Dorian vs Ronnie! ....lets simplify the debate.. Volume vs Density!

[ToxicAvenger]

Ronnie has more volume than Dorian...much more ...however Dorian kills Ronnie in density...Ronnie cant hold a candle to Dorian (who can?..viator?? ) as far as density is concerned.

remember Dillet ws king volume..but..he always looked watery..esp from the back...its the same concept (for ya noobs)


i side with density.


thats 1 vote for density!   so me thinks Dorian wins over Ronnie



WHY?

drugs can give you volume ...its just a matter of escalating dosages..density is a matter of genetics and hard heavy consistent work.

that will be all...


folks that have never juiced in their life (double XL etc) need not respond to this thread...for obvious reasons...

[haider]

whatever, when you compare their pics side by side dorian was no where near Ronnie's level.
End of story.

[ToxicAvenger]

whatever, when you compare their pics side by side dorian was no where near Ronnie's level.
End of story.

remember..as i added to my thread...

unless you have juiced.you really dont know how easy volume is to get versus density...


...and non juicers cannot really comment on the likes of juiced up bbers only for the fact that they have NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to credit their opinion on....

see what i mean bro! 

[pumpster]

Agreed, but..

On all of the other criteria Ron has mainly pros along with a few cons. Yates has more cons to go with some pros.

Ron beats him handily in overall:

-Lines
-Structure
-X-taper
-Arms-no comparison & an essential criteria for superstardom, IMO
-Sweep
-Small joints/hips
-Volume

Yates looses in all those categories, beats Ron in only density and calves.

[Gord]

...and non juicers cannot really comment on the likes of juiced up bbers only for the fact that they have NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to credit their opinion on....

see what i mean bro! 

Taking that comment to its logical conclusion, people who have not praticed politics cannot really comment on politicians or people who have not played professional basketball cannot really comment on professional basket players etc etc, which suggests that the comment isn't really logical at all.

[armbar3]

Ronnie is the best year after year people shit on something year after year he improves he gained 40 lbs of muscle in a year noone else has ever done that

[ToxicAvenger]

Agreed, but..

On all of the other criteria Ron has mainly pros along with a few cons. Yates has more cons to go with some pros.

yes but we dont measure criteria on an individual basis in a bbing show....do we now??

if we did..kevin shoulda won
shawn shoulda won
cutler shoulda won



we take the sum of all parts the day of the contest and then meaasure who is greatest...visualy..

and the sum of all parts (ayt least in my view) sides towards density...

otherwise dillett shoulda won a few times also...


Dorian beat Flex..Shawn..Kevin..Nass er at his prime..

who the fuck has ronnie beaten?  cutler?? lmao..dont make me laugh man..cutler < mid 90s bbers...

[Double XL]

NUFF SAID

[ToxicAvenger]

Taking that comment to its logical conclusion, people who have not praticed politics cannot really comment on politicians or people who have not played professional basketball cannot really comment on professional basket players etc etc, which suggests that the comment isn't really logical at all.

thats not a logical conclusion ya idiot...man...we got some morons on this site...

what you r saying is that people ONLY that have practiced pro bbing should comment on such a subject..

and thats NOT what i am saying...

i'm talking about an extrinsic factor...

yeesh...foolish try...

try again...

[Double XL]

DORIAN GETTING OWNED.

[ToxicAvenger]

NUFF SAID

wait..where did his calves and hams go?

[haider]

yea, I can really see how much more dense dorians muscles look in that pic 

All hype

[Double XL]

wait..where did his calves and hams go?

WHERE DID RONNIES HAMS GO? HAHAHA RONNIES HAMS ARE FUCKING MASSIVE, I GUESS THIS IS WHERE RONNIES HAMS WENT

[Double XL]

yea, I can really see how much more dense dorians muscles look in that pic 

All hype

HAHA, YEAH DORIAN IS SO DENSE AND "GRAINY" HAHAHAHA!!!

[ToxicAvenger]

notice how folks that have been lifting all of 3 years    and never seen  an empty steroid bottle in their lives are the ones that most adamantly preach the ronnie gospel... 

[pumpster]

we dont measure criteria on an individual basis in a bbing show. we take the sum of all parts the day of the contest 

On individual muscles Ron wins handily on almost all.

Overall, Yates has density few have had. That's about it. Ron has big advantages in most overall areas:

-Lines
-Structure
-X-taper
-Arms-no comparison & an essential criteria for superstardom, IMO
-Sweep
-Small joints/hips
-Volume

[Double XL]

notice how folks that have been lifting all of 3 years    and never seen  an empty steroid bottle in their lives are the ones that most adamantly preach the ronnie gospel... 

ACTUALLY, IM PREACHING REALITY AND FACTS, TOXIC.

[Gord]

thats not a logical conclusion ya idiot...man...we got some morons on this site...

what you r saying is that people ONLY that have practiced pro bbing should comment on such a subject..

and thats NOT what i am saying...

i'm talking about an extrinsic factor...

yeesh...foolish try...

try again...

I'd have to acknowledge that trying to engage a tosser like you in a civilized discussion is indeed foolish (a foolish waste of time).

But one last point before I let you drown in your own self-adulation; you don't have to be a steroid user to know about the effects of steroids, just as you don't have to have suffered cancer to know about the effects of cancer.

Deep joy. 

[haider]

notice how folks that have been lifting all of 3 years    and never seen  an empty steroid bottle in their lives are the ones that most adamantly preach the ronnie gospel... 

LOL! I just dont see your point, Im no ronnie guy, but this hype around dorian I just dont see how it is true. Ok, so youve juiced for I dunno how many years, so you're able to convince me of something I dont even see? 

[ToxicAvenger]

ACTUALLY, IM PREACHING REALITY AND FACTS, TOXIC.

and in caps too ! Mr goti! 


how long have ya been in the sport?  2 years??..3 maybe???   

[Double XL]

On individual muscles Ron wins handily on almost all.

Overall, Yates has density few have had. That's about it. Ron has big advantages in most overall areas:

-Lines
-Structure
-X-taper
-Arms-no comparison & an essential criteria for superstardom, IMO
-Sweep
-Small joints/hips
-Volume

YOU FORGOT RONNIE BEATS YATES ON BACK, TRAPS, DELTS, HAMS, QUADS, SEPERATION, VASCULARITY, SIZE, SHAPE, AESTHETICS.



RONNIE BEATS YATES ON EVERYTHING EXEPT, CALVES, ABS, AND "GRAINYNESS"

[ToxicAvenger]

I'd have to acknowledge that trying to engage a tosser like you in a civilized discussion is indeed foolish (a foolish waste of time).

But one last point before I let you drown in your own self-adulation; you don't have to be a steroid user to know about the effects of steroids, just as you don't have to have suffered cancer to know about the effects of cancer.

Deep joy. 

cancer and roids..brilliant!!!  one is a drug and the other is a disease!  bravo!!!   encore!!!

...guess Ronnie fans are as dumb as ronnie sounds lol...

yeesh..ADULATION...lmao,....

[ToxicAvenger]

LOL! I just dont see your point, Im no ronnie guy, but this hype around dorian I just dont see how it is true. Ok, so youve juiced for I dunno how many years, so you're able to convince me of something I dont even see? 

1) experience is the greatest teacher right?   so how come you can judge juicers when you dont have experience juicing?

2) you r a relative noob..and i dont say that to demean ya..hell ..right now you prolly train more and harder then i do..however..one DOES get a feel for the sport that betters with experience ie time.


ASK any OLD TIMER AND THEY'LL SIDE WITH DORIAN...mostly only noobs side with ronnie..

why is that?

[ToxicAvenger]

IVE BEEN LIFTING FOR OVER 10 YEARS FYI.  IM NOT NATURAL, AND THAT'S NOT ME IN THOSE PICS I POSTED YOU FUCKING SKINNY LITTLE PAKI C*NT.

sooo you keep posting pix of other guyz with their shirts off?   i mean you have done this 2ice claiming that it ws you..

lmao..

ok fag! 

LMAO...

this is fun!

[Double XL]

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