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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2007, 05:43:56 AM »
Yeah it's great.................if your lazy and don't want to train!

You weren't supposed to mention that. The theories about taxing the muscle and CNS sound a lot better. ;D

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2007, 05:45:26 AM »
I work each muscle group 3 times a month....basically a 4 day split spread over 10 days, if I have time I do cardio on the other days.



3 times a month? ???

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2007, 05:47:30 AM »
Intensity and volume= the need for greater recovery.

Yup. If there's any justification for only once a week it would be due to a combination of this. Personally i think it's not enough to realize full potential. Intensity over short workouts allows more frequent training. Volume without intensity seems pointless.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2007, 08:16:37 AM »
No. Intensity equals the need for greater recovery.



dohhhhh... ;D  intensity and volume together dictate recovery time.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2007, 08:20:58 AM »
Most of the guys i think of as huge worked each muscle 2-3 times a week. Coleman, Oliva, Draper, Schwarzenegger, Scott, etc. 2 days on, 1 off, or a 2 or 3 day split, etc.

As far as the overtraining concept, the idea that this will overtax the CNS is just a theory, one born of HIT that few believe in by the way. The government and other similar sources have recently revised their exercise guidelines upwards, to more exercise on a daily basis, because of a believe that the body not only can handle it but benefits from it.

Intensity with moderate sets will not tax the CNS, i've done it for decades. Volume would be wearing, especially with any degree of intensity, because you're essentially doing the equivalent of marathon running. Wearing down the system with endurance work.

Once a week works for some but in each case i wonder what potential they've left on the table using it. Some believe as i do that after 3 days between workouts per muscle you're essentially sliding backwards due to disuse.

so you favour for example splits such as: 1. chest/back/shoulders 2. arms 3. legs. 4 rest. repeat? 

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2007, 08:46:51 AM »
so you favour for example splits such as: 1. chest/back/shoulders 2. arms 3. legs. 4 rest. repeat? 

Yes, or a two day split and either repeating or resting on day 3. I know though that some gain from once a week; i wonder whether they've tried twice a week and compared.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2007, 09:59:43 AM »
pumpster can you write down your routine for us, ive tried a 2 times a week routine but my body shut down, i think i tried to many exercises and i was in the gym for about 90 minutes keeping breaks to 30-45 seconds. although by the time i was done i didnt need to do any cardio

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2007, 10:16:57 AM »
Once  Some believe as i do that after 3 days between workouts per muscle you're essentially sliding backwards due to disuse.

The muscle does get worked within 3-4 days indirectly... it's not like you're putting the muscle into total disuse between directly hitting it.
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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2007, 02:11:22 PM »
pumpster can you write down your routine for us, ive tried a 2 times a week routine but my body shut down, i think i tried to many exercises and i was in the gym for about 90 minutes keeping breaks to 30-45 seconds. although by the time i was done i didnt need to do any cardio

I've used either a 2-day split followed by 1 day off and repeat, or the same thing taking two days off after the second cycle, 2 day split then repeat with no rest until the 7th day, 3-day split then repeat again then rest a day, etc. Usually working the muscle three times a week; even twice seems a little too easy. Easier to do three times a week after going to moderate volume.

I wouldn't say try one particular routine is best, instead try each for a month or two then decide which works better.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2007, 05:47:54 PM »
Tom Platz already did charge for it... It is his split from way back...

good one though doesn't wear out your shoulders like so many others.


Really?

I guess we think alike training wise because I didn't cop that from anyone.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2007, 04:35:33 AM »
Most of the guys i think of as huge worked each muscle 2-3 times a week. Coleman, Oliva, Draper, Schwarzenegger, Scott, etc. 2 days on, 1 off, or a 2 or 3 day split, etc.

As far as the overtraining concept, the idea that this will overtax the CNS is just a theory, one born of HIT that few believe in by the way. The government and other similar sources have recently revised their exercise guidelines upwards, to more exercise on a daily basis, because of a believe that the body not only can handle it but benefits from it.

Intensity with moderate sets will not tax the CNS, i've done it for decades. Volume would be wearing, especially with any degree of intensity, because you're essentially doing the equivalent of marathon running. Wearing down the system with endurance work.

Once a week works for some but in each case i wonder what potential they've left on the table using it. Some believe as i do that after 3 days between workouts per muscle you're essentially sliding backwards due to disuse.
Come on,
let's not use these guys as examples. They're pro's who have plenty of time to rest and more important a personal drugstore. There are also other sports were athletes train multiple times a day, morning cardio/strength, evening technique, cyclers cycle daily 2 to 3 hours, powerlifters lift all day.
but that's got jack-shit to do with body-building.


Biggest challenge in BB is diet, if you're low in fat, you will look big. The other challenge is time, when are you able to train, you can't work 5/6 days a week, being away for almost 10 hours, take a detour to the gym, come home eat some more and sleep, impossible for over 99% of the people.
The last challenge is the actual weight-lifting. What kind of program will serve the needs.


If you have plenty of time, fe a student, no job or no social live, working out a muscle multiple times a week can be beneficial, a routine like push/pull/legs, more extreme upper-body/lower body. The biggest disadvantage is that you train a different type of musclefiber. Instead of targeting the potential fiber IIb, which has a bigger grow-potention you start targeting IIa and there will be a small transition of those two on the long run. The percentage of IIa will grow and IIB will decrease.

That's not neccessarly a bad thing, it's even recommended, but using such a routine on the long run does not serve the goal for a lot off people.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2007, 10:14:14 AM »
I agree with DKI, that you can't use Arnold, Coleman, Scott, etc as prime examples of what may or may not be best for every one. That's like comparing a college football team with the NFL (or the CFL with the superior NFL). Those named guy's are some of the legendary top men in BB'ing.  With the chemical engineering that also goes with these top guy's, odds are  99% that any whacked out way they train,  they do can build huge size.

CNS abuse (overtraining ) is a fact and not something that just emerged from a negative reaction from HIT. Why anyone could not understand that defies logic. Unless their new to BB'ing.

Those unnamed government and other  sources(?), base any exercise program on the average male. Who does next to nothing in the way of exercise. This does not apply to BB'ers who train and do cardio well beyond what the government, or average man, ever dreamed of. You do not wear down the system with just endurance work alone. Too much workload and muscle tension can also accomplish this.

The human body will slowly revert back to a untrained state, with-in the mean average of 10 to 12 days. Any coach or trainer will tell you that. After 3 days of non training, the body will take the opportunity to recover and rebuild it's self. It will not begin to slide backwards due to disuse. A better term might be under use. Good Luck.
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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2007, 10:24:16 AM »
Come on,
let's not use these guys as examples. They're pro's who have plenty of time to rest and more important a personal drugstore. There are also other sports were athletes train multiple times a day, morning cardio/strength, evening technique, cyclers cycle daily 2 to 3 hours, powerlifters lift all day.
but that's got jack-shit to do with body-building.


Biggest challenge in BB is diet, if you're low in fat, you will look big. The other challenge is time, when are you able to train, you can't work 5/6 days a week, being away for almost 10 hours, take a detour to the gym, come home eat some more and sleep, impossible for over 99% of the people.
The last challenge is the actual weight-lifting. What kind of program will serve the needs.


If you have plenty of time, fe a student, no job or no social live, working out a muscle multiple times a week can be beneficial, a routine like push/pull/legs, more extreme upper-body/lower body. The biggest disadvantage is that you train a different type of musclefiber. Instead of targeting the potential fiber IIb, which has a bigger grow-potention you start targeting IIa and there will be a small transition of those two on the long run. The percentage of IIa will grow and IIB will decrease.

That's not neccessarly a bad thing, it's even recommended, but using such a routine on the long run does not serve the goal for a lot off people.

BS on all counts. The usual stock excuse that ascribes everything to drugs, as simplistic as it is wrong. Training fundamentals don't suddenly all change with or without drugs.

Diet is only part of it. Train improperly and there will be nothing, period.

As far as the full-time work theory, ask Sergio about working for the police department and working out. ;D ;D

Re: the guessing on work schedules, Coleman says his workouts last on average about an hour. So much for that one. ;D


Of course I can use those guys as examples-they did the routines and the routines worked.



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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2007, 10:34:03 AM »
I agree with DKI, that you can't use Arnold, Coleman, Scott, etc as prime examples of what may or may not be best for every one. That's like comparing a college football team with the NFL (or the CFL with the superior NFL). Those named guy's are some of the legendary top men in BB'ing.  With the chemical engineering that also goes with these top guy's, odds are  99% that any whacked out way they train,  they do can build huge size.

CNS abuse (overtraining ) is a fact and not something that just emerged from a negative reaction from HIT. Why anyone could not understand that defies logic. Unless their new to BB'ing.

Those unnamed government and other  sources(?), base any exercise program on the average male. Who does next to nothing in the way of exercise. This does not apply to BB'ers who train and do cardio well beyond what the government, or average man, ever dreamed of. You do not wear down the system with just endurance work alone. Too much workload and muscle tension can also accomplish this.

The human body will slowly revert back to a untrained state, with-in the mean average of 10 to 12 days. Any coach or trainer will tell you that. After 3 days of non training, the body will take the opportunity to recover and rebuild it's self. It will not begin to slide backwards due to disuse. A better term might be under use. Good Luck.

Long-winded, filled with the usual dime-store speculation. Larry Scott had very little to do with the "chemical engineering" claimed in this latest round of guesses. Most of the guys i've mentioned were on basic fairly simple stacks, not "chemical engineering" haahahahhaha.


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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #39 on: February 10, 2007, 08:36:49 AM »
I know though that some gain from once a week; i wonder whether they've tried twice a week and compared.

I have been wondering about this myself lately.  I read routine outlines from "back in the day" and it appears the norm back then was 2x/week for each bodypart with fairly high volume.

It is interesting to me that the major trend today is much less volume.  It seems very few people advocate much more than a one hour long workout nowdays.  Was everyone dead wrong in years past.  Multiple hour workout sessions, split training sessions, and hitting a bodypart 2x/week seemed to work well for many at one point in time.  Now these things are taboo.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2007, 11:08:32 AM »
I have been wondering about this myself lately.  I read routine outlines from "back in the day" and it appears the norm back then was 2x/week for each bodypart with fairly high volume.

It is interesting to me that the major trend today is much less volume.  It seems very few people advocate much more than a one hour long workout nowdays.  Was everyone dead wrong in years past.  Multiple hour workout sessions, split training sessions, and hitting a bodypart 2x/week seemed to work well for many at one point in time.  Now these things are taboo.
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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2007, 11:37:22 AM »
yeah real D bol was a hell of a drug dude!

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2007, 11:48:31 AM »
Guys way back used to train every bodypart three times per week while being clean. I think it is good to switch it up everymonth and see what works for you.
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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2007, 01:02:32 PM »
Right now training in a high intensity manor im not sure if more than once a week per body part would work+ i have rugby tuesday,thursday and saturday (season ends in few weeks).

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2007, 05:31:53 PM »
I try and give each muscle group it's own day and hit each muscle group once a week. 

I have read about that loss of muscle after 3 days idea but I don't take it too mean after 3 days from your workout you will start losing muscle I view it more as once your muscle is fully rebuilt then it will start to lose muscle after 3 days, so after a workout it takes 2-3 days to recover imo and then if you want total rebuild even longer so it won't be for a couple weeks until you start losing any muscle in that muscle group as long as you maintain an adequate diet.

I like the once a week thing because you get to give each muscle group a full hard workout session that they deserve and have adequate recovery time.  Most of your muscles, you will use as secondary muscle groups in other exercises throughout the week so they still are stimulated to a degree so no worry of disuse or breakdown imo.

You're going to build muscle outside of the gym not inside of it , so give your body the rest it needs.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2007, 05:09:37 AM »
Why you should train each muscle group more than once a week
by Chad Waterbury

One of the new "rules" of weight training states you should hit each muscle group only about once per week. Sometime in the past, someone made this statement, referenced a few studies, and it soon became law. Perhaps you adopted this rule and applied it to your training. So let me ask you something: Did it work? Are you considerably bigger and stronger? No? Then maybe it's time to break a few "rules" and break out of that rut. Maybe it's time to (gasp!) train each muscle group more than once per week!

I feel my primary duty as a writer is to inform readers and help them think outside of the proverbial box. Therefore, I want you to clear your mind of any preconceived notions about training frequency and recovery. With any luck, this information could be the difference between extremely successful training and sub-par results for the rest of your lifting days.

The body is an amazingly adaptive machine. Its ultimate function is to adapt to the demands placed upon it. Whatever stress the body encounters will be overcome given the proper parameters (and as long as it doesn't kill you). For instance, your very first chest workout probably made you sore since the body wasn't accustomed to any tricep/pectoral/deltoid resistance training. After a short period of time training the chest once each week, soreness diminished to the point where you had to change the variables for soreness to reappear. In essence, you taught the body to adapt to training the chest once a week.

But what if instead of training the chest once each week, you started out by training it four times each week? Would progress come to a halt? Probably, if you continued to bombard your chest with the same parameters. But if you exposed your muscles to different demands throughout the week, results could be much more effective and rapid.

I don't know where all this talk about training each body part once per week came from. Alright, I do know where a lot of it came from, but why "HIT" upon something that most qualified strength coaches don't take seriously anyway? Therefore, I'll refrain from kicking a training philosophy that's already down. The point is, I've yet to read a single reble book on strength and conditioning that advocates training each body part only once a week. For example, Supertraining by Siff and Verkhoshansky, Science and Practice of Strength Training by Zsatsiorsky, and The Science of Sports Training by Kurz are all on my "must read" list, yet not one of them recommends training with such infrequency for optimum results.

Now, many of you are probably thinking I'm throwing you back to the 1970's mentality of weight training when Arnold and friends would annihilate each body part five or six times a week. No, I'm not. We all know that's not the most effective way to train. But I am saying that perhaps we've allowed the pendulum to swing too far in one direction when it comes to training frequency.

Back before anabolic steroids and protein powders, weight trainers were building impressive amounts of muscle and incredible levels of strength. Men such as Eugen Sandow, Arthur Saxon and Alan Calvert trained the muscular system many times each week. In my opinion, they were the lucky ones because they didn't have any preconceived notions about training frequency. Instead, they kept using methods as long as their performance continued to increase.

Back then, there weren't any books on the bestseller list touting a one-size-fits-all program for incredible results (as long as you used the author's products), nor were there any "Johnny Biceps" out there claiming they built their huge guns training them only once a week with super-slow concentration curls and tricep kickbacks (never mind the truckload of anabolics in their garage). Nope, these men just trained hard and, through trial and error, learned that training each muscle group more than once per week was the right way to go.

When I think back to my most dramatic gains over the years, a single consistent element comes to mind. It was only when I started working a muscle group more often that dramatic gains took place. For instance, while in high school I spent some time working at an apartment complex and one of my primary jobs was to carry mattresses up and down narrow stairways. I had to grab the edge of the mattresses with my fingers and lift it while walking staircases. My forearm size and strength increased more dramatically in the first month than it ever had on any training program. This took place while I was simultaneously performing heavy grip training in the gym.

After I graduated from college, I went from spending most of my time sitting during class to an internship at a gym where I had to spend most of the time on my feet. The first few weeks were brutal on my calves since they were only accustomed to being trained hard once every five days. Now they were required to do the same while simultaneously holding me on my feet for an extra 40 hours a week. Within the first month I put a full inch on my calves without changing any parameters of my weight training workouts!

Why did the calves and forearms grow? Because they had to adapt to the demands placed upon them. More importantly, the demands were substantially different than my higher-intensity resistance workout routine.

Adapt and Grow

The body is very smart. It doesn't want to increase your recovery rate or add muscle unless absolutely necessary. Therefore, you must make it understand the necessity by exposing it to more frequent training sessions. Remember reading those muscle building programs that advocated a few heavy workouts each week followed by a completely inactive lifestyle? You know, the "squat, drink milk and lay on the couch while living with your parents" program? That line of thinking was based on the false assumption that extra workouts would slow recovery. If anything, it kept recovery slower than an Ellington Darden rep scheme because it never created a need for the body to recover quicker! Don't forget this important point: You must create a need for improved recovery rates.

I know so many lifters who only feel satisfied if a workout causes soreness. Such a notion is absurd! Your primary goal should be to train the muscular system so that little or no soreness occurs. Why? Because soreness will only slow recovery.

Many of the so-called bodybuilding magazines recommend pre-fabricated programs based on a breakdown similar to the following:

Monday: Chest/Back

Tuesday: Off

Wednesday: Legs/Abs/Calves

Thursday: Off

Friday: Shoulders/Arms

Weekend: Off

The main problem with this type of program is it only demands the body to recover each muscle group by the following week. For the most dramatic gains to take place, you must train muscle groups more often to increase the recovery rate. Training each muscle group directly once each week won't increase the recovery rate beyond once-a-week training. How's increased recovery accomplished? By forcing the body to work out more often! I know I may sound redundant, but I can't stress this fact enough.

Unfortunately, we do have a limited capacity for recovery. Therefore, the extra workouts must be intelligently planned. Initially, I wouldn't recommend adding in extra maximal training sessions. Instead, add in some light speed work such as the workouts described in my explosive training articles. Explosive, submaximal training places a different type of stress on the nervous and muscular system and can aid recovery. The increased blood flow will help nutrient transfer take place since the muscles will be moving a lighter load more quickly. Also, you should add some endurance work for lagging muscle groups as described in my 100 Reps to Bigger Muscles article.

It should be clear to you that I'm not in favor of traditional periodization methods that focus exclusively on building only one type of strength at a time. For instance, a traditional Western macrocycle (up to six weeks) might concentrate solely on increasing hypertrophy. You know what happens during these six weeks? Your maximal strength levels drop! How about your endurance? You guessed it, it'll drop too. Therefore, I always train multiple strength qualities simultaneously. Trust me, the body can take it and your overall strength will soar.

Therefore, if you agree with my premise, you should restructure your weekly workout plan to something similar to the following:

Monday: Upper Body (Maximal Training)

Tuesday: Lower Body (Explosive Training)

Wednesday: Off

Thursday: Upper Body (Explosive Training)

Friday: Lower Body (Maximal Training)

Weekend: Off

This breakdown will allow at least two different sessions for each muscle group every week. What about soreness? Many self-proclaimed experts claim you shouldn't work any body part that's still sore. Even though I appreciate their reasoning, I think they're grossly underestimating the adaptability of the body. Your body will only increase recovery if you force it to work more frequently. Initially, you may still have residual soreness from the previous workout, but don't worry. Instead, work through it and the body will improve its recovery rate to the point where soreness will subside. And don't forget your endurance work because it'll dramatically reduce post-workout soreness almost immediately.

Make sure the exercises you perform for the second workout are different than the previous workout. Just adding a copy of your first workout would be a bad idea and probably lead to burnout very quickly. For instance, you could perform a maximal tricep workout similar to the following:

Monday (maximal training day)

Exercise: Barbell Skull Crushers

Load: 85% of 1RM

Sets: 5

Reps: 5

Rest: 120 seconds

Therefore, Thursday (explosive training day) should consist of a different tricep movement and lifting parameters, such as:

Exercise: Explosive, Close Grip Push-ups

Load: Bodyweight

Sets: 8-12

Reps: 3-4

Rest: 60 seconds

Generally speaking, use heavy, low reps on your maximal training day and light, explosive movements on explosive day. For example, as part of your chest workout, perform heavy bench presses on maximal day (6 sets of 3 reps) on Monday. On Thursday, perform my explosive push-up routine (8-12 sets of 3-4 reps). See my article here for details. You could also use my "100 Reps" program on off days if you really want to bring up the chest.

To further clarify, on explosive leg day (Tuesday), perform explosive box squats using 9 to 12 sets of 2-3 reps with 60 seconds between sets. (More info on explosive box squats here if you need it.) On maximal leg day (Friday), perform heavy, low rep squats, 6 sets of 3 reps for example. Train through any initial soreness and soon that won't be a problem. And if you really want to bring the legs up, on "off" days use the "100 Reps" program.

Conclusion

As a side note, WWF superstar and ex-Olympic wrestler, Kurt Angle, even lifts weights on the same day as his wrestling matches to help facilitate recovery. He uses only light, high-repetition training however on these days. Obviously, this guy isn't lacking any muscle!

In summary, the body can handle more than you think it can. Drop the one muscle group per week routine and try something new to see for yourself. Train each muscle group twice per week, once using heavy, low rep training, and once later in the week using light, explosive movements. You'll increase recovery, challenge the body, and ultimately grow bigger and stronger. Doesn't sound too bad, does it?

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2007, 12:28:19 PM »
BS on all counts. The usual stock excuse that ascribes everything to drugs, as simplistic as it is wrong. Training fundamentals don't suddenly all change with or without drugs.
So you want to argue the fact that drugs enhances the recovery ??? I'll pass this one.
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Diet is only part of it. Train improperly and there will be nothing, period.
And that's plain BS,
with a good diet you can achieve certain effects without any form off training. But that's another discussion.

The main point I try to make is the fact that if you want decent result you have to know what you're eating and what kind of effects the food has. To understand, and more important, to practise that knowledge takes a lot of time. Far more time than the bunch of exercises you perform. Also the fact that food keeps you busy all week compared tot the couple off hours in the gym makes a good diet more important.
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As far as the full-time work theory, ask Sergio about working for the police department and working out. ;D ;D

Re: the guessing on work schedules, Coleman says his workouts last on average about an hour. So much for that one. ;D


Of course I can use those guys as examples-they did the routines and the routines worked.
Sergio beat up his wife and got shot by her, Coleman lived with his mum until he was 40 , married with a other monster and got back to his mum. Sergio acknowledge the use of certain gear. Coleman can deny a lot, but it's known that he had contact with Victor Conte.

And these people are your examples?
Let's take an ordinary clean student/employer who has enough time and money to train multiple times a week to achieve a certain physique.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2007, 01:01:23 PM »
In reply to the article posted by Pumpster....

Do you believe everything you read?

The article hits on some key points, how the body is able to adapt to different stressors and by changing these stressors you make the greatest gains....but sadly that is the only useful idea in there.

Yes, if you start training a muscle 4 times a week, or are standing on your legs all day or using your forearms to help you move stuff they are going to grow.  The body is unaccustomed to this, but sure in good time it will adjust like it adjusts too everything and growth will hault.  Look at construction workers for example, they are on their feet upwards to 8 - 10 hours a day sometimes more.  They lift heavy crap all day long but do you see many of them the size of a probodybuilder if even a good amateur, No.  According to Mr. Waterbury's idea these men should be giant from the repeated stress put on the muscle but it just isn't so.

Like I said he makes a good point, hitting multiple muscle groups and modifying your program towards this will shock your muscle and cause growth but doing this for too long will halt your gains, overwork your body, and just add undo stress to your joints.

Your body can only absorb and utilize a certain amount of protein per day... there is no changing that (without the use of drugs).  It takes time and the necessary nutrients available to repair the muscles and if you are training all the muscle groups multiple times what I like to call "overtraining" then you are not allowing your muscles to rebuild and wasting your time, energy, money, and most importantly halting what could be gains if not losing gains.

Changing the frequency of your workouts should be changed just like exercises and intensity and duration.  Each time you change these factors your body will have to readjust and in a more practical sense "grow" to meet this change.  You shouldn't lock in though and say 3-4 times a week and that's it forever that's what works, overdoing it and "overtraining" is just going to hurt your gains in the long run.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2007, 06:58:51 PM »
In reply to the article posted by Pumpster....

Do you believe everything you read?



You must be dense to even think that. It was just one more perspective, who except you in your brilliance assumed that it was more than that? And it's not for you to tell us what is and isn't important in an article, everyone can decide for themselves what's worth gleaning, not you.

Why don't you try something more constructive like posting a  different article instead of making silly incorrect accusations about me, it just hurts your credibility.

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Re: working a muscle once a week
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2007, 07:02:48 PM »
So you want to argue the fact that drugs enhances the recovery ??? I'll pass this one. And that's plain BS,
with a good diet you can achieve certain effects without any form off training. But that's another discussion.

The main point I try to make is the fact that if you want decent result you have to know what you're eating and what kind of effects the food has. To understand, and more important, to practise that knowledge takes a lot of time. Far more time than the bunch of exercises you perform. Also the fact that food keeps you busy all week compared tot the couple off hours in the gym makes a good diet more important. Sergio beat up his wife and got shot by her, Coleman lived with his mum until he was 40 , married with a other monster and got back to his mum. Sergio acknowledge the use of certain gear. Coleman can deny a lot, but it's known that he had contact with Victor Conte.

And these people are your examples?
Let's take an ordinary clean student/employer who has enough time and money to train multiple times a week to achieve a certain physique.

You're the one making silly blanket claims: "diet is most of the equation". Cut out the unprovable theories and it won't be so easy for me to blow em up. ;D Or that drugs change the entire training equation, another canned, widely used excuse that most who evoke it know precious little about. Be smarter and stop thinking in absolutes that you've read over and over again somewhere else.

You're going to inject Sergio's domestic situation into this, because you can't think of anything else?
hahahahah L-A-M-E you have nothing.