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WHY IS WATCHING PORNOGRAPHY SINFUL?
http://www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/why_is_watching_pornography_sinful (http://www.versebyverseministry.org/bible-answers/why_is_watching_pornography_sinful)
Q. Why is watching pornography considered a sin?
A. The Bible makes clear watching pornography is sinful. First, the very word pornography comes from a Greek word porneia, which is translated sexual immorality in our English Bibles. Believers are commanded repeatedly in the New Testament to flee from all kinds of sexual immorality and impurity. Consider these uses of the word porneia in the New Testament:
Gal. 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Eph. 5:3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
1Th. 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality;
1Cor. 6:13 Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body.
We could go on with more examples, but as you can see the Bible makes clear that the believer is to abstain from any and all forms of sexual immorality, from which we get the word pornography.
More specifically, watching pornography involves at least three forms of sin:
1. Licentiousness - The sexual acts on display in pornographic material are acts of fornication, which is the sin of sexual contact outside marriage. When we take part in this enterprise as an observer (i.e., as a customer of pornography), we are condoning and promoting fornication. This promoting behavior is itself the sin of licentiousness, or giving license to sin.
2Cor. 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again, my God may humiliate me before you, and I will grieve for many of those who previously sinned and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and licentiousness that they have practiced.
2. Lust - Pornographic materials are intended to illicit sexual arousal in our flesh, which is lust. Lust is any arousal of the flesh which occurs in an immoral manner, and the whole purpose of filming other people engaging in sexual acts (often grossly distorted and perverted acts) is to entice lust in the hearts of the audience.
Lust is a sin, and anything that brings us to the point of lust is a sinfully corrupting and tempting influence. Jesus says that the commission of lust is equal to the commission of adultery. Consider the Bible's teaching:
Matt. 5:28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
James 1:14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
James 1:15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
3. Sensuality - Watching pornography involves taking pleasure in observing strangers in a state of nakedness, which is the sin of sensuality or lewdness according to Scripture.
Glorying in another person's nakedness is sinful behavior, according to Scripture. Beginning in the Garden of Eden and continuing throughout the Bible, we find those who take pleasure in another's nakedness (outside of marriage) are depicted as shameful and due condemnation. For example, when one of Noah's sons took pleasure in seeing his father lying naked in his tent in Genesis 9, the Bible portrays the son's act as shameful and dishonoring.
More importantly, the Lord sees such conduct as reprehensible. Consider the Lord's admonishment against Israel when they engaged in lewd and immoral conduct:
Hab. 2:15 “Woe to you who make your neighbors drink,
Who mix in your venom even to make them drunk
So as to look on their nakedness!
Hab. 2:16 “You will be filled with disgrace rather than honor.
Now you yourself drink and expose your own nakedness.
The cup in the LORD’S right hand will come around to you,
And utter disgrace will come upon your glory.
In summary, the act of watching pornography is immoral and sinful. It is wrong because it condones fornication and is licentiousness. It is intended to induce lust in the heart, and it exposes us to the nakedness of strangers.
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It is every where and is a constant temptation sadly I often fail at.
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It is every where and is a constant temptation sadly I often fail at.
I have watched pornography in the past and for a time it became a daily occurrence, but after the Lord changed my heart I was delivered from it and haven't watched a minute of it willingly. Sometimes images are put before me I wasn't expecting, but I deny that temptation.
Now, today I work on taking every word and thought captive and denying the temptation of lust. I seek the Lord in prayer and ask for deliverance from my lust. Overtime I'm taking captive every word and thought and I find myself not overcome by the temptation to lust.....putting that old carnal man to death!
I give glory to God for it.
If you feel conviction within yourself for watching pornography I'd say that's a very good thing.....Holy Spirit is leading you from that. I say seek the Lord in prayer, but at the same time we sometimes have to take up our mats and walk faithfully.
I'll keep you in my prayers and I ask that you keep me in yours!
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MoS, with all due respect, Jesus's words concerning lust were less about sexual repression than they were about preventing covetousness and/or self-righteousness. DeepStrength sums it up well here:
https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/male-and-female-sexual-desire-is-not-sinful/ (https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/male-and-female-sexual-desire-is-not-sinful/)
Pornography is exploitative and misrepresents human sexuality, but interpreting or teaching the Sermon on the Mount in a way that it causes unmarried Christians to associate guilt and shame with every sexual thought, urge, dream, etc. is very dangerous.
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MoS, with all due respect, Jesus's words concerning lust were less about sexual repression than they were about preventing covetousness and/or self-righteousness. DeepStrength sums it up well here:
https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/male-and-female-sexual-desire-is-not-sinful/ (https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/male-and-female-sexual-desire-is-not-sinful/)
Pornography is exploitative and misrepresents human sexuality, but interpreting or teaching the Sermon on the Mount in a way that it causes unmarried Christians to associate guilt and shame with every sexual thought, urge, dream, etc. is very dangerous.
Not sure what you're suggesting here. Help me out a bit more.
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Not sure what you're suggesting here. Help me out a bit more.
I guess DS and I were trying to make the crucial distinction between healthy and unhealthy sexual desire. Far too many Evangelicals have done that.
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I guess DS and I were trying to make the crucial distinction between healthy and unhealthy sexual desire. Far too many Evangelicals have done that.
I think it comes to down willfully engaging in sin as stated in Hebrews. Can you help your unconscious thoughts? Can you help being tempted? Can you help being attracted to others? I would say no to all three.
Still, as believers, we are to take every word and thought captive. This is something I work at consistently.....it isn't easy. I pray about it.
Although, when it comes down to pornography (or any behavior) I ask myself a simple question:
If I were in the presence of Jesus Christ would I feel completely at ease engaging in that particular behavior?
Would I watch pornographic materials with Jesus Christ at my side?
We may enter some situations with the best of intentions and yet we're blindsided with something sinful. How we respond in those moments is crucial. I've been in those moments and I've quietly excused myself.
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for me its a few things
1) i know logically based on God's word that it is sinful, and therefore I do not engage in it.
2) i think that watching porn makes me look at women as objects to be used instead of people to be loved
3) i become impatient, temperamental, hot-headed, and lose self control when i start giving in to my fleshly desire for instant gratification
4) it cheapens my intimacy with my wife
and in the end, i just want to love Jesus. anything that gets in the way of that love is just not for me.
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for me its a few things
1) i know logically based on God's word that it is sinful, and therefore I do not engage in it.
2) i think that watching porn makes me look at women as objects to be used instead of people to be loved
3) i become impatient, temperamental, hot-headed, and lose self control when i start giving in to my fleshly desire for instant gratification
4) it cheapens my intimacy with my wife
and in the end, i just want to love Jesus. anything that gets in the way of that love is just not for me.
Exactly.
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To say nothing of the fact that it's a blatant misrepresentation. A naive, horny young man who tries the sorts of things he sees in those kinds of movies on a young lady will be in for an unpleasant surprise.
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judge ye not the deeds of others lest you be judged yourself
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judge ye not the deeds of others lest you be judged yourself
Three threads down for this exact reason:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605683.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=605683.0)
See, I'm well aware of Matthew 7:1, but I also know Matthew 7:2-6 which completely changes the entire scope of an isolated 7:1.
Well technically most don't actually read that verse...they just learned it from someone else who never went beyond 7:1.
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1) i know logically based on God's word that it is sinful, and therefore I do not engage in it.
2) i think that watching porn makes me look at women as objects to be used instead of people to be loved
3) i become impatient, temperamental, hot-headed, and lose self control when i start giving in to my fleshly desire for instant gratification
4) it cheapens my intimacy with my wife
This is some rich stuff...
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This is some rich stuff...
Is that because of the man he once was and is no longer?
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Is that because of the man he once was and is no longer?
His past makes the statements funnier, no doubt. But they'd be just as rich even if someone else gave those reasons.
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Utah Governor Gary Herbert to Declare Pornography a Public Health Hazard
by CORKY SIEMASZKO
In Utah, porn will soon be just like smoking — a "public health crisis."
Gov. Gary Herbert is set to sign a resolution passed by the state legislature last month that calls for increased "education, prevention, research, and policy change at the community and societal level" to combat pornography.
(http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_16/1503046/160419-gary-herbert-utah-mn-1020_477909116e72268299a2582263b1864e.nbcnews-ux-320-320.jpg)
Utah Gov. Gary Herbert speaks during an interview on March 10, 2016, in Salt Lake City. Rick Bowmer / AP file
"Pornography perpetuates a sexually toxic environment," the resolution states. "Efforts to prevent pornography exposure and addiction, to educate individuals and families concerning its harms, and to develop recovery programs must be addressed systemically in ways that hold broader influences accountable."
Once the ink is dry, few groups will be more delighted than the Mormon church-backed Utah Coalition Against Pornography.
"If this moral plague could catch our imagination the way a medical epidemic does, we would be calling out every available member of the health care industry," wrote Elder Jeffrey Holland on the group's website last month.
The resolution is the brainchild of another Republican politician in Utah, State Sen. Todd Weiler. He had told NBC News that he was not trying to ban pornography.
"What I am saying is we have taken steps to protect people from tobacco, but we haven't done that for pornography," said Weiler, who introduced the resolution on behalf of his constituents in January 2015.
Ultimately, Weiler said, he would like to see default settings on the internet changed to make access to pornography more difficult.
"I do believe pornography is addictive," he said.
Herbert also intends to sign legislation that requires computer technicians to report child pornography — and makes it a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in prison if they don't.
Utah is the home base for the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints and one of the most conservative states in the country. But a Harvard study back in 2009 found that Utah's religious residents were the nation's top consumers of online porn.
Subsequent researchers have questioned the methodology and findings of the Harvard study, which was titled "Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-ugliest-piece-of-barack-obamas-legacy/2016/04/17/f83182d8-026d-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html
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being righteous about other peoples behaviour might also be pornographic
Feel free to clarify this because I don't understand what you're suggesting.
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That whole Utah thing wasn't much of a surprise to me. From what I've read, the Mormon denomination is one of the most sex-negative of the faith, and the more the God-given gift of human sexuality is maligned and misunderstood, the more likely it will be expressed in unhealthy ways.
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Feel free to clarify this because I don't understand what you're suggesting.
::) yes yo do
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Good post Man of steel.
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If you made a list of sinful things, it would be a mile long. Fortunately God KNEW you would fail, just as Adam failed in the garden, and sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for your sins, past, present and future. So don't sweat the small stuff
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If you made a list of sinful things, it would be a mile long. Fortunately God KNEW you would fail, just as Adam failed in the garden, and sent his only begotten son to die on the cross for your sins, past, present and future. So don't sweat the small stuff
But why even send anyone—especially his Son-aka himself? Why not just say: “shit, i was tripping when I made that bullshit up about sin and death. Imma gonna take it all back, yo. Ain’t nobody gonna say nothing. I’m God!”
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But why even send anyone—especially his Son-aka himself? Why not just say: “shit, i was tripping when I made that bullshit up about sin and death. Imma gonna take it all back, yo. Ain’t nobody gonna say nothing. I’m God!”
excellent question
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But why even send anyone—especially his Son-aka himself? Why not just say: “shit, i was tripping when I made that bullshit up about sin and death. Imma gonna take it all back, yo. Ain’t nobody gonna say nothing. I’m God!”
Of course it doesn't make sense.
It's all made up BS.
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judge ye not the deeds of others lest you be judged yourself
By the belly of the buddha, STFU. Yes...Even though your words are several years old, STFU. How pedestrian of you and your kind. FTN.
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But why even send anyone—especially his Son-aka himself? Why not just say: “shit, i was tripping when I made that bullshit up about sin and death. Imma gonna take it all back, yo. Ain’t nobody gonna say nothing. I’m God!”
Are people really this stupid? This ignorant? This childish? It is plain and simple but perhaps one need be Jewish to understand it all...No. Don't go ax that cuntard Wiggs, he's a fucking dildo on ice, i.e., useless. It is right in front of you and still you do not see.
If it were a penis, half or more of you would drop to your knees and suck away.
For the criminally stupid here, that means you see what you want to see and gobble it up. FFS. I'll wager that I possess the lowest IQ on here and yet I understand such simple truths with ease.
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Are people really this stupid? This ignorant? This childish? It is plain and simple but perhaps one need be Jewish to understand it all...No. Don't go ax that cuntard Wiggs, he's a fucking dildo on ice, i.e., useless. It is right in front of you and still you do not see.
If it were a penis, half or more of you would drop to your knees and suck away.
For the criminally stupid here, that means you see what you want to see and gobble it up. FFS. I'll wager that I possess the lowest IQ on here and yet I understand such simple truths with ease.
I wouldn't take that bet... but on a side note, can you actually address his post? Asking for a friend
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I wouldn't take that bet... but on a side note, can you actually address his post? Asking for a friend
You have "friends"? Look, you are an adult, are you not? Of course you are! I cannot believe I have to explain this to such as you.
Think "scapegoat", albeit a voluntary one. The Jews have a history rich in symbolism and guilt which is second to none although Catholics are trying hard to catch up. I have noticed how you and the boy known as Abe seem to feeeeel belittling my honoring the Nazarene is humorous. Really...
As I told him, this isn't the real world and for that he should be grateful. So should we all. Let me know if your "friend" understands now. If not, I suggest he seek out a Rabbi or perhaps ask One as he is Jewish. Again, avoid that moron Wiggs. He is so stupid that he doesn't know his anus from his mouth and thereby uses them to the same end.
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You have "friends"? Look, you are an adult, are you not? Of course you are! I cannot believe I have to explain this to such as you.
Think "scapegoat", albeit a voluntary one. The Jews have a history rich in symbolism and guilt which is second to none although Catholics are trying hard to catch up. I have noticed how you and the boy known as Abe seem to feeeeel belittling my honoring the Nazarene is humorous. Really...
As I told him, this isn't the real world and for that he should be grateful. So should we all. Let me know if your "friend" understands now. If not, I suggest he seek out a Rabbi or perhaps ask One as he is Jewish. Again, avoid that moron Wiggs. He is so stupid that he doesn't know his anus from his mouth and thereby uses them to the same end.
No, the friend does not. You really never offered an explanation.
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No, the friend does not. You really never offered an explanation.
I did.
But you and your friend are either too stupid to understand my words (hard to believe as even I understand them) or don't like what I "offer". You want an argument, go elsewhere.
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But why even send anyone—especially his Son-aka himself? Why not just say: “shit, i was tripping when I made that bullshit up about sin and death. Imma gonna take it all back, yo. Ain’t nobody gonna say nothing. I’m God!”
God did not invent evil, we did. :)
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God did not invent evil, we did. :)
Ummmmm…No. No we did not invent evil. While you are incapable of giving the Nazarene a bad name, neither are you remotely well equipped to proselytize. Like Wiggs, you are ignorant, so STFU.
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To say nothing of the fact that it's a blatant misrepresentation. A naive, horny young man who tries the sorts of things he sees in those kinds of movies on a young lady will be in for an unpleasant surprise.
If that young lady watches porn and expects a 10 inch dong she's going to be in for an even more unpleasant surprise. :)
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Of course it doesn't make sense.
It's all made up BS.
Bingo
Exactly Right.
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God did not invent evil, we did. :)
Assuming you believe the bible, take a look at Isaiah 45:7 where it specifically says god created evil.
Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
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Sinful my ass. I'll be adjourning to the lavoratory shortly for a dose of www.redtube.com. Something in the bbw and/or extremely large tits category.
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Sinful my ass. I'll be adjourning to the lavoratory shortly for a dose of www.redtube.com. Something in the bbw and/or extremely large tits category.
Extremely large tits category - Hmmm I’ll have to peruse that particular Section.
Redtube you say.
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Extremely large tits category - Hmmm I’ll have to peruse that particular Section.
Redtube you say.
Yes sir.
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Yes sir.
Thank you 👍🏻
Nothing better than Excessively Large Tits.
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Assuming you believe the bible, take a look at Isaiah 45:7 where it specifically says god created evil.
Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
You can't take one verse out of context and build an entire theology out of it. The meaning is that God controls everything. Not that He sins.
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You can't take one verse out of context and build an entire theology out of it. The meaning is that God controls everything. Not that He sins.
Please stop now. It used to be you couldn't wait to put a dick in your ass. Now you just want to stick your foot in your mouth.
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Please stop now. It used to be you couldn't wait to put a dick in your ass. Now you just want to stick your foot in your mouth.
Guarantee that hasn't changed.