or it seems that way). I’m not saying either way what the cause was, it could have very well been pre-contest drug related but the bottom line is that we don’t know but we seem to have a lot of experts on here and other boards that are putting the blame immediately on the coach when, again, we literally have no idea what the cause was.
Samir was probably the most disappointing that I’ve read on Facebook
Come on bro - we all love you here other than Straw. George died most likely from severe stress on the heart due to dehydration and other factors etc.
It was not some random genetic thing that waited two days before the Olympia to rear its ugly head.
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Come on bro - we all love you here other than Straw. George died most likely from severe stress on the heart due to dehydration and other factors etc.
It was not some random genetic thing that waited two days before the Olympia to rear its ugly head.
Pure coincidence.
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Come on bro - we all love you here other than Straw. George died most likely from severe stress on the heart due to dehydration and other factors etc.
It was not some random genetic thing that waited two days before the Olympia to rear its ugly head.
I’m not saying it wasn’t I’m just saying let’s wait to find out
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Come on bro - we all love you here other than Straw. George died most likely from severe stress on the heart due to dehydration and other factors etc.
It was not some random genetic thing that waited two days before the Olympia to rear its ugly head.
Maybe he couldn't open his aquafina bottle?
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Maybe he couldn't open his aquafina bottle?
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That too. ;D
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Palumbo doubled down when Dallas died and swore his massive heart attack was influenced by a genetic component.
Genetics - yeah, maybe in his 50’s, hell, in his 40’s we could understand if a non gear abusing Dallas started to have troubles because of bad genetics. But come on Dave, the dude was pinning 10g of gear a week, insulin, ancillarys, massive amounts of food etc…
Palumbo and his broscience needs to be expelled from the BB’ing community. How many ppls health has that pr/ck put at risk over the years?
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Palumbo doubled down when Dallas died and swore his massive heart attack was influenced by a genetic component.
Genetics - yeah, maybe in his 50’s, hell, in his 40’s we could understand if a non gear abusing Dallas started to have troubles because of bad genetics. But come on Dave, the dude was pinning 10g of gear a week, insulin, ancillarys, massive amounts of food etc…
Palumbo and his broscience needs to be expelled from the BB’ing community. How many ppls health has that pr/ck put at risk over the years?
Addict rationalization.
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He had a genetic condition that caused him to choke on his food and die from COVID. Very sad, many such cases.
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How is a steroid user any different from any other drug addict? The rationalization is strong with addicts. Using bodybuilding drugs is a risk to health. Think about all the drugs bodybuilders take. They use anabolic steroids, test, insulin, GH, oil injection, LH hormone, anti estrogens and who knows what else? The stuff is bought from drug dealers so who knows what really in the stuff they take. No there are no real studies involving a large number of illegal drug users monitoring their health stats.
On steroids guys feel confident and aggressive. They have a feeling of well being. Once completely off many get depressed, meek and nervous. That psychological manifestation is a basis for addiction besides their ego being crushed by the quick loss of muscle. Many have to be on testosterone to feel normal in there 40's and 50's. How did we go from just about zero guys in the 60's and 70's taking TRT to a huge population of guys over 40 using? Most steroid guys when they say they are on TRT are on doses no family physician would ever give to a patient. TRT for bodybuilders has become code for lower off season dosing.
I talked to a major bodybuilding legend through the computer. I asked him about his health and he said he had really good insurance and his blood tests are good. It was a short time later he had his fatal heart attack. Did his decades of drug use contribute to his heart attack? Steroid users say a deafening no but logic says hell yes.
I could be dead today from a heart attack. The thing is to mitigate things that are a risk to health.
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How is a steroid user any different from any other drug addict?
Steroid abusers are different from marijuana abusers who are different from cocaine abusers and heroin abusers and meth abusers. The average steroid abuser is a more functional person than a meth head. Marijuana does nothing for me but most pot heads don't rob/kill/steal etc. If they are still holding a job, contributing to society, raising families, not living on the street mooching off of society then I say let them do what they want.
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A big misconception is that some health issue is genetic OR steroid related. It's both. Anabolic steroids cause gene expression at the cellular level. If you don't have certain disease genes, you'll be fine even on high doses of gear. But most people DO have dormant genes that express themselves in one's 70's or 80's. There are millions of people in their 70's that die of heart attacks, heart failure or various cancers. It was genetic, but because they are old we brush it aside and say they died of old age. But when you speed up the process of cell growth, you not only speed up muscle growth but you also can awaken lurking genetic diseases that would not have expressed themselves until you were an old man.
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A big misconception is that some health issue is genetic OR steroid related. It's both.
Absolutely. Like with Dallas' arteries, it doesn't happen to everyone or to the same degree. I think there's a test for plaque buildup, I think called Calcium CT score which many juicers have taken especially recently. Some have been practically been wheeled into surgery immediately (doesn't necessarily produce signs so they were totally unaware). Others have been relieved to find they have zero plaque buildup. Similar levels/durations of juice. I seem to remember John Meadows arteries were perfect, no plaque, he had other issues. Genes affect everything to such a large degree.
On steroids guys feel confident and aggressive. They have a feeling of well being. Once completely off many get depressed, meek and nervous. That psychological manifestation is a basis for addiction besides their ego being crushed by the quick loss of muscle. Many have to be on testosterone to feel normal in there 40's and 50's.
There is also the opposite reaction to coming off. Some feel really at peace since the roids drove a high level of sympathetic tone, leading them to feel constantly on edge. Juicers know how this feels, heightened anxiety, heart rate higher etc. Now after some months zero testosterone will often cause negative psychological effects but some have opted to really minimize their TRT, such as only 10mg a day or 70mg a week. Many get 200mg a week even from fairly conservative docs so 70mg isn't much. But some of these guys feel even 200mg is too much to feel their best psychologically.
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Palumbo doubled down when Dallas died and swore his massive heart attack was influenced by a genetic component.
Genetics - yeah, maybe in his 50’s, hell, in his 40’s we could understand if a non gear abusing Dallas started to have troubles because of bad genetics. But come on Dave, the dude was pinning 10g of gear a week, insulin, ancillarys, massive amounts of food etc…
Palumbo and his broscience needs to be expelled from the BB’ing community. How many ppls health has that pr/ck put at risk over the years?
10grams was only his testosterone dose. That does not include other roids which he took. Probably closer to 15-20 grams total.
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Maybe I'm just not bodybuilding nerdy enough but this is the 1st I've heard of Luke Sandoe being a woman beater. Any links to where I can read more?
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Maybe I'm just not bodybuilding nerdy enough but this is the 1st I've heard of Luke Sandoe being a woman beater. Any links to where I can read more?
I never heard of it before either. But somehow it sounds like something that might be true considering the context. After his death there was a small rift between the family and Sandow's friends wrt how he died. The friends just said it was suicide, simple as, and refused to go into it any more. So something had happened. Did he message his friends before, was there a note? If that story is true it might be a reason for the family to say it was heart failure.
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I never heard of it before either. But somehow it sounds like something that might be true considering the context. After his death there was a small rift between the family and Sandow's friends wrt how he died. The friends just said it was suicide, simple as, and refused to go into it any more. So something had happened. Did he message his friends before, was there a note? If that story is true it might be a reason for the family to say it was heart failure.
England isn’t a big country & London isn’t a millions miles away from where I live , add in that Olympia level bodybuilders are very few + knowing a lot of competitors & judges here + people talk.
It’s not a big inner circle. I cannot 100% confirm that story yet as factual - Though those that I know who are close to Hollingshead who found him say it is.
I know James though not well enough / close enough to ask such questions.