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Title: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: djliftsthings on October 15, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
at 55 now Im horribly unflexible. I can barely touch my knees let along my toes. Im thinking of getting into yoga for flexibility and thinking it may improvement heart health and overall health. Any geezers my age who are flexible and can comment on the benefits of it?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Grape Ape on October 15, 2021, 04:56:37 PM
Despite working out regularly, I am in the same boat and am completely inflexible.

I hate the feeling of stretching more than any other workout discomfort.

The times I have keyed on it for a short time - foam rolling, dynamic warmup stuff, I feel my form greatly improves.

Then I get lazy with it and stop.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Rambone on October 15, 2021, 05:04:47 PM
Ever try DDP yoga? It has helped some very inflexible people
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: djliftsthings on October 15, 2021, 05:18:12 PM
Ever try DDP yoga? It has helped some very inflexible people

too much commitment. I can focus for about 11 minutes then Im off on another planet
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Rambone on October 15, 2021, 05:23:57 PM
too much commitment. I can focus for about 11 minutes then Im off on another planet

What about 8 Minute Abs?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Van_Bilderass on October 15, 2021, 05:24:36 PM
I'm really unflexible. I don't know if there are health benefits to flexibility. I know you don't want too much of it either.

One thing I've learned through my readings is that stretching basically does nothing to muscle or tendons really, they certainly don't get "longer." What happens with stretching when flexibility is increased is an adaptation in the nervous system instead. You kind of desensitize to the resistance to stretch, you don't feel the pain.

I get about half the range on the adductor machines compared to others in the gym. This is the machine that gives me the most uncomfortable DOMS out of all when I go back to it. I always make the mistake of going too hard. In pain, hard to walk, last time I was almost feverish the next day lol.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: djliftsthings on October 15, 2021, 05:29:35 PM
What about 8 Minute Abs?

what are these abs you speak of?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 15, 2021, 06:36:51 PM
Most people think of flexibility with the legs. Many guys who body build and bench tend to have very inflexible shoulder joints, elbows and hands. This leads to a high injury potential lifting.

 I also have problems with flexibility. I went on an extensive shoulder program to gain flexibility in the joint awhile back. There are so many movements.  I think I was doing six shoulder related stretches at one point. I drifted away from it when my shoulder got better but truth be told I should have stayed with it. Most guys with shoulder issues only work the rotator cuff muscles and that's a good thing. They would be so much better off if they worked on their shoulder flexibility too.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Spike on October 15, 2021, 07:07:27 PM
flexibility is conditioning

the more you do it - the better you respond - i just can’t bring myself to stretch everyday - i’m a loser who has to work often 

hips and shoulders are key - you can pay people to stretch you now at specific places(like StretchZone) - never tried it but makes sense

I would rather pay someone to stretch me than some trainer - BUT there is no real certification, yet, maybe like some physio type 
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Marty Champions on October 15, 2021, 08:14:08 PM
Ill pick a certain yoga and do it to failure like everything else after .
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 15, 2021, 08:29:14 PM
Forced yoga - Parillo style - is the key.

Weider Overhead Glute Hams Anus To Moon pose helped Platz out tremendously too
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Al Doggity on October 15, 2021, 08:31:08 PM
Despite working out regularly, I am in the same boat and am completely inflexible.

I hate the feeling of stretching more than any other workout discomfort.

The times I have keyed on it for a short time - foam rolling, dynamic warmup stuff, I feel my form greatly improves.

Then I get lazy with it and stop.

Consider stretching separately from working out. I stopped doing a stretching warm up because I came to the conclusion it didn't really do anything other than add time to my workout when I just wanted to pick shit up and put it down. I started full body stretching last year before bed and I feel it has helped me more than pre-workout stretching ever did.  More importantly, because it wasn't a pre-workout chore, I was able to be consistent with it. I would also suggest not trying to kill yourself, just acknowledge your body's limits and go very slightly  beyond that.  IMO consistency is the most important thing .
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: obsidian on October 15, 2021, 09:19:14 PM
at 55 now Im horribly unflexible. I can barely touch my knees let along my toes. Im thinking of getting into yoga for flexibility and thinking it may improvement heart health and overall health. Any geezers my age who are flexible and can comment on the benefits of it?
Are you taking fish oil, glucosamine and all the other usual supplements? It also helps stretching often. In the shower, at the gym between sets, when making coffee or tea in the kitchen. Bend down and try touching your toes often. Also exercise your core. Good mornings, hyper extensions, sit-ups...
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: CalvinH on October 15, 2021, 09:31:18 PM
At least 6 or 7 days a week when I get up in the morning. doesn't take me long, maybe 5 minutes and mostly lower body especially hamstrings.
Makes all the difference in the world for me. I use to play golf then be sore for two days, any kind of working around the house where I'd be bent over
{No homo} and I'd be in pain for a day and now I'm fine the next day.
I do 10 sec stretches, arms over head as high as I can, arms stretched wide from shoulder length, right arm across my chest braced by my left and then do the same with the opposite arm.
Standing and holding one foot up behind my back,then foot in back at a angle towards my knee,then foot in front at a angle towards my knee,then opposite leg.
Put one leg straight across on a couch or chair and lean forward towards it then the same with the other leg.
Try to lean down and touch my toes in a relaxed position, then when warmed up really try to stretch by putting my hands behind my calf's and pulling my lower body down while keeping my legs straight.
While facing forward and spreading my legs wide {Again no homo} lean to one side and try touch my toes then do the other leg.

Reads like it's a lot but it doesn't take much time a all.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: djliftsthings on October 15, 2021, 09:42:29 PM
At least 6 or 7 days a week when I get up in the morning. doesn't take me long, maybe 5 minutes and mostly lower body especially hamstrings.
Makes all the difference in the world for me. I use to play golf then be sore for two days, any kind of working around the house where I'd be bent over
{No homo} and I'd be in pain for a day and now I'm fine the next day.
I do 10 sec stretches, arms over head as high as I can, arms stretched wide from shoulder length, right arm across my chest braced by my left and then do the same with the opposite arm.
Standing and holding one foot up behind my back,then foot in back at a angle towards my knee,then foot in front at a angle towards my knee,then opposite leg.
Put one leg straight across on a couch or chair and lean forward towards it then the same with the other leg.
Try to lean down and touch my toes in a relaxed position, then when warmed up really try to stretch by putting my hands behind my calf's and pulling my lower body down while keeping my legs straight.
While facing forward and spreading my legs wide {Again no homo} lean to one side and try touch my toes then do the other leg.

Reads like it's a lot but it doesn't take much time a all.

this is really great and doable for me

seems pretty homo to me though, but hey, nothing wrong with that
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Grape Ape on October 15, 2021, 10:06:06 PM
Consider stretching separately from working out. I stopped doing a stretching warm up because I came to the conclusion it didn't really do anything other than add time to my workout when I just wanted to pick shit up and put it down. I started full body stretching last year before bed and I feel it has helped me more than pre-workout stretching ever did.  More importantly, because it wasn't a pre-workout chore, I was able to be consistent with it. I would also suggest not trying to kill yourself, just acknowledge your body's limits and go very slightly  beyond that.  IMO consistency is the  most important thing .

Very sound advice / i will move the stuff I use to the bedroom and give this a shot.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Never1AShow on October 15, 2021, 10:25:18 PM
Where are the pictures of Brutal Bertil Fox?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: TheFranchise on October 16, 2021, 12:06:01 AM
NFL is c’unts for blocking the video on here but the vids are around 10 min and 20 min each.



Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: oldtimer1 on October 16, 2021, 04:50:13 AM
Sprinters rarely do static stretches because it makes them slower and takes away power.  Watch how sprinters stretch before a race. They use ballistic bouncing stretches that "experts" say is bad. It sure works for them.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 16, 2021, 04:52:19 AM
What about 8 Minute Abs?
7 Minute Abs is even better.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Rambone on October 16, 2021, 04:58:54 AM
7 Minute Abs is even better.

No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart going
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: wes on October 16, 2021, 05:08:38 AM
Shit,it`s comical even to me to attempt to reach my feet to put on my socks.   ;D

For years I have vowed to stretch after I trained,but after working out hard,then doing at least 30 minutes of cardio,I would just say fuck it.....now I`m like the friggion` Tin Man from Oz !!

Gonna` try Clavins method starting today before I lose the ability to even move......thanks Clavin !!
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: joswift on October 16, 2021, 05:26:46 AM
makes sense to stretch after a workout when you are fully warmed up
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Taffin on October 16, 2021, 05:30:37 AM
No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart going

 ;D

Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: bhank on October 16, 2021, 05:32:45 AM
You should be able to put your palms on the ground and grab the back of your ankles bending over straight your forehead should touch your knees. Having a 50lb tire around your midsection is going to hurt your flexibility. You want to be more flexible lose 75lbs. I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have a herniated disc and whiplash from a dozen car wrecks. I can still grab the back of my ankles.

Take a yoga class after half a dozen classes you will know which stretches work for you and you can do them at home
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Taffin on October 16, 2021, 05:37:41 AM
flexibility is conditioning

the more you do it - the better you respond - i just can’t bring myself to stretch everyday - i’m a loser who has to work often 

hips and shoulders are key - you can pay people to stretch you now at specific places(like StretchZone) - never tried it but makes sense

I would rather pay someone to stretch me than some trainer - BUT there is no real certification, yet, maybe like some physio type

There's a joke there about gaping that I'm not going to make in a serious BB related thread...  (trying to be a better man)


Forced yoga - Parillo style - is the key.

Weider Overhead Glute Hams Anus To Moon pose helped Platz out tremendously too

Gah!  I'm only human!!!... ;D

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Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Never1AShow on October 16, 2021, 05:42:30 AM
You should be able to put your palms on the ground and grab the back of your ankles bending over straight your forehead should touch your knees. Having a 50lb tire around your midsection is going to hurt your flexibility. You want to be more flexible lose 75lbs. I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have a herniated disc and whiplash from a dozen car wrecks. I can still grab the back of my ankles.

Take a yoga class after half a dozen classes you will know which stretches work for you and you can do them at home

"whiplash from a dozen car wrecks"?  You paying your bills with some kind of insurance scam?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Taffin on October 16, 2021, 05:48:48 AM
You should be able to put your palms on the ground and grab the back of your ankles bending over straight your forehead should touch your knees. Having a 50lb tire around your midsection is going to hurt your flexibility. You want to be more flexible lose 75lbs. I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have a herniated disc and whiplash from a dozen car wrecks. I can still grab the back of my ankles.

Take a yoga class after half a dozen classes you will know which stretches work for you and you can do them at home

Surely this sort of thing must be like a bat-signal for ESFitness?!?  I just don't understand how he's overcoming the urge to come and top bhanky ???
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: bhank on October 16, 2021, 05:51:44 AM
"whiplash from a dozen car wrecks"?  You paying your bills with some kind of insurance scam?

I race Dirt Cars
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: pamith on October 16, 2021, 07:28:05 AM
You have to stretch everyday, also stop lifting for 2 months
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Al Doggity on October 16, 2021, 10:27:06 AM
Very sound advice / i will move the stuff I use to the bedroom and give this a shot.

Thank you.

Hope it's beneficial to you, bro. One other thing that I'll mention is that I added stretching back specifically for lower body flexibility, knee pain and lower back pain.  The two best things I've found are just static holds in a squat position that is slightly below comfortable and a static hold in a bending position (like trying to touch your toes) that is slightly past comfortable.   Was feeling a difference right after the first time I did these.  I don't know if you would consider those stretching, but not too long ago my idea of stretching was stuff that elongated the muscle, but it has switched to just getting  my body comfortable in position that cause my pain or discomfort.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Rambone on October 16, 2021, 01:16:53 PM
;D



Such a great movie my bro!
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: IroNat on October 16, 2021, 01:40:55 PM
at 55 now Im horribly unflexible. I can barely touch my knees let along my toes. Im thinking of getting into yoga for flexibility and thinking it may improvement heart health and overall health. Any geezers my age who are flexible and can comment on the benefits of it?

Take a few minutes throughout the day trying to touch your toes.

Simple.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 16, 2021, 03:18:59 PM
No! No, no, not 6! I said 7. Nobody's comin' up with 6. Who works out in 6 minutes? You won't even get your heart going
;D
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2021, 02:14:38 AM
I race Dirt Cars

What kind of car is that? Specs?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2021, 02:25:09 AM
"Dynamic stretching" before working out. Swinging your legs back and forth from the front and back, side to side, touching toes up and down, swinging your arms overhead...

Do not do static stretching before training. When you elongate the muscle it is less stable and weaker. Think of a stretched-out rubber band. It's weaker due to less internal tension. There's a trade-off between mobility and stability. Shoulders are a very mobile joint compared to the elbow, but it is also more prone to injury.

Van B, as always, is right. It's not so much the muscle itself but the nervous system that is the limiting factor. Josh would be able to easily do a full split once he dies. But there is a reason and purpose why your body places limits on how much it will allow your muscles to stretch. Older muscle tissue is not as supple as young muscle.

Static stretching is best after a workout.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Humble Narcissist on October 17, 2021, 02:40:33 AM
"Dynamic stretching" before working out. Swinging your legs back and forth from the front and back, side to side, touching toes up and down, swinging your arms overhead...

Do not do static stretching before training. When you elongate the muscle it is less stable and weaker. Think of a stretched-out rubber band. It's weaker due to less internal tension. There's a trade-off between mobility and stability. Shoulders are a very mobile joint compared to the elbow, but it is also more prone to injury.

Van B, as always, is right. It's not so much the muscle itself but the nervous system that is the limiting factor. Josh would be able to easily do a full split once he dies. But there is a reason and purpose why your body places limits on how much it will allow your muscles to stretch. Older muscle tissue is not as supple as young muscle.

Static stretching is best after a workout.
You must have read Stretching Scientifically by Thomas Kurz.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2021, 02:44:17 AM
You must have read Stretching Scientifically by Thomas Kurz.

Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: ProudVirgin69 on October 17, 2021, 03:22:40 AM
I'm really unflexible. I don't know if there are health benefits to flexibility. I know you don't want too much of it either.

One thing I've learned through my readings is that stretching basically does nothing to muscle or tendons really, they certainly don't get "longer." What happens with stretching when flexibility is increased is an adaptation in the nervous system instead. You kind of desensitize to the resistance to stretch, you don't feel the pain.

I get about half the range on the adductor machines compared to others in the gym. This is the machine that gives me the most uncomfortable DOMS out of all when I go back to it. I always make the mistake of going too hard. In pain, hard to walk, last time I was almost feverish the next day lol.

Several studies show a link between flexibility and cardiovascular health & mortality.  Stretching seems to reduce arterial stiffness, leading to lower blood pressure and all that.

Not stretching just turns you into an old man that grunts when he has to pick something up off the floor
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: King Shizzo on October 17, 2021, 03:56:59 AM
You should be able to put your palms on the ground and grab the back of your ankles bending over straight your forehead should touch your knees. Having a 50lb tire around your midsection is going to hurt your flexibility. You want to be more flexible lose 75lbs. I have had 7 orthopedic surgeries I have a herniated disc and whiplash from a dozen car wrecks. I can still grab the back of my ankles.

Take a yoga class after half a dozen classes you will know which stretches work for you and you can do them at home
I bet you can still grab the back of your ankles.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: bhank on October 17, 2021, 04:58:34 AM
I bet you can still grab the back of your ankles.

Yes it is called flexibility every athlete can do it. Yoga is no where near as gay as you actually sucking cock. Meanwhile we all know you can't because like the OP you are carrying an extra 50-75lbs of fat and are not even close to athletic
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Taffin on October 17, 2021, 05:14:30 AM
Yes it is called flexibility every athlete can do it. Yoga is no where near as gay as you actually sucking cock. Meanwhile we all know you can't because like the OP you are carrying an extra 50-75lbs of fat and are not even close to athletic

Brutal...

...ly funny ;D
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: King Shizzo on October 17, 2021, 05:21:18 AM
Yes it is called flexibility every athlete can do it. Yoga is no where near as gay as you actually sucking cock. Meanwhile we all know you can't because like the OP you are carrying an extra 50-75lbs of fat and are not even close to athletic
Im actually a natural athlete. Football, baseball, and basketball. With basketball, I can shoot and play defense. Can't dribble worth a shit, so basically, I'm not good at creating my own shot off of a dribble. I'm a set shooter.

As far as football  and baseball....I had a world class arm. That is something you are born with.

Whenever I would throw a baseball or a football, people would want me to be a pitcher or quarterback. 

I liked playing 3rd, or in the outfield. I was one of the best hitters on my team.

For football, I played both ways in high school. 

I will always regret not giving it my all, when it came to sports. I loved it, and most of it came naturally to me.

To put it plain and simple...I quit on myself.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: King Shizzo on October 17, 2021, 05:30:30 AM
 Why is "grabbing the back of your ankles" a sign of flexibility? It literally takes no effort for most people to grab their ankles.

I don't get it. What are we comparing ourselves to, 90 year olds, or people that weigh 500 pounds?

Grabbing your ankles isn't an accomplishment.

Unless your gay, then it deserves a parade, a holiday, and a #metoo.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: joswift on October 17, 2021, 06:38:38 AM
Im actually a natural athlete. Football, baseball, and basketball. With basketball, I can shoot and play defense. Can't dribble worth a shit, so basically, I'm not good at creating my own shot off of a dribble. I'm a set shooter.

As far as football  and baseball....I had a world class arm. That is something you are born with.

Whenever I would throw a baseball or a football, people would want me to be a pitcher or quarterback. 

I liked playing 3rd, or in the outfield. I was one of the best hitters on my team.

For football, I played both ways in high school. 

I will always regret not giving it my all, when it came to sports. I loved it, and most of it came naturally to me.

To put it plain and simple...I quit on myself.

What about the dribble down your chin?
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: LurkerNoMore on October 17, 2021, 06:54:26 AM
Yes it is called flexibility every athlete can do it. Yoga is no where near as gay as you actually sucking cock. Meanwhile we all know you can't because like the OP you are carrying an extra 50-75lbs of fat and are not even close to athletic

Nominating this quote for the GB Quote Hall Of Fame.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: bhank on October 17, 2021, 07:38:36 AM
Why is "grabbing the back of your ankles" a sign of flexibility? It literally takes no effort for most people to grab their ankles.

I don't get it. What are we comparing ourselves to, 90 year olds, or people that weigh 500 pounds?

Grabbing your ankles isn't an accomplishment.

Unless your gay, then it deserves a parade, a holiday, and a #metoo.

Since you don't stretch you don't understand you do this without bending the knees from a standing position its like putting your palms flat on the ground it is a further stretch than touching your toes
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: King Shizzo on October 17, 2021, 08:02:27 AM
Since you don't stretch you don't understand you do this without bending the knees from a standing position its like putting your palms flat on the ground it is a further stretch than touching your toes
I can do that easily. Being flexible, is being able to do a split, or those contortionists that wrap limbs around their necks. Not touching toes.  ::)
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: irishdave on October 17, 2021, 03:29:35 PM
The most important thing for longevity imo:

Sauna, steam room after training

Infrared and near infrared light

Yoga/Pilates

I want to be still doing splits at 60
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Rambone on October 17, 2021, 03:49:19 PM
The most important thing for longevity imo:

Sauna, steam room after training

Infrared and near infrared light

Yoga/Pilates

I want to be still doing splits at 60

I’ve always thought that the sauna and steam room after training is a bad idea. Your body temperature is already elevated and can increase it into the danger zone for stroke. PIP Zyzz
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: irishdave on October 17, 2021, 03:50:15 PM
I’ve always thought sauna and steam room after training is a bad idea. Your body temperature is already elevated and can increase it into the danger zone for stroke. PIP Zyzz

I feel my blood pressure lowers and lungs clearer after a session. Obviously you’d want to ease yourself into it.
Smoke a bit of a j in the car before my cardio and sauna
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: bhank on October 17, 2021, 04:14:40 PM
I can do that easily. Being flexible, is being able to do a split, or those contortionists that wrap limbs around their necks. Not touching toes.  ::)

Bullshit there is no way your fat ass can bend over keeping your legs straight and put your palms on the ground much less grab behind your ankles and pull yourself lower
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: Les Grossman on October 17, 2021, 07:24:47 PM
Im actually a natural athlete. Football, baseball, and basketball. With basketball, I can shoot and play defense. Can't dribble worth a shit, so basically, I'm not good at creating my own shot off of a dribble. I'm a set shooter.

As far as football  and baseball....I had a world class arm. That is something you are born with.

Whenever I would throw a baseball or a football, people would want me to be a pitcher or quarterback. 

I liked playing 3rd, or in the outfield. I was one of the best hitters on my team.

For football, I played both ways in high school. 

I will always regret not giving it my all, when it came to sports. I loved it, and most of it came naturally to me.

To put it plain and simple...I quit on myself.

Oh for crying out loud.

Just stop. Put the vodka bottle down and accomplish something with your life.

Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: pellius on October 17, 2021, 10:19:25 PM
I’ve always thought that the sauna and steam room after training is a bad idea. Your body temperature is already elevated and can increase it into the danger zone for stroke. PIP Zyzz

I don't know about steam rooms but definitely hot jacuzzi are great post workout or at anytime. The heat dilates the blood vessels increasing blood flow and circulation and also relaxes and "softens" the muscle. Those cold baths are insane and will soon be proved to be worthless for recovery if not overall health. The circulation and turnover you get in your body the better, whether it's your blood, bowels, oxygen... keep thing moving and circulating. That's called being alive.
Title: Re: Brutally Unflexible
Post by: hench on October 18, 2021, 01:16:23 AM
I'm flexible enough in body but i cant just cross over my fingers without difficulty, like years of gripping weights have made them stiff.