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What is this. I think Dennis Wolf had the same deal.
As seen in Iain. Nerve damage or tears?
2015 quite large and full. Then 2018 starts to retract and get smaller. Then 2020,,, gone.
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I have lost some calf size due to Sciatica last year, I have tight piriformis in the glutes and occasionaly get numbness in my foot, my leg got so bad last year I couldnt get my heel off the floor to do a single leg calf raise, I had to start over with a tension band and extend my toes.
Im back to full strength now but my calves are down in size by about an inch
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I think its nerve damage from site injections.
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I have lost some calf size due to Sciatica last year, I have tight piriformis in the glutes and occasionaly get numbness in my foot, my leg got so bad last year I couldnt get my heel off the floor to do a single leg calf raise, I had to start over with a tension band and extend my toes.
Im back to full strength now but my calves are down in size by about an inch
This quite possibly or likely is the reason now that I look at it. I mean what are the chances both calves are torn at the same time. And they seem to have gone away progressively.
Possibly herniation fron heavy lifting, leading to compressing nerves going to the calf muscles
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I think its nerve damage from site injections.
You mean from site injecting SEO in his calves? It's a possibility I guess.
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Dennis Wolf syndrome - it's also always the "inner calf" that's gone, not the outer part. Funny look.
The only fact that has been established by scientific evidence regarding the matter: Once they're gone, they're gone - and there's no way back :D
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Dennis Wolf syndrome - it's also always the "inner calf" that's gone, not the outer part. Funny look.
The only fact that has been established by scientific evidence regarding the matter: Once they're gone, they're gone - and there's no way back :D
Woah.. that is extreme. It's like completly missing. His quad-teardrops are starting to go away too
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Woah.. that is extreme. It's like completly missing. His quad-teardrops are starting to go away too
I think it's getting worse over time, until basically only the bone and skin are left lol
Ian is going to look the same in a couple of years from now. The funny thing is Dennis Wolf said he never had any injury or pain or anything in his calves, they were just not responding anymore at one point and were getting worse and worse over the years, no matter what he did to them.
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A sign of Palumboism
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Wait.. that dude in the video is the same dude in the pictures above???? Holy hell he's gone to shit if it is!
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Wait.. that dude in the video is the same dude in the pictures above???? Holy hell he's gone to shit if it is!
no, two different people
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This is apparently the guy from the video. Labrada-ish leg structure to begin with. His inner calves are now the shortest distance between his ankles and his knees.
Would be interesting to know the spectrum of issues that this could be caused by.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLvxjpcm/melt.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/nLMdg1Nh/1297-721.jpg)
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holy crap even my calves laugh at that
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A sign of Palumboism
This!
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Even calf king Dorian suffers from the syndrome.
His right gastroc quit.
Yeah it must be compressed nerves.
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This is apparently the guy from the video. Labrada-ish leg structure to begin with. His inner calves are now the shortest distance between his ankles and his knees.
Would be interesting to know the spectrum of issues that this could be caused by.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLvxjpcm/melt.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/nLMdg1Nh/1297-721.jpg)
That's bad. Maybe he damaged some nerves tearing those quads?
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This post from another forum may be the answer.
Thoracodorsal nerve entrapment is very real. I have seen it with my own eyes. The lat doesn't "pull away" from the thoracolumbar fascia, it's just that fibers start to collaspe from the fascia (xmas tree) upwards. So the xmas tree is still technically in the same area, but the lats muscle fibers start to lose innervation down at the ends, and get super flat and thin, basically the same thickness as the fascia itself, so it looks like the xmas tree "spreads".
Have you seen recent pics of Ahmed Haidar? Clearly a bad nerve problem. His is very unique because he not only lost BOTH lower lats and had his xmas tree expand very wide, but he also lost the inside heads of BOTH gastrocs.
To lose both lats and both calves is a severe nerve problem, possibly a co-incidence (two injuries at once) and possibly connected somehow.
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Must be the thoracic nerve. Because just like Dennis Wolf and Ahmed Haidar, Iains lower lats has started to fade away aswell.
https://nerveclinic.co.uk/nerve-conditions/upper-limb/long-thoracic-nerve-palsy
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Something happened to Dorian Yates' calves also. Especially his right calf. There's a chunk missing on the inner right calf.
Arnold's calves also look a lot smaller now. And Arnold's ankles look thicker, like he is holding water in his ankles. Aging is a bitch!
Here is Yates training calves with his daughter.
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This is apparently the guy from the video. Labrada-ish leg structure to begin with. His inner calves are now the shortest distance between his ankles and his knees.
Would be interesting to know the spectrum of issues that this could be caused by.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLvxjpcm/melt.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/nLMdg1Nh/1297-721.jpg)
We've all seen some old random dude with massive Olympian calves that any Mr. O contender would be grateful for. Weird how that works. Dorian Yates had great calves and now even with training they are way down in size and would look small next to some random old dude with massive calves. I am wondering if Yates injected some stuff into his calves like Esiclene a few days before a big contest. He should not have lost that much size in his calves - especially if he kept up training them.
Eddie Hall's calves look fantastic these days. Hafthor Bjornson also has great calves. I think Eddie's calves were measured over 22". I can believe that. My own calves peaked at around 19-19.5" at a weight of around 300lbs. I am still aiming for 20" one day.
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Ahmed Haidar. In the end of his competetive career lost his lats and inner calves. Just like Iain And Wolf.
I think we can now put a nail in this coffin and point out that it's the Thoracic nerve.
Ahmed:
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Dennis:
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Now, it would be interesting to know what causes this nerve to stop "working". Impingment(likely from disc herniation), blunt force damage, or some kind of disease.
The thoracic nerves has roots in/originates from the C5, C6 and C7 in the neck.
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My best guess would now be herniation in the discs somewhere of the C5, C6, C7 in the neck.
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His thighs are bigger. I bet his calves are the same measurement.
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This is apparently the guy from the video. Labrada-ish leg structure to begin with. His inner calves are now the shortest distance between his ankles and his knees.
Would be interesting to know the spectrum of issues that this could be caused by.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLvxjpcm/melt.jpg)(https://i.postimg.cc/nLMdg1Nh/1297-721.jpg)
Why would he even get on stage looking like that?
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His thighs are bigger. I bet his calves are the same measurement.
Nope. You just have a bad eye for human anatomy. The medial gastrocnemius has alot of athropy.
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Dennis Wolf syndrome - it's also always the "inner calf" that's gone, not the outer part. Funny look.
The only fact that has been established by scientific evidence regarding the matter: Once they're gone, they're gone - and there's no way back :D
I would rather have my shitty leg development or lack thereof instead of this guys legs.......GEEZUS he may as well just give it up...................... .............his legs just look bad.
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We've all seen some old random dude with massive Olympian calves that any Mr. O contender would be grateful for. Weird how that works. Dorian Yates had great calves and now even with training they are way down in size and would look small next to some random old dude with massive calves. I am wondering if Yates injected some stuff into his calves like Esiclene a few days before a big contest. He should not have lost that much size in his calves - especially if he kept up training them.
Eddie Hall's calves look fantastic these days. Hafthor Bjornson also has great calves. I think Eddie's calves were measured over 22". I can believe that. My own calves peaked at around 19-19.5" at a weight of around 300lbs. I am still aiming for 20" one day.
eat more, get up to say 350 lbs. that should do it.
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I think its nerve damage from site injections.
This, srs
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I am no expert but has to be some kind of nerve damage. You can clearly see it on Dorian something went wrong on his right side we all know he didn't use to look like that
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Something happened to Dorian Yates' calves also. Especially his right calf. There's a chunk missing on the inner right calf.
I already posted that pic above :D
But yeah, Dorian has some nerve problem now and he doesn't even lift weights anymore really.
I damaged a nerve somewhere while lying in hosptital on a ventilator for 3 weeks. Lost sensation on my thigh. Doc said it usually resolves in time, but may take many months.
I've lifted shit heavy for decades. I counted one 12 year period where I deadlifted at least 660lbs from the floor every single week. So far my I haven't had my gastrocs die on me but I must have disc bulges etc.
So many pro bbers with this problem. A few maybe damaged them with site injections. Ronnie had a pretty flat looking castroc at times, Dexter too but I think in the majority of the cases it's a nerve problem.
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I already posted that pic above :D
But yeah, Dorian has some nerve problem now and he doesn't even lift weights anymore really.
I damaged a nerve somewhere while lying in hosptital on a ventilator for 3 weeks. Lost sensation on my thigh. Doc said it usually resolves in time, but may take many months.
I've lifted shit heavy for decades. I counted one 12 year period where I deadlifted at least 660lbs from the floor every single week. So far my I haven't had my gastrocs die on me but I must have disc bulges etc.
So many pro bbers with this problem. A few maybe damaged them with site injections. Ronnie had a pretty flat looking castroc at times, Dexter too but I think in the majority of the cases it's a nerve problem.
Definate nerve problem. And like I wrote I'm pretty confident it's the Thoracic nerve now. Because that nerve affects the gastrocs and the lats. Which are all affected in these guys. Look at the pic of Dennis Wolfs last contest from 2018 where its very apparent.
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Bodybuilders like Coleman, A Baker, Pearson, Wheeler, D Jackson , Ferrig... etc... all appeared to have some type of Calf Assist™ which most of them seemed to have removed later on or they 'dissipated' on their own, depending on what was in their calves. Coleman, Wheeler(see last contest), and Jackson ended up with the inner Calf Melt©, whereas Pearson seemed to go back to his original calves, small, but inner calves intact, possibly due to 'mere' implants and not muscle-deforming oils.
Roland Cziurlock had good calves but later on lost the 'good calf genetics' look in favor of larger, calf-diminishing inner knees, possibly the lower sartorius picking up the slack for inner calves due to postural issues. Cziurlock did not, however, suffer from inner Calf Melt©.
JP F*x lost his full calf look and ended up with more awkward calves after his squat mishap.
Gunter Schlierkamp seems to now have inner Calf Melt©, although he always had an awkward knee/calf posture, reminiscent of C. Schwarzenegger, sans adipose tissue and non-tapering ankles:
(https://i.postimg.cc/1tZjW9fK/guntt.jpg)
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Genuinely fascinating thread 8)
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eat more, get up to say 350 lbs. that should do it.
Lol yeah I am sure that would get them to 20". And I would reach 350 lbs easy if I started eating like Eddie, Thor and Shaw. I eat a fraction of what they ingest. Of course I am not ripped at those weights but neither are they. I am trying to lose weight. I was 292 lbs two nights ago. Getting the calves to 20" would be really tough while losing weight. But they will probably look better at a lower bodyfat even if they are smaller. Steve Reeves had 18" calves and they looked really good on his frame.
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Dennis could get his calves and legs to grow with just 1 set of upright rows.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=534605.0;attach=563240;image)
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Dennis could get his calves and legs to grow with just 1 set of upright rows.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=534605.0;attach=563240;image)
Hahahaha! If that's not your work and it really did make it into print then that's hilarious!! ;D ;D
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Ahmed Haidar. In the end of his competetive career lost his lats and inner calves. Just like Iain And Wolf.
I'm sure Haider's embarrassed by it, he's always in track pants, and when posts end of career pics or current shots he crops them mid quad. It's interesting in a weird way.
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Also just because I hadn't seen it before, Haider and Samir schmoing out a little in 98 -
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Real pic
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Real pic
Not to be rude or anything but that just looks like a result of the typical cousin marriages that is so prevalent there
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Ramys lower lats are taking a hike aswell it seems
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I already posted that pic above :D
But yeah, Dorian has some nerve problem now and he doesn't even lift weights anymore really.
I damaged a nerve somewhere while lying in hosptital on a ventilator for 3 weeks. Lost sensation on my thigh. Doc said it usually resolves in time, but may take many months.
I've lifted shit heavy for decades. I counted one 12 year period where I deadlifted at least 660lbs from the floor every single week. So far my I haven't had my gastrocs die on me but I must have disc bulges etc.
So many pro bbers with this problem. A few maybe damaged them with site injections. Ronnie had a pretty flat looking castroc at times, Dexter too but I think in the majority of the cases it's a nerve problem.
That is some serious weight and for a 12 year period is amazing. On a ventilator due to covid?
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Real pic
https://www.instagram.com/p/CT9R67sjkG0/ .
I got curious, this guy had Polio as a kid. It's interesting that he has basically not much upper leg, but relatively great calves. There were a few Olympic lifters with Polio years ago, Doug Hepburn being the most famous, but they just had withered calves.
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That is some serious weight and for a 12 year period is amazing. On a ventilator due to covid?
Yes Covid hit me hard. Very unpleasant experience.
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Dennis Wolf syndrome - it's also always the "inner calf" that's gone, not the outer part. Funny look.
The only fact that has been established by scientific evidence regarding the matter: Once they're gone, they're gone - and there's no way back :D
Geez...
Was unaware of that condition.
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Bump for this old thread.
Nick Trigili seems to have caught on to this syndrome aswell. Maybe he read my thread who knows..
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I tore my calve. It popped doing heavy standing calve raises. My calves will never be the same. They look alike like ians
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I tore my calve. It popped doing heavy standing calve raises. My calves will never be the same. They look alike like ians
the reoccuring theme here is that these bodybuilders lose their lats And calves. Not just calves. It's a nerve impingement/or damage- issue...
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Genuinely fascinating thread 8)
x2 really enjoyed it
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Nerve damage. My disc at C7 slid right and impacted the brachial plexus. Complete pressing strength loss on that side literally overnight. I went from benching like 365 on incline to not being able to do a push-up. Complete atrophy on that right side within 6 weeks. This was in April 2019, I had the neck fused at that level. Strength is back to maybe 50% of what it was but the size difference is noticeable. Pulling strength stayed intact. Legs are f-cked too. I can’t even do a seated calf raise with zero weight on my right side. It sucks, 30 years in the gym now in the trash for the most part. I’m one of the old guys on machines now.
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Not to be rude or anything but that just looks like a result of the typical cousin marriages that is so prevalent there
Or his suicide bombing didn't go as expected.
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My L-1 has always been herniated on/off caused by a minor spinal-curve (from birth). Like minor scoliosis.
So from that curvature, it presses oddly on one side of it, causing the other side to bulge outward.
Its normally fine when not compressed (which I happen to do to it weekly w/ SQ's and DL's).
The pain has always been manageable but getting a bit worse w/ age. Made me break out the inversion-table again lately.
(And back off the heavy SQ/DL).
As far as nerve damage and muscle damage, never noticed any. Maybe too chubby to notice and/or not muscular enough to have it happen.
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It can be devastating to ones image.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bjMAAOSwD0phCmD5/s-l500.jpg)
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Isn't that just where the pages are skewed and its a photo of a photo?
Dennis could get his calves and legs to grow with just 1 set of upright rows.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=534605.0;attach=563240;image)
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Isn't that just where the pages are skewed and its a photo of a photo?
I remember the mag, they shopped one and not the other
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Ha, ridiculous
I remember the mag, they shopped one and not the other
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It's due to overtraining, srs