https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/new-passengers-first-fully-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-covid-19/
Passengers aboard the first 100% vaccinated North American cruise tested positive for Covid-19.
Two passengers on the Celebrity Millennium, which is operated by Royal Caribbean, tested positive for Covid-19 during end-of-cruise testing which is conducted 72 hours before returning to the US.
I thought vaccines were supposed to prevent infection iEverything they have done is illogical but they are the "scientists" shaming everyone else for not believing their bullshit.
of the virus they are meant to vaccinate? For example, if you receive a hepatitis vaccine, you don't get hepatitis without symptoms. You don't get hepatitis.
If people that are vaccinated still get covid, how does it actually prevent mutations?
This situation gets more illogical by the day
Everything they have done is illogical but they are the "scientists" shaming everyone else for not believing their bullshit.
I know Math isn't a strong point for getbiggers, but the vaccines were reported to have around 90% efficacy. That means 1 in 10 can still get infected.
Cruises usually have 100s of passengers and a lot of old people who happen to be the most susceptible to infection even after vaccination. So having only 2 people test positive for the virus and be asymptomatic shows better than expected results for the vaccination programme.
Trust getbig to post an article that's actually validates the vaccination programme and then celebrate it as some kinda failure.
Good post. Yes, it appears that getbig is home to the 1%ers of retards.
Do you know what has a 99.6% efficacy? ............ getting COVID
I know Math isn't a strong point for getbiggers, but the vaccines were reported to have around 90% efficacy. That means 1 in 10 can still get infected.Nice spin on a virus that kills very few of the people who contract it. The vaccine is not needed.
Cruises usually have 100s of passengers and a lot of old people who happen to be the most susceptible to infection even after vaccination. So having only 2 people test positive for the virus and be asymptomatic shows better than expected results for the vaccination programme.
Trust getbig to post an article that's actually validates the vaccination programme and then celebrate it as some kinda failure.
I know Math isn't a strong point for getbiggers, but the vaccines were reported to have around 90% efficacy. That means 1 in 10 can still get infected.
Cruises usually have 100s of passengers and a lot of old people who happen to be the most susceptible to infection even after vaccination. So having only 2 people test positive for the virus and be asymptomatic shows better than expected results for the vaccination programme.
Trust getbig to post an article that's actually validates the vaccination programme and then celebrate it as some kinda failure.
Nice spin on a virus that kills very few of the people who contract it. The vaccine is not needed.
Nice spin on a virus that kills very few of the people who contract it. The vaccine is not needed.
Actually math IS my strong point, you Kunt, lol. I thought the article was funny. Go go fight your demons somewhere else, geesh.
I know Math isn't a strong point for getbiggers, but the vaccines were reported to have around 90% efficacy. That means 1 in 10 can still get infected.
Cruises usually have 100s of passengers and a lot of old people who happen to be the most susceptible to infection even after vaccination. So having only 2 people test positive for the virus and be asymptomatic shows better than expected results for the vaccination programme.
Trust getbig to post an article that's actually validates the vaccination programme and then celebrate it as some kinda failure.
I guess you did only post a link and qoute. You can't really be held responsible for the ensuing retardation.
Since we're speaking math here, why should someone who is not in a high risk group with a 99% chance of survival get a vaccine that is in a trial phase?
No retards on here- just people having fun posting.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/new-passengers-first-fully-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-covid-19/
Passengers aboard the first 100% vaccinated North American cruise tested positive for Covid-19.
Two passengers on the Celebrity Millennium, which is operated by Royal Caribbean, tested positive for Covid-19 during end-of-cruise testing which is conducted 72 hours before returning to the US.
Did you see me say that they should?
Did I say that YOU said this? This is what the Libby's and the Harris administration are telling us and I was curious as to how you felt. Care to share your thoughts?
My guess is vaccines will be redundant in a lot of places by next year anyway. The so called second wave didn't really take hold in a lot of places badly effected by the 1st wave. Partial immunity effects kicked in and by summer 2021 herd immunity should be there.
They can stick to vaccinating the elderly, vulnerable and key workers just like with flu
Fauci says: "Attacks on me are attacks on science".
Almost as much chutzpah as as saying "criticism of us is an attack on God".
Will people always fall for this hocus pocus. At this point, I'm beginning to think less of the people that fall for it than the scammers.
I know Math isn't a strong point for getbiggers, but the vaccines were reported to have around 90% efficacy. That means 1 in 10 can still get infected.
Cruises usually have 100s of passengers and a lot of old people who happen to be the most susceptible to infection even after vaccination. So having only 2 people test positive for the virus and be asymptomatic shows better than expected results for the vaccination programme.
Trust getbig to post an article that's actually validates the vaccination programme and then celebrate it as some kinda failure.
Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is a method widely used to rapidly make millions to billions of copies (complete copies or partial copies) of a specific DNA sample, allowing scientists to take a very small sample of DNA and amplify it (or a part of it) to a large enough amount to study in detail.
If we just went through a lethal pandemic...don't you think ANYONE would have noticed it?
And don't tell me that you know one 75-year-old who lives across the country who died of COVID. Elderly and sick people die. Dying with a virus in your body and dying of a virus are not the same thing.
Looking at all the sissies waiting in line to get the jab makes me want to throw up. Can’t believe how many people sleepwalk through life and eat up everything media shoves down their throats.The MSM must love their ability to control minds.
The MSM must love their ability to control minds.
This is a long post, but worth reading for anyone still buying in to the COVID fear narrative. As the months and years pass, the extent to which we were lied to about the nature of COVID as a threat will become undeniable. Sadly, in the event of a more deadly pandemic taking place, especially any time soon, I don't see people believing the experts next time, due to all the wolf-crying that happened with this one. Alas...there is a price to pay for lying.
That's possible. I'd have to get all the numbers and do the math.
I seem to recall reading that the Phizer gene therapy agent "vaccine" is 95% effective. That may not seem like a big difference, but it does change the math from 1 in 10 vaccinated people still getting the virus, to 1 in 20. That makes a difference when dealing with small numbers.
It's also possible that the "positive" test results for COVID using the PCR test are inaccurate at a very high rate, given that Dr. Kary Mullis, the biochemist and inventor of the PCR test himself - who invented the test in 1983, and won the 1993 Nobel Prize in CHEMISTRY [not in medicine] for doing so - said the test should not be used to test for viral infections:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zbU7X38zfwsY
The purpose of the PCR test is to amplify very small molecules, to make them measurable/readable to scientists and anyone else who needs to analyze small samples of genetic material that were impossible to read using methods used prior to the invention of PCR [polymerase chain reaction].
If you have ONE molecule of COVID in your body, and the PCR test amplifies that molecule in size by a factor of one billion, what you end up getting is a person who isn't even sick, who now goes in the COVID statistics as a "positive" case - this is why the mainstream media and Big Tech went from scaremongering about a pandemic, to scaremongering a "case-demic", with continual talk about thousands of "cases" of people who don't have any symptoms at all. This also drove the nonsense about "asymptotic carriers"; these were people who literally had no symptoms at all, who tested "positive" for COVID using the far too sensitive PCR test, which are literally 1,000 times more sensitive than needed to determine if someone is actually sick in any meaningful way, depending on the number of cycle thresholds used in the test [as opposed to being in the same room as someone with COVID at one point, and having a COVID molecule, or a handful of COVID molecules, in their body doing absolutely nothing to them]. If you amplify one molecule by over a BILLION times, you end up with masses of "positive" tests that mean absolutely nothing in practical terms.
Don't trust me - trust the Nobel Prize winning biochemist Kary Mullis who invented the PCR test:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wOSeTz57xrCF
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction
^ Does that sound like an appropriate MEDICAL method to test for a virus?
The purpose of the PCR test is to amplify the size of genetic material, in cases where genetic material is limited, and is needed for analysis by more than one party, or needed to be retested at future times when technology improves, allowing for cold cases to be solved. An example would be to solve a homicide where only one drop of blood was found at the scene [the 1985 murder of Diana Robertson in Tacoma, Washington comes to mind].
It's convenient that the PCR tests were used fraudulently to drive this massively overhyped pandemic starting two months after PCR test creator Dr. Kary Mullis died in August of 2019.
Since you are quick to insult the intelligence of Getbiggers and call into question their mathematics ability, my question for you is: why are you speaking positively of a gene therapy agent for a virus that over 99.95% of the global population survived?
>99.95%
That, and the global population went UP by 120 MILLION people in the past 18 months.
Generally speaking, do you apply that same level of concern you have for COVID to equally low-risk illnesses or events in your life? Do you drive a car? If so, why?
Forgive me if I'm assuming you are concerned about COVID more than you actually are. I'm just responding on the basis that you called Getbiggers unintelligent, presumably based on vaccine hesitancy, when COVID itself is such a non-threat that I am completely convinced that had the entire world done nothing, and not been psychologically terrorized by media about COVID being an existential threat, that we would not have even noticed a virus at all.
Can you sincerely tell me that you noticed a "pandemic" in the past 15 months, if not for business closures [100,000 small and medium-sized businesses in the USA, now permanently, due to bankruptcy caused by these measures], lockdowns, curfews, and the wearing of masks by most of the population by people who weren't even sick?
The average age of a COVID death in Canada is 82.5. in the USA, it is even older. 94% of people who died of COVID had 2-3 separate underlying health conditions, and the average lifespan lost by a person who died of COVID is around 22 months, according to life insurance actuarial tables.
Is this what you would call a concerning pandemic? Because if the global population keeps rising, I think we could eventually deal with a pandemic which is 100 times as lethal.
With all this being said, I'll leave you with this question:
If we just went through a lethal pandemic...don't you think ANYONE would have noticed it?
And don't tell me that you know one 75-year-old who lives across the country who died of COVID. Elderly and sick people die. Dying with a virus in your body and dying of a virus are not the same thing.
This is a long postImmediately stopped reading !! :D
Immediately stopped reading !! :D
half the people who have died recently in the UK with covid have been double jabbed...
half the people who have died recently in the UK with covid have been double jabbed...
Sounds like complete bullshit.
I thought vaccines were supposed to prevent infection i
of the virus they are meant to vaccinate? For example, if you receive a hepatitis vaccine, you don't get hepatitis without symptoms. You don't get hepatitis.
If people that are vaccinated still get covid, how does it actually prevent mutations?
This situation gets more illogical by the day
I know Math isn't a strong point for getbiggers, but the vaccines were reported to have around 90% efficacy. That means 1 in 10 can still get infected.///
Cruises usually have 100s of passengers and a lot of old people who happen to be the most susceptible to infection even after vaccination. So having only 2 people test positive for the virus and be asymptomatic shows better than expected results for the vaccination programme.
Trust getbig to post an article that's actually validates the vaccination programme and then celebrate it as some kinda failure.
Really? That's what you thought? The 94-95% efficacy numbers didn't register with you at all that there will be some who do get it. But notice the article says they are asymptomatic. The vaccine was supposed to keep it from killing you and apparently it has worked as touted.
My point was the covid vaccine is not a true vaccine.It never should have been upgraded for emergency use. Doctor Robert Malone who is an inventor of MRNA technology has shown logistics where the spike protein is circulating through the blood shortly after being delivered via the deltoid muscle. The spike protein is mostly ending up in the ovaries and bone marrow. It will be reactivating viruses which is why people are coming down with shingles. Long term affects will be cancer and fertility issues. This vaccine never should have been given to people. They are seeing myocarditis which is extremely concerning.
I already have over a 99% chance of recovering from covid. Getting a 'vaccine' that is literally in its trial phase is pointless. Anyone who feels they are at risk is welcome to get the shot to make them feel safe, just as anyone has a right to decline the vaccine.
Unfortunately, this is not the narrative Libby's are pushing.
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3000 passentgers on a typical cruise. 2 get it but are asymptomatic which means if they weren't tested they wouldn't even know they had it. I would call that a win..
Sigh......this COVID vaccination discussion is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Don't want it, don't trust it, then don't get it. Also, should you get COVID, don't come crying to others should you end up getting seriously ill. I, for one, have no sympathy for you. You made a choice....live with it or die as a result of it.
I cannot speak for other countries on whether the COVID vaccine is mandatory or it isn't. In the United States it is not. About 68% of the folks in Oregon have had at least one vaccination. When it reaches 70%, the masks, limits on occupancy and some other restrictions will be no longer necessary per the OHA and the governor. I suppose individual businesses, should they chose to, could continue to mandate masks. I doubt many will since it is bad for business.
Since being vaccinated, I've attended two family gatherings. After a year of literally no social life, I it feels great to get out and to see people again. Within a week or so, I expect most businesses will no longer require you wear a mask to enter their premises. I went out to breakfast on Saturday, if vaccinated, you did not have to wear a mask to walk from the door to your table. 3/4 of the restaurant had no restricted seating for those with a vaccine 'passport'. The remaining section had every other table closed. There was no waiting to be seated in the section for vaccinated people although it was almost full.
I have stated many times how uncomfortable wearing a mask is for me for a variety of reasons. I can hardly wait until we reach that 70% so I can put the damn masks away for good.
It never should have been upgraded for emergency use. Doctor Robert Malone who is an inventor of MRNA technology has shown logistics where the spike protein is circulating through the blood shortly after being delivered via the deltoid muscle. The spike protein is mostly ending up in the ovaries and bone marrow. It will be reactivating viruses which is why people are coming down with shingles. Long term affects will be cancer and fertility issues. This vaccine never should have been given to people. They are seeing myocarditis which is extremely concerning.
Sigh......this COVID vaccination discussion is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Don't want it, don't trust it, then don't get it. Also, should you get COVID, don't come crying to others should you end up getting seriously ill. I, for one, have no sympathy for you. You made a choice....live with it or die as a result of it.
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It never should have been upgraded for emergency use. Doctor Robert Malone who is an inventor of MRNA technology has shown logistics where the spike protein is circulating through the blood shortly after being delivered via the deltoid muscle. The spike protein is mostly ending up in the ovaries and bone marrow. It will be reactivating viruses which is why people are coming down with shingles. Long term affects will be cancer and fertility issues. This vaccine never should have been given to people. They are seeing myocarditis which is extremely concerning.Booty, you are back in my good graces. :-*
Quoted for future crow eating.
Just get your vaccin......no bullshit.I'm not taking advice from a doctor who can't even spell vaccine.
Says Dr Dutch, MD/MSc
I'm not taking advice from a doctor who can't even spell vaccine.
I hope you are right about my having to "eat crow." -Just read today about the more contagious Delta variant of the COVID virus from India which hit GB a little while back and has now arrived in the U.S. If I am wrong about the need for vaccinations, that's better than my right about it and more people who refuse to get vaccinated dying. But like I said, this is their choice. If they get seriously ill, it is hard for me to feel sorry for them.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/u-k-expected-to-delay-reopening-as-delta-variant-accounts-for-90-of-cases-and-u-s-court-upholds-mandatory-vaccination-11623680526
The delta variant symptom wise is actually a lot more like a cold. Runny nose rather than weird loss of smell etc.
Still deadly for the elderly and vulnerable, but they should already be vaccinated. For healthy individuals it's not any worse, so the more contagious nature of it isn't necessarily a bad thing. People develop natural immunity faster and things are back to normal.
Why is it not such a bad thing that the delta variant is more contagious? Because once you've had it you are immune to COVID. This is not necessarily true. Currently, it is unknown if recovered adults are definitively immune to SARS-CoV-2 reinfection because biologic markers of immunity have not been correlated with protection from infection. However, available evidence suggests that most recovered adults would have a degree of immunity for at least 90 days following initial diagnosis of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. Ninety days....is that it? Doesn't seem like much of an immunity to me. Getting the flu does not make us immune to getting it again. Getting a cold or pneumonia does not make us immune to them. In fact , people who have had pneumonia are more susceptible to getting it again.
Fauci says: "Attacks on me are attacks on science".
Almost as much chutzpah as as saying "criticism of us is an attack on God".
Will people always fall for this hocus pocus. At this point, I'm beginning to think less of the people that fall for it than the scammers.
Good post, Matt.
Immediately stopped reading !! :D
Me too.....actually never started since it was clear it was too long and probably redundant. Poor Matt....he's like a one trick pony....keeps ragging on the same old stuff ad nauseam.
You saw people who got a few sniffles, so this was worth closing down most of the economy, and going trillions of dollars in debt globally?
Canada's deficit spending during this pandemic exceeded $550 billion. That is enough money to provide $14,500 in healthcare [or any other service - or just a monetary payment] to all ~38 million people living in Canada.
$550 billion is enough to provide $550,000 in health care to a full ONE MILLION Canadians.
How much does a liver transplant, or other organ transplant cost? Let's say it costs around $550,000, which I imagine is probably close enough in the Western world. We could have provided organ transplants to literally every single Canadian in need of one for that much money.
Now let's analyze the tradeoff:
How much is the average lifespan increased from an organ transplant, in 2021? I suspect the average MUST be over five years, but might be decades longer these days, with advancing technology.
Do you know how much lifespan was lost per COVID death? 22 months.
The average death of a Canadian with COVID was 82.5 years old - according to all available statistics, these people would have died at 85, on average. Obviously SOME of them would have lived longer, but given that only 1 in 4 people who had COVID over 80 died of it [yes - C19 had a 75% survival rate for people over 80, LOL], we can probably assume those people who among the least 25% of healthy people as it is. But just taking a strict average, they had 22 months to live.
And by making everyone hysterical about COVID being an existential threat [it wasn't], we were all worrying about dying [not the rational ones - I'm talking about the potatoes like you], and didn't target resources to people ACTUALLY at risk:
- The extreme elderly.
- Those with alternate health conditions.
- The immunocompromised.
- The obese.
In fact, I would like you to point to ONE example of a healthy 39-year-old without separate underlying conditions [me] who died of COVID.
NAME ONE.
And if you could name one - or even ten - CONGRAGULATIONS, YOU JUST CHERRY-PICKED THEM ALL.
But please flexacon, tell me more about how you live in a COVID hotspot, and you saw many people get the sniffles, and how that justifies the BILLIONS of pounds in debt that England will be dealing with for years.
Do you REALLY think that was a rational tradeoff? Are you a liberal by chance?
Can't have people getting the sniffles, after all! ;D Oh, the humanity! :)
Matt, I believe you meant to quote someone else.
Really? That's what you thought? The 94-95% efficacy numbers didn't register with you at all that there will be some who do get it. But notice the article says they are asymptomatic. The vaccine was supposed to keep it from killing you and apparently it has worked as touted.
A “vaccine” for a man made virus, hmmm.
It’s needed though because the current industrialization and eco destruction are unsustainable.
For every new modern person there comes a ripple of impact.. whether it comes from trees cut down to wipe their asses or the thousands of pounds of plastics they will haphazardly dispose of.
It seems like it is meant to trim the fat, old, and unhealthy out of the picture.
These 2 people had no symptoms. So who is to say the test were not false positive. Remember all of those during football season.
Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is a method widely used to rapidly make millions to billions of copies (complete copies or partial copies) of a specific DNA sample, allowing scientists to take a very small sample of DNA and amplify it (or a part of it) to a large enough amount to study in detail
I saw it better than most given I live somewhere that was labelled a "global hotspot". The majority here caught coronavirus. I know loads of key workers who had to deal with the aftermath.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/north-london-suburb-global-covid-23540242
My answer is simple. You're still a potato.
I'm laughing my ass off at what a potato you are.To Flexacon or anyone else actually worried about COVID, read the Canadian statistics, and laugh your ass off.
These 2 people had no symptoms. So who is to say the test were not false positive. Remember all of those during football season.There are so many false positives, how do we know what is a positive positive?
These 2 people had no symptoms. So who is to say the test were not false positive. Remember all of those during football season.
Sigh......this COVID vaccination discussion is rapidly becoming irrelevant.
I'm laughing my ass off at what a potato you are.
It doesn't take intelligence to read a 3 page forum thread before posting. I guess typing walls of texts no one reads is easier when all you know is how to potato.
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/4331978496/h7D9A5800/hay-look-its-a-a-retarded-mrpotato-head)
you could try countering some of the points he made rather trhan calling him names, it makes you look pretty stupid
The virus taking out a large chunk of the elderly population is tragic, but at the same time the harsh reality is that it's a necessity.
Why would I try and countering some of his points when from the outset back in March I've said a lot of the same things myself?Good post, Im with you now..
Just because I call most of you retards for not understanding what you're talking about (like in this thread regarding the cruise liner) it doesn't mean I think your general conclusions over the pandemic and vaccinations are wrong. My bad for expecting retards to be able to understand that.
My first post back in Feb 2020 on the subject. Bare in mind I made this post before any lockdowns, before any pandemic models, before the virus was being discussed by mainstream media. I knew the price that would need to be paid to ensure we had the best outcome for the majority.
Matts a fucking potato on the subject as he thinks just because there were almost no cases in his little shithole corner of Canada, then that's what it must be like everywhere else. You can explain that isn't the case a 100 times in a 100 different ways and I've tried, but it doesn't register in his potato brain. His other points for the most, I don't disagree with.
Why would I try and countering some of his points when from the outset back in March I've said a lot of the same things myself?
Just because I call most of you retards for not understanding what you're talking about (like in this thread regarding the cruise liner) it doesn't mean I think your general conclusions over the pandemic and vaccinations are wrong. My bad for expecting retards to be able to understand that.
Flu viruses mutates, covid has variants. That's makes a huge difference when it comes to immunity.
The 90 day figure relates to antibodies in the blood. There are other forms of immunity. B and T cell immunity which can last for years, or even decades.
Also what they don't like telling is that those that had the original Sars some 20 years were immune to sars-cov2. I know you like using google to look for answers. Give it whirl.
That post of mine was actually worth reading. ;D It had a lot of relevant information - I'm sure there was some redundant areas, but it was pretty sound. :)
You also stated that the arguments Trump made about electoral fraud represented a "Frankenstein's Monster" according to the judge.
Ok, so WHAT EXACTLY is your argument?
The thing about me is that I deal with incredibly specific, objective things, that you can point to and refute IF they are incorrect [although they are usually correct].
For instance, my statement that the average age of a COVID death is 82.5 in Canada, and 84 in the USA. Is this wrong? And if I'm correct, WHY would I be afraid of such a virus?
What a motherfucking arrogant, self important asshole you are, lol.
All Vaccinated:
Royal Caribbean delays cruise ship after 8 crew members test positive for Covid
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/royal-caribbean-delays-cruise-ship-after-8-crew-members-test-n1270979
All Vaccinated:
Royal Caribbean delays cruise ship after 8 crew members test positive for Covid
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/royal-caribbean-delays-cruise-ship-after-8-crew-members-test-n1270979
Huh? I don't recall posting that some judge said in regards to election fraud and "Frankenstein's monster". If he said that, it was his statement not mine.
That your dealings are usually correct is your opinion. Others might say you are usually way off base.
Don't bring Chaos into this.
What a motherfucking arrogant, self important asshole you are, lol.
Yes, you were quoting the judge. They were not your words.
Not anymore. I make it clear if I'm posting my personal view.
I have decided to state facts, as the "progressive" left has become increasingly more insane.
If I say that heart disease and cancer are the two leading causes of death, I am stating a fact, not an opinion.
On that note, I welcome you to correct the above information, which I am fairly certain is still a fact [it was pre-COVID, and I don't think it has changed since then - but I could be wrong].
So by all means, Prime - please correct me.
If I'm wrong, I want to be corrected. It only helps me to correct me.
Spewing insults doesn't help me - and I don't think it helps anyone. It just degrades the quality of the board.
I do think adding some ad hominem in ADDITION to a reasoned argument [rather than in LIEU of one] is fine. But just include an argument! I hate when people just name-call, and don't post an argument.
So - am I wrong about heart disease and cancer being the two leading causes of death? If I am, please let me know. Again, you would be helping me to correct me.
Mr. RAT TERRIER LOVER!!
Mr. RAT TERRIER LOVER!!
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Yes, you were quoting the judge. They were not your words.
Not anymore. I make it clear if I'm posting my personal view.
I have decided to state facts, as the "progressive" left has become increasingly more insane.
If I say that heart disease and cancer are the two leading causes of death, I am stating a fact, not an opinion.
On that note, I welcome you to correct the above information, which I am fairly certain is still a fact [it was pre-COVID, and I don't think it has changed since then - but I could be wrong].
So by all means, Prime - please correct me.
If I'm wrong, I want to be corrected. It only helps me to correct me.
Spewing insults doesn't help me - and I don't think it helps anyone. It just degrades the quality of the board.
I do think adding some ad hominem in ADDITION to a reasoned argument [rather than in LIEU of one] is fine. But just include an argument! I hate when people just name-call, and don't post an argument.
So - am I wrong about heart disease and cancer being the two leading causes of death? If I am, please let me know. Again, you would be helping me to correct me.
Mr. RAT TERRIER LOVER!!
Mr. RAT TERRIER LOVER!!
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You are correct. The 14 different types cardiovascular disease combined are the #1 cause of death in the world (about 18 million in 2017). More than 100 different types of cancers combined are #2 cause of death in the world (about 9.5 million in 2017).
It is estimated that 3 million people died as a result of COVID-19 and it's varients in 2020.
If numbers told the whole story, COVID-19 is about 4th on the list of causes of death. The one thing to consider is that COVID is essentially one disease whereas the #1 and #2 causes cover a multitude of different non-communicable health conditions. COVID is a communicable disease where the other two are not. Despite that you sometimes hear someone say he/she gave me a heart attack. LOL.
FYI, lucky for you I don't consider being called Mr. Rat Terrier lover name calling. ;D
COVID isnt a disease.
COVID isnt a disease.
Is this some manner of trick reply?
If it is not a disease, what would you say it is then?
The World Health Organization seems to think it is a disease.
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by a newly discovered coronavirus.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1
Do you know something about COVID-19 they do not?
Is this some manner of trick reply?
If it is not a disease, what would you say it is then?
The World Health Organization seems to think it is a disease.
Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by a newly discovered coronavirus.
https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1
Do you know something about COVID-19 they do not?
Its a man-made flu-bug.
Cancer is a disease.
You are correct. The 14 different types cardiovascular disease combined are the #1 cause of death in the world (about 18 million in 2017). More than 100 different types of cancers combined are #2 cause of death in the world (about 9.5 million in 2017).
It is estimated that 3 million people died as a result of COVID-19 and it's varients in 2020.
If numbers told the whole story, COVID-19 is about 4th on the list of causes of death. The one thing to consider is that COVID is essentially one disease whereas the #1 and #2 causes cover a multitude of different non-communicable health conditions. COVID is a communicable disease where the other two are not. Despite that you sometimes hear someone say he/she gave me a heart attack. LOL.
FYI, lucky for you I don't consider being called Mr. Rat Terrier lover name calling. ;D
Most of the Covid deaths had co-morbidities. If you only include people that died of just Covid the number of covid deaths would be much lower.
It never should have been upgraded for emergency use. Doctor Robert Malone who is an inventor of MRNA technology has shown logistics where the spike protein is circulating through the blood shortly after being delivered via the deltoid muscle. The spike protein is mostly ending up in the ovaries and bone marrow. It will be reactivating viruses which is why people are coming down with shingles. Long term affects will be cancer and fertility issues. This vaccine never should have been given to people. They are seeing myocarditis which is extremely concerning.
Thats why i opted for astra Zeneca too much unknown with MRNA technology, i figured I'm immunised for other diseases, If I'm required to be immunised for Covid, i at least want to do it with the same manufacturing technique method as my previous vaccinations.
Im not pro Covid I still think Hydroxy chloroquine would work ivermectin effectively,and the disease kills mainly those with underlying issues or people with obesity. I just want to get on a plane and travel again, if two shots is all it will take. Good.
You’re a disease, Soggy. Know that for certain.
How does one die just of COVID? What does that mean? COVID causes respiratory failure among other things. I think you have to ask the question, would this person have died at the time they did, had they not had COVID? If the answer is no, then they died of COVID.
This AAMC article describes how COVID deaths are counted.
How are COVID-19 deaths counted? It’s complicated
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated
I will make this simple and easy to understand for all.
1. A high percentage of people that died of covid had other ailments that contributed to their death.
2. If someone was in a car accident and had covid, it was considered a covid death. I someone had a heart attack and tested positive for covid, it was considered a covid death.
3. If you don't have these ailments, your risk of a dying from Covid is low ( depending on age of course) and the 600,000+ deaths being reported as covid deaths is misleading.
My point is, for younger, healthy people, covid is not a serious health concern and no need to be vaccinated.
2.
Yep - it's amazing how people's complete understanding of what you just posted has driven this fraud.
[1] According to the CDC, 94% of people dying of Covid-19 had 2-3 separate health conditions [per 10 people dying of Covid-19, they collectively had 26 separate health conditions]. This means that out of the 600,000 people who died, a staggering 564,000 had 2-3 separate underlying health conditions! That means that only 36,000 people died exclusively of Covid-19!
[2] Among the people who "died of Covid-19" [according to the disingenuous, misleading, and I would say outright FRAUDULENT reporting of such deaths, as explained in my previous point], the average age of a death in the USA is 84! In Canada, that figure is 82.5!
On top of that, even in the 80-89 age group, there is a 75% chance of survival. That means that Covid-19 only killed the 25% of least healthy people.
If you take an AVERAGE 84-year-old person, they only have 22 months left to live according to life insurance actuarial tables. Go online to any life insurance rate calculator, and punch in 84 as your age, and see what the rate is - the rate is so high, because there such a high probability that you will die within the next few years. Likewise, if we take supercentenarians [people who are aged 110 or older], there is a 75% chance that they won't make it to the next year. So a 110-year-old has a 25% chance of living to age 111, and would then subsequently have a 25% chance of making it to 112.
I would say that, given the health status of those dying of Covid-19, that it's more likely that the people dying were in their last year of life, had Covid-19 not existed. But even an extreme mathematical estimate is that probably 85% of them were somewhere in the last five years of their life.
I think of it this way:
Say there was a virus that killed people who were on average 100 years of age, with 10 separate underlying health conditions. Should the average person be afraid of such a virus? HELL NO.
But that's what they did to make everyone afraid of this virus - they took a virus that poses virtually no threat to anyone who isn't either [1] severely elderly, [2] has multiple underlying health conditions, is [3] immunocompromised, or [4] is extremely obese or otherwise unhealthy, and made us all afraid on the basis of complete mathematical manipulation combined with people's natural fear of death!
What a complete fraud!
It's wretched that people's fear has been made to make people afraid of their fellow man and woman, as governments worldwide have used this to clamp down on freedoms. Very depressing.
But oh well - some people want to be afraid, I guess.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/new-passengers-first-fully-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-covid-19/
Passengers aboard the first 100% vaccinated North American cruise tested positive for Covid-19.
Two passengers on the Celebrity Millennium, which is operated by Royal Caribbean, tested positive for Covid-19 during end-of-cruise testing which is conducted 72 hours before returning to the US.
A “vaccine” for a man made virus, hmmm.
I’ve been spending a lot of time communicating face to face with my computer and phone screens while wearing no mask. Now I’m feeling funny.
Has it been proven we can’t catch covid via intranet communications?
I’m nervous.
I will make this simple and easy to understand for all.
1. A high percentage of people that died of covid had other ailments that contributed to their death.
2. If someone was in a car accident and had covid, it was considered a covid death. I someone had a heart attack and tested positive for covid, it was considered a covid death.
3. If you don't have these ailments, your risk of a dying from Covid is low ( depending on age of course) and the 600,000+ deaths being reported as covid deaths is misleading.
My point is, for younger, healthy people, covid is not a serious health concern and no need to be vaccinated.
You are entitled to an opinion. How valid it is depends on your credentials. If COVID never happened, would these folks you mention have died when they did?
As far as deaths related to car accidents being wrongly attributed to COVID, this is possible, but highly unlikely and certainly not likely enough to affect COVID stats.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce
You are entitled to an opinion. How valid it is depends on your credentials. If COVID never happened, would these folks you mention have died when they did?
As far as deaths related to car accidents being wrongly attributed to COVID, this is possible, but highly unlikely and certainly not likely enough to affect COVID stats.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce
The track record, to date , of the so-called experts has been very poor. For example, a large majority of the hospitalizations have been among obese people. Yet the prescription for these people was to remain in their homes where they had nothing to do but eat, and where they got no exercise. And now it turns out that outdoor transmissions were essentially a non-issue.
I’ve been spending a lot of time communicating face to face with my computer and phone screens while wearing no mask. Now I’m feeling funny.
Has it been proven we can’t catch covid via intranet communications?
I’m nervous.
You are entitled to an opinion. How valid it is depends on your credentials. If COVID never happened, would these folks you mention have died when they did?
As far as deaths related to car accidents being wrongly attributed to COVID, this is possible, but highly unlikely and certainly not likely enough to affect COVID stats.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce
It saddens me to read your post. Your lack of understanding of actuarial statistics is so poor, that I don't think there is anything I can do or say to make you understand anything I say about it - which is not my opinion, but is objectively factual and independently verifiable.
In any event, to answer your question, with the average age of a Covid-19 death in the USA being 84 years old, and with 94% of people dying having 2-3 separate underlying health conditions, in all probability [according to actuarial tables - the same ones used to set life insurance rates based on the probable number of years people have left to live], these people were likely in the last year of their lives.
Even without underlying conditions, the average person who is 84 only has an average of around 22 months left to live. Add underlying conditions to the equation, and the projected lifespan gets even shorter.
So yes, Mr. Rat Terrier Lover [ ;D], most likely, these people would have died very soon, even if there was no Covid-19, and the fact that the global population INCREASED by the usual rate of 80 million per year, is evidence of that.
How else do you explain the low number of excess deaths?
Where are the bodies, Prime? Where are the obituaries saying people are dying of Covid-19? Where are all the celebrity deaths of Covid-19? Where are the hearses driving by?
Don't you think that during a lethal pandemic, you would...well...NOTICE IT?
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Don't trust me - trust your own eyes. Does anything you notice feel like a pandemic to you, other than the forced masking, to keep giving people a visual reminder of a pandemic, when all available evidence shows very few people are dying.
Out of curiosity, Prime - how many people do you know who have had Covid-19? How many died of it?
Read what I wrote, which was, they died when they did. Meaning at that moment in time....not sometime within a year.
I personally know 2 people who died from COVID. One was a senior with an underlying respiratory condition and the other was a 46 year old school teacher who was otherwise in good health and who had not been vaccinated because she had a fear of needles.
To the best of my knowledge, I do not personally know anyone who has had COVID and recovered. Should I start calling my friends and asking them if they have had it?
How old is your mom now? Is old enough that she's more likely to get seriously sick or even die should she contract COVID?
One would hope the bodies have been either cremated or buried depending on one's wishes. Otherwise 600,000 bodies would really start to stink the place up.
Each day the Oregonian publishes the number of new COVID cases and the number of deaths from the previous day in Oregon.
Coronavirus in Oregon: 7 deaths, 247 cases as downtrend officially ends
Updated Jun 17, 5:08 PM; Posted Jun 16, 5:59 PM
Read what I wrote, which was, they died when they did. Meaning at that moment in time....not sometime within a year.
I personally know 2 people who died from COVID. One was a senior with an underlying respiratory condition and the other was a 46 year old school teacher who was otherwise in good health and who had not been vaccinated because she had a fear of needles.
To the best of my knowledge, I do not personally know anyone who has had COVID and recovered. Should I start calling my friends and asking them if they have had it?
How old is your mom now? Is old enough that she's more likely to get seriously sick or even die should she contract COVID?
One would hope the bodies have been either cremated or buried depending on one's wishes. Otherwise 600,000 bodies would really start to stink the place up.
Each day the Oregonian publishes the number of new COVID cases and the number of deaths from the previous day in Oregon.
Coronavirus in Oregon: 7 deaths, 247 cases as downtrend officially ends
Updated Jun 17, 5:08 PM; Posted Jun 16, 5:59 PM
It saddens me to read your post. Your lack of understanding of actuarial statistics is so poor, that I don't think there is anything I can do or say to make you understand anything I say about it - which is not my opinion, but is objectively factual and independently verifiable.
In any event, to answer your question, with the average age of a Covid-19 death in the USA being 84 years old, and with 94% of people dying having 2-3 separate underlying health conditions, in all probability [according to actuarial tables - the same ones used to set life insurance rates based on the probable number of years people have left to live], these people were likely in the last year of their lives.
Even without underlying conditions, the average person who is 84 only has an average of around 22 months left to live. Add underlying conditions to the equation, and the projected lifespan gets even shorter.
So yes, Mr. Rat Terrier Lover [ ;D], most likely, these people would have died very soon, even if there was no Covid-19, and the fact that the global population INCREASED by the usual rate of 80 million per year, is evidence of that.
How else do you explain the low number of excess deaths?
Where are the bodies, Prime? Where are the obituaries saying people are dying of Covid-19? Where are all the celebrity deaths of Covid-19? Where are the hearses driving by?
Don't you think that during a lethal pandemic, you would...well...NOTICE IT?
...
Don't trust me - trust your own eyes. Does anything you notice feel like a pandemic to you, other than the forced masking, to keep giving people a visual reminder of a pandemic, when all available evidence shows very few people are dying.
Out of curiosity, Prime - how many people do you know who have had Covid-19? How many died of it?
HAHAHAHA!!!!
MATT C CALLING THE SOGGY OLD PEDO QUEER STUPID!
THE CUT & PASTE PEDO GETS SLAPPED AROUND BY SPASTIC MATTY!
POST THE MELTING OLD PHAGGOT PHOTO SO WE CAN ALL LAUGH AND RIDICULE.
His long division is not good. :-\
I told my friend "94.5% of Canadians who died were 60 years old or older."
He said "I didn't realize you were a virologist." LOL.
Because dividing two numbers on a calculator requires being a virologist? ???
Liberals annoy me. Too bad Canada is infested with them. Prime would feel right at home here.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/new-passengers-first-fully-vaccinated-north-american-cruise-test-positive-covid-19/
Passengers aboard the first 100% vaccinated North American cruise tested positive for Covid-19.
Two passengers on the Celebrity Millennium, which is operated by Royal Caribbean, tested positive for Covid-19 during end-of-cruise testing which is conducted 72 hours before returning to the US.
I am pissing my pants laughing.The old fuck is petrified of death. Biggest pussy on Getbig!
That senile old cock-sukker fancies himself an expert on everything, yet all he does is Google a bunch of shit that he doesn’t even understand or he tries to use in entirely the wrong context.
I swear to God the dumb fucker has no life and just comes here to argue and get abused.
He wouldn’t know the statistics behind the pandemic if they were fed to him through a gloryhole.
(Sogster) wouldn’t know the statistics behind the pandemic if they were fed to him through a gloryhole.
So to be clear, 16+ months into a pandemic, you know a STAGGERING two people who died?
The old fuck is petrified of death. Biggest pussy on Getbig!
The old fuck is petrified of death. Biggest pussy on Getbig!Wes is just petrified.
One of my mates is one of those proud vaccine wankers who thinks everyone should be made to have it just because he’s a fucking fat sack of shit with loads of obesity and alcohol related ailments that mean hes “high risk”, fucking fat useless cuntWorld is full of fat fucks with diseased minds that think like your pos friend!
World is full of fat fucks with diseased minds that think like your pos friend!
It’s fucking annoying the way they think mate, it’s like “I’ve spent my whole life treating my body like absolute shit being a lazy and greedy pig but everyone else should get vaccinated to protect me” fuck that shit the fucking vile worthless cuntsMy inlaws are like your c unt friend unfortunately.
Most of the hospitalizations have been among obese people. So, their lack of discipline and disgusting behavior has strained the health system and put the rest of us at risk.Another reason to hate fat people.
Another reason to hate fat people.What if they still have a hint of abdominals?
What if they still have a hint of abdominals?That could be an exception.
What if they still have a hint of abdominals?
Sorry bro, I say this with love (no homo) as I'm generally pro shizzo, but what you call hint of abdominals is really the crease left behind by your fat folds.I'm clearly in my off-season. Think of Lee Priest with a bucket of KFC off-season. I'm waiting for my muscle memory/maturity to kick in. Dorian's black and white photos weren't built overnight. I'm in it for the long haul. Or was it a U-Haul?
What you call (a) hint of abdominals is really the crease left behind by … fat folds.
One of my mates is one of those proud vaccine wankers who thinks everyone should be made to have it just because he’s a fucking fat sack of shit with loads of obesity and alcohol related ailments that mean hes “high risk”, fucking fat useless cunt
Seems like the hard push of this scam is winding down. Probably will ramp up again in the fall for booster shots.
Governor Cuomo Announces Mass Vaccination Sites to Begin Downscaling
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-mass-vaccination-sites-begin-downscaling
Most of the people wanting to get vaccinated have been by now. That is why vaccinations are winding down.
Weeding out the retardz first...
Time will tell. Better hope you are right.
A friend from worked died today. Hospitalized 6 weeks ago with covid. Pneumonia, coma, trach...Now gone. He turned 60 today. Huge anti masker, anti vaxxer, no social distancing, etc. Wonder if he'd do anything different during the last year?Sorry to hear that.
Sorry to hear that.
Did your friend didn't have any underlying conditions or co-morbidities then his death was an anomaly.
One of my mates is one of those proud vaccine wankers who thinks everyone should be made to have it just because he’s a fucking fat sack of shit with loads of obesity and alcohol related ailments that mean hes “high risk”, fucking fat useless cunt
A friend from worked died today. Hospitalized 6 weeks ago with covid. Pneumonia, coma, trach...Now gone. He turned 60 today. Huge anti masker, anti vaxxer, no social distancing, etc. Wonder if he'd do anything different during the last year?
A friend from worked died today. Hospitalized 6 weeks ago with covid. Pneumonia, coma, trach...Now gone. He turned 60 today. Huge anti masker, anti vaxxer, no social distancing, etc. Wonder if he'd do anything different during the last year?
Underlying issues ? only stupidity and a mild case of conspiracy theorist syndrome that ultimately got him killed. ;D
He poked science/common sense/karma in the eye and it poked back harder.
He poked science/common sense/karma in the eye and it poked back harder.
Regardless, he's an anomaly. His supposed reaction and death is not likely for most healthy people that get Covid.
wooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Mask mandate and use efficacy in state-level COVID-19 containment
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1
Has there been anything that we’ve been told by the so-called experts that has been proven correct? Seems to me that everything has been wrong: Lockdowns, masks, outdoor transmission percentages, fatality rates…Election Results
Two people in Oregon died of COVID yesterday. One was 59 with no underlying conditions and the other person was 49 with contributing conditions. What's going on here Matt? You said only old folks who are like over 90 are dying of COVID and those people also have underlying health issues. Has COVID morphed into a virus that is now going after younger unmasked and unvaccinated people?
Two people in Oregon died of COVID yesterday. One was 59 with no underlying conditions and the other person was 49 with contributing conditions. What's going on here Matt? You said only old folks who are like over 90 are dying of COVID and those people also have underlying health issues. Has COVID morphed into a virus that is now going after younger unmasked and unvaccinated people?
In Canada, 5.5% of COVID deaths were among people under 60 [94.5% have been aged 60+]. Of that 5.5%, 3.6% were among people aged 50-59.
That means that around 1 in 28 deaths from [or more accurately, WITH] Covid-19 is a person between 50-59. As he was closer to 60, that number goes up slightly.
If I was in that age group, I would *consider* getting the vaccine...but even then, probably not.
It's sort of on the cusp.
Among the 600K or so Americans who have died of Covid-19, 94% of them had 2-3 comorbidities, on average.
That means that only 36,000 healthy Americans with no underlying conditions have died of Covid-19. That's just south of 1 in 10,000.
Even among those healthy 36,000 people, the average age was 84.
In fact, if your coworker was healthy and had no other health conditions, I'd hazard a guess that you are actually lying here, Abraham.
If you're not, please accept my apologies. But if your coworker was healthy, his death was a complete anomaly.
If your friend was overweight or obese, or had other health conditions, he should have taken C19 more seriously. So his death really depends on all of that information.
PS - I don't mean to call you a liar...but I do need to emphasize how unlikely it is for a 59-year-old healthy man to die of C19 based on all available current data. But you didn't mention his health status, so I don't want to make that claim. I just want to say that it is unlikely.
Why would I try and countering some of his points when from the outset back in March I've said a lot of the same things myself?Well said !!!!!!!! LOL ;D
Just because I call most of you retards for not understanding what you're talking about (like in this thread regarding the cruise liner) it doesn't mean I think your general conclusions over the pandemic and vaccinations are wrong. My bad for expecting retards to be able to understand that.
My first post back in Feb 2020 on the subject. Bare in mind I made this post before any lockdowns, before any pandemic models, before the virus was being discussed by mainstream media. I knew the price that would need to be paid to ensure we had the best outcome for the majority.
Matts a fucking potato on the subject as he thinks just because there were almost no cases in his little shithole corner of Canada, then that's what it must be like everywhere else. You can explain that isn't the case a 100 times in a 100 different ways and I've tried, but it doesn't register in his potato brain. His other points for the most, I don't disagree with.
Two people in Oregon died of COVID yesterday. One was 59 with no underlying conditions and the other person was 49 with contributing conditions. What's going on here Matt? You said only old folks who are like over 90 are dying of COVID and those people also have underlying health issues. Has COVID morphed into a virus that is now going after younger unmasked and unvaccinated people?
These are an anomaly. Simple. Nothing more, but MSM will force a different narrative.
I have a larger risk of dying in a car accident than dying of covid
Should I sell my car?
Yes, you should sell your car. :)
The daily COVID stats published in the Oregon are reported by Oregon counties and the OHA Oregon Health Authority......neither of which is MSM.
Latest numbers out of Britain, draw your own conclusions on vaccination, as Ive said previously i don't give two shites what anyone does as long as they are not imposing their position on me.
Britain is recording more than 10,000 new cases of COVID-19 a day, with about 220 patients admitted to hospital each day, according to the most recent data.
The number of patients in hospital has been relatively steady, at about 1300 each day the past week.
On most days, the number of deaths within 28 days of a positive test is fewer than 10. The number of people dying with flu and pneumonia, at 1163 in the week ending June 11, was more than 10 times the figure of 84 for deaths with COVID-19 in the same period.
Only 0.8 per cent of deaths are COVID-related, even as infections have surged.
Of Britain’s 67 million people, 43 million have had a first dose of COVID-19 vaccination – mostly AstraZeneca, but some people are getting Pfizer or Moderna – and 31.5 million have also had a second dose.
Of the people admitted to hospital in England in the past week, 65 per cent were unvaccinated, and only 10 per cent were more than a fortnight past their second dose.
Yes, you should sell your car. :)
The daily COVID stats published in the Oregon are reported by Oregon counties and the OHA Oregon Health Authority......neither of which is MSM.
Everything in OR is libturded, so believe none of it.
LOL! It might surprise you to learn that although there are more registered Democrats than Republicans in Oregon, the difference is not that great. In 2020 there were 958,448 registered Republicans (40.3%) and 1,340,383 registered Democrats (56.4%). Most of the Democrats reside in Portland and Eugene. More rural areas of the state are mainly Republican.
A case is a positive PCR test result. The test is completely meaningless and returns false positives at an arbitrary rate determined by political purposes. Tests are also mandatory for many occupations and for attending many events so there are millions of people who can be potentially used as "cases". They could decide to inflate it to 100,000 cases a day tomorrow if they wanted.
The data they can't fudge is all-cause mortalities, because you can't conjure bodies out of thin air. All-cause mortalities have been stable over the past few years. This suggests covid deaths have largely been redirected from elsewhere most commonly flu deaths, since the narrative is that we had no flu season, despite flu being a comorbidity in 50% of covid deaths.
It takes very little data to completely debunk the mainstream narrative on covid. Believing it requires a suspension of disbelief.
A friend from worked died today. Hospitalized 6 weeks ago with covid. Pneumonia, coma, trach...Now gone. He turned 60 today. Huge anti masker, anti vaxxer, no social distancing, etc. Wonder if he'd do anything different during the last year?
Crazy.
One of my Dad's good friends is the same, hardcore conservative. None masker, no vaccine either.
76 years old, smokes cigars, drinks, a little fat and had a previous heart surgery.
Him and his wife both got Covid 3 weeks ago and recovered in about 10 days.
The man went to the Hospital for 3 days, but didn't require a vent or anything. Just monitored because he was high risk.
Today they still feel the same way; no mask, no vaccine, etc.
Sorry about your friend, an illness doesn't understand politics unfortunately.
The good news is they probably developed some immunity to COVID. The bad news is that it is at this time unknown how long it lasts.But it’s still better immunity, than from a Covid vaccine.
But it’s still better immunity, than from a Covid vaccine.
......just on radio, they gonna build quarantine camps near Brisbane & Perth ....... ???Yes I heard that too. Does that mean that quarantine is here to stay??? Because so far he’s resisted building any quarantine buildings. He has no intention of ever opening this country up. I am actually tired of fortress Australia.
Yes I heard that too. Does that mean that quarantine is here to stay??? Because so far he’s resisted building any quarantine buildings. He has no intention of ever opening this country up. I am actually tired of fortress Australia.
It’s your second winter of Covid over there. We’ve already gone through two here. When the weather warms up cases will fall off a cliff and they’ll credit the vaccines for the drop and open things up.
Yes I heard that too. Does that mean that quarantine is here to stay??? Because so far he’s resisted building any quarantine buildings. He has no intention of ever opening this country up. I am actually tired of fortress Australia.
Dozens of FIFO (fly in/fly out) mining camps around , almost like 4* hotels !. Why to build Covid resorts !.No I watched queen of the south on Netflix last night but this new season is not as good. I am not into it as much as previous ones.
Indians would like them 8)
Have you been watching ladies rugby State of Origin last night :)
Last year when the weather warmed up cases didn't really drop off. This year people are vaccinated, the weather has warmed up and pretty much the only people dying or getting sick are the unvaccinated.
It’s your second winter of Covid over there. We’ve already gone through two here. When the weather warms up cases will fall off a cliff and they’ll credit the vaccines for the drop and open things up.We don’t have any serious Covid cases here. No deaths this year from Covid. More deaths from the vaccines and that’s okay by our government. It’s ground hog day here. Seasons here don’t make any difference. It’s all the same. I am envious of how the USA is living with this Covid.
No I watched queen of the south on Netflix last night but this new season is not as good. I am not into it as much as previous ones.
Why do I think he’s going to build when he’s got mining camps available? Probably to stall. If he wanted to build quarantine facilities, he already would have done so.
We don’t have any serious Covid cases here. No deaths this year from Covid. More deaths from the vaccines and that’s okay by our government. It’s ground hog day here. Seasons here don’t make any difference. It’s all the same. I am envious of how the USA is living with this Covid.
But it’s still better immunity, than from a Covid vaccine.
Wrong. Cases fell off a cliff last year as they do every year at the end of flu season:
Packed rugby stadion ::) , looks like 'covid' don't affects rugby matches !.Spot on!
Political BS & nothing else !.
FIFO camps a near airports too , so there is no logics !.
But it’s still better immunity, than from a Covid vaccine.
Define better.Having natural Covid anti bodies gives much better protection than the vaccine. The vaccine is more dangerous than Covid. In Israel cases are increasing amongst the vaccinated.
No it's not. The recent statistics back this up. Even though you have a fetish for being chili dogged and burning coal, I've never pegged you for being retarded.They don’t. Look at what’s happening in Israel and the UK. I don’t have any fetishes. It’s you that has. Don’t deflect you sicko stuff back onto me. And the reason why you can’t accept what I am telling you about the vaccines is because you’ve had the vaccine. And I would be pretty scared too. There will be long term sides. You only have to see what’s coming out. Myocarditis being one amongst the young vaccinated.
They don’t. Look at what’s happening in Israel and the UK. I don’t have any fetishes. It’s you that has. Don’t deflect you sicko stuff back onto me. And the reason why you can’t accept what I am telling you about the vaccines is because you’ve had the vaccine. And I would be pretty scared too. There will be long term sides. You only have to see what’s coming out. Myocarditis being one amongst the young vaccinated.On the upside in Israel and the U.K., despite the new Delta variant outbreak, both countries' current hospitalization and death rate remain close to zero.
Define better.
… and parents relenting and letting their kids do what they want.
They don’t. Look at what’s happening in Israel and the UK. I don’t have any fetishes. It’s you that has. Don’t deflect you sicko stuff back onto me. And the reason why you can’t accept what I am telling you about the vaccines is because you’ve had the vaccine. And I would be pretty scared too. There will be long term sides. You only have to see what’s coming out. Myocarditis being one amongst the young vaccinated.
They don’t. Look at what’s happening in Israel and the UK. I don’t have any fetishes. It’s you that has. Don’t deflect you sicko stuff back onto me. And the reason why you can’t accept what I am telling you about the vaccines is because you’ve had the vaccine. And I would be pretty scared too. There will be long term sides. You only have to see what’s coming out. Myocarditis being one amongst the young vaccinated.
On the upside in Israel and the U.K., despite the new Delta variant outbreak, both countries' current hospitalization and death rate remain close to zero.I am not an anti-vaxxer but I am against these Covid vaccines.
Are you just anti-COVID vaccine or an anti-vaxxer in general?
We just buried an idiot I work with who wasn't vaccinated. I have no doubt he'd still be with us if he had. And, you are partially correct. I am vaccinated fully. I wake up each day with zero regret. Not an ounce of fear in my body regarding the vaccine. You are the one filled with regret. Don't be. There is a whole subculture of dudes out there who love to shit on and plow big, fake tits.My body, my choice. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I had the vaccine, knowing what I know about them. The regulators and doctors know that there’s no way to know the long term sides because they test for auto immune diseases and cancers for 3 years in animals prior to giving to humans. The vaccinated are the animals.
My body, my choice. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I had the vaccine, knowing what I know about them. The regulators and doctors know that there’s no way to know the long term sides because they test for auto immune diseases and cancers for 3 years in animals prior to giving to humans. The vaccinated are the animals.
Nobody should argue that it is your choice what your put into your body including vaccines. I just don't get why you think you have special knowledge about these vaccines much of the rest of the world does not. You may know people who have had negative experiences that influence your thinking, but unless you are an expert in virology and pharmacology, I rather doubt you know more than the rest of us do.Prime, there won’t be any lawsuits because the manufacturers have been given full indemnity. And when Australians here take a Covid vaccine, they sign a waiver to say they know the risks and the government here is not held accountable. I dare say it’s the same or similar world wide. I know that in the USA they are wanting vaccine passports to travel. Here in Australia, getting vaccinated offers no difference as even fully vaccinated you can’t travel and must endure lockdowns etc. So that means that a fully vaccinated person who wishes to enter Australia, must still go into quarantine for 14 days at your own expense…. Same as an unvaccinated. The reason for this is because you can still transmit the virus.
One thing you are absolutely correct about is the speed at which these vaccines have been approved for use against COVID as compared to other medications for other ailments and diseases. No doubt there is a huge gamble involved. If people who have been vaccinated start dropping off like flies, the lawsuits will put these manufacturers out of business.
With everything in life there are trade offs. If someone is confident they are healthy enough to survive COVID and they fear the unknown long-term effects of the vaccine greatly then they will probably make the decision you have. It's all a matter of what you fear more. Of course other issue might contribute to one's decision about the vaccine. Such as, if you need to travel for work and travel is restricted for folks not vaccinated, then they would have to choose between their fears and their livelihood. Or if like me, half your family lives in a different country and either your country or theirs restricts travel based on being vaccinated, some like me would rather be able to visit family than worry about unknown side effects from vaccinations.
Nobody should argue that it is your choice what your put into your body including vaccines. I just don't get why you think you have special knowledge about these vaccines much of the rest of the world does not. You may know people who have had negative experiences that influence your thinking, but unless you are an expert in virology and pharmacology, I rather doubt you know more than the rest of us do.
One thing you are absolutely correct about is the speed at which these vaccines have been approved for use against COVID as compared to other medications for other ailments and diseases. No doubt there is a huge gamble involved. If people who have been vaccinated start dropping off like flies, the lawsuits will put these manufacturers out of business.
With everything in life there are trade offs. If someone is confident they are healthy enough to survive COVID and they fear the unknown long-term effects of the vaccine greatly then they will probably make the decision you have. It's all a matter of what you fear more. Of course other issue might contribute to one's decision about the vaccine. Such as, if you need to travel for work and travel is restricted for folks not vaccinated, then they would have to choose between their fears and their livelihood. Or if like me, half your family lives in a different country and either your country or theirs restricts travel based on being vaccinated, some like me would rather be able to visit family than worry about unknown side effects from vaccinations.
Prime, there won’t be any lawsuits because the manufacturers have been given full indemnity. And when Australians here take a Covid vaccine, they sign a waiver to say they know the risks and the government here is not held accountable. I dare say it’s the same or similar world wide. I know that in the USA they are wanting vaccine passports to travel. Here in Australia, getting vaccinated offers no difference as even fully vaccinated you can’t travel and must endure lockdowns etc. So that means that a fully vaccinated person who wishes to enter Australia, must still go into quarantine for 14 days at your own expense…. Same as an unvaccinated. The reason for this is because you can still transmit the virus.
I am not a virologist etc… I am an average person. But seeing what’s happening in regards to blood clots, myocarditis, strange heavy periods etc and then hearing from the inventor of the MRNA vaccine, that the spike protein breaks off and travels through the blood after 4 hours of being injected into the deltoid is enough to know that these vaccines are going to cause more harm down the line.
Here’s Joey admitting the US conducts medical experiments on its citizens:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/25/biden-offers-theories-minority-vaccination-rates-r/
“There’s a reason why it’s been harder to get African-Americans initially to get vaccinated, because they used to be experimented on, the Tuskegee Airmen and others,” he said, as shown in viral video clips. “People have memories. People have long memories.”
If people who have been vaccinated start dropping off like flies, the lawsuits will put these manufacturers out of business.
The reason that vaccines normally take so long to get to market isn't the testing for long term effects. The phase 1-3 tests were done in less than a year as opposed to up to 17 years on a normal vaccine development, and they started to develop the factories and shipping aspects at the same time they started the drug development primarily because they threw money at it rather than keeping costs to a minimum to ensure maximum profitability. This simultaneous approach reducing the time to develop significantly. This is informative and talks about the desire to have speed to helpthis is also good to explain the differences in development time https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline
Let me ask this. How badare the vaccines iswas AIDS if someone like prime is still alive? Wouldn't a vaccine with long term side effects be extremely harmful to a man in his late 70's who was a shut in for the last year?
Amazes me how the Chinese are getting away with fuckery with no worldwide fines and sanctions
Good post, the manufacturers can't be sued for any averse effects so puts them in a win win position.This is the biggest problem I see with company’s mandating vaccines for employment a hospital already fired people for no vaccination and San Francisco is already talking about them being mandatory for city employees shouldn’t happen if at all till they are fully approved imho
The reason that vaccines normally take so long to get to market isn't the testing for long term effects. The phase 1-3 tests were done in less than a year as opposed to up to 17 years on a normal vaccine development, and they started to develop the factories and shipping aspects at the same time they started the drug development primarily because they threw money at it rather than keeping costs to a minimum to ensure maximum profitability. This simultaneous approach reducing the time to develop significantly. This is informative and talks about the desire to have speed to helpthis is also good to explain the differences in development time https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline
Each and every sheep could drop tomorrow and not one lawsuit could proceed.
Hope this helps.
Still not vaccinated.
My employer commented that they "may" require it in order for us to travel across state lines.
I commented that i've been to 7 different states and boarded 30 different flights in the last year.
Also, i've been to Mexico a dozen times in the last year.
They can pound sand.
States are opening back up while only ~50% of the people are vaccinated.
Here in NM Covid has basically disappeared completely, hospitals are now being flooded with people who bypassed surgeries and treatments.
Some of you experts are terrible at math.
Live your life how you see fit. I don't tell people what to do and don't expect to be told either.
Prime, there won’t be any lawsuits because the manufacturers have been given full indemnity. And when Australians here take a Covid vaccine, they sign a waiver to say they know the risks and the government here is not held accountable. I dare say it’s the same or similar world wide. I know that in the USA they are wanting vaccine passports to travel. Here in Australia, getting vaccinated offers no difference as even fully vaccinated you can’t travel and must endure lockdowns etc. So that means that a fully vaccinated person who wishes to enter Australia, must still go into quarantine for 14 days at your own expense…. Same as an unvaccinated. The reason for this is because you can still transmit the virus.
I am not a virologist etc… I am an average person. But seeing what’s happening in regards to blood clots, myocarditis, strange heavy periods etc and then hearing from the inventor of the MRNA vaccine, that the spike protein breaks off and travels through the blood after 4 hours of being injected into the deltoid is enough to know that these vaccines are going to cause more harm down the line.
Still not vaccinated.
My employer commented that they "may" require it in order for us to travel across state lines.
I commented that i've been to 7 different states and boarded 30 different flights in the last year.
Also, i've been to Mexico a dozen times in the last year.
They can pound sand.
States are opening back up while only ~50% of the people are vaccinated.
Here in NM Covid has basically disappeared completely, hospitals are now being flooded with people who bypassed surgeries and treatments.
Some of you experts are terrible at math.
Live your life how you see fit. I don't tell people what to do and don't expect to be told either.
Still not vaccinated.
My employer commented that they "may" require it in order for us to travel across state lines.
I commented that i've been to 7 different states and boarded 30 different flights in the last year.
Also, i've been to Mexico a dozen times in the last year.
They can pound sand.
States are opening back up while only ~50% of the people are vaccinated.
Here in NM Covid has basically disappeared completely, hospitals are now being flooded with people who bypassed surgeries and treatments.
Some of you experts are terrible at math.
Live your life how you see fit. I don't tell people what to do and don't expect to be told either.
Do you realize that the above bolded sentences are doing exactly what they say not to do, which is telling others how to live their lives. ;)
I checked out what you posted about the manufacturers having full indemnity and essentially you are right. Only if willful negligence or intentional deception can they be held liable. Never-the-less, it is in their best interests insure that the vaccines are safe because if lots of folks get sick from them, it would jeopardize their reputation which could seriously affect their sales.
Had I known that suing the manufacturers would be next to impossible, I still would have chosen to be vaccinated. I have no regrets now and I hope never will.
As of June 26th 87 countries remain closed, while 126 are open with restrictions and 9 countries are open with no restrictions. In the U.S. restrictions vary by state. Oregon still requires folks be quarantined. Most states have no restriction with regards to travel.
Oregon's governor announced that as of June 30th most restrictions will be lifted and we will be back to business as usual. We are less than 1% shy of the goal of 70% vaccinated. Most likely, this means no masks required while shopping.
Do you realize that the above bolded sentences are doing exactly what they say not to do, which is telling others how to live their lives. ;)
The nature of the mechanism through which these “vaccines” work means the negative repercussions likely won’t fully materialize for quite some time and then in ways next to impossible to prove linkage.
The pathways will be too convoluted and too then-to-then-to-then.
It’s essentially a bio-weapon with a built-in cover-its-tracks design.
But a man or woman can do what he/she likes. In this way, I am not an anti-vaxxer.
Nor am I an anti-masker.
Do what you want. Have a syringe loaded with experimental juice shot into your arm. Wear a mask. Wear a welding helmet.
Bath in sanitizer.
Just don’t pester me with your cowardice and non-reliance on your own immune system.
My body, my choice. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I had the vaccine, knowing what I know about them. The regulators and doctors know that there’s no way to know the long term sides because they test for auto immune diseases and cancers for 3 years in animals prior to giving to humans. The vaccinated are the animals.
At this point, I'm supportive of your position. The statistics show people getting hospitalized for Covid now are far and away unvaccinated. While I think they're stupid, I also support their right to be stupid since I don't see it impacting me now that I am vaccinated.It’s nothing to do with smart versus stupid. Unfortunately it comes down to circumstances, timing of when vaccines were given out etc. The information and health advice is always evolving.
Your live and let live approach works great right up to the point where you say "Do what you want." and then it completely fails when you proceed to ridicule anyone who doesn't make the choice you did.
My girl works at an aged care facility. The residents were recently vaccinated en masse. She noted a big increase in problems in the days following, including heart attacks, falls from people who walked well before, people's hands shaking so they couldn't hold a drink who never had shakey hands before, etc. No follow up. No "Hey, maybe" discussions.
Yes, this is anecdote, not evidence. Just like my family members' stories of a rough post-vaccination period are anecdotal. But I am not sold on this product. I don't see a culture of honest inquiry regarding it. I don't believe we're getting an accurate reporting of side effects, the mention of which is a bit taboo. I don't see open and unbiased discussion of alternative treatments and prophylactics like ivermectin. And I'm seeing socialeering and strong-arm tactics to increase adoption.
Would you buy a car with this commercial? My confidence is uninspired.
My girl works at an aged care facility. The residents were recently vaccinated en masse. She noted a big increase in problems in the days following, including heart attacks, falls from people who walked well before, people's hands shaking so they couldn't hold a drink who never had shakey hands before, etc. No follow up. No "Hey, maybe" discussions.Good post. There are 308 deaths recorded on the tga.gov.au here however only 2 deaths have supposedly been linked to the vaccines. People are reporting serious and life changing side affects and are being told it can’t be the vaccine because it’s safe. If you question the safety of the vaccines, you are seen as crazy and a conspiracist. Ivermectin isn’t being advocated because there isn’t any money to be made.
Yes, this is anecdote, not evidence. Just like my family members' stories of a rough post-vaccination period are anecdotal. But I am not sold on this product. I don't see a culture of honest inquiry regarding it. I don't believe we're getting an accurate reporting of side effects, the mention of which is a bit taboo. I don't see open and unbiased discussion of alternative treatments and prophylactics like ivermectin. And I'm seeing socialeering and strong-arm tactics to increase adoption.
Would you buy a car with this commercial? My confidence is uninspired.
Getting conflicting stories on this one. NC State baseball team can't advance b.c 2 asymptomatic non-vaccinated players test positive but Vandy had a least 4 vaccinated asymptomatic players with positive tests. Did the non-vaccinated players have one less antibody and T-Cell than the vaccinated players? What kind of bullshit is this?They punish those who don't comply.
They punish those who don't comply.
It's not man-made, gone through normal sequence spacing (variant fear-mongering bullshit they keep putting out in the media) in the lab. There are genetic alterations that chinks made during the maturation process. Too many generations have passed for them to locate the makers similar to how they determined the viral generation which made its' way from Germany - NY.
It is absolutely man made or well man tweaked and strengthened and that is the problem they strengthened it in the lab it is just going to keep mutating and getting stronger. This is not a normal virus it will mutate and spread faster than we can put out vaccines there will be 20 different strains floating around in a few years
At this point, I'm supportive of your position. The statistics show people getting hospitalized for Covid now are far and away unvaccinated. While I think they're stupid, I also support their right to be stupid since I don't see it impacting me now that I am vaccinated.
How? My ridiculing doesn’t affect your choice being your choice. You doing what you want.
In some of your posts, you suggest those us choosing to not be injected are “stupid”.
It’s your opinion (“ridiculing”, also).
Have at it.
I’ll do what I choose.
See?
wooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Same people who sell the fear.... sell the pill
Covid vaccine profits mint 9 new pharma billionaires
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html
Ah, it's all making sense now. Perhaps this is the reason this vaccine is being pushed so hard for a virus that is highly ttreatable without the vaccine?
Calling something that doesn't prevent you from getting the virus is a stretch, but this information regarding billionaires is interesting.
Does anyone get the impression in these pharmaceutical companies are shady?
I do not believe I used the term stupid. I might have suggested they were uninformed, but that doesn't IMO mean stupid. What the writer intends and how the reader takes what is written don't necessarily concur.
You ABSOLUTELY DID use the word “stupid”.
Of course, you’ve also deleted the posts from the previous page in which you used the word.
Coward. Hypocrite.
I have not deleted any post relating to vaccine or COVID. But it is convenient for you to try and cover your ass by saying I did. FYI, your memory is failing you or you are....never mind, I am not going to stoop to calling you names over this nonsense.
Where's Adolph when we need him?Bro...
Amazes me how the Chinese are getting away with fuckery with no worldwide fines and sanctions
I commented that i've been to 7 different states and boarded 30 different flights in the last year.
Also, i've been to Mexico a dozen times in the last year.
Prime, there won’t be any lawsuits because the manufacturers have been given full indemnity. And when Australians here take a Covid vaccine, they sign a waiver to say they know the risks and the government here is not held accountable. I dare say it’s the same or similar world wide. I know that in the USA they are wanting vaccine passports to travel. Here in Australia, getting vaccinated offers no difference as even fully vaccinated you can’t travel and must endure lockdowns etc. So that means that a fully vaccinated person who wishes to enter Australia, must still go into quarantine for 14 days at your own expense…. Same as an unvaccinated. The reason for this is because you can still transmit the virus.
I am not a virologist etc… I am an average person. But seeing what’s happening in regards to blood clots, myocarditis, strange heavy periods etc and then hearing from the inventor of the MRNA vaccine, that the spike protein breaks off and travels through the blood after 4 hours of being injected into the deltoid is enough to know that these vaccines are going to cause more harm down the line.
That they had governments around the world as guaranteed customers seems like a pretty good business model for profitability to me.
Thank you. This is good information to know.
After reading Booty's reply to me yesterday, I checked out if she was correct in that the COVID vaccine manufacturers are immune from being sued by people who develop bad side effects. She is right about this. However, if it can be proved they were negligent or intentionally hid information about the dangers of their vaccine, then they can still be sued. The problem is that negligence can be difficult to prove. Still, if these vaccines end up being harmful, the makers of the vaccine will still suffer from the bad publicity. What I found interesting is the FDA cannot be held liable. There are government programs in place that might help someone out who has a negative result, but accessing this help can be difficult, which is not surprising.
When I read the it is next to impossible to sue and there is little other recourse I started to second guess my own decision to get vaccinated. After thinking about it for a bit, I realized had I had this information, I still would have chosen to be vaccinated. I believe the risks of something going wrong with the vaccine are much less than the risk of getting COVID and becoming acutely ill as a result. My choice to have the vaccines stands.
For sales, not necessarily profitability
WTF!!! ??? Those kids can die as long as it's not Covid. Of course, it will be blamed on Covid even if they die of cancer.
Not to mention the increased possibility of the vaccine giving a terminally ill patient myocarditisVirtue signalling is more important.
Sounds brilliant.
>:(
https://twitter.com/Pelham_3/status/1407964106653536256
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Mankind needs a reckoning. This is an abomination. Children are defenseless. God equipped them with the most prolific immune on this earth. Why the fuck are they getting these vaccines?
The sales figures are so huge even if the profit margins are lower they’re still going to clean up:
The COVID vaccine is set to make up more than half of Pfizer’s 2021 revenue – Fortune
https://fortune.com/2021/05/04/covid-19-vaccine-pfizer-earnings-revenue/
Fucking Marks keep thinking of that if they’re just good boys and girls it will be over. Sorry kids.
AstraZeneca Booster Shot Lifts Immune Response, Study Finds
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/world/astrazeneca-vaccine-booster-shot.html
Getting the vaccine is the perfect equivalent of hiring a computer tech back in 1999 and spending $2,500 getting your computer ready for Y2K.
Meaningless shit. Did nothing. Pointless. Just made the nerd a few bucks.
How much did folks have to pay for the first two AstraZenica shots? Oh that's right, they paid nothing.
Who paid for it?
If the government, who funds the government?
I thought of that. Seems to me if there was no vaccine and COVID went unchecked, the number of people dying, requiring ICU or regular hospital stays, or even had a mild case that only cost them a week or two off work, the costs to taxpayers would be greater. Also, until your taxes are increased because of the vaccine, you've paid nothing. So, let's revisit this when the government wants to raise your taxes because of the vaccine expense.
Prime = Economic IlliterateDon’t forget coward and queer. He’s without a doubt the biggest pussy on getbig.
Do you believe big pharma should give their vaccine away for free? The Development, testing, manufacturing and distribution of these vaccines cost plenty. If it makes for half of Pfizer's revenue, that makes sense. This may be the most widely used vaccine in the history of vaccines, including smallpox and diphtheria.
One thing, operation warp speed funded $18 billion for the development of these vaccines...
Do you think it's a bit fishy that the pharmaceutical companies are keeping the profits from the sales of these vaccines the government paid for?
Nothing to see here, right?
Whatever you say. ::)
At least you tried. Remember, defeat is not the worst of failures. Not having tried is the true failure.
Whatever you say. ::)
See, I told ya you should take them all on a revolving basis, remember?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/third-astrazeneca-covid-shot-can-be-effective-booster-study-shows-11624896656
Alternating a dose of Covid-19 vaccine made byPfizer Inc. with one from AstraZeneca PLC is safe and provides a strong immune response against the disease, a new study shows.
Dr. Francis Christian, for being in favor of informed consent and agreeing with the WHO's statement that children should not be vaccinated, has been railroaded out of a job and told that he's in need of psychological help.
The audio starts at about 4:50. This is the sound of silencing.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rv1galfv8npa3g/2021-06-23_08-26-55.wav?dl=0
‘Bringing back mask mandate is a good idea’: a doctor on Delta variant
Fully vaccinated people are getting sick!
Fuboi Rushed Vaccines! Actually, experimental compounds because they are still in phase testing. ::)
Oh, they let the 4 fully vaccinated virus-carrying Vanderbilt players continue in the CWS. No way they could make someone sick. ::)
I love how all of these articles on CNN and other Libby network's are all filled with 'experts' and sources. Very little if this is coming from the CDC.
My girl works at an aged care facility. The residents were recently vaccinated en masse. She noted a big increase in problems in the days following, including heart attacks, falls from people who walked well before, people's hands shaking so they couldn't hold a drink who never had shakey hands before, etc. No follow up. No "Hey, maybe" discussions.
Yes, this is anecdote, not evidence. Just like my family members' stories of a rough post-vaccination period are anecdotal. But I am not sold on this product. I don't see a culture of honest inquiry regarding it. I don't believe we're getting an accurate reporting of side effects, the mention of which is a bit taboo. I don't see open and unbiased discussion of alternative treatments and prophylactics like ivermectin. And I'm seeing socialeering and strong-arm tactics to increase adoption.
Would you buy a car with this commercial? My confidence is uninspired.
How much did folks have to pay for the first two AstraZenica shots? Oh that's right, they paid nothing.
And the Australian Government has just mandated vaccination for all aged care workers as of mid September.
Oh FFS! What she gonna do?
The richest fuck5 in the world are funding this plandemic. Anybody in the medical field that speaks against it and/or doesn’t support the vacc1nes gets censored and sacked. A couple of days ago they fired the dean of a university in Croatia for publicly telling the facts about how many people either got injured or died from the jab.
So, here we are. It is June 30th and in Oregon this means the mask mandate has been lifted in all but the Federal ones, which are in travel and medical situations. Here's the catch. Individual businesses can still mandate masks be worn. But then, technically they've always been able to do this, long before anyone ever heard of COVID. I haven't been out yet today, so I don't know if the places I shop have dropped the mask requirement.
I think this means businesses can operate at the same level as they did prior to Covid. This translates to longer hours of operation and social distancing requirements. Bar and counter seating should again be available.
Depends where you live. In California it appears they may be going back to enforcing masks for everyone, including those vaccinated due to the delta variant.Always thought Cali would be the place to live one day. At this point in my life I wouldn’t step foot there.
California is a SHITSHOW though when things are not truly open.
Depends where you live. In California it appears they may be going back to enforcing masks for everyone, including those vaccinated due to the delta variant.
California is a SHITSHOW though and things are not truly open.
This is a bit of a surprise. I'm under the impression that Californians have been really vocal about not liking the restrictions. If they are reimposed, Newsom will most likely be voted out.
His recall election officially begun.... hopefully he's out soon. I know it may not make a huge difference for the State of California immediately, but I'd like to see that bastard never succeed politically. If he's recalled that's at least a fat blemish on his record.
If I were you, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
As of June 24th, according to Newsweek, the odds of Newsom not being recalled have shortened from 1/8 to 1/10—meaning they deem it increasingly likely Newsom will survive the vote and retain his position.
It is interesting to note that the recall petition was introduced in February 2020. Initially the petition's grievances had nothing to do with his handling of the pandemic. Immigration to homelessness to property taxes were the issues.
I'm not sure I believe any odds/estimates at this point. We're dealing with the same thing we didn during the last presidential election. Lots of silent people here. Just like with Trump, many didn't feel comfortable talking poorly about Newsom.
Good point. In any election or recall anything can happen. As for poles, they can certainly be inaccurate. Many people when asked how they voted on an issue or for one candidate over another will respond either politely or impolitely tell you that it is their business which they choose not to share.
Polls old man. Polls. ;D
In Australia, even if you are fully vaccinated and test negative to Covid multiple times, you still have to do 14 days hotel quarantine. There was a woman who travelled from the USA 11 days ago to see her dying Dad. He passed away today while she was in hotel quarantine. She had applied for an exemption but it was denied. It’s absolutely disgusting and shows no heart from our government.
Thanks....guess I can't blame spell check or like Coach, blame voice to text, huh? :-[
In Australia, even if you are fully vaccinated and test negative to Covid multiple times, you still have to do 14 days hotel quarantine. There was a woman who travelled from the USA 11 days ago to see her dying Dad. He passed away today while she was in hotel quarantine. She had applied for an exemption but it was denied. It’s absolutely disgusting and shows no heart from our government.Covid will hit Australia sooner or later, all thats happening is they are prolonging the inevitable.
Covid will hit Australia sooner or later, all thats happening is they are prolonging the inevitable.
Probably has to go through a police checkpoint to get on the chairlift.
I think you're right but there has been some really unusual differences here. A guy with the UK supercontagion failed to infect anyone over a period of about 10 days, including uber drivers and his housemates.
I've never heard an explanation of how that could be. It's surprising that the lack of spread isn't being examined, or maybe not since it wouldn't serve the vaccination push well. My only hypothesis is that UV is higher without an ozone layer and the place is sunny as hell and full of light skinned people, so it might top the charts for vitamin D. It definitely has nothing to do with Aussies being healthy or in shape.
Just like AIDS back in the 80s. Big Pharma had the poor Booty Bandits on 20 different drugs, only this time there’s a much bigger market.
Mixing Covid jabs has good immune response, study finds - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636356
Just like AIDS back in the 80s. Big Pharma had the poor Booty Bandits on 20 different drugs, only this time there’s a much bigger market.
Mixing Covid jabs has good immune response, study finds - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636356 (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636356)
Kvnt ^^I watched the full 3 hour video. It was brilliant. YouTube deleted it now due to censoring but you can find it on Odysee. Just follow dark horse or Bret Weinstein for anyone interested.
Spike protein is very dangerous
Covid will hit Australia sooner or later, all thats happening is they are prolonging the inevitable.Yes we are on borrowed time. The government plan to cut in half the travellers entering Australia. So in other words make this country even more of a fortress. The delta variant has seeded out all the country. Half is in lockdown. It’s really growing in Sydney. In my state which is referred to as sunny Queensland, the cases have dropped and they are ending lockdown for Townsville and magnetic island and the other south eastern areas apart from Brisbane. At any given time we can get a few hours notice and go into lockdown. Many are beyond over this strategy 18 months in.
Yes we are on borrowed time. The government plan to cut in half the travellers entering Australia. So in other words make this country even more of a fortress. The delta variant has seeded out all the country. Half is in lockdown. It’s really growing in Sydney. In my state which is referred to as sunny Queensland, the cases have dropped and they are ending lockdown for Townsville and magnetic island and the other south eastern areas apart from Brisbane. At any given time we can get a few hours notice and go into lockdown. Many are beyond over this strategy 18 months in.
Before COVID, in 2019, tourism in Australia accounted for 3.1% of the national GDP, contributing $60.8 billion to the Australian economy. Look out for an economic downturn on top of whatever has already happened with lock-downs.
Oregon became mostly restriction free today. People were out and about everywhere I went. Most of them were not wearing masks. A local restaurant was packed with people waiting to be seated at 5:00 pm. It is going to be a wild 4th of July weekend, minus any fireworks, which were banned because of the three days of blazing hell temperatures, 117°F or 47°C that literally turned vegetation into a giant dried flower arrangement waiting for a match to blow it up.
The death toll from the those days is currently around 80 people and counting. Heat, like COVID takes out the weak and underprivileged. I just read were a few of those deaths were homeless people. Most were old folks with no air-conditioning or fans. One such person, a woman in her 80's lived in a mobile home. That would be like getting cooked alive inside a tin can.
At least 30,000 years people did just fine without AC there Googlemaster. 70+ and still amazed by....hot weather...the new Covid. ::)
How do you know people did just fine without AC? Maybe, hoards of people died when there was a heatwave of this magnitude? Are you saying life was great 30,000 years ago when the death rate was who knows how much greater than it is today?
I'm with you, let's return to living in caves and using crude tools at an attempt to survive to the ripe old age of maybe 30 if you were one of the lucky ones. Many never made it past infancy. One other thing, back then I am pretty sure there were no vaccines for people to grouse about. So there's that. ::) And even worse.....there was no Google. ;D ;D ;D
On the plus side: you would be dead
How do you know people did just fine without AC? Maybe, hoards of people died when there was a heatwave of this magnitude? Are you saying life was great 30,000 years ago when the death rate was who knows how much greater than it is today?We lived fine without air con here in Australia in the 80’s and 90’s. Admittedly you became grumpy and would argue with your family, but nobody died. You need to drink plenty of cold water and wear breathable material clothing. I would even train in the hot humid summers in a gym with no air con. But we had fans and the sides of the walls would open up. You would be drenched from sweating.
I'm with you, let's return to living in caves and using crude tools at an attempt to survive to the ripe old age of maybe 30 if you were one of the lucky ones. Many never made it past infancy. One other thing, back then I am pretty sure there were no vaccines for people to grouse about. So there's that. ::) And even worse.....there was no Google. ;D ;D ;D
Before COVID, in 2019, tourism in Australia accounted for 3.1% of the national GDP, contributing $60.8 billion to the Australian economy. Look out for an economic downturn on top of whatever has already happened with lock-downs.Our tourism industry is suffering without international tourists. I think the government is happy though because Aussies are spending money in Australia rather than overseas. I do agree though in that we will have a huge economic downturn especially with constant lockdowns. Sydney is probably going to be extended past their 2 week lockdown. It’s not looking too good. Where I am, some areas came out of lockdown except for Brisbane.
Oregon became mostly restriction free today. People were out and about everywhere I went. Most of them were not wearing masks. A local restaurant was packed with people waiting to be seated at 5:00 pm. It is going to be a wild 4th of July weekend, minus any fireworks, which were banned because of the three days of blazing hell temperatures, 117°F or 47°C that literally turned vegetation into a giant dried flower arrangement waiting for a match to blow it up.
The death toll from the those days is currently around 80 people and counting. Heat, like COVID takes out the weak and underprivileged. I just read were a few of those deaths were homeless people. Most were old folks with no air-conditioning or fans. One such person, a woman in her 80's lived in a mobile home. That would be like getting cooked alive inside a tin can.
Mixing Covid jabs
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636356
How do you know people did just fine without AC? Maybe, hoards of people died when there was a heatwave of this magnitude? Are you saying life was great 30,000 years ago when the death rate was who knows how much greater than it is today?
I'm with you, let's return to living in caves and using crude tools at an attempt to survive to the ripe old age of maybe 30 if you were one of the lucky ones. Many never made it past infancy. One other thing, back then I am pretty sure there were no vaccines for people to grouse about. So there's that. ::) And even worse.....there was no Google. ;D ;D ;D